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(Deadspin)   Pro wrestling's greatest angle was convincing us it doesn't matter, leaving it free and clear to exploit the daylights out of the performers and fans alike   (deadspin.com) divider line 160
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2014-08-14 10:30:46 AM  
The author of that article knows very little about wrestling.  And his agenda is somewhat puzzling and all over the place.
 
2014-08-14 11:24:22 AM  
I don't understand why he mentions Bobby Heenan. Heenan is one of the greatest (if not the greatest) heel managers of all time. Yes his voice was destroyed by throat cancer, but it's not like wrestling was responsible for that. Whenever I watch his Hall of Fame speech and hear him say "I wish Monsoon were here", it makes me choke up a little
 
2014-08-14 12:05:26 PM  
The appeal of "professional" wrestling completely escapes me. It's stupid and boring and ridiculous.
 
2014-08-14 12:20:12 PM  
media.tumblr.com

What a bunch of Jabronis
 
2014-08-14 12:22:16 PM  
You know, it's not wrestling, but how come Fark never greened a thread about War Machine beating Christie Mack?
 
2014-08-14 12:24:53 PM  
That article was WAY too long to be about professional wrestling...
 
2014-08-14 12:26:03 PM  

realmolo: The appeal of "professional" wrestling completely escapes me. It's stupid and boring and ridiculous.


I was reliving the Eddie Guerrero and Rey Mysterio feud the other day and you are right, it was stupid and boring.  The appeal (one aspect at least) of wrestling is the performers ability to take a story that is totally ridiculous (Eddie fathered a child on a fling, Rey ended up adopting the child, and they ended up having a ladder match for the custody of the child in this case) and make it wildly entertaining by knowing their character's motivations in all scenarios week to week, having wildly entertaining in-ring matches, and making you forget how ridiculous the whole thing is.

I understand why it isnt for everyone but I will never understand why some people cant understand it is for some.

It is my favorite form of entertainment for so many reasons.

/didnt like this article
 
2014-08-14 12:26:49 PM  
This guy basically wants professional wrestling to be regulated by state athletic commissions. The crazy runs deep here.
 
2014-08-14 12:28:20 PM  

Soup_Man: This guy basically wants professional wrestlers to get to live past 45 with some semblance of dignity.ing to be regulated by state athletic commissions. The crazy runs deep here.



/ftfy
 
2014-08-14 12:31:51 PM  

realmolo: The appeal of "professional" wrestling completely escapes me. It's stupid and boring and ridiculous.


Perhaps you have to get hooked young, but even looking at it from a distance the appeal is obvious.

Stories and characters. The athletics is secondary.

Good versus bad and all that. when they tell the stories well enough wrestling is popular (mid 80's, late 90's). When they don't, wrestling struggles, (2002's to now).
 
2014-08-14 12:38:20 PM  

Decillion: Good versus bad and all that. when they tell the stories well enough wrestling is popular (mid 80's, late 90's). When they don't, wrestling struggles, (2002's to now).


I would argue that is more about the characters than the stories even.  A lot of the stories in the late 90s were total shiat but people popped huge because they loved the characters.
 
2014-08-14 12:40:27 PM  
Wrestling Thread?

BULLDOG WAS ROBBED AT THE 1995 ROYAL RUMBLE!
 
2014-08-14 12:43:29 PM  

Gunny Highway: Decillion: Good versus bad and all that. when they tell the stories well enough wrestling is popular (mid 80's, late 90's). When they don't, wrestling struggles, (2002's to now).

I would argue that is more about the characters than the stories even.  A lot of the stories in the late 90s were total shiat but people popped huge because they loved the characters.


I agree. The personalities make it. The stories are vehicles for the characters, and in that way it's like a soap opera for men as you often hear pro wrestling described. Yeah, we know it's kind of garbage, in that same way many women know "The Bachelor" is garbage but still tune in for every episode. It's just a serialized character-driven set of stories that allow viewers to escape for a while. And it's just great for that.
 
2014-08-14 12:45:46 PM  

menschenfresser: Gunny Highway: Decillion: Good versus bad and all that. when they tell the stories well enough wrestling is popular (mid 80's, late 90's). When they don't, wrestling struggles, (2002's to now).

I would argue that is more about the characters than the stories even.  A lot of the stories in the late 90s were total shiat but people popped huge because they loved the characters.

