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2014-08-14 02:13:34 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: There is a strong case to be made that Disney has a noticeable anticlerical bias in their movies.


Who cares about that?
 
2014-08-14 02:15:42 PM  

skozlaw: BojanglesPaladin: Off the top of your head, name any Disney depiction of a priest, monk, friar, reverend, cardinal, or other 'man of the cloth'.

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Posted while I was still looking up the same images!

He might be called the exception that proves the rule, perhaps. I would also add Rafiki (he's definitely the savannah's priest figure).
 
2014-08-14 02:15:48 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: I will say this. There is a strong case to be made that Disney has a noticeable anticlerical bias in their movies. I lost a bet with someone over this, so I'll throw it out to the Fark team:

Off the top of your head, name any Disney depiction of a priest, monk, friar, reverend, cardinal, or other 'man of the cloth'.

Now how many of them are depicted in a negative light? Evil, drunk, bafoonish, uncaring, unhelpful, etc.
Now how many are depicted in a positive light?


I'm honestly having a tough time coming up with any clerical figures other than Friar Tuck and Rafiki. Did you have someone specific in mind?
 
2014-08-14 02:17:25 PM  

real_headhoncho: What was the gay agenda again?


to explain it i'll need a theater, chorus line, live orchestra and lots of fabulous costumes
 
2014-08-14 02:18:03 PM  

qorkfiend: I'm honestly having a tough time coming up with any clerical figures other than Friar Tuck and Rafiki. Did you have someone specific in mind?


The villain from Hunchback was a government official that justified his actions religiously, I think. There've probably also been a couple of buffoonish ones here and there I imagine...

/we're probably being trolled
 
2014-08-14 02:18:35 PM  

JayCab: skozlaw: BojanglesPaladin: Off the top of your head, name any Disney depiction of a priest, monk, friar, reverend, cardinal, or other 'man of the cloth'.

[img3.wikia.nocookie.net image 350x350]

Posted while I was still looking up the same images!

He might be called the exception that proves the rule, perhaps. I would also add Rafiki (he's definitely the savannah's priest figure).


*shrugs*

It's bait, what do you expect?
 
2014-08-14 02:20:57 PM  
Disney is not much pro-gay, as they are anti anti-gay.

Personally, I wouldn't describe myself as pro-gay. Just willing to punch anti-gays in the mouth.
 
2014-08-14 02:21:33 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: I will say this. There is a strong case to be made that Disney has a noticeable anticlerical bias in their movies. I lost a bet with someone over this, so I'll throw it out to the Fark team:

Off the top of your head, name any Disney depiction of a priest, monk, friar, reverend, cardinal, or other 'man of the cloth'.

Now how many of them are depicted in a negative light? Evil, drunk, bafoonish, uncaring, unhelpful, etc.
Now how many are depicted in a positive light?


why would your mind even go there?

THEY MAKE CHILDREN'S MOVIES.  IF YOU WANT YOUR KID TO 'LEARN ABOUT GOD' OR WHATEVER OTHER DIETY TAKE THEM TO THE RELIGIOUS PLACE OF YOUR CHOICE.

Disney is not beholden to put any religious figure in a good, or bad light.  Most of the 'religious' figures are sidelines in a story, not major characters, and who the fark cares how they are portrayed?  Outside of you, apparently.

Children's movies are for entertainment.  If you want children under your care and tutelage to see religious figures in only a good light, don't rent disney movies, and for fark's sake don't let them read the news on any given day.

This is a really dumb thing to even try to converse about.  Movies are entertainment, not religion.
 
2014-08-14 02:22:02 PM  

real_headhoncho: What was the gay agenda again?


Public acceptance of homosexual relationships
 
2014-08-14 02:22:13 PM  
Looking at this tards list of articles, it seems he slurps up Big Derp on a daily basis. "Oooga booga the liberal agenda!"

Yeah that agenda is just heinous. Civil rights, health care. Government that spends tax dollars at home instead of invading useless desert shiatholes for Cheney and his cronies.

