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2014-08-14 05:40:53 PM  
While a dick move, they are well within the rights to remove the signs.
 
2014-08-14 05:54:33 PM  
websites that fail when you don't have javascript turned on make the baby jeebus cry
 
2014-08-14 05:57:56 PM  

dj_bigbird: websites that fail when you don't have javascript turned on make the baby jeebus cry


Yep, there must be a website left out there that *wants* readers...
 
2014-08-14 06:11:23 PM  

RexTalionis: While a dick move, they are well within the rights to remove the signs.


If the best defense of a policy anyone can muster is "it's legal," you're pretty much farked.

I simply cannot fathom the PR decisions the board of directors is making in this conflict. Calling their choices nuclear weapons-grade stupid would be offensive to nuclear weapons.
 
2014-08-14 06:20:25 PM  

Serious Black: I simply cannot fathom the PR decisions the board of directors is making in this conflict. Calling their choices nuclear weapons-grade stupid would be offensive to nuclear weapons.


It's a family feud and there's bad blood involved. I'm sure that overrides the fact that they'd rather destroy the company than to sell to Arthur T.
 
2014-08-14 06:34:43 PM  

RexTalionis: While a dick move, they are well within the rights to remove the signs.


What made them take almost a month to make that decision?
 
2014-08-14 06:56:32 PM  
Eminent domain. C'mon, MA State House/NH Legislature...
 
2014-08-14 07:41:29 PM  
James Gooch

media.wfaa.com

What a Gooch may look like.

/gooch
 
2014-08-14 08:00:52 PM  

jasonvatch: dj_bigbird: websites that fail when you don't have javascript turned on make the baby jeebus cry

Yep, there must be a website left out there that *wants* readers...


Just fill out this short survey to continue reading
 
2014-08-14 08:05:52 PM  

RexTalionis: While a dick move, they are well within the rights to remove the signs.


So, they've had signs inside and outside their stores for a month, telling people not to shop there.
 
2014-08-14 08:06:27 PM  

Serious Black: RexTalionis: While a dick move, they are well within the rights to remove the signs.

If the best defense of a policy anyone can muster is "it's legal," you're pretty much farked.

I simply cannot fathom the PR decisions the board of directors is making in this conflict. Calling their choices nuclear weapons-grade stupid would be offensive to nuclear weapons.


The goal is to knock the chain down, burn it, plow it under, sow it with salt and then start planting poison ivy/oak/sumac around the perimeter.
 
2014-08-14 08:07:23 PM  

Serious Black: RexTalionis: While a dick move, they are well within the rights to remove the signs.

If the best defense of a policy anyone can muster is "it's legal," you're pretty much farked.

I simply cannot fathom the PR decisions the board of directors is making in this conflict. Calling their choices nuclear weapons-grade stupid would be offensive to nuclear weapons.


I can come up with a better defense:

No farking store would allow signs telling people not to shop there in their own store.

What the fark is wrong with you?
 
2014-08-14 08:14:04 PM  

fusillade762: James Gooch

[media.wfaa.com image 469x264]

What a Gooch may look like.

/gooch


Hey, wasn't he managing The Shrimp Shack Shooters at one point?
 
2014-08-14 08:14:32 PM  

spawn73: Serious Black: RexTalionis: While a dick move, they are well within the rights to remove the signs.

If the best defense of a policy anyone can muster is "it's legal," you're pretty much farked.

I simply cannot fathom the PR decisions the board of directors is making in this conflict. Calling their choices nuclear weapons-grade stupid would be offensive to nuclear weapons.

I can come up with a better defense:

No farking store would allow signs telling people not to shop there in their own store.

What the fark is wrong with you?


At this point, it hardly matters whether they take the signs down or not. The board of directors should join the Ferguson Police and Vladimir Putin as the "How no to do things" poster boys of the year.
 
2014-08-14 08:14:45 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: jasonvatch: dj_bigbird: websites that fail when you don't have javascript turned on make the baby jeebus cry

Yep, there must be a website left out there that *wants* readers...

Just fill out this short survey to continue reading


Hey, you're on a mobile device!  We have our own app you can use instead of that crappy browser!  How about you install it?
 
2014-08-14 08:17:34 PM  

enry: MaudlinMutantMollusk: jasonvatch: dj_bigbird: websites that fail when you don't have javascript turned on make the baby jeebus cry

Yep, there must be a website left out there that *wants* readers...

Just fill out this short survey to continue reading

Hey, you're on a mobile device!  We have our own app you can use instead of that crappy browser!  How about you install it?


Speaking of ridiculously bad decisions...
 
