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(Deadspin)   The dispute over Bud Selig's replacement is over how dickish the league wants to act towards its players   (deadspin.com) divider line 21
    More: Interesting, Major League Baseball, Bud Selig, Jerry Reinsdorf, Rob Manfred, Tom Werner, shoot out tournament, work stoppages, collusion  
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2014-08-14 02:27:07 PM  
Tom Werner as commissioner would be the lulziest thing MLB ever wrought upon its fanbase.

Remember -- he's the genius who thought that this:

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... was a smart promotional stunt.
 
2014-08-14 05:18:18 PM  
1)  Billionaire owners collude to screw players
2)  Players complain
3)  Public demonizes players are millionaire union thugs
4)  Repeat 1-3
 
2014-08-14 06:23:05 PM  
So correct me if I'm reading this wrong, but the premise is that voting for Selig's henchman...is actually the lesser of two evils? Just want to be sure, because that somehow seems as possible as seeing an actual, old school historical documentary at 8pm on the History channel.
 
2014-08-14 07:43:45 PM  

Mentat: 1)  Billionaire owners collude to screw players
2)  Players complain
3)  Public demonizes players are millionaire union thugs
4)  Repeat 1-3


Yet decades of repeating 1-3 lead to billionaire owners losing money, which was the reason they decided to not take a hard line with the players again.
 
2014-08-14 07:44:56 PM  

FriarReb98: So correct me if I'm reading this wrong, but the premise is that voting for Selig's henchman...is actually the lesser of two evils? Just want to be sure, because that somehow seems as possible as seeing an actual, old school historical documentary at 8pm on the History channel.


Got my hopes up but it's just Pawn Stars.  H2 has America Unearthed which is a lot closer to a documentary with The Mystery of Roanoke.   Which will no doubt delve into the lost colony.  However, the Selig lackey is the lesser evil.
 
2014-08-14 08:01:32 PM  
 
2014-08-14 11:25:32 PM  

FriarReb98: So correct me if I'm reading this wrong, but the premise is that voting for Selig's henchman...is actually the lesser of two evils?


Jerry Reinsdorf is THAT much of a dick, yes.
 
2014-08-14 11:29:29 PM  
..though I do sometimes wonder what MLB would look like today had Selig and Reinsdorf not wrested away baseball's central power from Steinbrenner and Ted Turner back in the day
 
2014-08-14 11:29:52 PM  
BKITU: Remember -- he's the genius who thought that this... was a smart promotional stunt.

He's the greatest genius in baseball history compared to Arte Moreno and his Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim nonsense. *shudder*

Speaking of the billboard owner Moreno, it's hilarious to think that he'll be leading the charge against players salaries, given he's the owner who approved huge contracts that the Angels will be paying off for years after they're done playing for the past it Albert Poo-holes and Josh Hamilton.
 
2014-08-14 11:31:34 PM  

Henry Holland: Speaking of the billboard owner Moreno, it's hilarious to think that he'll be leading the charge against players salaries, given he's the owner who approved huge contracts that the Angels will be paying off for years after they're done playing for the past it Albert Poo-holes and Josh Hamilton.


..well to that point and answering my own question after thinking about it a second, we probably wouldn't have a luxury tax
 
2014-08-14 11:36:35 PM  
They'll never top Selig.

Sure, they might find someone as anti-player.
Sure, they might find someone as petty.
Sure, they might find someone who could own a team, sell it to his daughter after he became Commissioner, and then pat himself on the back for 20 years about how he avoided a conflict of interest.
Sure, they might find someone as completely impermeable to acquiring knowledge of the game even as he's pickled in it for decades at a time. ("Extra innings? How would that work? What's the procedure here? Oh, hell, I'm tired. Call it a tie. We have those, right?")
They might even find someone with as punchable a face.

But the whole package? Never. No asshole quite so stinky will ever grace the Commissioner's chair again, and I say that knowing full well that George W. Bush was a candidate for the job once.
 
2014-08-14 11:40:50 PM  

semiotix: They'll never top Selig.


He even screwed Seattle over decades before David Stern did.

He's a pioneer, baby!
 
