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(Boing Boing)   US veterans on Ferguson Police Department's response:"We didn't wear that much gear when we went through the really bad areas of Afghanistan. That's not controlling the crowd, that's intimidating them"   (boingboing.net) divider line 306
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2014-08-14 08:24:12 PM
bookwag.com

And now that the thugs have been pulled from the streets and replaced by cops who aren't in riot gear and acting agressively , the mood has changed...imagine that
 
2014-08-14 08:30:45 PM
Ferguson vs Iraq:
rack.3.mshcdn.com
They didn't wear gas masks and point guns at the faces of civilians walking down the sidewalk in Iraq either.
 
2014-08-14 08:41:46 PM
When I was in the Air Force Law Enforcement K9, I wore camo BDU's day to day.  Yet, when we trained for or actually did riot control, we all wore our AF Blues.  Why?  Because camo looked aggressive, and escalated the problem.  And, dog were NEVER on the line, they were always out of sight.  The only time they would be used was to rescue a down officer or in the event of a full break through.  The entire mindset was de-escalation and compromise.  Unless there was an immediate threat to life or nuclear weapons (obviously) force was not an option.

Admittedly this was in the 80's and 90's, before this new Kill 'Em All Let God Sort 'Em Out Law Enforcement method became popular.  Gotta love this new Murca.
 
2014-08-14 08:43:58 PM
Intimidation as a police tactic? Say it isn't so...

Yeah, these yahoos screwed the pooch on this, and now they're just digging in deeper to try to cover their asses. But then again, it's Mizzoura, so crazy is only a step or two away. I'm surprised that Kansas cities haven't offered up folks to "help"...
 
2014-08-14 09:02:32 PM
I think St. Louis is gearing up for another night of it tonight.

The governor has announced that the state police (called the Highway Patrol around here) will be taking over security. I guess that's good. The Ferguson and St. Louis County Police seem to the problem with the aggressive "crowd control".

Also, the Feds are spinning up their own investigation (although I guess that's sorta old news).

/In St. Louis
//Miles from Ferguson
 
2014-08-14 09:09:51 PM
pbs.twimg.com


Dude, I support your cause, but PLEASE for the love of god, shave off that dick tickler before you don the uniform.
 
2014-08-14 09:12:19 PM

Uncle Eazy: I think St. Louis is gearing up for another night of it tonight.

The governor has announced that the state police (called the Highway Patrol around here) will be taking over security. I guess that's good. The Ferguson and St. Louis County Police seem to the problem with the aggressive "crowd control".

Also, the Feds are spinning up their own investigation (although I guess that's sorta old news).

/In St. Louis
//Miles from Ferguson


I enjoyed how Obama called out all the bad apples down there: The looters, the agitators, the cops, the militarization show of force, everything. Then dropped the bomb with: "FBIzzle and DOJezzy, in da hood, foos!" before ending the the briefing. Seriously, how bad did the cop that shot Nike Brown shiat himself when he found out Obama unleashed the Federal Kraken on the investigation?
 
2014-08-14 09:13:33 PM

Ennuipoet: When I was in the Air Force Law Enforcement K9, I wore camo BDU's day to day.  Yet, when we trained for or actually did riot control, we all wore our AF Blues.  Why?  Because camo looked aggressive, and escalated the problem.  And, dog were NEVER on the line, they were always out of sight.  The only time they would be used was to rescue a down officer or in the event of a full break through.  The entire mindset was de-escalation and compromise.  Unless there was an immediate threat to life or nuclear weapons (obviously) force was not an option.

Admittedly this was in the 80's and 90's, before this new Kill 'Em All Let God Sort 'Em Out Law Enforcement method became popular.  Gotta love this new Murca.


De-escalation is SOP in any sane force, they even keep the riot cops completely out of sight unless they're needed because just the sight of them can be cause aggression.
 
2014-08-14 09:17:48 PM

Barfmaker: Ennuipoet: When I was in the Air Force Law Enforcement K9, I wore camo BDU's day to day.  Yet, when we trained for or actually did riot control, we all wore our AF Blues.  Why?  Because camo looked aggressive, and escalated the problem.  And, dog were NEVER on the line, they were always out of sight.  The only time they would be used was to rescue a down officer or in the event of a full break through.  The entire mindset was de-escalation and compromise.  Unless there was an immediate threat to life or nuclear weapons (obviously) force was not an option.