I mean, my personal agenda is different. And it mostly involves pointing out constantly all the ways that conservatives are basically the source of all evil in the world, doing and saying things that even Sauron would consider distasteful. Wrap yourselves in a flag and carry and cross while spewing hate and vitriol and xenophobic insanity. It's the conservative agenda of war and death and Jesus that's destroying America. So I consider it my personal duty to shiat on them at any/every opportunity. And I'm currently researching PAC start ups, so I can recruit others to my cause and drive the source of all evil(conservatards) into the tiny little Coventry reservations surrounded by energy field fences, where they can only hurt themselves.
 
2014-08-14 02:23:49 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: I will say this. There is a strong case to be made that Disney has a noticeable anticlerical bias in their movies. I lost a bet with someone over this, so I'll throw it out to the Fark team:

Off the top of your head, name any Disney depiction of a priest, monk, friar, reverend, cardinal, or other 'man of the cloth'.

Now how many of them are depicted in a negative light? Evil, drunk, bafoonish, uncaring, unhelpful, etc.
Now how many are depicted in a positive light?


img.fark.net

And to the larger point, most literature tends to throw priests to the wolves.  Unless the story is being written by a priest, they tend not to come out well.  For instance, go read Chaucer's Canterbury Tales.  He pretty much marches down the line of religious authorities and kicks them in the balls repeatedly, both in the frame story and the tales themselves (even the fact that the pilgrims are such shameless assmunches could be construed as saying the priests are doing such a bad job that the pilgrims are complete fark-ups; so tales, frame, and meta).  Dante shoved so many Popes in the Inferno they should have referred to the Third Mitre of Hell.

Hell, when you come down to it, the foundational book of Christianity is hilariously anti-priest.  I don't think any Gospel can go more than 4 verses without biatchslapping a priest.  Paul spends most of the rest of the NT complaining churches are being bad (which implies the leaders are piss-poor).  And even the OT has enough corrupt clerics to scare the living daylights out of a harem of altar boys.  In fact, you ought to get your fiver back.  Plunk The Good Book down in front of your buddy, and dare him to find more positive priestly depictions than Disney.  He's gonna owe you.
 
2014-08-14 02:23:55 PM  

whidbey: BojanglesPaladin: There is a strong case to be made that Disney has a noticeable anticlerical bias in their movies.

Who cares about that?


EVERYTHING is about religion to some people. Everything. It's either for it or it's against it.

Why hasn't Disney addressed any of my personal hobbies?! They're biased against them, obviously!
 
2014-08-14 02:24:21 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: I will say this. There is a strong case to be made that Disney has a noticeable anticlerical bias in their movies. I lost a bet with someone over this, so I'll throw it out to the Fark team:

Off the top of your head, name any Disney depiction of a priest, monk, friar, reverend, cardinal, or other 'man of the cloth'.

Now how many of them are depicted in a negative light? Evil, drunk, bafoonish, uncaring, unhelpful, etc.
Now how many are depicted in a positive light?


I can't think of one. The old baboon from the lion king? Rafiki? Not a lot of priests in cartoons
 
2014-08-14 02:24:34 PM  
Dammit, skozlaw
 
2014-08-14 02:25:38 PM  

qorkfiend: BojanglesPaladin: I will say this. There is a strong case to be made that Disney has a noticeable anticlerical bias in their movies. I lost a bet with someone over this, so I'll throw it out to the Fark team:

Off the top of your head, name any Disney depiction of a priest, monk, friar, reverend, cardinal, or other 'man of the cloth'.

Now how many of them are depicted in a negative light? Evil, drunk, bafoonish, uncaring, unhelpful, etc.
Now how many are depicted in a positive light?

I'm honestly having a tough time coming up with any clerical figures other than Friar Tuck and Rafiki. Did you have someone specific in mind?


Let's not forget the horny priest in Little Mermaid.

www.oddfilms.com
 
2014-08-14 02:27:16 PM  

JayCab: The villain from Hunchback was a government official that justified his actions religiously, I think. There've probably also been a couple of buffoonish ones here and there I imagine...


