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(Slate)   "It's quite difficult to get removed from a sex offender registry," says columnist who doesn't explain why she knows this   (slate.com) divider line 39
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2014-08-14 07:36:05 PM  
I just checked my current address and there aren't any within a mile of me. I got four hits when searching for my old house, though. One of which shares a last name with the people who used to live across the street.
 
2014-08-14 07:50:09 PM  
I'm curious...are Farkers the kind of people who just wanna know who the creeps are in their area so they an keep an eye out, or are they the type to find an address, go on over with a baseball bat and gently 'persuade' the creep to move elsewhere. Don't think we have a public-access sex offender registry in Ontario, never bothered to check.
 
2014-08-14 08:08:19 PM  

gopher321: I'm curious...are Farkers the kind of people who just wanna know who the creeps are in their area so they an keep an eye out, or are they the type to find an address, go on over with a baseball bat and gently 'persuade' the creep to move elsewhere. Don't think we have a public-access sex offender registry in Ontario, never bothered to check.


Farkers are the creeps.
 
2014-08-14 08:31:52 PM  

EvilEgg: gopher321: I'm curious...are Farkers the kind of people who just wanna know who the creeps are in their area so they an keep an eye out, or are they the type to find an address, go on over with a baseball bat and gently 'persuade' the creep to move elsewhere. Don't think we have a public-access sex offender registry in Ontario, never bothered to check.

Farkers are the creeps.


That's so obvious I don't even know why it had to be said.
 
2014-08-14 08:55:51 PM  

gopher321: I'm curious...are Farkers the kind of people who just wanna know who the creeps are in their area so they an keep an eye out, or are they the type to find an address, go on over with a baseball bat and gently 'persuade' the creep to move elsewhere. Don't think we have a public-access sex offender registry in Ontario, never bothered to check.


Since sexual offenses are grossly more likely to be perpetrated by friends or family than 'strangers in vans'...
 
2014-08-14 08:58:01 PM  
I agree that child rapist and molesters should be lifetime members. But mooning people when you're 18 should not qualify as lifetime sex offender (happened to a friend).
 
2014-08-14 08:58:18 PM  

kroonermanblack: gopher321: I'm curious...are Farkers the kind of people who just wanna know who the creeps are in their area so they an keep an eye out, or are they the type to find an address, go on over with a baseball bat and gently 'persuade' the creep to move elsewhere. Don't think we have a public-access sex offender registry in Ontario, never bothered to check.

Since sexual offenses are grossly more likely to be perpetrated by friends or family than 'strangers in vans'...


So that "FREE CANDY" thing has been totally legit all this time? Woo-hoo!
 
2014-08-14 09:00:06 PM  
The registry is a great place to find the fun, kinky women living in your area.

/who needs OKCupid or POF
 
2014-08-14 09:00:19 PM  
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2014-08-14 09:02:41 PM  
Anyone who thinks the current system works needs to read this.
 
2014-08-14 09:05:06 PM  
In Alabama, offenders have to pay a $200 filing fee, which cannot be waived for lack of funds.

Does this apply only to those caught banging their underage sisters or does that include everyone?
 
2014-08-14 09:13:45 PM  

stuhayes2010: I agree that child rapist and molesters should be lifetime members. But mooning people when you're 18 should not qualify as lifetime sex offender (happened to a friend).


Uh huh.

Guilty_plea_bargain: In Alabama, offenders have to pay a $200 filing fee, which cannot be waived for lack of funds.

Does this apply only to those caught banging their underage sisters or does that include everyone?


It's government so I'm gonna guess it depends on the state, but given government's universal inability to do anything right, I'm guessing it's a zero tolerance thing.

/Some people take the tact "sex offenders breathe, therefore everything that breathes is a sex offender"
 
2014-08-14 09:16:52 PM  

fusillade762: I just checked my current address and there aren't any within a mile of me. I got four hits when searching for my old house, though. One of which shares a last name with the people who used to live across the street.


Back in the day, I used to play poker with a group of coworkers and friends.  One day, the wife of one of the players was checking the sex offender list and saw one of our group on it.  (No, not me!)  He listed his place of work as his home address but he was really living with a former coworker in one of the outlying shiatkicker towns.  The conviction was for what we think translated to "oral sex with a 14 year old".  So we moved the poker game to a new location and told him the game just kinda fell apart because enough people didn't want to play.

Non-funny side note:  A friend of mine taught dance and told me about a student who was off to a rough start in life.  Emancipated as a teenager, trying to make it in the world with a McJob paying the rent while she finishes high school.  A year or so after I heard that tale, I ran into that student at the former coworker's housewarming party.  Turns out former coworker is her mom and Mr. Sex Offender was still living with her.  I couldn't help but assume the emancipation and "oral sex with a 14 year old" were related but I didn't want to know for sure.  I never managed to imagine a scenario that contained the few facts I had that wasn't completely farked up.
 