Admittedly this was in the 80's and 90's, before this new Kill 'Em All Let God Sort 'Em Out Law Enforcement method became popular.  Gotta love this new Murca.

De-escalation is SOP in any sane force, they even keep the riot cops completely out of sight unless they're needed because just the sight of them can be cause aggression.


Police Mentality is NOT to be coercive to the Public, the Public bow down to THEM. They will also do whatever the fark they like, you know, like killing black teenagers, because they think they can get away with it.

This whole exercise, post murder, was nothing more than them playing dress up and pulling out all their toys. It's like a man in a mid-life crisis, buying a Harley and every goddang piece of leather the store owns trying to look the part. This whole Police Department wanted nothing more than to use every device and weapon they did, and I guarantee they'll be talking about it for years, some wistfully speaking that they didn't get to 'return fire' with the big guns because no one took a shot at them before departing into a masturbatorial monologue of how they would have handled it.
 
2014-08-14 09:44:25 PM
Once again I'd like to recommend this:

www.aclu-il.org

if you want to know exactly how we got to this point.
 
2014-08-14 10:07:35 PM

Uncle Eazy: I think St. Louis is gearing up for another night of it tonight.

The governor has announced that the state police (called the Highway Patrol around here) will be taking over security. I guess that's good. The Ferguson and St. Louis County Police seem to the problem with the aggressive "crowd control".

Also, the Feds are spinning up their own investigation (although I guess that's sorta old news).

/In St. Louis
//Miles from Ferguson


People are posting selfies with state troopers on Instagram tonight. Said state cops are walking around among the protestors wearing regular uniforms.

Right now it looks like a magnificent 'fark you' towards the regular police.
 
2014-08-14 10:09:30 PM
 
2014-08-14 10:36:56 PM

costermonger: Right now it looks like a magnificent 'fark you' towards the regular police.


Have you seen the demographics of their arrest records? Blacks are 40 times more likely to get arrested than a white man, even though they make up half the number in population of the whites in the town.

92.8% of arrests are blacks.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2014-08-14 10:38:24 PM

hubiestubert: Intimidation as a police tactic? Say it isn't so...

Yeah, these yahoos screwed the pooch on this, and now they're just digging in deeper to try to cover their asses. But then again, it's Mizzoura, so crazy is only a step or two away. I'm surprised that Kansas cities haven't offered up folks to "help"...


If there's anything all sides in Missouri agree upon, it's that no one wants unwashed Kansas trailer trash coming here.
 
2014-08-14 10:39:21 PM
Anybody who is a cop in the US today is a traitor. In every sense of the word. And should be treated like one. Arrest. Trial. Conviction. Sentencing. Death.
 
2014-08-14 10:41:13 PM

DrPainMD: Anybody who is a cop in the US today is a traitor. In every sense of the word. And should be treated like one. Arrest. Trial. Conviction. Sentencing. Death.


i29.photobucket.com
 
2014-08-14 11:01:08 PM
Brown's body lay in the street for hours before anyone bothered to remove it. That seems very much like a message to the neighborhood, designed to intimidate.
 
2014-08-14 11:02:36 PM
One of those quotes gave me pause. Took me a minute but realized I went through AIT with the veteran quoted.

/small world, no paint
 
2014-08-14 11:02:45 PM

Uncle Eazy: I think St. Louis is gearing up for another night of it tonight.

The governor has announced that the state police (called the Highway Patrol around here) will be taking over security. I guess that's good. The Ferguson and St. Louis County Police seem to the problem with the aggressive "crowd control".

Also, the Feds are spinning up their own investigation (although I guess that's sorta old news).

/In St. Louis
//Miles from Ferguson


Actually, it's 10:00PM and so far all the protests have been peaceful. They're employing a radically different policing tactic tonight, the person in charge (part of the Highway Patrol) is actually from the area around Ferguson, the police have stepped in with an attitude of compromise rather than suppression, and the people are reacting well to that.
 
