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2014-08-14 05:21:56 PM  
I don't know if this will work.  Can you imagine wearing a Darth Vader costume in the Texas heat?  It'll sap so much energy from the fanbase that they won't be able to throw batteries by the third quarter.  I don't see this working at all.
 
2014-08-14 06:11:44 PM  
And if the owner weren't a spawn of Al Davis, I could see that pitch working,
 
2014-08-14 06:18:43 PM  
sounds good to me,
Oaktown's crazy mayor always looks like she's stoned, when she's not running red lights
 
2014-08-14 06:25:33 PM  

Mentat: I don't know if this will work.  Can you imagine wearing a Darth Vader costume in the Texas heat?  It'll sap so much energy from the fanbase that they won't be able to throw batteries by the third quarter.  I don't see this working at all.


Don't think they'd keep the Raider name. The last two SA teams had brown big in their motifs, so maybe you'd get a Chewbacca.
 
2014-08-14 06:25:36 PM  

Mentat: I don't know if this will work.  Can you imagine wearing a Darth Vader costume in the Texas heat?  It'll sap so much energy from the fanbase that they won't be able to throw batteries by the third quarter.  I don't see this working at all.


On the other hand, the prices for meth are probably lower in Texas than in the Bay Area, so the fan base will be able to afford to buy even more than they do now and won't run out before halftime in most games like they usually do now, so they may actually have more energy in the third quarter than they have now.
 
2014-08-14 06:30:00 PM  
Will all of those miscreants and losers from LA still come down to San Diego when the San Antonio Raiders play the Chargers? Because if they do let's see if Glasgow will make a bid too.
 
2014-08-14 06:35:52 PM  

rjakobi: Mentat: I don't know if this will work.  Can you imagine wearing a Darth Vader costume in the Texas heat?  It'll sap so much energy from the fanbase that they won't be able to throw batteries by the third quarter.  I don't see this working at all.

Don't think they'd keep the Raider name. The last two SA teams had brown big in their motifs, so maybe you'd get a Chewbacca.


Why wouldn't they keep the name? It's a recognized brand, and they've already got the silver and black motif with the Spurs.
 
2014-08-14 07:28:07 PM  
Cool Story Bro-version:

I live in SA. The thing a lot of people forget is that San Antonio is not just SA.  It's also Austin. It's about 80 miles from downtown SA to downtown Austin.  If you're talking distance from North SA city limits to South Austin city limits, it's only 50.   But between the two cities is New Braunfels, San Marcos, Buda and Kyle.   This whole region has some of the fastest growth rates in the country.

Austin was the #3 viewing market of the NBA Finals this year behind SA and Miami, so there's some evidence that there's at least some willingness of Austinites to back SA sports.  And I've definitely met a ton of Spurs fans during my many visits to Austin.

Additionally "The Greater Austin - San Antonio Corridor Council" has been established to help facilitate the emergence of the metroplex that is trying to be established between the two cities. Part of that involves the LSTAR Rail District, which is essentially a rail system to help reduce traffic between the two cities.

I personally think some of the new feasibility study information involves some of these Austin-based companies as well as San Antonio.

One of the major road blocks is that so many people consider SA to be "Cowboy country".   But Jerry Jones is an ass who takes us for granted.  They stopped doing Cowboys training camp in SA because he pretty much assumes we are in the bag for him.  Combine that with the fact that the Cowboys have been lackluster for a long time, I don't see why people in the area would be unwilling to jump ship.  Sure it may be another lackluster team, but at least it would be "our" lackluster team.  Especially for transfer residents and younger residents who didn't grow up with a strong loyalty to the Cowboys because they were never good in their life time.

While the Raiders aren't the ideal team, I'd definitely be willing to back them anyway.  As far as team names and colors go, they could definitely stay the raiders and would be totally fine with the Silver and Black motif already existent with the Spurs in town.  That said, while highly unlikely, as a nostalgic Houston Oilers fan, I'd really want them to find a way to bring back the "Oilers" to the NFL and become the SA Oilers. But that's very doubtful.

That said, this Raiders deal is still very much a long shot.  It's more likely to not happen, than it is to happen, but I'm willing to give it a chance.  There are a lot of people here who give it absolutely no chance because they feel like we're being leveraged for a better deal elsewhere and feel like the city is wasting their time trying.  There are also a lot of people who don't want the Raiders in town either just because of the nature of the stereotypical Raiders fans.

At this point, it seems SA has a better shot landing an MLS team or potentially a MLB team than an NFL team, but I think it's at least worth trying.


TLDR version:
I live in San Antonio. Don't forget about how close Austin is. I support it but its highly improbable.
 