Claude Frollo was a complete and absolute bastard in the original story. He stabbed the Captain of the archers in the back in a jealous rage, allowed Quasimodo to be tortured in public, and attempted to curse Esmerelda as a demon because he was angry that he had the hots for her before laughing at her hanging on the gallows.

There's also Cardinal Richelieu, another guy who was a complete dick in the original story and who has a relatively controversial history in reality, as well.

Religious Disney villains are villainous because they were villains from their base stories, but acknowledging that reality doesn't sound as good as whining about persecution, I guess.
 
2014-08-14 02:27:58 PM  

Stile4aly: qorkfiend: BojanglesPaladin: I will say this. There is a strong case to be made that Disney has a noticeable anticlerical bias in their movies. I lost a bet with someone over this, so I'll throw it out to the Fark team:

Off the top of your head, name any Disney depiction of a priest, monk, friar, reverend, cardinal, or other 'man of the cloth'.

Now how many of them are depicted in a negative light? Evil, drunk, bafoonish, uncaring, unhelpful, etc.
Now how many are depicted in a positive light?

I'm honestly having a tough time coming up with any clerical figures other than Friar Tuck and Rafiki. Did you have someone specific in mind?

Let's not forget the horny priest in Little Mermaid.

[www.oddfilms.com image 450x291]


The Hunchback bishop.

so it is 50/50 for Disney.  Still better than how the Bible depicts them.
 
2014-08-14 02:33:38 PM  

dstrick44: Wat Disney characters are openly gay?
Feels like I'm missing something.


Not openly, but certain villains (ex. Ratcliffe) read as fops or dandies, and it's VERY hard to tell that trope apart from the sterotypes of camp gay.
 
2014-08-14 02:34:31 PM  

neongoats: Looking at this tards list of articles, it seems he slurps up Big Derp on a daily basis. "Oooga booga the liberal agenda!"

Yeah that agenda is just heinous. Civil rights, health care. Government that spends tax dollars at home instead of invading useless desert shiatholes for Cheney and his cronies.

I mean, my personal agenda is different. And it mostly involves pointing out constantly all the ways that conservatives are basically the source of all evil in the world, doing and saying things that even Sauron would consider distasteful. Wrap yourselves in a flag and carry and cross while spewing hate and vitriol and xenophobic insanity. It's the conservative agenda of war and death and Jesus that's destroying America. So I consider it my personal duty to shiat on them at any/every opportunity. And I'm currently researching PAC start ups, so I can recruit others to my cause and drive the source of all evil(conservatards) into the tiny little Coventry reservations surrounded by energy field fences, where they can only hurt themselves.


been thinking along the same lines myself. i believe it is time for us to end the culture war wwii style, so what's the psychological equivalent of dropping a couple nukes on conservatives. i'm so sick of their nonsense i'm eager to find a way to carry out the genocide of a political ideology
 
2014-08-14 02:36:00 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Disney is not beholden to put any religious figure in a good, or bad light.


I have not said that Disney has an obligation to portray ANYONE, but thank you for wasting pixels on a point not being made.

It was pointed out to me, and my Weeners was 'bullshiat', but then I found I couldn't prove it wrong. Friar Tuck was the best I could think of and he's a bit of a gluttonous buffoon.

At the time there were a number I could think of, because at the time I paid a lot more attention to Disney. I think the Rescuers, buffon priests in various weddings, etc.

I'm actually just curious to see if anyone can think of more POSITIVE depictions of priests (and nuns and such) in Disney films.
 
2014-08-14 02:37:29 PM  
Also worth noting that the discussion was not limited to animated only. Disney did a ton of live-action movies for kids.
 
2014-08-14 02:39:51 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Now how many of them are depicted in a negative light? Evil, drunk, bafoonish, uncaring, unhelpful, etc.
Now how many are depicted in a positive light?


Well, you lost the bet, you tell us.

I can't think of any significant characters except Friar Tuck and Claude Frollo. And isn't Frollo Victor Hugo's responsibility?

This argument seems poorly thought out, even for you.


Stile4aly: Let's not forget the horny priest in Little Mermaid.

