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(Action A Go-Go)   Bond villain like accent? Check. Former martial arts champion? Check. Former stunt woman? Check. Current well known female director? Check. Ok, it's time for Lexi Alexander to become the first woman to direct a Marvel movie   (actionagogo.com) divider line 48
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2014-08-14 09:57:21 AM  
Let her do "Black Widow" and let the awesome commence.
 
2014-08-14 12:23:25 PM  
gotta admit, never saw Punisher: War Zone.  how was her directing in that?
 
2014-08-14 12:25:17 PM  
Meh, I'm just not sure if a Black Widow movie really works. Both she and Hawkeye would work better as supporting characters. Maybe they could word if you did a smaller scale movie with less superheroics, but that would pretty much be the Bourne Legacy and I've already seen that movie. If you are going to do a female superhero from Marvel, Captain Marvel is more the way to go than Black Widow.
 
2014-08-14 12:25:33 PM  
I don't know if Black Widow is the way to go, but I would love to see Marvel do a female superhero movie. If for no other reason than to expose DC's position on a Wonder Woman movie as absurd.
 
2014-08-14 12:27:14 PM  
How do you have a petition about gender inequality in the Marvel Cinematic universe without giving props to  Maurissa Tancharoen?

/Stupid feminists are stupid.
 
2014-08-14 12:29:24 PM  
She was hilarious on the Punisher: War Zone episode of "How Did This Get Made," especially with Patton Oswalt egging her on.
 
2014-08-14 12:38:43 PM  

technoblogical: How do you have a petition about gender inequality in the Marvel Cinematic universe without giving props to  Maurissa Tancharoen?

/Stupid feminists are stupid.


Agents of SHIELD isn't really a first tier part of the MCU. Saying that the only female director in their organization is working on a second tier TV show works more for the feminists than for Marvel.
 
2014-08-14 12:46:28 PM  

Rwa2play: Let her do "Black Widow" and let the awesome commence.


Just go watch "Haywire" and leave it alone.
 
2014-08-14 12:50:45 PM  
Also, having the internet pick who directs a movie is almost as bad as having a movie designed by committee. It pretty much goes against what has made the MCU movies a success in getting unexpected directors with an interesting vision of their movie into the chair. When selecting directors for The Winter Soldier or Guardians of the Galaxy, would an online petition have chosen the guys who did episodes of Community or the guy who directed Super? It just lends itself to groupthink, which is what will kill everything that is good in the MCU.

Also, there is a very specific plan for the MCU, and all of the movies in Phase 2 so far have fit in with that plan:

Iron Man 3 - Lay groundwork for Ultron and Vision with JARVIS remote controlling the armor, Tony wanting to focus more on his personal life
Thor 2 - Introduce the Infinity Stones, get Loki into position for future movies
The Winter Soldier - Upset the status quo and reintroduce Bucky and HYDRA, setting the stage for Ultron to be built
Guardians of the Galaxy - Move the Infinity Gauntlet storyline further along, introduce Cosmic elements like the Celestials and Nova Corps

There's just not a lot of room in the schedule to do a side story that might be hard to fit in something that lays the groundwork for a future storyline. I'm all for a female-led Marvel movie, but forcing them to add a movie into a carefully considered schedule is not going to help, especially if it winds up being not essential to the overall storylines being moved forward, and being something that some viewers can feel like they can skip. They could easily do another Hulk movie with Ruffalo and make a tidy profit as well, but right now they aren't because the overall story just doesn't really need a new Hulk movie and they don't want to put out so many movies a year that viewers are overwhlemed. I'd much rather have an awesome female-led movie when the time is right for her story to be told.
 
2014-08-14 01:00:37 PM  

Mad_Radhu: There's just not a lot of room in the schedule to do a side story that might be hard to fit in something that lays the groundwork for a future storyline.


The time to do it would have been before The Avengers.

Instead, we got teased references to a backstory that sounded pretty cool (Budapest) and references an apparently major comics storyline (or at least major for Hawk & Widow), and two people we'd never seen before sort of shoehorned in (well, we'd seen Hawk in Thor, but you get my point).

It works overall, but I think, based on what we know now, that would have been the best time.
 
2014-08-14 01:02:29 PM  

skyotter: gotta admit, never saw Punisher: War Zone.  how was her directing in that?