I agree. The personalities make it. The stories are vehicles for the characters, and in that way it's like a soap opera for men as you often hear pro wrestling described. Yeah, we know it's kind of garbage, in that same way many women know "The Bachelor" is garbage but still tune in for every episode. It's just a serialized character-driven set of stories that allow viewers to escape for a while. And it's just great for that.


It exists in real time in the real world but is essentially a cartoon variety show.
 
2014-08-14 12:46:03 PM  

Glitchwerks: You know, it's not wrestling, but how come Fark never greened a thread about War Machine beating Christie Mack?


Probably wanted to avoid having a thread full of MMA dudebro douches in mixed company.  No good can come of that.
 
2014-08-14 12:46:46 PM  

realmolo: The appeal of "professional" wrestling completely escapes me. It's stupid and boring and ridiculous.


The appeal to me is that it's stupid and ridiculous and fun.

That article is certainly a one sided affair that takes a lot of liberties to deliver a message.
 
2014-08-14 12:48:28 PM  
i282.photobucket.com
 
2014-08-14 12:49:16 PM  

Glitchwerks: You know, it's not wrestling, but how come Fark never greened a thread about War Machine beating Christie Mack?


Got me.  An MMA fighter beating his porn star girlfriend and then being on the run while Dog the Bounty Hunter chases him would seem like all the ingredients needed for a Fark thread.

Hell I'd watch that reality show.
 
2014-08-14 12:49:41 PM  

realmolo: The appeal of "professional" wrestling completely escapes me. It's stupid and boring and ridiculous.


A random IQ sampling at a huge WWE event would make for some good comedy.
 
2014-08-14 12:50:22 PM  
edge.liveleak.com
 
2014-08-14 12:50:38 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: realmolo: The appeal of "professional" wrestling completely escapes me. It's stupid and boring and ridiculous.

The appeal to me is that it's stupid and ridiculous and fun.

That article is certainly a one sided affair that takes a lot of liberties to deliver a message.


It lets you know what you are getting into from the start:

This article was first published at Jacobin, a publication offering socialist perspectives on politics, economics, and culture. Subscriptions start at $19
 
2014-08-14 12:53:49 PM  

dryknife: [edge.liveleak.com image 576x432]


He probably said it better than anyone.
 
2014-08-14 12:54:30 PM  
This-the notion that pro wrestling is a fixed, low-rent travesty, undeserving of serious mainstream scrutiny-is the single greatest angle ever sold by the wrestling industry.

That's actually the one thing about wrestling that is true.
 
2014-08-14 01:07:06 PM  
Pro wrestlings greatest Angle was Kurt

/It's true
 
2014-08-14 01:07:09 PM  

realmolo: The appeal of "professional" wrestling completely escapes me. It's stupid and boring and ridiculous.


I call it a soap opera with sweaty men.
 
2014-08-14 01:10:04 PM  
Anyone who can make it through more than 2 paragraphs of that guys writing deserves some kind of medal
 
2014-08-14 01:10:34 PM  

Gunderson: realmolo: The appeal of "professional" wrestling completely escapes me. It's stupid and boring and ridiculous.

I call it a soap opera with sweaty men.


Or a comic book.
 
2014-08-14 01:11:06 PM  
Why isn't this in the sports tab?
 
2014-08-14 01:11:59 PM  

realmolo: The appeal of "professional" wrestling completely escapes me. It's stupid and boring and ridiculous.


The appeal of professional wrestling, soap operas, reality television, and those shoes that look like bare feet completely escape me, but that's not important.  They appeal to somebody so they get made.  I doubt most people care about most of my interests.
 
2014-08-14 01:12:46 PM  

ArkAngel: I don't understand why he mentions Bobby Heenan. Heenan is one of the greatest (if not the greatest) heel managers of all time. Yes his voice was destroyed by throat cancer, but it's not like wrestling was responsible for that. Whenever I watch his Hall of Fame speech and hear him say "I wish Monsoon were here", it makes me choke up a little


This.  Sounds like TFA had an agenda, nothing new there.
 
2014-08-14 01:13:30 PM  

realmolo: The appeal of "professional" wrestling completely escapes me. It's stupid and boring and ridiculous.


So was a soap opera, but millions watched both anyway.
 
2014-08-14 01:13:37 PM  
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
 
2014-08-14 01:16:06 PM  

Decillion: realmolo: The appeal of "professional" wrestling completely escapes me. It's stupid and boring and ridiculous.