2014-08-14 11:04:29 PM

Fubini: Uncle Eazy: I think St. Louis is gearing up for another night of it tonight.

The governor has announced that the state police (called the Highway Patrol around here) will be taking over security. I guess that's good. The Ferguson and St. Louis County Police seem to the problem with the aggressive "crowd control".

Also, the Feds are spinning up their own investigation (although I guess that's sorta old news).

/In St. Louis
//Miles from Ferguson

Actually, it's 10:00PM and so far all the protests have been peaceful. They're employing a radically different policing tactic tonight, the person in charge (part of the Highway Patrol) is actually from the area around Ferguson, the police have stepped in with an attitude of compromise rather than suppression, and the people are reacting well to that.


Well, holy farking shiat, if I were more surprised I'd die from hyperbole.
 
2014-08-14 11:05:35 PM

Fubini: Uncle Eazy: I think St. Louis is gearing up for another night of it tonight.

The governor has announced that the state police (called the Highway Patrol around here) will be taking over security. I guess that's good. The Ferguson and St. Louis County Police seem to the problem with the aggressive "crowd control".

Also, the Feds are spinning up their own investigation (although I guess that's sorta old news).

/In St. Louis
//Miles from Ferguson

Actually, it's 10:00PM and so far all the protests have been peaceful. They're employing a radically different policing tactic tonight, the person in charge (part of the Highway Patrol) is actually from the area around Ferguson, the police have stepped in with an attitude of compromise rather than suppression, and the people are reacting well to that.


Imagine that! Let the people assemble, air their grievances, don't shoot rubber bullets, tear gas or release the hounds. Give them a platform to address wrongs (real or perceived) and (I know this is crazy, but here me out), they may stay peacful.
 
2014-08-14 11:05:46 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: costermonger: Right now it looks like a magnificent 'fark you' towards the regular police.

Have you seen the demographics of their arrest records? Blacks are 40 times more likely to get arrested than a white man, even though they make up half the number in population of the whites in the town.

92.8% of arrests are blacks.


Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't racial profiling an issue in NYC?  If I remember correctly it's given a nod.
 
2014-08-14 11:05:58 PM

Walker: Ferguson vs Iraq:
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They didn't wear gas masks and point guns at the faces of civilians walking down the sidewalk in Iraq either.


The left image always farking bothers me. Guns shouldn't be pointed up to someone unless they're armed and dangerous. Guy has his hands in the air and both are empty of anything. How can people defend these guys?
 
2014-08-14 11:06:24 PM

Fishmongers' Daughters: Brown's body lay in the street for hours before anyone bothered to remove it. That seems very much like a message to the neighborhood, designed to intimidate.


Farked up.

Road kill gets removed quicker.
 
2014-08-14 11:06:57 PM

kendelrio: Fubini: Uncle Eazy: I think St. Louis is gearing up for another night of it tonight.

The governor has announced that the state police (called the Highway Patrol around here) will be taking over security. I guess that's good. The Ferguson and St. Louis County Police seem to the problem with the aggressive "crowd control".

Also, the Feds are spinning up their own investigation (although I guess that's sorta old news).

/In St. Louis
//Miles from Ferguson

Actually, it's 10:00PM and so far all the protests have been peaceful. They're employing a radically different policing tactic tonight, the person in charge (part of the Highway Patrol) is actually from the area around Ferguson, the police have stepped in with an attitude of compromise rather than suppression, and the people are reacting well to that.

Imagine that! Let the people assemble, air their grievances, don't shoot rubber bullets, tear gas or release the hounds. Give them a platform to address wrongs (real or perceived) and (I know this is crazy, but here me out), they may stay peacful.



Whaaat?  Just who do you think you are, an American?

/sorry for your grief
//no really I am, damn upsetting
 
2014-08-14 11:07:01 PM

Fishmongers' Daughters: Brown's body lay in the street for hours before anyone bothered to remove it. That seems very much like a message to the neighborhood, designed to intimidate.


Didn't even bother to call EMS, cover him with a sheet or call the coroner to get him out of there.
 
2014-08-14 11:08:00 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: costermonger: Right now it looks like a magnificent 'fark you' towards the regular police.