2014-08-14 08:35:11 PM  
Subby, where is the Market Board ignoring First Amendment rights? Read the First Amendment before you respond.
 
2014-08-14 08:35:49 PM  
Yeah, you know this is unrelated to the First Amendment, right?

Just as a quick reminder, here's what 1A says, in its entirety:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
 
2014-08-14 08:48:38 PM  
Of course Market Basket is going to remove all the signs in and on company property, whey the heck would they not?

That being said, what the heck took them so long?

Lastly, it seems that the BOD needs to realize they have lost this war and at this point, there is no way they are going to save this company... "Let it go dudes, let it go..."
 
2014-08-14 09:00:13 PM  
I don't understand. Is the company owned by the state or something? How is the first amendment implicated?
 
2014-08-14 09:02:47 PM  
Market Basket executives on Thursday ordered the removal of all protest signs from stores, including those asking customers to boycott the supermarket and others seeking donations for workers.
In an e-mail to store directors, CEOs Felicia Thornton and James Gooch asked that the signs, posters or any other written material or drawings be taken down unless they relate to product and prices, provide information about store layout or department, or are required to be posted by the government.
They also informed stores that full-time workers should not have their hours cut next week as some had feared.
"We are not laying off full-time associates. You should plan to have your full-time associates work next week, and receive the hours required to maintain their full-time status," the e-mail said.
But that's not the case for part-time help.
According to local store managers, the nearly 1,500 part-time Market Basket workers on the Seacoast whose hours were eliminated this week along with thousands of others will remain off the job next week as they struggle to make payroll as protests continue over the ouster of former CEO Arthur T. Demoulas.
Even with the part-timers out of work, managers said it's impossible to make payroll when business is down more than 90 percent at many stores.
"We would have to cut about 40 (full-time) people to make payroll," said Walter O'Brien, assistant manager of the Epping Market Basket.
Chuck Casassa, manager of the Seabrook Market Basket in the Southgate Plaza, said business has "mostly disappeared."
"Being a tourist area we get a few customers that aren't familiar with the situation or the area," he said.
He remains hopeful that an end to the standoff is near and that Arthur T. Demoulas will prevail.
"We have 200-plus employees out of work (at his store) and my goal would be to get them back to work as soon as possible," he said.
Like other stores, Stratham Market Basket store manager Mark Owens said hours for his full-timers won't be affected next week, but his part-time staff will be out for a second week.
Earlier this week, Market Basket called on approximately 200 workers at its headquarters and distribution center who walked off the job to return by Friday or face termination.
Meanwhile, New Hampshire Legal Assistance is offering to provide legal help to any Market Basket employees seeking unemployment benefits.
The agency is encouraging workers to apply for unemployment benefits at their local New Hampshire Employment Security/NH Works Office.


*raises giant middle finger at sites that require javascript for text*
 
2014-08-14 09:05:21 PM  
Surprised it took these idiots this long to direct these signs to come down. No business would allow signs telling customers to go away to be hung on their premises.
 
2014-08-14 09:05:46 PM  

jso2897: spawn73: Serious Black: RexTalionis: While a dick move, they are well within the rights to remove the signs.

If the best defense of a policy anyone can muster is "it's legal," you're pretty much farked.

I simply cannot fathom the PR decisions the board of directors is making in this conflict. Calling their choices nuclear weapons-grade stupid would be offensive to nuclear weapons.

I can come up with a better defense:

No farking store would allow signs telling people not to shop there in their own store.

What the fark is wrong with you?

At this point, it hardly matters whether they take the signs down or not. The board of directors should join the Ferguson Police and Vladimir Putin as the "How no to do things" poster boys of the year.


So how should Vladimir Putin have anexed Crimea without firing a shot?

I'm always interested in the newest American bullshiat. :)
 
2014-08-14 09:06:48 PM  

fusillade762: James Gooch

[media.wfaa.com image 469x264]

What a Gooch may look like.

/gooch


Gooch
 
2014-08-14 09:08:43 PM  

spawn73: jso2897: spawn73: Serious Black: RexTalionis: While a dick move, they are well within the rights to remove the signs.

If the best defense of a policy anyone can muster is "it's legal," you're pretty much farked.

I simply cannot fathom the PR decisions the board of directors is making in this conflict. Calling their choices nuclear weapons-grade stupid would be offensive to nuclear weapons.

I can come up with a better defense:

No farking store would allow signs telling people not to shop there in their own store.

What the fark is wrong with you?

At this point, it hardly matters whether they take the signs down or not. The board of directors should join the Ferguson Police and Vladimir Putin as the "How no to do things" poster boys of the year.