Perhaps you have to get hooked young, but even looking at it from a distance the appeal is obvious.

Stories and characters. The athletics is secondary.

Good versus bad and all that. when they tell the stories well enough wrestling is popular (mid 80's, late 90's). When they don't, wrestling struggles, (2002's to now).


Pretty much.

Gunny Highway: I would argue that is more about the characters than the stories even.  A lot of the stories in the late 90s were total shiat but people popped huge because they loved the characters.


That's the WWE has strayed since 2002:  They thought "great characters" = money and forgot the storyline part.
 
2014-08-14 01:16:42 PM  
(The article does not mention Mexico or Japan)
 
2014-08-14 01:16:56 PM  

Gunny Highway: [i282.photobucket.com image 598x592]


They live by an actor's code.
 
2014-08-14 01:17:07 PM  

Rwa2play: realmolo: The appeal of "professional" wrestling completely escapes me. It's stupid and boring and ridiculous.

So was a soap opera, but millions watched both anyway.


I'm just glad this is under "Entertainment" and not "Sports", maybe this will spread to the weekly WWE threads.

"Sports" connotates an competition that is unscripted and with an unknown outcome.   Some would also say is "has" to be "athletic" (which gets rid of things like Poker, Chess, and to some even auto racing)... certainly WWE has the "atheticism" part, but, is clearly not a "sport" because of the scripted nature.. these are not "sporting" bouts.

American Gladiators was more of a sport than Professional Wrestling.
 
2014-08-14 01:21:00 PM  

Rwa2play: That's the WWE has strayed since 2002: They thought "great characters" = money and forgot the storyline part.


Yeah, a healthy balance is needed but good characters can sell a shiat story.  Are there instances of shiat workers selling a great story and getting it over?  I am sure it has happened but it is much less prevalent.

And sometimes a good ole wrestling match works too.  The story can be confined to the 10-15 minutes they are out there.  Matches can have a great story but they can be part of a shiat storyline.

/ahhh wrestling talk
 
2014-08-14 01:21:02 PM  
To me, wrestling is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other.

Paraphrasing Jack Handey's Deep Thoughts on Boxing
 
2014-08-14 01:23:16 PM  

dletter: Rwa2play: realmolo: The appeal of "professional" wrestling completely escapes me. It's stupid and boring and ridiculous.

So was a soap opera, but millions watched both anyway.

I'm just glad this is under "Entertainment" and not "Sports", maybe this will spread to the weekly WWE threads.

"Sports" connotates an competition that is unscripted and with an unknown outcome.   Some would also say is "has" to be "athletic" (which gets rid of things like Poker, Chess, and to some even auto racing)... certainly WWE has the "atheticism" part, but, is clearly not a "sport" because of the scripted nature.. these are not "sporting" bouts.

American Gladiators was more of a sport than Professional Wrestling.


img.fark.net
 
2014-08-14 01:23:30 PM  
the billion dollar spectacle of pro wrestling relies entirely on the ruthless economic, mental, and physical exploitation of its performers.

You mean like the left, European fail piles and Central America dictators? That, you know all about Mr. socialist.

Tell us more about the way Hulk Hogan has destroyed life for a billion people now. Deadspin, like others of it's ilk, tends to believe that number of paragraphs = important.

Like someone already said, any article about pro wrestling that is very long totally misses the point of pro wrestling. It is escapist entertainment. It's silly fun, and you either get it or you don't.

The last thing it's fans need are yet another leftist cop showing up to protect everyone from themselves. They tend to believe that everything everywhere must have their permission.
 
2014-08-14 01:23:31 PM  

dletter: "Sports" connotates an competition that is unscripted and with an unknown outcome. Some would also say is "has" to be "athletic" (which gets rid of things like Poker, Chess, and to some even auto racing)... certainly WWE has the "atheticism" part, but, is clearly not a "sport" because of the scripted nature.. these are not "sporting" bouts.


ODE definition: An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

Can you compete with someone if the finish is predetermined?  I say yes.
 
2014-08-14 01:26:33 PM  

Gunny Highway: [i282.photobucket.com image 598x592]


Fake is not the worst word to describe anything. Kids don't think wrestling is fictional. And yes, the smartest guy in the world could figure out how to be a good wrestling actor.
 
2014-08-14 01:26:34 PM  

Gunny Highway: Rwa2play: That's the WWE has strayed since 2002: They thought "great characters" = money and forgot the storyline part.