2014-08-14 09:26:26 PM  
Like the no-fly list, it would be a useful tool if it worked, but it doesn't, at least not well. But it makes the unwashed masses feel safe and makes politicians look "tough on crime", so we've got that going.
 
2014-08-14 09:31:48 PM  

RealityChuck: Anyone who thinks the current system works needs to read this.


The  is a machine that needs to be fed constantly, it is not here to help.
 
2014-08-14 09:32:26 PM  
former school teacher perhaps ?
 
2014-08-14 09:32:27 PM  
in some states, public urination is something that will get you on the registry.  i read an article somewhere--may have even been on this fine outstanding website you are reading this on---and if my memory serves me correctly, it was an article that had quoted the parents of the child that the original registry was done for.  essentially it was saying that this has gone way overboard, costs the police way too much money, and really doesnt do anything.

our elected leaders rush into making laws that sound good, but do not make any sense.  and of course now, even if they do agree that it needs to be refined, they do not want to do anything about it because they want to be re-elected and do not want to be seen as soft on crime.
 
2014-08-14 09:33:35 PM  

Shadowtag: stuhayes2010: I agree that child rapist and molesters should be lifetime members. But mooning people when you're 18 should not qualify as lifetime sex offender (happened to a friend).

Uh huh.

Guilty_plea_bargain: In Alabama, offenders have to pay a $200 filing fee, which cannot be waived for lack of funds.

Does this apply only to those caught banging their underage sisters or does that include everyone?

It's government so I'm gonna guess it depends on the state, but given government's universal inability to do anything right, I'm guessing it's a zero tolerance thing.

/Some people take the tact "sex offenders breathe, therefore everything that breathes is a sex offender"


It's really nothing more than revenge (which usually makes things worse - but gets the politicians elected).
 
2014-08-14 09:34:34 PM  
She taught high school?
 
2014-08-14 09:35:44 PM  
in my town the sex offender registration, the gun permits and the accident reports are all in one office, so it's always a tossup to see which counter the next person in line is going to.
 
2014-08-14 09:49:05 PM  

JoieD'Zen: RealityChuck: Anyone who thinks the current system works needs to read this.

The system is a machine that needs to be fed constantly, it is not here to help.


fixed
 
2014-08-14 09:58:41 PM  
Apparently subby should be able to look it up.
 
2014-08-14 10:00:16 PM  

RealityChuck: Anyone who thinks the current system works needs to read this.


Trolls exist everywhere, don't they?
 
2014-08-14 10:22:24 PM  

johndalek: in some states, public urination is something that will get you on the registry.  i read an article somewhere--may have even been on this fine outstanding website you are reading this on---and if my memory serves me correctly, it was an article that had quoted the parents of the child that the original registry was done for.  essentially it was saying that this has gone way overboard, costs the police way too much money, and really doesnt do anything.

our elected leaders rush into making laws that sound good, but do not make any sense.  and of course now, even if they do agree that it needs to be refined, they do not want to do anything about it because they want to be re-elected and do not want to be seen as soft on crime.


I don't care what you say, I still say R. Kelly belongs on the list.
 
2014-08-14 10:27:26 PM  
If we wanted a truly just system, we would have to consider the actual harm done and make laws based on that. If we suppose the NEED for a sex offender registry or the type of lifetime confinement that is allowed in some states (essentially, some offenders are put in "treatment centers" after jail that they never leave), then we would have to stipulate which crimes deserve such punishment.

I think nobody can reasonably claim pubic urination or indecent exposure warrant being put on a sex offender list. These probably should be citation level crimes, like speeding or smoking pot in public (in sane states).

On the subject of age of consent, I will simply leave that argument to others as I can't see a simple change that would be effective. It's more a social problem than anything. Clearly, if you are molesting 11 year olds it's sexual assault, a nasty crime. Not so clear with 16 year olds. But many 16 year olds are quite naive, and I am not so sure about the "Romeo and Juliet" clauses because those seem more based on feelings of "ick" than actual harm - is sex with a 40 year old vs a 20 year old intrinsically more harmful? In some cases it can be, but vice versa as well.

In any case, it's better than back in the day when Roman Polanski got away with drugging and raping a 13 year old. At that time, it was almost acceptable to a lot of people. Now the scales have tipped too much in the other direction.

