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(Fox News)   Due to the U.S. troop withdrawal in 2011 and the rapid advance by Islamic militants, Iraq has been declared a humanitarian crisis. You know who to thank   (foxnews.com) divider line 209
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2014-08-14 08:30:59 AM  
The guy who invaded it for imaginary WMD? Or the guy left to clean up the mess and pay for it? Such a hard decision.
 
2014-08-14 08:32:57 AM  

DeaH: The guy who invaded it for imaginary WMD? Or the guy left to clean up the mess and pay for it? Such a hard decision.


done in one.
 
2014-08-14 08:37:02 AM  
Thanks, Taft.
 
2014-08-14 08:38:33 AM  

DeaH: The guy who invaded it for imaginary WMD? Or the guy left to clean up the mess and pay for it? Such a hard decision.


Don't be so simplistic there, libtardo.  How about owning up to some shared responsibility here?

There's also PNAC and the Neocons.
 
2014-08-14 08:49:06 AM  

Diogenes: DeaH: The guy who invaded it for imaginary WMD? Or the guy left to clean up the mess and pay for it? Such a hard decision.

Don't be so simplistic there, libtardo.  How about owning up to some shared responsibility here?

There's also PNAC and the Neocons.


To be fair, PNAC couldn't have predicted a blah president would be screwing things up.
 
2014-08-14 08:54:15 AM  

DeaH: The guy who invaded it for imaginary WMD? Or the guy left to clean up the mess and pay for it? Such a hard decision.


I broke it, you bought it.
 
2014-08-14 08:58:52 AM  
I don't know if I want to blame the guy who invaded for imaginary WMD or the guy who inherited responsibility for the mess and decided it wasn't his problem.  Such a hard decision..
 
2014-08-14 08:59:26 AM  
In before someone tries to blame it on Obama's lack of action on regards to Syria. Coincidentally these are usually the same people screaming that we're not the world's police when it comes to issues anywhere without oil.
 
2014-08-14 09:01:01 AM  
There's no question that Bush left an enormous task for anyone who succeeded him, but I don't see why it isn't fair to assess how things have been handled by the current President since it has now been almost six years and it's not like dealing with the after-effects of the Iraq War wasn't part of the job description when he decided to run for President. (Never mind the fact that the article is a straightforward news piece that mentions neither Bush nor Obama or assesses any sort of blame and the headline is just troll bait...)
 
2014-08-14 09:23:31 AM  

Lucky LaRue: I don't know if I want to blame the guy who invaded for imaginary WMD or the guy who inherited responsibility for the mess and decided it wasn't his problem.  Such a hard decision..


Decided what wasn't his problem? Maliki? He's the one who refused to sign the SOFA which is why we pulled out in 2011.
 
2014-08-14 09:24:38 AM  

Nabb1: why it isn't fair to assess how things have been handled by the current President


Perhaps there was no chance for anything other than a giant clusterfark, given the destabilizing effects of the invasion, poorly handled occupation, and massive corruption. The only thing holding the place together before was a brutal authoritarian government. Unless we want to recreate that, shiat is going to continue hitting the fan. Some things just can't be unfarked.
 
2014-08-14 09:24:44 AM  
The UN is the most evil, corrupt, socialist, anti - American organization on Earth.

Unless we can cite it to make Obama look bad!
 
2014-08-14 09:24:49 AM  

nekom: Thanks, Taft.


That fat bastard.
 
2014-08-14 09:33:11 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Lucky LaRue: I don't know if I want to blame the guy who invaded for imaginary WMD or the guy who inherited responsibility for the mess and decided it wasn't his problem.  Such a hard decision..

Decided what wasn't his problem? Maliki? He's the one who refused to sign the SOFA which is why we pulled out in 2011.


I'm curious if, from a herbal teabagger perspective, Obama is responsible for anything, or if he is completely irresponsible?
 
2014-08-14 09:34:33 AM  

Lucky LaRue: cameroncrazy1984: Lucky LaRue: I don't know if I want to blame the guy who invaded for imaginary WMD or the guy who inherited responsibility for the mess and decided it wasn't his problem.  Such a hard decision..

Decided what wasn't his problem? Maliki? He's the one who refused to sign the SOFA which is why we pulled out in 2011.

I'm curious if, from a herbal teabagger perspective, Obama is responsible for anything, or if he is completely irresponsible?


I'm curious if anyone else is responsible for anything, or is literally everything that happens his fault? It's really interesting that you won't comment on Maliki not signing the SOFA.
 
2014-08-14 09:40:20 AM  

DeaH: The guy who invaded it for imaginary WMD? Or the guy left to clean up the mess and pay for it? Such a hard decision.