[www.oddfilms.com image 450x291]


That's his knee.
 
2014-08-14 02:40:22 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Also worth noting that the discussion was not limited to animated only. Disney did a ton of live-action movies for kids.


I've given two animated and one live action example. Two examples are based on stories other people wrote long before Disney remade them and in which the religious figures were the antagonists from the start and one of them portrayed the religious figure as a very compassionate and kindly person.

It's YOUR turn to support YOUR thesis.
 
2014-08-14 02:40:53 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Disney is not beholden to put any religious figure in a good, or bad light.

I have not said that Disney has an obligation to portray ANYONE, but thank you for wasting pixels on a point not being made.

It was pointed out to me, and my Weeners was 'bullshiat', but then I found I couldn't prove it wrong. Friar Tuck was the best I could think of and he's a bit of a gluttonous buffoon.

At the time there were a number I could think of, because at the time I paid a lot more attention to Disney. I think the Rescuers, buffon priests in various weddings, etc.

I'm actually just curious to see if anyone can think of more POSITIVE depictions of priests (and nuns and such) in Disney films.


I'll ask again.


Why does it matter?
 
2014-08-14 02:41:40 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Stile4aly: Let's not forget the horny priest in Little Mermaid.

[www.oddfilms.com image 450x291]


That's his knee.


You're no fun.
 
2014-08-14 02:41:54 PM  

phalamir: Stile4aly: qorkfiend: BojanglesPaladin: I will say this. There is a strong case to be made that Disney has a noticeable anticlerical bias in their movies. I lost a bet with someone over this, so I'll throw it out to the Fark team:

Off the top of your head, name any Disney depiction of a priest, monk, friar, reverend, cardinal, or other 'man of the cloth'.

Now how many of them are depicted in a negative light? Evil, drunk, bafoonish, uncaring, unhelpful, etc.
Now how many are depicted in a positive light?

I'm honestly having a tough time coming up with any clerical figures other than Friar Tuck and Rafiki. Did you have someone specific in mind?

Let's not forget the horny priest in Little Mermaid.

[www.oddfilms.com image 450x291]

The Hunchback bishop.

so it is 50/50 for Disney.  Still better than how the Bible depicts them.


They intentionally changed Frollo from an archdecon to a judge to avoid accusations the movie was anti-Christian. Then again his motivations ("she must be in league with the devil for giving me a funny feeling in my pants!") stay the same and he's still always at the church so I can imagine your confusion. He's actually not as much of a villain in the book in that he actually did have compassion for Quasimodo, but then again his decision to put Esmeralda to death as a direct response to spurning his advances also struck me as colder in the book too.
 
2014-08-14 02:42:06 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Disney is not beholden to put any religious figure in a good, or bad light.

I have not said that Disney has an obligation to portray ANYONE, but thank you for wasting pixels on a point not being made.

It was pointed out to me, and my Weeners was 'bullshiat', but then I found I couldn't prove it wrong. Friar Tuck was the best I could think of and he's a bit of a gluttonous buffoon.

At the time there were a number I could think of, because at the time I paid a lot more attention to Disney. I think the Rescuers, buffon priests in various weddings, etc.

I'm actually just curious to see if anyone can think of more POSITIVE depictions of priests (and nuns and such) in Disney films.


Which would be great if it were at all relevant to the topic at hand and not your bizarre derailing of the thread with some whisper of an anti-priest anti-religious agenda that you can't even hold up. Disney isn't even limited to its animation studio so any point you want to make about there being some kind of conspiracy in its films that were all written and directed by different people is complete and utter nonsense. No one was going over the script and saying "hey let's shiat on the christians" like in your dreams where you're persecuted for your dumb farking beliefs.

Shut the fark up.
 
2014-08-14 02:42:27 PM  

qorkfiend: BojanglesPaladin: I will say this. There is a strong case to be made that Disney has a noticeable anticlerical bias in their movies. I lost a bet with someone over this, so I'll throw it out to the Fark team:

Off the top of your head, name any Disney depiction of a priest, monk, friar, reverend, cardinal, or other 'man of the cloth'.