/ hysteria is a bad basis of law
// actual harm should be the basis
/// how you measure harm may be a sticking point, of course
 
2014-08-14 10:46:28 PM  
Sexual Offender 'crimes' are FUBR. When it reaches the point that a 6 year old can be convicted of one, for doing what was acceptable back in the 70's, things have moved from stupid to dangerously ludicrous.

Diddling a kid by an adult? Yeah. Sexual offense. Especially if the kid is below their teens. Taking a drunken leak within 100 feet of a daycare center, closed for the night, which you probably didn't know was there -- Not a sexual offense, but you can be charged with one and wind up on the list.

We have convicted killers out on parole or who have served their sentences who are not required to follow as stringent restrictions as sex offenders. Gang members by the ton, with criminal records a yard long, are not required to obey such restrictions -- even though they may have beaten someone nearly to death.

Meth cookers poison the places they cook in, their neighborhoods, have been known to poison streams that affect thousands of people (by pouring their waste in them) and cost landlords hundreds of thousands of dollars to make their homes safe afterwards. Plus, people die regularly after using their product.

After serving their jail term, there are no restrictions placed on them and they're protected by Civil Rights.

The only thing the new strict Sexual Offender Laws have done, along with the Sex Offender List, is encourage true offenders to more than likely kill their victims to avoid discovery rather than, like around 30 years ago, leave the majority alive.

Kind of like the Three Strikes Law -- now more people get killed in robberies as robbers attempt to keep from going to jail for life.

The majority of released criminals are protected by Civil Rights. Convicted Sex Offenders are not. They can be forced from their homes, cops can be slow to respond, cops and neighbors publicly warn the locals where they are going to live and neighbors may post signs indicating who lives where.

Employers might hire a person with a criminal record, and not worry much about his business. However, if he hires a sex offender -- like a guy who pi$$ed near the closed day care -- and the public finds out, he can loose customers and the media, if they get wind of it, will blow it all out of proportion and he'll have to fire the employee or close down.

The Sexual Offender Laws need to seriously be rewritten, quite a few 'offenses' need to be taken off the list or common sense applied. As they stand today, a whole lot of average folks, who are not in any way sexual perverts, are in danger of being accused as one and/or arrested.

That includes most of you.
 
2014-08-14 11:30:50 PM  

fusillade762: I just checked my current address and there aren't any within a mile of me. I got four hits when searching for my old house, though. One of which shares a last name with the people who used to live across the street.


Got one a block away (but two by the crow.)   Sexual assault, 40 years ago.  The map shows another nearby that's much more recent but he didn't actually complete his assault.

And about 4 blocks away there's a kiddie diddler, albeit 30 years ago.  (Lewd & lascivious with an under 14.)
 
2014-08-14 11:53:04 PM  

Loren: Got one a block away (but two by the crow.) Sexual assault, 40 years ago. The map shows another nearby that's much more recent but he didn't actually complete his assault.And about 4 blocks away there's a kiddie diddler, albeit 30 years ago. (Lewd & lascivious with an under 14.)


Statistically, they are all less of a threat to your children than you are.
 
2014-08-15 12:10:58 AM  
Don't care how hard it is to get off the list frankly, cry more?
 
2014-08-15 12:47:21 AM  
"It's quite difficult to get removed from a sex offender registry," says columnist who doesn't explain why she knows this

Did anyone not know this?
 
2014-08-15 01:23:38 AM  
Interesting to see something that California has in common with the Deep South.

www.slate.com
 
2014-08-15 01:29:15 AM  

jtown: fusillade762: I just checked my current address and there aren't any within a mile of me. I got four hits when searching for my old house, though. One of which shares a last name with the people who used to live across the street.

Back in the day, I used to play poker with a group of coworkers and friends.  One day, the wife of one of the players was checking the sex offender list and saw one of our group on it.  (No, not me!)  He listed his place of work as his home address but he was really living with a former coworker in one of the outlying shiatkicker towns.  The conviction was for what we think translated to "oral sex with a 14 year old".  So we moved the poker game to a new location and told him the game just kinda fell apart because enough people didn't want to play.

Non-funny side note:  A friend of mine taught dance and told me about a student who was off to a rough start in life.  Emancipated as a teenager, trying to make it in the world with a McJob paying the rent while she finishes high school.  A year or so after I heard that tale, I ran into that student at the former coworker's housewarming party.  Turns out former coworker is her mom and Mr. Sex Offender was still living with her.  I couldn't help but assume the emancipation and "oral sex with a 14 year old" were related but I didn't want to know for sure.  I never managed to imagine a scenario that contained the few facts I had that wasn't completely farked up.


Wow. There are some things I absolutely do not miss about small towns.
 