2014-08-14 07:35:28 PM  

stoli n coke: rjakobi: Mentat: I don't know if this will work.  Can you imagine wearing a Darth Vader costume in the Texas heat?  It'll sap so much energy from the fanbase that they won't be able to throw batteries by the third quarter.  I don't see this working at all.

Don't think they'd keep the Raider name. The last two SA teams had brown big in their motifs, so maybe you'd get a Chewbacca.

Why wouldn't they keep the name? It's a recognized brand, and they've already got the silver and black motif with the Spurs.


Keeps the colors, but change the name to Chaps:

images.nitrosell.com

Get your concho leather on...
 
2014-08-14 07:36:51 PM  

utsagrad123: They stopped doing Cowboys training camp in SA because he pretty much assumes we are in the bag for him.


Because it makes so much sense to hold training camp in the 100+ degree heat of SA rather the the milder climate of Oxnard.
 
2014-08-14 07:38:07 PM  

Pokey.Clyde: utsagrad123: They stopped doing Cowboys training camp in SA because he pretty much assumes we are in the bag for him.

Because it makes so much sense to hold training camp in the 100+ degree heat of SA rather the the milder climate of Oxnard.


It was actually held inside an air-conditioned dome.
 
2014-08-14 07:43:00 PM  
I can't imagine the Raiders anywhere but southern California. Most people can't. Which is why I doubt they will move anywhere but back to LA for round two.
 
2014-08-14 07:46:14 PM  
It's all about potential market penetration.

The MS13 hierarchy might just absolutely adore the Raider motif.

This could work.
 
2014-08-14 07:46:57 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: I can't imagine the Raiders anywhere but southern California. Most people can't. Which is why I doubt they will move anywhere but back to LA for round two.


Too much Davis pride for that to happen.
 
2014-08-14 07:49:30 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: I can't imagine the Raiders anywhere but southern California. Most people can't. Which is why I doubt they will move anywhere but back to LA for round two.


Doesn't their parole say they can't leave the state? Wait shiat confusing the team for the fans again.
 
2014-08-14 07:52:41 PM  
Raiders won't move for a 2nd... err 3rd time. That's just silly.
 
2014-08-14 07:53:09 PM  

utsagrad123: Cool Story Bro-version:

I live in SA. The thing a lot of people forget is that San Antonio is not just SA.  It's also Austin. It's about 80 miles from downtown SA to downtown Austin.  If you're talking distance from North SA city limits to South Austin city limits, it's only 50.   But between the two cities is New Braunfels, San Marcos, Buda and Kyle.   This whole region has some of the fastest growth rates in the country.

Austin was the #3 viewing market of the NBA Finals this year behind SA and Miami, so there's some evidence that there's at least some willingness of Austinites to back SA sports.  And I've definitely met a ton of Spurs fans during my many visits to Austin.

Additionally "The Greater Austin - San Antonio Corridor Council" has been established to help facilitate the emergence of the metroplex that is trying to be established between the two cities. Part of that involves the LSTAR Rail District, which is essentially a rail system to help reduce traffic between the two cities.

I personally think some of the new feasibility study information involves some of these Austin-based companies as well as San Antonio.

One of the major road blocks is that so many people consider SA to be "Cowboy country".   But Jerry Jones is an ass who takes us for granted.  They stopped doing Cowboys training camp in SA because he pretty much assumes we are in the bag for him.  Combine that with the fact that the Cowboys have been lackluster for a long time, I don't see why people in the area would be unwilling to jump ship.  Sure it may be another lackluster team, but at least it would be "our" lackluster team.  Especially for transfer residents and younger residents who didn't grow up with a strong loyalty to the Cowboys because they were never good in their life time.

While the Raiders aren't the ideal team, I'd definitely be willing to back them anyway.  As far as team names and colors go, they could definitely stay the raiders and would be totally fine with the Silv ...


As an Austinite, I think a lot of the reason we support your teams is well, We have no pro sports of our own, just a bunch of fun as hell minor league stuff.  The Raiders aren't ideal, but hey, at least its football relatively close by.

See in in January for PAX South BTW.
 
2014-08-14 07:59:48 PM  

Antimatter: As an Austinite, I think a lot of the reason we support your teams is well, We have no pro sports of our own, just a bunch of fun as hell minor league stuff.  The Raiders aren't ideal, but hey, at least its football relatively close by.

See in in January for PAX South BTW.


And if Austin ever got a major league team of any sport (and I really think that's coming soon), much of SA would probably support it too.  The point there is that markets are really starting to merge. And if we can consider the Dallas Cowboys "our local team", we definitely could consider any Austin team "our local team" as well.
 
2014-08-14 08:00:32 PM  

Antimatter: See in in January for PAX South BTW.