Now how many of them are depicted in a negative light? Evil, drunk, bafoonish, uncaring, unhelpful, etc.
Now how many are depicted in a positive light?

I'm honestly having a tough time coming up with any clerical figures other than Friar Tuck and Rafiki. Did you have someone specific in mind?


There was the one from Hunchback of Notre Dame who had the song about people burning in hellfire.

/that's the only one I can think of that's depicted negatively
//your god is supposed to be omnipotent
///it doesn't need you to whiteknight it over cartoon movies intended for children
 
2014-08-14 02:43:03 PM  

abb3w: The former executive said one of the more subtle techniques is to incorporate the colors of the gay-pride flag in as many shots as possible. The colors are woven in as a wink and nod to the gay community and show up on shirts, hats, posters, stacked cups and rings. The practice has been picked up by other children's networks and national advertisers.


Because "rainbow" can only mean "gay", apparantly...

abb3w: Disney also pushes the gay agenda by introducing openly gay characters and couples on its children's programing. Again, that is their right, but should they be in the business of entertaining children or indoctrinating them?


Because children NEVER run into openly gay people, ever.

abb3w: Beyond its pro-gay agenda, which now includes halting funding to the Boy Scouts of America, Disney also leans left in its politics. Once again, that is their right. But going back to their children's programming, Michelle Obama has become a fixture on seemingly every Disney Channel show or Disney commercial, with President Barack Obama also incorporated in as many ways as possible.


I don't watch Disney, but I smell some grade D (for derp) bullshiat here.

Man, that guy sounds like a loon.  I don't know if I should thank you or hit you now, and that's a really odd feeling.
 
2014-08-14 02:46:12 PM  

skozlaw: It's YOUR turn to support YOUR thesis.


Not my thesis. I failed to disprove it. I am looking for Farkers to help with a list that disproves it.

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Why does it matter?


For you it doesn't, so there is no need for you to concern yourself with it I guess.

moothemagiccow: Which would be great if it were at all relevant to the topic at hand


Yeah a thread about how Disney insidiously inserts subliminal depictions into their product should not discuss disproving those allegations.

Or are you the thread police, and we will get a ticket if we stop talking about the gheys for a minute? No one asked you to post.
 
2014-08-14 02:47:34 PM  
BojanglesPaladin: once again I have tried to derail a thread and got my ass called out on it.
 
2014-08-14 02:49:32 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: ///it doesn't need you to whiteknight it over cartoon movies intended for children


Again, thank you for demonstrating how poor you are at reading.

I had a guy hit me with a long list of poor or negative depictions of men of the cloth in Disney films, many small, many trivial, and the only positive I could think of to counter was Friar Tuck from half a century ago and even then he was a gluton and a buffoon, though at least a good hearted one.

I figure Farkers in the aggregate have more knowledge than me, so I'm asking for any better examples than the one positive I could think of.
 
2014-08-14 02:52:25 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Not my thesis. I failed to disprove it. I am looking for Farkers to help with a list that disproves it.


Just as /b/ is not your personal army, fark is not your personal research staff.

BojanglesPaladin: No one asked you to post.


Same to you, buddy.
 
2014-08-14 02:53:43 PM  

Hickory-smoked: BojanglesPaladin: Now how many of them are depicted in a negative light? Evil, drunk, bafoonish, uncaring, unhelpful, etc.
Now how many are depicted in a positive light?

Well, you lost the bet, you tell us.

I can't think of any significant characters except Friar Tuck and Claude Frollo. And isn't Frollo Victor Hugo's responsibility?

This argument seems poorly thought out, even for you.


Stile4aly: Let's not forget the horny priest in Little Mermaid.

[www.oddfilms.com image 450x291]

That's his knee.


that's what she said
 
2014-08-14 02:53:56 PM  

friday13: Just as /b/ is not your personal army, fark is not your personal research staff.


Thank you for your input.
 
2014-08-14 02:53:59 PM  

Mikey1969: You guys want to know what the REAL gay agenda is?