So how should Vladimir Putin have anexed Crimea without firing a shot?

I'm always interested in the newest American bullshiat. :)


Damn. You actually bit.
I apologize - I underestimate the power of Poe's law, sometimes.
 
2014-08-14 09:18:18 PM  
I drove by a Market Basket today and they were protesting with signs that said, "Shop at Market Basket!"

/we call it the Bucket - I don;t know why
 
2014-08-14 09:23:15 PM  
perfectly legal.   the message they they carried as been heard loud and clear.
 
2014-08-14 09:26:34 PM  

RexTalionis: While a dick move, they are well within the rights to remove the signs.


Yes.  Taking down signs inside your business that oppose your business is a total dick move.

WTF is going on?

I understand that the company is doing some very questionable things at the management level, but they have to maintain some in store normalcy if want any chance to weather this.
 
2014-08-14 09:27:07 PM  

dj_bigbird: websites that fail when you don't have javascript turned on make the baby jeebus cry


Especially when it loads, you start reading, and then it turns on its "this website does not work without Java" page. Looks like I'm not clicking on any Seacoast Online links anymore.
 
2014-08-14 09:38:54 PM  
When did the First Amendment apply to people and companies?
 
2014-08-14 09:41:13 PM  

fusillade762: What a Gooch may look like.


38.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-08-14 10:04:51 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-08-14 10:08:35 PM  

Poot beer: fusillade762: James Gooch

[media.wfaa.com image 469x264]

What a Gooch may look like.

/gooch

Gooch


Choad.
 
2014-08-14 10:16:41 PM  
"Area Subby is a passionate defender of what he imagines the Constitution to be."
 
2014-08-14 10:16:54 PM  

fusillade762: James Gooch

[media.wfaa.com image 469x264]

What a Gooch may look like.

/gooch


"Bring out the Gooch."

"Gooch's sleeping."

"Well, I guess you're gonna have to go wake him up now, won't you?"
 
2014-08-14 10:22:10 PM  

germ78: Poot beer: fusillade762: James Gooch

[media.wfaa.com image 469x264]

What a Gooch may look like.

/gooch

Gooch

Choad.


Dingleberry.
 
2014-08-14 10:28:06 PM  

spawn73: Serious Black: RexTalionis: While a dick move, they are well within the rights to remove the signs.

If the best defense of a policy anyone can muster is "it's legal," you're pretty much farked.

I simply cannot fathom the PR decisions the board of directors is making in this conflict. Calling their choices nuclear weapons-grade stupid would be offensive to nuclear weapons.

I can come up with a better defense:

No farking store would allow signs telling people not to shop there in their own store.

What the fark is wrong with you?


Apparently the store managers were quite happy to leave the signs up.

It is pretty bad when the CEO has to send out an memo to store managers to stop telling customers to go away.
 
2014-08-14 10:45:01 PM  
Subby is dumb and doesn't know what the First Amendment actually is.
 
2014-08-14 11:49:13 PM  

King Something: germ78: Poot beer: fusillade762: James Gooch

[media.wfaa.com image 469x264]

What a Gooch may look like.

/gooch

Gooch

Choad.

Dingleberry.


Blatherskite.
 
2014-08-14 11:57:10 PM  

shlabotnik: I drove by a Market Basket today and they were protesting with signs that said, "Shop at Market Basket!"

/we call it the Bucket - I don;t know why


We called it Waste Basket for years.  Then they built a new store and it is/was really nice.
 
2014-08-15 12:34:35 AM  

tomasso: Yeah, you know this is unrelated to the First Amendment, right?

Just as a quick reminder, here's what 1A says, in its entirety:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


The first Amendment is cited when a person really should be making an appeal to the ideals of "freedom of speech". The ideals are great and need to be cherished. But not every abandonment of them is a denial of first amendment rights.
 
2014-08-15 12:58:06 AM  
Sales are down 90%.

So no one is (at this point) seeing the signs.

What's weird is seeing all the regulars at the other stores (where there are other stores).   Lawrence has been hit particularly hard because there's only ONE supermarket within city limits (in a neighborhood you DON'T want to go to) and it's a MB.

The board is running out of options.  Their "job fair" to scare upper-level employees by trying to hire their replacements was a fiasco.  (It couldn't have worked anyway - the potential hires would have NO experience.)