If you go into it with the right frame of mind it is freaking awesome.

/the correct frame of mind is "it's a farking Punisher Movie...let's fark some shait up"
 
2014-08-14 01:05:47 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Rwa2play: Let her do "Black Widow" and let the awesome commence.

Just go watch "Haywire" and leave it alone.


But then we never find out what really happened in Budapest!  INQUIRING MINDS NEED TO KNOW~!
 
2014-08-14 01:06:17 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Also, having the internet pick who directs a movie is almost as bad as having a movie designed by committee. It pretty much goes against what has made the MCU movies a success in getting unexpected directors with an interesting vision of their movie into the chair. When selecting directors for The Winter Soldier or Guardians of the Galaxy, would an online petition have chosen the guys who did episodes of Community or the guy who directed Super? It just lends itself to groupthink, which is what will kill everything that is good in the MCU.

Also, there is a very specific plan for the MCU, and all of the movies in Phase 2 so far have fit in with that plan:

Iron Man 3 - Lay groundwork for Ultron and Vision with JARVIS remote controlling the armor, Tony wanting to focus more on his personal life
Thor 2 - Introduce the Infinity Stones, get Loki into position for future movies
The Winter Soldier - Upset the status quo and reintroduce Bucky and HYDRA, setting the stage for Ultron to be built
Guardians of the Galaxy - Move the Infinity Gauntlet storyline further along, introduce Cosmic elements like the Celestials and Nova Corps

There's just not a lot of room in the schedule to do a side story that might be hard to fit in something that lays the groundwork for a future storyline. I'm all for a female-led Marvel movie, but forcing them to add a movie into a carefully considered schedule is not going to help, especially if it winds up being not essential to the overall storylines being moved forward, and being something that some viewers can feel like they can skip. They could easily do another Hulk movie with Ruffalo and make a tidy profit as well, but right now they aren't because the overall story just doesn't really need a new Hulk movie and they don't want to put out so many movies a year that viewers are overwhlemed. I'd much rather have an awesome female-led movie when the time is right for her story to be told.


Well said, but in simpler terms, could she make a Marvel movie? Edgar Wright couldn't. Also, timing is a key aspect in making MCU movies, which is why they've bumped the movie count from 2 to 3 in both 2017 and 2018.

Just sit back and be a fanboy/girl on the receiving end, people. It's worked out pretty well so far.
 
2014-08-14 01:12:02 PM  
I didn't know who she is, so I checked out her IMDB page. I still don't know who she is.
 
2014-08-14 01:13:20 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: If you go into it with the right frame of mind it is freaking awesome./the correct frame of mind is "it's a farking Punisher Movie...let's fark some shait up"


There is no right mindset for a movie where a 'insane patient' eats a fat guy's heart. It's just silly, not even schlocky.
 
2014-08-14 01:14:13 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: If you go into it with the right frame of mind it is freaking awesome./the correct frame of mind is "it's a farking Punisher Movie...let's fark some shait up"

There is no right mindset for a movie where a 'insane patient' eats a fat guy's heart. It's just silly, not even schlocky.


He was bound and determined to get his applesauce
 
2014-08-14 01:14:47 PM  
Widow's and Hawkeye's Budapest is like Doctor Who's Nightmare Child (in the Time War) -- it should never, ever be explained, extrapolated, or shown on-screen (yeah, I know there's a brief clip in Avengers, someone else watching old footage of them or something).

some things are best left to the viewer's imagination, and showing what "really" happened will never be as good as what we *imagine* happened.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoodleIncident
 
2014-08-14 01:30:04 PM  

skyotter: Widow's and Hawkeye's Budapest is like Doctor Who's Nightmare Child (in the Time War) -- it should never, ever be explained, extrapolated, or shown on-screen (yeah, I know there's a brief clip in Avengers, someone else watching old footage of them or something).

some things are best left to the viewer's imagination, and showing what "really" happened will never be as good as what we *imagine* happened.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoodleIncident


Not just the Nightmare Child but the whole Time War in and of itself.

In TV terms it would be like seasons 3 and 4(?) of "Babylon 5" expanded into 2 more seasons worth.  In movie terms I don't think there's enough money in Hollywood to make the amount of movies needed to cover the whole thing.
 
2014-08-14 01:55:13 PM  
Can we get an online petition to make Black Widow an actual Russian spy rather than a Hollywood hottie with an intermittent terrible accent?
 