It consists entirely of acting like a worthless imbecile until you're 27, then arranging to live with your sister for 2 years while you start school, in exchange for being nanny to her new daughter. 5 1/2 years later, you need to only be paying the internet bill as you are STILL going to school.

At least that is my brother in law's agenda.Goddamn leech. I really don't think he has much more of an agenda, except to hit the Pride Festival each year. Everything else is pretty much a play it by ear thing...


This Onion article is for you.

Homosexuality Only Thing Parents Can Accept About Son
 http://www.theonion.com/articles/homosexuality-only-thing-parents-c an- accept-about,36622/
 
2014-08-14 02:54:00 PM  

moothemagiccow: BojanglesPaladin: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Disney is not beholden to put any religious figure in a good, or bad light.

I have not said that Disney has an obligation to portray ANYONE, but thank you for wasting pixels on a point not being made.

It was pointed out to me, and my Weeners was 'bullshiat', but then I found I couldn't prove it wrong. Friar Tuck was the best I could think of and he's a bit of a gluttonous buffoon.

At the time there were a number I could think of, because at the time I paid a lot more attention to Disney. I think the Rescuers, buffon priests in various weddings, etc.

I'm actually just curious to see if anyone can think of more POSITIVE depictions of priests (and nuns and such) in Disney films.

Which would be great if it were at all relevant to the topic at hand and not your bizarre derailing of the thread with some whisper of an anti-priest anti-religious agenda that you can't even hold up. Disney isn't even limited to its animation studio so any point you want to make about there being some kind of conspiracy in its films that were all written and directed by different people is complete and utter nonsense. No one was going over the script and saying "hey let's shiat on the christians" like in your dreams where you're persecuted for your dumb farking beliefs.

Shut the fark up.


The idea of anti-clerical bias also assumes that Disney is somehow being more anti-clerical than the general background noise.  Otherwise it isn't a bias, because it isn't leaning away from the norm. So to have an anti-clerical bias, Disney would have to show more bad priests than the general culture. But the Bible spends way more of its time blasting priests than Disney does even depicting priests at all (and we've pretty much shown that Disney's output is at worst statistically neutral with depicting priests).  By BJPal's reasoning, Disney is more pro-clerical than Christianity.
 
2014-08-14 02:57:51 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: I don't think there's much question that Disney today leans left


How so? Admittedly I pay very little attention to Disney's exploits but they have always seemed entirely apolitical.
 
2014-08-14 03:00:33 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Not my thesis. I failed to disprove it. I am looking for Farkers to help with a list that disproves it.


In other words, you're trolling and disrupting things just to be a dick.

You should really consider honest employment as an alternative way to fill your time. It can be quite rewarding.
 
2014-08-14 03:00:40 PM  

phalamir: By BJPal's reasoning, Disney is more pro-clerical than Christianity.


Again, I am of the opinion that Disney meticulously avoids any clerical depictions at all, and I was arguing AGAINST the notion of an anti-clerical bias.

What was pointed out to me is that they mostly don't depict people of any faith, but when they do, it is usually in a somewhat negative light.

I still suspect that's a cherry-picked view, but don't have any info to DISPROVE it. The Googles and the Bings are not much help, as they are distracted by depictions of gheys, wimmens and minorities.
 
2014-08-14 03:02:02 PM  

skozlaw: In other words, you're trolling and disrupting things just to be a dick


You are free to post about Disney and they gheys all you want. I did above. Then I got bored and asked about a somewhat related topic. You are not required to participate.
 
2014-08-14 03:05:12 PM  
One change that did happen not too long ago with Disney is that they made the Disney Channel one that focused on girls and made Disney XD to focus on boys.
 
2014-08-14 03:07:39 PM  

skozlaw: Claude Frollo


phalamir: The Hunchback bishop.