This.  Also, which weapon system is the most effective at maintaining the cohesiveness of an artificially constructed country while simultaneously imposing American values?  Clearly whichever system that was, you didn't use/detonate enough of them.
 
2014-08-14 09:40:48 AM  

Nabb1: There's no question that Bush left an enormous task for anyone who succeeded him, but I don't see why it isn't fair to assess how things have been handled by the current President since it has now been almost six years


The much more proximate cause of the current troubles (than either Bush or Obama) is the former Al-Maliki government coupled with Iranian political influence. That's why they wouldn't sign the status of forces agreement.
 
2014-08-14 09:41:38 AM  

Lucky LaRue: I don't know if I want to blame the guy who invaded for imaginary WMD or the guy who inherited responsibility for the mess and decided it wasn't his problem.  Such a hard decision..


So you concede that Obama has a responsibility for cleaning up this GOP mess.  There is hope for you after-all.
 
2014-08-14 09:42:28 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Lucky LaRue: cameroncrazy1984: Lucky LaRue: I don't know if I want to blame the guy who invaded for imaginary WMD or the guy who inherited responsibility for the mess and decided it wasn't his problem.  Such a hard decision..

Decided what wasn't his problem? Maliki? He's the one who refused to sign the SOFA which is why we pulled out in 2011.

I'm curious if, from a herbal teabagger perspective, Obama is responsible for anything, or if he is completely irresponsible?

I'm curious if anyone else is responsible for anything, or is literally everything that happens his fault? It's really interesting that you won't comment on Maliki not signing the SOFA.


I blame Obama for Lucky LaRue's dumb posts.
 
2014-08-14 09:49:37 AM  
This would have happened no matter when we left. Should we have stayed forever?
 
2014-08-14 09:52:04 AM  

mrshowrules: So you concede that Obama has a responsibility for cleaning up this GOP mess


Any action by the current American executive would necessarily be constrained by the host country. The Maliki government specifically asked for help in this instance--and refused it before now. Also, while Mr. Bush retains primary responsibility for the invasion of Iraq, let's not forget a healthy amount of Democratic politicians also voted to endorse that action. Its a failure of a neoconservative ideology, not a specific political party.
 
2014-08-14 10:02:24 AM  

Somacandra: mrshowrules: So you concede that Obama has a responsibility for cleaning up this GOP mess

Any action by the current American executive would necessarily be constrained by the host country. The Maliki government specifically asked for help in this instance--and refused it before now. Also, while Mr. Bush retains primary responsibility for the invasion of Iraq, let's not forget a healthy amount of Democratic politicians also voted to endorse that action. Its a failure of a neoconservative ideology, not a specific political party.


A lot of democrats voted based upon cherry-picked intelligence handed to them by the Bush administration. That doesn't excuse them entirely, however.
 
2014-08-14 10:02:36 AM  
I'll thank Obama that we're mostly out of there and thus it's no longer our problem.
 
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2014-08-14 10:04:40 AM  
Exxon, BP, & Shell oil companies.......k/dar
 
2014-08-14 10:07:39 AM  

DeaH: The guy who invaded it for imaginary WMD? Or the guy left to clean up the mess and pay for it? Such a hard decision.


Miss me yet?
 
2014-08-14 10:10:01 AM  
Is this where we suggest making the entire area a glass parking lot and be done with it?
 
2014-08-14 10:13:25 AM  

grokca: nekom: Thanks, Taft.

That fat bastard.


Hey, we're just talkin' about Taft...
 
2014-08-14 10:14:35 AM  

DeaH: The guy who invaded it for imaginary WMD? Or the guy left to clean up the mess and pay for it? Such a hard decision.


yup.

Imagine if we'd let it be and not bombed the holy fark out of it and destroyed any practical establishments that existed to maintain any kind of order whatsoever.

At least we're not the ones doing the killing now.
 
2014-08-14 10:15:59 AM  

tnpir: Is this where we suggest making the entire area a glass parking lot and be done with it?


I suppose it would solve the humanitarian crisis, but you'd have to be sure it got everyone.
 
2014-08-14 10:20:51 AM  

Somacandra: mrshowrules: So you concede that Obama has a responsibility for cleaning up this GOP mess

Any action by the current American executive would necessarily be constrained by the host country. The Maliki government specifically asked for help in this instance--and refused it before now. Also, while Mr. Bush retains primary responsibility for the invasion of Iraq, let's not forget a healthy amount of Democratic politicians also voted to endorse that action. Its a failure of a neoconservative ideology, not a specific political party.


It is 99.9% a failure of Republican and conservative ideology, so BSAB. Congress went along and decided to prevent Condi's "smoking gun being a mushroom cloud" and whatnot along with farking Powell and his little vial of poison and their fancy taco trucksmobile chem warfare labs. All lies. All designed to gain the support of the US and Congress.