Oh and yes I'm looking forward to this.  Make sure you make the obligatory stop at Buc-ee's on the way down.
 
Oak
2014-08-14 08:04:48 PM  

rjakobi: Mentat: I don't know if this will work.  Can you imagine wearing a Darth Vader costume in the Texas heat?  It'll sap so much energy from the fanbase that they won't be able to throw batteries by the third quarter.  I don't see this working at all.

Don't think they'd keep the Raider name. The last two SA teams had brown big in their motifs, so maybe you'd get a Chewbacca.


Especially appropriate when the other team has the ball.
 
2014-08-14 08:09:14 PM  
Football in SA you say?

content.sportslogos.net

/hot link
//not obscure
 
2014-08-14 08:38:26 PM  
They'd go bankrupt changing their logos, or so I've been led to believe.
 
2014-08-14 09:05:00 PM  
Hope it happens and by further lessening the NFL's cultural control on the west coast, opens the way for other sports to get a piece of the action. The NFL bullies too many cities around and gets a ridiculous amount of corporate welfare. While I'm sure MLS or whatever other sport fills the void would be as ruthless in getting public money if they had a chance, none of them have or are likely to ever have the corrupting power of the NFL. Open the door for the west coast values to include not caring for that "east coast flyover sport" and it weakens the NFL's position everywhere. That's a big win for the public.
 
2014-08-14 09:19:07 PM  
110nationsports.com

SOON...
 
2014-08-14 09:23:43 PM  
It doesn't matter what they call the team because they're gonna lose and lose consistently anyhow.  They can call themselves the Alamo Survivors and prop Al Davis' rotting corpse in the owner's box and it won't matter to the nitwits who will willingly show up and buy the overpriced food, beer and souvenirs anyhow.
 
2014-08-14 09:43:59 PM  
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LATER...
 
2014-08-14 10:07:12 PM  

utsagrad123: Cool Story Bro-version:

I live in SA. The thing a lot of people forget is that San Antonio is not just SA.  It's also Austin. It's about 80 miles from downtown SA to downtown Austin.  If you're talking distance from North SA city limits to South Austin city limits, it's only 50.   But between the two cities is New Braunfels, San Marcos, Buda and Kyle.   This whole region has some of the fastest growth rates in the country.

Austin was the #3 viewing market of the NBA Finals this year behind SA and Miami, so there's some evidence that there's at least some willingness of Austinites to back SA sports.  And I've definitely met a ton of Spurs fans during my many visits to Austin.

Additionally "The Greater Austin - San Antonio Corridor Council" has been established to help facilitate the emergence of the metroplex that is trying to be established between the two cities. Part of that involves the LSTAR Rail District, which is essentially a rail system to help reduce traffic between the two cities.

I personally think some of the new feasibility study information involves some of these Austin-based companies as well as San Antonio.

One of the major road blocks is that so many people consider SA to be "Cowboy country".   But Jerry Jones is an ass who takes us for granted.  They stopped doing Cowboys training camp in SA because he pretty much assumes we are in the bag for him.  Combine that with the fact that the Cowboys have been lackluster for a long time, I don't see why people in the area would be unwilling to jump ship.  Sure it may be another lackluster team, but at least it would be "our" lackluster team.  Especially for transfer residents and younger residents who didn't grow up with a strong loyalty to the Cowboys because they were never good in their life time.

While the Raiders aren't the ideal team, I'd definitely be willing to back them anyway.  As far as team names and colors go, they could definitely stay the raiders and would be totally fine with the Silv ...


That's a lot of words for a Texan,
 
2014-08-14 10:08:29 PM  
As an A's fan and a 47-year Raiders hater, I must caution y'all San Antonio residents that the owners of this franchise are the most egoistic and evil people in sports.

You need to understand that if you allow these people to get their foot in the door, you'll soon have luxury boxes on top of the Alamo, and new taxes to pay for it.

Don't say I didn't warn you.
 
2014-08-14 10:14:34 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: As an A's fan and a 47-year Raiders hater, I must caution y'all San Antonio residents that the owners of this franchise are the most egoistic and evil people in sports.

You need to understand that if you allow these people to get their foot in the door, you'll soon have luxury boxes on top of the Alamo, and new taxes to pay for it.

Don't say I didn't warn you.


Right? They're being played by by the people who invented the game. There is only one winning move.
 
2014-08-14 10:25:46 PM  

MFAWG: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: As an A's fan and a 47-year Raiders hater, I must caution y'all San Antonio residents that the owners of this franchise are the most egoistic and evil people in sports.

You need to understand that if you allow these people to get their foot in the door, you'll soon have luxury boxes on top of the Alamo, and new taxes to pay for it.

Don't say I didn't warn you.

Right? They're being played by by the people who invented the game. There is only one winning move.