2014-08-14 01:58:51 PM  
Who? The Internet really needs a better list of entertainers I've never heard of.
 
2014-08-14 02:00:54 PM  
Oh, it's a petition. Here I thought she was actually doing it.

But sure, why not? She ain't half bad. I liked "Hooligans".
 
2014-08-14 02:02:10 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Also, having the internet pick who directs a movie is almost as bad as having a movie designed by committee. It pretty much goes against what has made the MCU movies a success in getting unexpected directors with an interesting vision of their movie into the chair. When selecting directors for The Winter Soldier or Guardians of the Galaxy, would an online petition have chosen the guys who did episodes of Community or the guy who directed Super? It just lends itself to groupthink, which is what will kill everything that is good in the MCU.

Also, there is a very specific plan for the MCU, and all of the movies in Phase 2 so far have fit in with that plan:

Iron Man 3 - Lay groundwork for Ultron and Vision with JARVIS remote controlling the armor, Tony wanting to focus more on his personal life
Thor 2 - Introduce the Infinity Stones, get Loki into position for future movies
The Winter Soldier - Upset the status quo and reintroduce Bucky and HYDRA, setting the stage for Ultron to be built
Guardians of the Galaxy - Move the Infinity Gauntlet storyline further along, introduce Cosmic elements like the Celestials and Nova Corps

There's just not a lot of room in the schedule to do a side story that might be hard to fit in something that lays the groundwork for a future storyline. I'm all for a female-led Marvel movie, but forcing them to add a movie into a carefully considered schedule is not going to help, especially if it winds up being not essential to the overall storylines being moved forward, and being something that some viewers can feel like they can skip. They could easily do another Hulk movie with Ruffalo and make a tidy profit as well, but right now they aren't because the overall story just doesn't really need a new Hulk movie and they don't want to put out so many movies a year that viewers are overwhlemed. I'd much rather have an awesome female-led movie when the time is right for her story to be told.


Counterpoint:  You make DC sit there looking like fools with the whole 'Wonder Woman is too complicated for people to understand" line*.  You practically force them to rush through a WW movie to compete, meaning even a poor BW film will look good in comparison.  Lastly, more Scarlett Johansson in skin-tight leather.  Literally no downsides.

*How hard to understand is "Sexy Greek chick in revealing undies with a 'tie me up' fetsih, that sometimes high-kicks bad guys"?
 
2014-08-14 02:02:45 PM  

serial arseonist: Can we get an online petition to make Black Widow an actual Russian spy rather than a Hollywood hottie with an intermittent terrible accent?


get that real Russian redhead spy that was caught a few years back
 
2014-08-14 02:08:00 PM  

skyotter: gotta admit, never saw Punisher: War Zone.  how was her directing in that?


I hated it the first time I watched it, but then watched it again after hearing her speak about her choices and vision for the film and she pretty much nailed it.
 
2014-08-14 02:10:25 PM  

serial arseonist: Can we get an online petition to make Black Widow an actual Russian spy rather than a Hollywood hottie with an intermittent terrible accent?


Blame a REALLY terrible agent for that. We could have had Emily Blunt as Black Widow had that terrible Gulliver's Travels movie she signed on for not conflicted with Iron Man 2 and forced her to have to bow out.
 
2014-08-14 02:12:03 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: skyotter: gotta admit, never saw Punisher: War Zone.  how was her directing in that?

If you go into it with the right frame of mind it is freaking awesome.

/the correct frame of mind is "it's a farking Punisher Movie...let's fark some shait up"


I went into it with exactly that frame of mind and still hated it.

It was nothing wrong with her direction, mind you - rather, it was everything else. Stevenson wasn't that good as Castle (especially in light of Thomas Jane), West and Hutchinson (yeah, THAT Hutchinson) were one-note at best, and the rest of the elements were lacking or just bad. I even had issues with the gunplay - in this movie, Frank Castle apparently has to change guns every 2.6 seconds.

The next Punisher movie needs to follow the lead of the 2004 movie and/or Loose Change and either bring Jane back or get Frank Grillo to do it.
 
2014-08-14 02:14:09 PM  

Mad_Radhu: serial arseonist: Can we get an online petition to make Black Widow an actual Russian spy rather than a Hollywood hottie with an intermittent terrible accent?