Yeah, a healthy balance is needed but good characters can sell a shiat story.  Are there instances of shiat workers selling a great story and getting it over?  I am sure it has happened but it is much less prevalent.

And sometimes a good ole wrestling match works too.  The story can be confined to the 10-15 minutes they are out there.  Matches can have a great story but they can be part of a shiat storyline.

/ahhh wrestling talk


That's why I love looking back at both the Joshi and Puro matches of the 90s.  Don't need to know one word of Japanese to understand if there's a backstory, just watch the match and enjoy the magic.
 
2014-08-14 01:28:57 PM  

moothemagiccow: Gunny Highway: [i282.photobucket.com image 598x592]

Fake is not the worst word to describe anything. Kids don't think wrestling is fictional. And yes, the smartest guy in the world could figure out how to be a good wrestling actor.


Sure they could.  Could they pull it off though?
 
2014-08-14 01:29:07 PM  
Be honest, nobody read every word of that, right?
 
2014-08-14 01:29:43 PM  

moothemagiccow: Gunny Highway: [i282.photobucket.com image 598x592]

Fake is not the worst word to describe anything. Kids don't think wrestling is fictional. And yes, the smartest guy in the world could figure out how to be a good wrestling actor.


This reminds me of this:

splitsider.com
 
2014-08-14 01:30:13 PM  

menschenfresser: dletter: Rwa2play: realmolo: The appeal of "professional" wrestling completely escapes me. It's stupid and boring and ridiculous.

So was a soap opera, but millions watched both anyway.

I'm just glad this is under "Entertainment" and not "Sports", maybe this will spread to the weekly WWE threads.

"Sports" connotates an competition that is unscripted and with an unknown outcome.   Some would also say is "has" to be "athletic" (which gets rid of things like Poker, Chess, and to some even auto racing)... certainly WWE has the "atheticism" part, but, is clearly not a "sport" because of the scripted nature.. these are not "sporting" bouts.

American Gladiators was more of a sport than Professional Wrestling.

[img.fark.net image 500x271]


A.G. was just a much cheesier version of American Ninja Warrior.... I had never heard any rumors or anything that either are "staged" (ie, that the competitions were pre-determined).    Or are you just using that on my post as a whole?
 
2014-08-14 01:32:32 PM  

dletter: menschenfresser: dletter: Rwa2play: realmolo: The appeal of "professional" wrestling completely escapes me. It's stupid and boring and ridiculous.

So was a soap opera, but millions watched both anyway.

I'm just glad this is under "Entertainment" and not "Sports", maybe this will spread to the weekly WWE threads.

"Sports" connotates an competition that is unscripted and with an unknown outcome.   Some would also say is "has" to be "athletic" (which gets rid of things like Poker, Chess, and to some even auto racing)... certainly WWE has the "atheticism" part, but, is clearly not a "sport" because of the scripted nature.. these are not "sporting" bouts.

American Gladiators was more of a sport than Professional Wrestling.

[img.fark.net image 500x271]

A.G. was just a much cheesier version of American Ninja Warrior.... I had never heard any rumors or anything that either are "staged" (ie, that the competitions were pre-determined).    Or are you just using that on my post as a whole?


I'm saying that would be the kayfabe response of a character like The Miz to your whole sick burn of pro wrestling.
 
2014-08-14 01:34:36 PM  

realmolo: The appeal of "professional" wrestling completely escapes me. It's stupid and boring and ridiculous.


They're modern morality plays.
 
2014-08-14 01:37:30 PM  

Gunny Highway: dletter: "Sports" connotates an competition that is unscripted and with an unknown outcome. Some would also say is "has" to be "athletic" (which gets rid of things like Poker, Chess, and to some even auto racing)... certainly WWE has the "atheticism" part, but, is clearly not a "sport" because of the scripted nature.. these are not "sporting" bouts.

ODE definition: An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

Can you compete with someone if the finish is predetermined?  I say yes.


I can't argue with that is a dictionary definition, or your interpretation of it.   Just saying what "some" constitute as a sport.   I guess maybe it is the difference between an "Sports Activity" vs. a "Sports Competition" (ie, just running around the block is an "activity", but, unless you are racing against someone, isn't a "competition").  I guess since it is predetermined, I would say there is no "competition", so, it is more of an "activity".
 
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