Have you seen the demographics of their arrest records? Blacks are 40 times more likely to get arrested than a white man, even though they make up half the number in population of the whites in the town.

92.8% of arrests are blacks.



What town are you talking about?

"Blacks make up 65% of Ferguson's population, yet they accounted for 86% of traffic stops, 93% of arrests after stops and 92% of searches after stops in the city last year, according to a racial profiling report by the Missouri attorney general.
When stopped by police, blacks in Ferguson were twice as likely as whites to be arrested -- even though police found contraband for 34% of whites they stopped and searched, versus 22% of blacks -- said Scott Decker, a criminologist on a team contracted by the attorney general's office to compile the data."
Source:  http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-michael-brown-fergus o n-missouri-shooting-20140811-story.html
 
2014-08-14 11:08:11 PM

Walker: Ferguson vs Iraq:
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They didn't wear gas masks and point guns at the faces of civilians walking down the sidewalk in Iraq either.


Different scenarios.Cops deploy tear gas for crowd control, soldiers use Ma Deuces for CC. You bet your ass people had guns pointed at them.

Especially people with cell phones.


Our ROE was kill military aged males, armed or not for a bit.
 
2014-08-14 11:08:26 PM

Guilty_plea_bargain: Fishmongers' Daughters: Brown's body lay in the street for hours before anyone bothered to remove it. That seems very much like a message to the neighborhood, designed to intimidate.

Farked up.

Road kill gets removed quicker.


I cannot imagine my son laying there, cold, for that long.  I mean you just want to run up and hold your kid, regardless.  I think I'd lose my shiat.  The parents have handled it better than I would have.
 
2014-08-14 11:09:06 PM

Kygz: Fishmongers' Daughters: Brown's body lay in the street for hours before anyone bothered to remove it. That seems very much like a message to the neighborhood, designed to intimidate.

Didn't even bother to call EMS, cover him with a sheet or call the coroner to get him out of there.


There are a lot of standards that the cops broke on that day. I think we need to make a new Police Quest game. Those games punished you with a Game Over if you failed to follow police code.
 
2014-08-14 11:10:25 PM
And? Your point? Should the police project a sense of authority? if intimidating people planning on burning down my business, or looting it, causes them to go home or give up their plans, i have no problem with this. But beyond that factor, its protective gear. Seriously. People are throwing shiat at them. What do you expect them to wear? spandex? Get farking real. This is the gear that police wear in these types of situations. Sure, it may be a bit overboard, but hell, if people were lobbing shiat at me that could injure me, how could you blame a guy for protecting himself?
 
2014-08-14 11:10:28 PM
Whatever moron thought it was a good idea to give this crap to police should be arrested for inciting a riot and each riot where cops have this gear should tack on an additional charge.
 
2014-08-14 11:11:16 PM

Kygz: Fishmongers' Daughters: Brown's body lay in the street for hours before anyone bothered to remove it. That seems very much like a message to the neighborhood, designed to intimidate.

Didn't even bother to call EMS, cover him with a sheet or call the coroner to get him out of there.


Admittedly, I haven't read all the stories out there on this.  This is news to me, and leaves me with no wonder whatsoever as to why people would react the way they did.

I'm not condoning looting, but Christ, that has all the hallmarks of a mob hit.
 
2014-08-14 11:11:33 PM

Ennuipoet: When I was in the Air Force Law Enforcement K9, I wore camo BDU's day to day.  Yet, when we trained for or actually did riot control, we all wore our AF Blues.  Why?  Because camo looked aggressive, and escalated the problem.  And, dog were NEVER on the line, they were always out of sight.  The only time they would be used was to rescue a down officer or in the event of a full break through.  The entire mindset was de-escalation and compromise.  Unless there was an immediate threat to life or nuclear weapons (obviously) force was not an option.

Admittedly this was in the 80's and 90's, before this new Kill 'Em All Let God Sort 'Em Out Law Enforcement method became popular.  Gotta love this new Murca.


I have difficulty understanding Air Force and Riot Control. I don't mean to be obtuse, but when would that occur?
 
2014-08-14 11:11:50 PM

Fubini: Uncle Eazy: I think St. Louis is gearing up for another night of it tonight.