So, a concerted effort by the top echelon of the conservative Republicans to lie, cheat and steal their way to a war they worked diligently to plan for almost a decade prior - well before some other assholes flew planes into buildings. Sure, there are plenty of Democrats that are right-wing ideologues who go along with the batshiat insane Republicans and, worse even, sign on to their entire plan for force projection, but luckily they're often voted out.

But so was Feingold, so BSA, really, B. Or something.
 
2014-08-14 10:24:29 AM  

hubiestubert: grokca: nekom: Thanks, Taft.

That fat bastard.

Hey, we're just talkin' about Taft...


And we can dig it!

So.. the crisis is Iraq has intensified to the point where the UN has now declared it a Level 3 emergency triggering more aid and the like. On the happier news front the Yazidi's situation seems to be less dire than feared. Likely due to US air strikes hampering ISIS incursions into Kurdish territory. Beyond that everyone seems to be pinning a lot of hopes on the new government being more (read: at least partially) inclusive than the old Maliki-led one leading to a more cohesive and effective military to fight the ISIS idiots. Yet more jihadi-wannabe idiots continue to trickle into Iraq from outside the country.

What a shiat storm.
 
2014-08-14 10:24:33 AM  
Can I go ahead and thank Maliki? The guy who tried to rid Sunnis from all political influence in Iraq, giving ISIS a convenient ally once they decided they wanted some land of their own? Sometimes the United States isn't the center of the universe.
 
2014-08-14 10:25:36 AM  

Somacandra: mrshowrules: So you concede that Obama has a responsibility for cleaning up this GOP mess

Any action by the current American executive would necessarily be constrained by the host country. The Maliki government specifically asked for help in this instance--and refused it before now. Also, while Mr. Bush retains primary responsibility for the invasion of Iraq, let's not forget a healthy amount of Democratic politicians also voted to endorse that action. Its a failure of a neoconservative ideology, not a specific political party.


Well, that and years of interventionist policy, which has led to a lot of folks in the Middle East a bit skeptical of any actions taken by the US within their borders. From the dismantling of Iranian democracy and the installation of the Shah, to the abandoning of Afghanistan's "freedom fighters" in ousting the Russians, to the repeated pummeling that the Iraqis have endured by the US, and the fairly well acknowledged propping up of Saddam when it was convenient to oppose the boogeyman created by the seizure of Iran by Fundamentalists, and the dismantling of that same leader when he overstepped his bounds.

It's not Greeks bearing gifts that folks in the region are wary of, but any time the US government sticks its nose into affairs in the Middle East, folks are checking to see not IF there's a bomb attached, but what the timer is set for, so that they can get a safe distance by the time it reaches that critical point.

Iran, Iraq, there are a LOT of folks who just plain don't trust any damn thing we do, and that's for good reason. The US has proven, time and again, how schizophrenic our system of governance can be, and even IF the US helps, that's no guarantee that it won't have some downside down the road. US policy in the region is sporadic at best, and serves pretty much our own interests, and folks have learned that the hard way. It's not to be laid solely upon GW's doorstep, certainly, though, the current situation does have some issue with that particular decision to roll in and knock the stuffing out of their government without much of a plan on how to integrate the state back into a legitimate and useful form.

Obama's handling of the situation that he was handed has been scattershot, because I think he wants to believe that these folks can get their sh*t together, and put the damn axes and guns away, but this is a mess generations in the making, and generations of US backed policy that are coming home to roost.
 
2014-08-14 10:38:35 AM  

Somacandra: mrshowrules: So you concede that Obama has a responsibility for cleaning up this GOP mess

Any action by the current American executive would necessarily be constrained by the host country. The Maliki government specifically asked for help in this instance--and refused it before now. Also, while Mr. Bush retains primary responsibility for the invasion of Iraq, let's not forget a healthy amount of Democratic politicians also voted to endorse that action. Its a failure of a neoconservative ideology, not a specific political party.


I don't think Obama on won had can take credit for ending a war and on the other hand claim that his hands were tied in ending it.  I give Obama credit for ending the war.  I also give credit for bombing ISIS today.  Using the military for a military objective (slowing/stopping an advancing enemy army) with the permission of the host country.  All good.

Obama is trying to hard to have the GOP like and they are going to continue hating him no matter what.  He needs to strut a bit more.  His response should be "damn straight I left Iraq and damn straight we aren't going back but if ISIS thinks they are going to take over Iraq they should know that we plan to bomb the shiat out of them".