The My Little Pony Killer: There was the one from Hunchback of Notre Dame who had the song about people burning in hellfire.


he was actually changed from an archdeacon (which is how he was portrayed in the original novel) to a judge. he was certainly religious, but the actual religious figure portrayed was archdeacon of the church - the guy who confronted frollo in the beginning and made him raise quasimodo
 
2014-08-14 03:08:49 PM  
csb time (and this time it's even kinda sorta on topic): growing up my parents loved taking us to disney world, i think i've been somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 times. anyway several years ago when my younger sister was like 7 our disney trip happened to coincide with gay days at the park. we were surrounded by both kinds of lesbians and lots of dudes in sparkly red shirts (red was apparently the chosen color that year) and my parents handled it surprisingly well. they've unfortunately trended more towards the tea party side of things since oh about jan 21, 2009, despite the fact that they were so horrified by the bush admin that they voted for obama. anyway, years later it turns out that my sister also happens to be a lesbian, though she hasn't come out to mom and dad explicitly yet (but really i can't see how they can't have picked up on the signs yet) and i can understand why she hasn't told them, as fox news seems to be on their tv at all times these days. but i just know that as soon as she does tell them my dad is going to think back to that disney trip and decide that was what turned her gay, and since he planned the trip it will all be his own fault. if it wasn't family it would be deliciously schadenfreudy. however since it is family i'm a bit apprehensive to see how it all plays out. absolute worst case scenario she can always crash with mrs i state your name and myself.
 
2014-08-14 03:10:03 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Or are you the thread police, and we will get a ticket if we stop talking about the gheys for a minute? No one asked you to post.


The difference is we're asking you not to post.
 
2014-08-14 03:10:55 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: I am of the opinion that Disney meticulously avoids any clerical depictions at all, and I was arguing AGAINST the notion of an anti-clerical bias.


In Victor Hugo's original text, Frollo was a church official - archdeacon of the Notre Dame cathedral. In the film version, he was turned into a judge - a secular government official, whose preoccupation with the gypsy lay in his view of them as "agents of moral decay" as opposed to deviants of the Church. The Gospel According to Disney said "Disney executives would have no part of Hugo's intent to criticise the church and its leaders for their failure to defend the poor and the powerless" and it was "too controversial". However, in an effort to be as faithful to the text as possible, "the animators did their best to subvert this order from above" by using his visual design to show he was a priest.
 
2014-08-14 03:11:52 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Well, you lost the bet, you tell us.

I can't think of any significant characters except Friar Tuck and Claude Frollo. And isn't Frollo Victor Hugo's responsibility?

This argument seems poorly thought out, even for you.


I for one am shocked by the idea of a cartoon character looking buffoonish.  Portraying traditional authority figures in more humanistic terms as having similar foibles and problems as the common man is something that goes beyond common decency.  Surely Disney never portrayed a judge, politician or police officer with such disrespect before.  If only there was a quick way of searching examples of his previous cartoons to prove my point.
 
2014-08-14 03:17:01 PM  
Thank you for the broken link.

This is like those old people who deal with email without a computer. Their friend prints out the email on a printer, connected to a "computer." The friend then puts the emails in an envelope, addresses it, and mails it, with proper postage, to the recipient.

This newspaper is a fabulous printout of the freeper index for the day.

Liberals must be code for educated white people who don't work in the financial trades.
 
2014-08-14 03:19:07 PM  

mrshowrules: Surely Disney never portrayed a judge, politician or police officer with such disrespect before.


Yeah, that was kinda a corollary to his argument. That Disney systematically undermined ANY establishment figure of authority. He had a whole 'seduction of the Innocent II Electric bugaloo' thing going.

But on that one issue, he may have a point. From evil Queens to inept mayors to corrupt English governors to diabolical cardinals and viziers, Disney movies DO kinda do that.

Doesn't mean it's an indoctrination conspiracy though. No one wants to watch a movie about the obedient hall monitor who does his duty.
 
2014-08-14 03:21:08 PM  

moothemagiccow: The difference is we're asking you not to post


That's why Drew gave you an ignore option. You are free to use it. I will not be offended. But I am happy to discuss the topic of Disney's purported indoctrination of children on more than just the gheys. You do not need to participate, and are free to have a discussion about rainbow flags for as long as you like. I already did all that.
 
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