The governor has announced that the state police (called the Highway Patrol around here) will be taking over security. I guess that's good. The Ferguson and St. Louis County Police seem to the problem with the aggressive "crowd control".

Also, the Feds are spinning up their own investigation (although I guess that's sorta old news).

/In St. Louis
//Miles from Ferguson

Actually, it's 10:00PM and so far all the protests have been peaceful. They're employing a radically different policing tactic tonight, the person in charge (part of the Highway Patrol) is actually from the area around Ferguson, the police have stepped in with an attitude of compromise rather than suppression, and the people are reacting well to that.


Maybe the protesters learned their lesson from last night?
 
2014-08-14 11:11:59 PM

DrPainMD: Anybody who is a cop in the US today is a traitor. In every sense of the word. And should be treated like one. Arrest. Trial. Conviction. Sentencing. Death.


1/10, a bit obvious.  You would probably get more bites if you sounded a bit less retarded and more reasonable.
 
2014-08-14 11:12:08 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: And? Your point? Should the police project a sense of authority? if intimidating people planning on burning down my business, or looting it, causes them to go home or give up their plans, i have no problem with this. But beyond that factor, its protective gear. Seriously. People are throwing shiat at them. What do you expect them to wear? spandex? Get farking real. This is the gear that police wear in these types of situations. Sure, it may be a bit overboard, but hell, if people were lobbing shiat at me that could injure me, how could you blame a guy for protecting himself?


So you don't assess people by their attire whatsoever?  That's mighty progressive of you.
 
2014-08-14 11:13:01 PM
Considering Ferguson and St. Louis County are run by Democrats, I'm surprised the police force is so tone deaf. I'm also wondering why nobody is losing their shiat at the mayor and city council.
 
2014-08-14 11:13:41 PM

WizardofToast: Walker: Ferguson vs Iraq:
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They didn't wear gas masks and point guns at the faces of civilians walking down the sidewalk in Iraq either.

The left image always farking bothers me. Guns shouldn't be pointed up to someone unless they're armed and dangerous. Guy has his hands in the air and both are empty of anything. How can people defend these guys?


Those are responsible gun owners
 
2014-08-14 11:14:20 PM

kendelrio: Fubini: Uncle Eazy: I think St. Louis is gearing up for another night of it tonight.

The governor has announced that the state police (called the Highway Patrol around here) will be taking over security. I guess that's good. The Ferguson and St. Louis County Police seem to the problem with the aggressive "crowd control".

Also, the Feds are spinning up their own investigation (although I guess that's sorta old news).

/In St. Louis
//Miles from Ferguson

Actually, it's 10:00PM and so far all the protests have been peaceful. They're employing a radically different policing tactic tonight, the person in charge (part of the Highway Patrol) is actually from the area around Ferguson, the police have stepped in with an attitude of compromise rather than suppression, and the people are reacting well to that.

Imagine that! Let the people assemble, air their grievances, don't shoot rubber bullets, tear gas or release the hounds. Give them a platform to address wrongs (real or perceived) and (I know this is crazy, but here me out), they may stay peacful.


Just like it says they can in that Constitution thingie.
 
2014-08-14 11:14:28 PM
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Just so everyone knows, the cop in blue at center is the person in charge of the police presence tonight. The leftmost cop in white (no sunglasses) is the STL County Chief of Police, and if he had shown up like that last night or the night before, would have probably been dragged away to be tarred and feathered by the crowd.

Notice here that the cops have NOT ditched their equipment. There are still hundreds of riot cops waiting at a staging ground in full gear with armored vehicles, the difference is the attitude they're taking. The last three nights have seen the police behaving on the assumption that everyone is a violent looter, and that everyone must be dispersed in order for the peace to be maintained.

I think I called it the last couple of nights. There's a policing tactic in the St. Louis Loop area, which is a very busy night life area, where four or five cops basically hang out every city block. They chat with people occasionally, sometimes they take a trip up and down the block. The atmosphere at the Loop is incredibly relaxed yet everyone feels very safe. I really said that this is what they should have been doing all along.

That appears to be basically what they're doing tonight, plus some other nods towards keeping the protesters happy like setting up portable toilets on West Florissant. So far, it appears to be working.
 