Blame a REALLY terrible agent for that. We could have had Emily Blunt as Black Widow had that terrible Gulliver's Travels movie she signed on for not conflicted with Iron Man 2 and forced her to have to bow out.


As much as I would be OK with this...we'd then have significantly less Scarlett Johansson being badass, and I am definitely not OK with that.
 
2014-08-14 02:14:31 PM  
Pretty sad that being a female director for a comic book movie has to be pre-qualified by practically being a superhero while being a male director for those same movies means that you just like big explosions.
 
2014-08-14 02:15:51 PM  

phalamir: Counterpoint:  You make DC sit there looking like fools with the whole 'Wonder Woman is too complicated for people to understand" line*.  You practically force them to rush through a WW movie to compete, meaning even a poor BW film will look good in comparison.  Lastly, more Scarlett Johansson in skin-tight leather.  Literally no downsides.


Yeah, but at this point I don't really think Marvel even cares what DC is doing, as shown by their scheduling of Captain America 3 turing into a re-enactment of his "no you move" moment from Civil War. They have created a brand that audiences trust almost as much as they do Pixar, and the worst thing they can do is to dilute that brand by putting out so many movies that the quality suffers just to make DC look bad.
 
2014-08-14 02:24:29 PM  
I'd rather have a Black Cat movie.

Or is that owned by Fox as well?
 
2014-08-14 02:27:18 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: skyotter: gotta admit, never saw Punisher: War Zone.  how was her directing in that?

I hated it the first time I watched it, but then watched it again after hearing her speak about her choices and vision for the film and she pretty much nailed it.


www.geekexchange.com
Perfectly emblematic of P:WZ.

// if it's too silly for you, the Tom Jane one is played more seriously (and is a better movie overall)
// only way to make it sillier would be to add Barracuda
 
2014-08-14 02:27:53 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Pretty sad that being a female director for a comic book movie has to be pre-qualified by practically being a superhero while being a male director for those same movies means that you just like big explosions.


Like I mentioned upthread, where were the big Baysplosions in the resumes for Joss Whedon, John Favreau, James Gunn, the Russo brothers? Marvel seems to be looking for directors that are more focused on character and story than action. Understanding fight choreography is probably down near the bottom of the list of things they are looking for because that part of making an action movie is relatively easy compared to bringing the best out of the character moments.

Remember, what makes Marvel comics special is the focus on the humanity of the characters, and so far the people in charge of the MCU really get that and are picking great directors for the job.
 
2014-08-14 02:28:32 PM  

ranak: I'd rather have a Black Cat movie.

Or is that owned by Fox as well?


Sony.
 
2014-08-14 02:32:44 PM  

ranak: I'd rather have a Black Cat movie.

Or is that owned by Fox as well?


hell ya.

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2014-08-14 02:36:01 PM  
Wow, P:WZ cost $35 million to make and only made $10 million. No wonder she hasn't done more movies. I would have guessed $15.

If they are really going to make a Black Widow movie, Marvel would be wise to go with Kathryn Bigelow. There's just about no part of the story she hasn't already handled.
 
2014-08-14 02:46:08 PM  
I sure then petitioner's hearts are in the right place, but it's like they are saying, well, a woman can only direct a superheroine movie. "She's like the best female director, I guess she could pull of a Black Widow movie...because estrogen or something."
 
2014-08-14 03:04:41 PM  

Old Man Winter: I sure then petitioner's hearts are in the right place, but it's like they are saying, well, a woman can only direct a superheroine movie. "She's like the best female director, I guess she could pull of a Black Widow movie...because estrogen or something."


that was actually my first thought, too.  "why Black Widow?  why not the Punisher or something?"

and *then* I read her filmography and saw Punisher: War Zone and laughed.
 
2014-08-14 03:42:34 PM  

Old Man Winter: I sure then petitioner's hearts are in the right place, but it's like they are saying, well, a woman can only direct a superheroine movie. "She's like the best female director, I guess she could pull of a Black Widow movie...because estrogen or something."


I'm outside my realm of familiarity with comic books in general, but one would think they'd want to consider the perspective of their target demographic. Just guessing here, but I'm betting that isn't female.
 
2014-08-14 04:17:10 PM  
Considering that Marvel already has their film lineup for the next 3 or so years, it isn't going to happen.