Also, technically Democrats did not vote to go to war in Iraq.  They voted to give Bush the ability to go to war if he thought it was necessary.  When Bush Jr. ramped up towards the invasion and got to the point that the weapons inspectors were climbing up Saddam's colon with a microscope and than withdrawn, it would have been brilliant and the greatest possible outcome for everyone.  He needed a Congressional mandate for that to have been a real possibility but he completely farked it up.  I blame the GOP 100% for the entire mess except Bush Sr. who was the last GOP politician to demonstrate a clue about war and strategic foreign relations.
 
2014-08-14 10:52:07 AM  

Lucky LaRue: I don't know if I want to blame the guy who invaded for imaginary WMD or the guy who inherited responsibility for the mess and decided it wasn't his problem.  Such a hard decision..


You mean the guy that followed the withdrawal agreement signed by the guy who invaded for imaginary WMD?

Yeah, real hard.
 
2014-08-14 10:54:44 AM  

Lucky LaRue: I'm curious if, from a herbal teabagger perspective, Obama is responsible for anything, or if he is completely irresponsible?


Yeah...that herbal teabagger thing only make you look dumb.

And Obama is responsible for the things he is responsible for.  The Iraqi clusterfark responsibility lies elsewhere.

And yes, you are curious.
 
2014-08-14 10:55:41 AM  
French diplomat François Georges-Picot and British Sir Mark Sykes?
 
2014-08-14 10:59:04 AM  
"When her own milk ran out, she suckled him from a mountain goat".

...delivered completely straight. I haven't laughed that hard in a coon's age.
 
2014-08-14 11:08:04 AM  
Ah yes, yet another instance of a republican manufactured clusterfark that the Democratic President is supposed to magically fix. And if he doesn't fix it in a week, he's the failure, not the GOP clowns that created the mess.
 
2014-08-14 11:53:41 AM  

Diogenes: DeaH: The guy who invaded it for imaginary WMD? Or the guy left to clean up the mess and pay for it? Such a hard decision.

Don't be so simplistic there, libtardo.  How about owning up to some shared responsibility here?

There's also PNAC and the Neocons.


You left out the status of forces agreement W signed on his way out as a final FU
 
2014-08-14 12:07:50 PM  
2004:

"So there's three sects of people in Iraq, the Shia, the Sunni and the Kurds. So we're thinking about forming a government where all three sects can-"

"Just put the Shias in charge."

"What?"

"I pick the Shias. Go with them."

"Uh...okay, but the Sunni and Kurds-"

"Just DO IT."

And now we have what we have today. Thanks, Obama.
 
2014-08-14 12:18:52 PM  

Lando Lincoln: 2004:

"So there's three sects of people in Iraq, the Shia, the Sunni and the Kurds. So we're thinking about forming a government where all three sects can-"

"Just put the Shias in charge."

"What?"

"I pick the Shias. Go with them."

"Uh...okay, but the Sunni and Kurds-"

"Just DO IT."

And now we have what we have today. Thanks, Obama.


What you really need there is some type of military strong man that rules the country primarily on a secular basis.
 
2014-08-14 12:22:43 PM  
The President of Iraq not wanting to allow US troops to be stationed there any longer?
 
2014-08-14 12:23:04 PM  

DeaH: The guy who invaded it for imaginary WMD? Or the guy left to clean up the mess and pay for it? Such a hard decision.


You mean the weapons that ISIS got their hands on in Syria?
 
2014-08-14 12:23:14 PM  
After Jeb Bush cleans up Obama's mess(es), can we call it even?
 
2014-08-14 12:27:05 PM  

Lucky LaRue: I'm curious if, from a herbal teabagger perspective, Obama is responsible for anything, or if he is completely irresponsible?


Everything was going swimmingly over there until Prezidon't Fartdolf Tootler fired an ass biscuit across the bow of liberty.  Now, it's just a big mess.

/wtf is an herbal teabagger?
 
2014-08-14 12:28:06 PM  

meat0918: The President of Iraq not wanting to allow US troops to be stationed there any longer?


False assumption that American troops there would have changed anything or not have made things worse.  When you fight a proxy war in a country, that country is farked no matter what.
 
2014-08-14 12:28:15 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: DeaH: The guy who invaded it for imaginary WMD? Or the guy left to clean up the mess and pay for it? Such a hard decision.

You mean the weapons that ISIS got their hands on in Syria?



I hadn't heard this particular derp yet. When did this talking point come out?
 
2014-08-14 12:29:03 PM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: After Jeb Bush cleans up Obama's mess(es), can we call it even?


A Republican that cleans up messes instead of making more? That's a novel concept. When can you get us a prototype?
 
2014-08-14 12:29:04 PM  
When do we start hearing the hawks calling for the glass parking lot option for the entire Middle East?
 
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