2014-08-15 01:56:34 AM  

johndalek: in some states, public urination is something that will get you on the registry.  i read an article somewhere--may have even been on this fine outstanding website you are reading this on---and if my memory serves me correctly, it was an article that had quoted the parents of the child that the original registry was done for.  essentially it was saying that this has gone way overboard, costs the police way too much money, and really doesnt do anything.

our elected leaders rush into making laws that sound good, but do not make any sense.  and of course now, even if they do agree that it needs to be refined, they do not want to do anything about it because they want to be re-elected and do not want to be seen as soft on crime.


Jesus. I guess that, given the one drunken night I took a piss in the central plant-thing in the quad at my grad school, I could get me on The List.

/Only person who saw it was a friend
//He thought it was hilarious
 
2014-08-15 06:05:58 AM  

foxyshadis: Interesting to see something that California has in common with the Deep South.

[www.slate.com image 589x495]


And New Jersey.
 
2014-08-15 06:55:49 AM  

gopher321: I'm curious...are Farkers the kind of people who just wanna know who the creeps are in their area so they an keep an eye out, or are they the type to find an address, go on over with a baseball bat and gently 'persuade' the creep to move elsewhere. Don't think we have a public-access sex offender registry in Ontario, never bothered to check.


That latter thing? Yeah, that never happens, except in some ITGs vivid fantasy.

foxyshadis: jtown: fusillade762: I just checked my current address and there aren't any within a mile of me. I got four hits when searching for my old house, though. One of which shares a last name with the people who used to live across the street.

Back in the day, I used to play poker with a group of coworkers and friends.  One day, the wife of one of the players was checking the sex offender list and saw one of our group on it.  (No, not me!)  He listed his place of work as his home address but he was really living with a former coworker in one of the outlying shiatkicker towns.  The conviction was for what we think translated to "oral sex with a 14 year old".  So we moved the poker game to a new location and told him the game just kinda fell apart because enough people didn't want to play.

Non-funny side note:  A friend of mine taught dance and told me about a student who was off to a rough start in life.  Emancipated as a teenager, trying to make it in the world with a McJob paying the rent while she finishes high school.  A year or so after I heard that tale, I ran into that student at the former coworker's housewarming party.  Turns out former coworker is her mom and Mr. Sex Offender was still living with her.  I couldn't help but assume the emancipation and "oral sex with a 14 year old" were related but I didn't want to know for sure.  I never managed to imagine a scenario that contained the few facts I had that wasn't completely farked up.

Wow. There are some things I absolutely do not miss about small towns.


There are a lot of scenarios where a 14-year-old winds up married to somebody older for the rest of his/her life and likes it. Modern American society has a one-size-fits-all attitude about when people are ready for romance, sex and commitment, and it's gotten ridiculous the way we infantalize ALL adolescents as if they were prepubescent children.

/Not talking about me; I was 20 before I had sex. But I know a guy who's been married to his middle school teacher for 30-something years. They started actually dating when he was 15 or 16, I think, and she was no longer his teacher. Two of my great grandmothers were married for good at age 13, and my grandmother was married twice by the time she was 16 (first guy hit her, so she dumped him). They weren't in arranged marriages, either; that was the age that people started going to work or starting families in Appalachia 100 years ago.
 
2014-08-15 06:57:38 AM  

abiigdog: Don't care how hard it is to get off the list frankly, cry more?


Depends on whether you're actually a sex offender or just had to take a piss in an alley one drunken night.
 
2014-08-15 07:46:19 AM  

johndalek: in some states, public urination is something that will get you on the registry.  i read an article somewhere--may have even been on this fine outstanding website you are reading this on---and if my memory serves me correctly, it was an article that had quoted the parents of the child that the original registry was done for.  essentially it was saying that this has gone way overboard, costs the police way too much money, and really doesnt do anything.

our elected leaders rush into making laws that sound good, but do not make any sense.  and of course now, even if they do agree that it needs to be refined, they do not want to do anything about it because they want to be re-elected and do not want to be seen as soft on crime.


Uh, yeah. It was this site two or three days ago.

Man, farkers have terrible short term memories.
 
2014-08-15 09:03:00 AM  

Boo_Guy: The registry is a great place to find the fun, kinky women living in your area.

/who needs OKCupid or POF


Try FetLife
 
2014-08-15 11:32:53 AM  

farkstorm: Loren: Got one a block away (but two by the crow.) Sexual assault, 40 years ago. The map shows another nearby that's much more recent but he didn't actually complete his assault.And about 4 blocks away there's a kiddie diddler, albeit 30 years ago. (Lewd & lascivious with an under 14.)

Statistically, they are all less of a threat to your children than you are.


Division by zero error.

(I have no kids.)
 
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