I doubt Disney is going to inject anything into the main arc at this stage and Black Widow is too prominant to feature in a tie-in side project (like Agents).

They also have the "Agent Carter" series launching in January, so they don't need a token project with a woman lead.
 
2014-08-14 04:27:30 PM  
Mad_Radhu: ranak:  I'd rather have a Black Cat movie.

Or is that owned by Fox as well?

Sony.


Sony, huh?  So you're saying we could get a Black Cat hentai movie?  Hmm... might work...
 
2014-08-14 04:33:25 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Like I mentioned upthread, where were the big Baysplosions in the resumes for Joss Whedon, John Favreau, James Gunn, the Russo brothers? Marvel seems to be looking for directors that are more focused on character and story than action. Understanding fight choreography is probably down near the bottom of the list of things they are looking for because that part of making an action movie is relatively easy compared to bringing the best out of the character moments.

Remember, what makes Marvel comics special is the focus on the humanity of the characters, and so far the people in charge of the MCU really get that and are picking great directors for the job.


And they have done quite well with the fight scenes. Like you said it is easy... as long as the director is willing to let someone else own that role if it isn't a skill they really have. Bow to the experience of the professional fight choreographer who you hired to fill in that part of the script.

SewerSquirrels: I'm outside my realm of familiarity with comic books in general, but one would think they'd want to consider the perspective of their target demographic. Just guessing here, but I'm betting that isn't female.


Given how well these movies have been doing it is clear their target demographic is "human being who watches blockbuster movies" and not "stereotypical basement dwelling male nerds and teenage boys"
 
2014-08-14 05:14:13 PM  

skyotter: gotta admit, never saw Punisher: War Zone.  how was her directing in that?


It's a pretty bad movie. Ray Stephenson made a good Punisher though. When I saw he was cast, I was expecting MAX series sorta film. Instead we got a neon mess with horrible acting from Doug Hutchison.
 
2014-08-14 07:22:04 PM  
Let's see... chick superhero movies...

Elektra (2005)
Budget: $43M
Gross: $24M

Catwoman (2004)
Budget: $100M
Gross: $40M

I don't think we'll be seeing a "Black Widow" movie any time soon...
 
2014-08-14 07:45:58 PM  

baconbeard: Let's see... chick superhero movies...

Elektra (2005)
Budget: $43M
Gross: $24M

Catwoman (2004)
Budget: $100M
Gross: $40M

I don't think we'll be seeing a "Black Widow" movie any time soon...


If Disney put out a good "Black Widow" movie as part of the MCU in the next couple years, it would make a pile of money. And I could see them doing it once the main story being developed is over.

If they put out some shiatty stand alone movie (like Catwoman or Electra, hell the only reason to watch those movies was Halle Berry and Jennifer Garner in tight leather outfits).

With the way the MCU has been going, if they can sell an Ant-Man film, they can sell a Black Widow one.
 
2014-08-14 08:13:53 PM  

Clutch2013: Mad_Radhu: serial arseonist: Can we get an online petition to make Black Widow an actual Russian spy rather than a Hollywood hottie with an intermittent terrible accent?

Blame a REALLY terrible agent for that. We could have had Emily Blunt as Black Widow had that terrible Gulliver's Travels movie she signed on for not conflicted with Iron Man 2 and forced her to have to bow out.

As much as I would be OK with this...we'd then have significantly less Scarlett Johansson being badass, and I am definitely not OK with that.


Plus, the hockey threads would have been deprived of a memorable meme.
 
2014-08-14 08:23:58 PM  

Mad_Radhu: ranak: I'd rather have a Black Cat movie.

Or is that owned by Fox as well?

Sony.


She was technically been introduced in ASM2 being played by Felicity Jones.  Of course she could end up like Billy Dee Williams in Batman and be recast without a word.
 
2014-08-14 08:41:54 PM  

LucklessWonder: She was hilarious on the Punisher: War Zone episode of "How Did This Get Made," especially with Patton Oswalt egging her on.


This. I recommend the podcast in general, its pretty amusing, but Alexander and Oswalt's episode in particular is fascinating.
 
2014-08-15 03:46:45 PM  
that punisher movie was sad.

looked okay i guess, but the way it mangled the ennis run is inexcusable.

just turn every ennis punisher max trade into a movie and you will have a multiple decade franchise, easy.
 
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