2014-08-14 11:46:01 PM  
I'm just hoping that Manfred ends up like Adam Silver, and comes out of the gate showing that he's not beholden to his old boss's policies.

Step 1: Abolish the "All-Star Game counts!" nonsense, make home field in the WS dependent on interleague play or something like that
Step 2: Actually do something (instead of just saying "we're looking at the situation") about the stadium issues in Oakland and Tampa
Step 3: Ban Ruben Amaro Jr from baseball for making a mockery of the game

/Okay, that last one might just be wishful thinking on my part
 
2014-08-15 12:13:17 AM  
the votes for Werner were Bosox, ChiSox, Jays, D'backs, Angels, A's and Reds
 
2014-08-15 12:14:44 AM  
Nats initially voted for Werner, then changed to break the "deadlock"
 
2014-08-15 01:19:18 AM  
It would be nice if the players got a say so in who the commissioner is.
 
2014-08-15 01:27:55 AM  

WhyteRaven74: It would be nice if the players got a say so in who the commissioner is.


in a sense they kinda did. I'd have to imagine it weighed on most owners' minds that the MLBPA would've been none-too-thrilled with Werner. Most owners didn't get/stay rich by being dumb. They know they've got a cherry deal when they have one and don't want to rock the boat.
 
2014-08-15 02:07:09 AM  

WhyteRaven74: It would be nice if the players got a say so in who the commissioner is.


Wouldn't that be akin to the UAW having some say in who the CEO of GM is?
 
2014-08-15 09:08:50 AM  

FDR Jones: Wouldn't that be akin to the UAW having some say in who the CEO of GM is?


Like  The Bestest just said, when you've got a union of sufficient size, they do have some say. Not necessarily in terms of this individual or that, but in terms of the overall direction of things, which in turn affects the individual. Market Basket is an extreme example of that, but it happens in less obvious ways all the time.

I'm all for unions getting every edge they can, but even I don't think the players here needed to be able to cast an official vote or have a formal seat at the table. The players have a good enough union and a strong enough bargaining position that they can survive almost any Commissioner. But I'm less optimistic about the experience of watching the game itself, at least at the major league level.
 
2014-08-15 09:25:57 AM  

Joe_diGriz: Step 1: Abolish the "All-Star Game counts!" nonsense, make home field in the WS dependent on interleague play or something like that


That was the moment where you saw that Selig had more range than just "corrupt." He could be genuinely stupid, too.

Declaring a tie after  eleven innings was  pretty stupid. Yeah, the teams had burned through a lot of their pitchers and position players. But... eleven innings. Whoever pitched in the bottom of the twelfth (or whenever the players were bored) would have just lobbed one across the plate to get crushed. No big deal. It's just an exhibition game.

Expecting to be the Hero of the Tie Ballgame Crisis of Ought-Two, as Selig  clearly did, was very stupid. He made damn sure the Fox Sports cameras were rolling to see him make a stern "leadership" face and boldly declare the game over. Yeah, if there's one thing Americans like more than paying $200 for nosebleed seats at a fake game, it's ties.

But the crowning glory of his stupid only came later, when he changed the rules. Not to make ties less likely. Not to make ties less of a problem, e.g. by allowing players to come back in the game. But to make late-inning ties  MORE of a problem, by giving the game some actual significance.

Jesus farking Christ, Bud Selig. Twenty-two years of that guy.
 
2014-08-15 12:06:54 PM  

JayCab: semiotix: They'll never top Selig.

He even screwed Seattle over decades before David Stern did.

He's a pioneer, baby!


I am a Brewers fan who is woefully ignorant of the Pilots history, but thankful that we have the Brewers and appreciate that one act of Selig's. I also think he hasn't been a terrible commissioner, not perfect, extremely underhanded, and a complete hypocrite, but when you consider his job is to make the owners money, he hasn't been terrible. I also love the Brewers in the NL as I hate the DH and think that the have been able to be more competitive with a smaller payroll/smallest market.

With all of that, I cannot, nor will not ever forgive him for letting the Brewers languish in absolute misery for 2 decades with an ownership that couldn't have cared less about the product on the field.
 
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