The other chains in the area are DESPERATE for part-time workers - I've heard they're hiring part-time MB employees until things get back to normal.   An interesting datum: one group of people who have been REALLY HURT by this are the local suppliers - esp. produce growers - and even THEY support the strike.   Aside from Ayn Rand types and a couple of people who are calling the Eagle Tribune "Sound Off" column (always good for a laugh), NO ONE is on the side of the Board (and there's been rumors that the ET/SO calls are coming from the Board or the families of the Board!)

What has struck me most shopping elsewhere is that the other stores are REALLY BAD at layout - they have aisles of things they don't need much space for almost very little space for things that move quickly (so the effect is that shelves can't be re-stocked quickly enough even just after the stores open).   It's amazing how comparatively organized MB's are even if they're smaller than other stores (e.g., Shaws).

I've also noticed that the competitors are putting a LOT of stuff on sale to try and come close to matching prices.   On the first week, I couldn't BELIEVE how much higher standard staples were at Shaw's (30-50% higher markup was the norm).  Last weekend since I get there when they open (and an hour AFTER I typically could go to MB) I was able to snag 2-for-1 beef which was nice but I can't imagine it lasting too much longer (must. maximize. PROFIT.).    Produce was another story - most of the stuff was definitely bottom of the barrel.  The best thing to come out of it (for me) was discovering that there's a McKinnon's in Salem NH.   They're a butcher and OMG the range of meat.   Even after all this is over I might just continue to go there just because there are things you just CAN'T get anywhere else.

It's definitely reached the point where it's abundantly clear that Arthur S. will do ANYTHING to screw over his cousin no matter what permanent damage it does to the company and even more "farkall" about the community/customers.   I suspect he'd try to sell it for $1.98 if only to make sure that Arthur T. doesn't regain control.   If he ends up winning, he's the type that would turn his assholery to the customers for not supporting him (remove the discounts, raise prices, etc.) - he's really THAT nasty of a person.

(The "S" side of the family has never worked a day in their lives, are in it only for the $$$ (even though they're already insanely wealthy) and have ZERO problem going the scorched-Earth route to screw over the "T" side of the family (remember this feud has been going on for 40 years).  The "T" side mostly has worked the business all that time, and while they're not the angels everyone is making them out to be (there are shady dealings in the past), it remains to be seen whether the obvious solution (the "S" side sells to the "T" side and walks away with the $$$) will come to pass.)

Hurricane season is coming.   I wonder what will happen if there's storm-induced run on stores under these circumstances.
 
2014-08-15 02:06:06 AM  
I'm pro labor, pro union and pro worker.  No other company would have waited a month to have those types of signs removed from THEIR property.
 
2014-08-15 02:22:05 AM  
So the current management is so incompetent that they allowed signs telling people to boycott the store to be posted on their property for a month before they ordered them taken down?
No wonder they have so many problems.
 
2014-08-15 04:29:35 AM  
Subby. That is not how the first amendment works

It would be more accurate to say they are ignoring the concept of free speech. Which they have every right to do seeing as its their property.

The first amendment applies to the government. So if they start issuing lawsuits to remove speech not hosted on their property. That would be a first amendment violation
 
2014-08-15 04:48:44 AM  

RexTalionis: While a dick move, they are well within the rights to remove the signs.


Yeah. I'm all for the Bill of Rights, but it only applies to the government.
 
2014-08-15 05:49:29 AM  

spawn73: jso2897: spawn73: Serious Black: RexTalionis: While a dick move, they are well within the rights to remove the signs.

If the best defense of a policy anyone can muster is "it's legal," you're pretty much farked.

I simply cannot fathom the PR decisions the board of directors is making in this conflict. Calling their choices nuclear weapons-grade stupid would be offensive to nuclear weapons.

I can come up with a better defense:

No farking store would allow signs telling people not to shop there in their own store.

What the fark is wrong with you?

At this point, it hardly matters whether they take the signs down or not. The board of directors should join the Ferguson Police and Vladimir Putin as the "How no to do things" poster boys of the year.

So how should Vladimir Putin have anexed Crimea without firing a shot?

I'm always interested in the newest American bullshiat. :)


So edgy. The smiley face was a nice touch.
 
2014-08-15 07:07:33 AM  

somemoron: fusillade762: James Gooch

[media.wfaa.com image 469x264]

What a Gooch may look like.

/gooch

Hey, wasn't he managing The Shrimp Shack Shooters at one point?


You're talkin' gibberish.
 
2014-08-15 07:30:41 AM  

fusillade762: James Gooch

[media.wfaa.com image 469x264]

What a Gooch may look like.

/gooch


Wrong Pic:

r.ddmcdn.com
 
2014-08-15 07:45:00 AM  
Subby thinks Market Basket is the government?

Actually that would explain a lot.
 
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