2014-08-14 11:15:22 PM

WizardofToast: Walker: Ferguson vs Iraq:
[rack.3.mshcdn.com image 850x284]
They didn't wear gas masks and point guns at the faces of civilians walking down the sidewalk in Iraq either.

The left image always farking bothers me. Guns shouldn't be pointed up to someone unless they're armed and dangerous. Guy has his hands in the air and both are empty of anything. How can people defend these guys?


Puh-lease. A black man IS a weapon. Don't you watch football?
 
2014-08-14 11:15:43 PM

WizardofToast: Walker: Ferguson vs Iraq:
[rack.3.mshcdn.com image 850x284]
They didn't wear gas masks and point guns at the faces of civilians walking down the sidewalk in Iraq either.

The left image always farking bothers me. Guns shouldn't be pointed up to someone unless they're armed and dangerous. Guy has his hands in the air and both are empty of anything. How can people defend these guys?


/Seriously? Have you ever been a cop? Seen cops on tv? You keep a suspect under gunpoint until you have him in handcuffs.  (if the situation is such that you may think he is armed, don't know about the story behind that pic). There are many times i made a felony arrest, or had someone at gunpoint until the cuffs were put on them.  There is a reason you do that.  As i said, i don't know the story behind that pic, you could be totally right, or i could. Who knows?
 
2014-08-14 11:15:44 PM
kendelrio: Imagine that! Let the people assemble, air their grievances, don't shoot rubber bullets, tear gas or release the hounds. Give them a platform to address wrongs (real or perceived) and (I know this is crazy, but here me out), they may stay peacful.

But the conservative/authoritarian crowd on facebook assured me that "giving in to the thugs" would result in widespread violence tonight.  I don't understand...
 
2014-08-14 11:15:58 PM

Dr.Gonzo7719: Considering Ferguson and St. Louis County are run by Democrats, I'm surprised the police force is so tone deaf. I'm also wondering why nobody is losing their shiat at the mayor and city council.



They did, the police arrested an Alderman.  Wait...
 
2014-08-14 11:16:28 PM

Giltric: Maybe the protesters learned their lesson from last night?


I doubt it. The protesters gave better than they got last night.
 
2014-08-14 11:16:51 PM
i975.photobucket.com
 
2014-08-14 11:17:03 PM

kendelrio: Fubini: Uncle Eazy: I think St. Louis is gearing up for another night of it tonight.

The governor has announced that the state police (called the Highway Patrol around here) will be taking over security. I guess that's good. The Ferguson and St. Louis County Police seem to the problem with the aggressive "crowd control".

Also, the Feds are spinning up their own investigation (although I guess that's sorta old news).

/In St. Louis
//Miles from Ferguson

Actually, it's 10:00PM and so far all the protests have been peaceful. They're employing a radically different policing tactic tonight, the person in charge (part of the Highway Patrol) is actually from the area around Ferguson, the police have stepped in with an attitude of compromise rather than suppression, and the people are reacting well to that.

Imagine that! Let the people assemble, air their grievances, don't shoot rubber bullets, tear gas or release the hounds. Give them a platform to address wrongs (real or perceived) and (I know this is crazy, but here me out), they may stay peacful.


Treat 'em like civilized people, they'll behave like civilized people.
 
2014-08-14 11:17:22 PM

DrPainMD: Anybody who is a cop in the US today is a traitor. In every sense of the word. And should be treated like one. Arrest. Trial. Conviction. Sentencing. Death.


Obvious troll is obvious.
 
2014-08-14 11:17:43 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: And? Your point? Should the police project a sense of authority? if intimidating people planning on burning down my business, or looting it, causes them to go home or give up their plans, i have no problem with this. But beyond that factor, its protective gear. Seriously. People are throwing shiat at them. What do you expect them to wear? spandex? Get farking real. This is the gear that police wear in these types of situations. Sure, it may be a bit overboard, but hell, if people were lobbing shiat at me that could injure me, how could you blame a guy for protecting himself?


No, it's not the gear police normally wear in these situations, hence the outrage. Usually riot shields and tear gas, not full farking lets kill some Taliban gear.
 
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