Oakland doesn't want to pay for a new stadium, but SA does?  Wave goodbye and good riddance.  Let a new pack of suckers have the franchise.
 
2014-08-14 10:32:03 PM  
I look forward to the AFC West in 2016 being the Denver Broncos, Kansas City Chiefs, San Antonio Raiders, and Los Angeles Chargers.
 
2014-08-14 10:34:41 PM  
I love this idea. Make it happen Mark.

As a Coloradan and Broncos fan, moving the Raiders to Texas completes the circle. DO IT!
 
2014-08-14 11:34:37 PM  
Poor San Antonio.  If not for Houston (really) and Dallas, they'd have had a team years ago.  I remember when the Saints were playing there after Katrina they had these understandably mixed hopes they could keep them.
 
2014-08-14 11:52:56 PM  
This thread is the first time I've ever seen someone compare the 'Nard to another place and have that comparison be favorable to Oxnard.
 
2014-08-15 12:57:43 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Poor San Antonio.  If not for Houston (really) and Dallas, they'd have had a team years ago.  I remember when the Saints were playing there after Katrina they had these understandably mixed hopes they could keep them.


Historically speaking, had it not been for Katrina the Saints would probably have ended up in San Antonio.  Tom Benson was in negotiations with the city of San Antonio (as well as Albuquerque and Los Angeles) prior to the storm. Here's an article from May of 2005 (i.e. 3+ months prior to Katrina) indicating that.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/saints/2005-05-11 -r elocation-possibilities_x.htm

But after Katrina, Ray Nagin called Tom Benson out on moving the team, essentially saying that it would be heartless to move so quickly after the storm.  See:  http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2197636

Two days later Benson issued a statement indicating he had no intentions of moving the team.  San Antonio's hopes of getting the Saints weren't just from post-Katrina games, but from months of mental preparation for a team prior to Katrina as well.  But after Katrina hit, Benson's hands were tied.

All that said, the Saints staying in New Orleans definitely worked out for the city and the team, and I think most of us in SA are okay with that.
 
2014-08-15 01:13:07 AM  
As a resident of Oakland, and someone who grew up a Raider fan in the 70's, please take the team and the owner's bad haircut away.
 
2014-08-15 08:50:21 AM  
Not sure if the state of Texas will tolerate a football team that totally sucks.

/Austin Browns next?
 
2014-08-15 09:55:39 AM  

lilbjorn: Not sure if the state of Texas will tolerate an additional football team that totally sucks.



FTFY, gotta give a shout out to the Texans and the recent several years of Cowboys teams.
 
2014-08-15 11:10:49 AM  
If the powers-that-be in San Antonio were smart, their feeling about the Raiders should be,
"Why should we give a flying crap about you?"
 
2014-08-15 11:59:25 AM  

utsagrad123: Historically speaking, had it not been for Katrina the Saints would probably have ended up in San Antonio.  Tom Benson was in negotiations with the city of San Antonio (as well as Albuquerque and Los Angeles) prior to the storm. Here's an article from May of 2005 (i.e. 3+ months prior to Katrina) indicating that.


Not to mention that OKC would've had a good chance to get the Hornets (at the time), and Seattle would've kept its team. Katrina screwed up cities that weren't even involved!
 
2014-08-15 01:00:03 PM  

tnpir: I look forward to the AFC West in 2016 being the Denver Broncos, Kansas City Chiefs, San Antonio Raiders, and Los Angeles Chargers Rams.


~FTFY

St. Louis makes a 3rd team that can move wherever they want at the end of the season, IIRC.
 
2014-08-15 01:05:46 PM  
The $765 bar tab, which was paid for by the San Antonio Chamber of Commerce, included four bottles of Magnificat wine, three bottles from the Jordan Vineyard & Winery and one Miller Lite.

There's always one guy who has to be different.
 
2014-08-15 01:07:20 PM  

IAmRight: utsagrad123: Historically speaking, had it not been for Katrina the Saints would probably have ended up in San Antonio.  Tom Benson was in negotiations with the city of San Antonio (as well as Albuquerque and Los Angeles) prior to the storm. Here's an article from May of 2005 (i.e. 3+ months prior to Katrina) indicating that.

Not to mention that OKC would've had a good chance to get the Hornets (at the time), and Seattle would've kept its team. Katrina screwed up cities that weren't even involved!


George Bush hates Seattle people.
 
2014-08-15 01:26:05 PM  

utsagrad123: George Bush hates Seattle people.


Well, they are mostly liberals and didn't vote for him.
 
2014-08-15 06:56:04 PM  

utsagrad123: But after Katrina hit, Benson's hands were tied.


Benson still wanted to.  Tagliabue tied Tom's hands for him.
 
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