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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-08-13 08:23:13 PM  
Headline consistent with actual article. When it worked, it was great.
 
2014-08-13 08:27:19 PM  
A car can be great to drive, be filled with cutting edge technology, have beautiful styling, and a nice interior and yet still have more than it's share of problems.

The more advanced something is the more of a chance that there will be some bugs.

One reason that I don't really care for CR in terms of auto reviews is that they seem to gear their recommendations to the type of person who buys a Camry - someone who wants a drivable appliance.  Sure, those cars are reliable, efficient, and ergonomically sound, but they have no soul and no personality either.

What it takes to score well with CR doesn't necessarily make for a fun vehicle.
 
2014-08-13 08:32:54 PM  
I'm looking forward to seeing the Saleen tuned Tesla Model S. Debuts at Pebble Beach this weekend.
 
2014-08-13 09:53:19 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: A car can be great to drive, be filled with cutting edge technology, have beautiful styling, and a nice interior and yet still have more than it's share of problems.

The more advanced something is the more of a chance that there will be some bugs.

One reason that I don't really care for CR in terms of auto reviews is that they seem to gear their recommendations to the type of person who buys a Camry - someone who wants a drivable appliance.  Sure, those cars are reliable, efficient, and ergonomically sound, but they have no soul and no personality either.

What it takes to score well with CR doesn't necessarily make for a fun vehicle.


CR is useful because they give consistent information. I *like* having a sporty car, but not being rich, I needed to quantify how much of a premium it was going to cost me over the life of the car - tires, maintenance, etc.

The enthusiast sites will tell you the performance difference and give you lots of gushing praise and hyperbole. CR tells you that it's going to cost you a couple grand a year for tires, brakes, and you're going to have fillings rattled loose and never have a conversation inside the car.

I considered their numbers and decided that I could cut back a little bit on silly purchases like food now and then. ;-)
 
2014-08-13 10:26:47 PM  
Where do they keep the cleaver.
 
2014-08-13 10:27:34 PM  
?
 
2014-08-14 12:34:22 AM  
The car, it drives, it performs very well, it's fast, it's fuel efficient, it's roomy.

Um...
 
2014-08-14 02:44:43 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: A car can be great to drive, be filled with cutting edge technology, have beautiful styling, and a nice interior and yet still have more than it's share of problems.

The more advanced something is the more of a chance that there will be some bugs.

One reason that I don't really care for CR in terms of auto reviews is that they seem to gear their recommendations to the type of person who buys a Camry - someone who wants a drivable appliance.  Sure, those cars are reliable, efficient, and ergonomically sound, but they have no soul and no personality either.

What it takes to score well with CR doesn't necessarily make for a fun vehicle.


Hand-made exotic cars come immediately to mind. I'd kill for a Pagani Huayra, but it's not like you can take it down to the Jiffy-Lube if one of the belts starts squeaking.
 
2014-08-14 05:03:41 AM  

fusillade762: The car, it drives, it performs very well, it's fast, it's fuel efficient, it's roomy.

Um...


You can't get more efficient than infinity miles per gallon.
 
2014-08-14 05:10:12 AM  

fusillade762: The car, it drives, it performs very well, it's fast, it's fuel efficient, it's roomy.

Um...


There is a formula for determining how much fuel you would be using if an electric car was burning gasoline (probably based upon the energy required to charge the battery to go vroom vs. the amount of energy released by tank of gasoline being burned by a combustion engine).  Virtually all electrics get absurdly high theoretical gas mileage, but it does vary quite a bit.  It is supposed to be a way to estimate price+fuel between electric and normal cars, i.e you will pay more for the car up front, but you will make it back in saved gas in X months - if X months is longer than you plan to own the car, then it might be cheaper to buy the Saudi-fellator.
 
2014-08-14 05:29:46 AM  
While I l love my Grand Cherokees and my '67 Impala, I'd love to take a Tesla out for a spin so long as the engine sounds like an actual engine and not some prissy Prius.

Also, lol, Nasa.
 
2014-08-14 05:37:22 AM  

robohobo: While I l love my Grand Cherokees and my '67 Impala, I'd love to take a Tesla out for a spin so long as the engine sounds like an actual engine and not some prissy Prius.

Also, lol, Nasa.


It's an electric motor.  It sounds like a dremel tool from everything I've heard.  Though if your criteria is engine noise - as opposed to getting kicked int he chest by a mule when you floor it - I feel for you "I don't care for performance, I just want it to go vroom-vroom."
 
2014-08-14 05:44:56 AM  

sithon: Where do they keep the cleaver.


I see the cleaver aspect has been covered...
 
2014-08-14 05:46:23 AM  

phalamir: robohobo: While I l love my Grand Cherokees and my '67 Impala, I'd love to take a Tesla out for a spin so long as the engine sounds like an actual engine and not some prissy Prius.

Also, lol, Nasa.

It's an electric motor.  It sounds like a dremel tool from everything I've heard.  Though if your criteria is engine noise - as opposed to getting kicked int he chest by a mule when you floor it - I feel for you "I don't care for performance, I just want it to go vroom-vroom."


Cars are supposed to rumble. End of story. It's one of the pleasures of turning the key and hitting the gas. Hearing the rumble, feeling the rumble. It's part of the experience. Driving a car that just has a low electric buzzing sound is like banging a mute girl. You lose half the fun. I get I've an onion on my belt, and that lame-ass kids in the future will wonder why folk wanted to drive their own cars that weren't completely silent and tracked every second, but those kids are tools. Cars are art. Electric cars, so far, are coloring books.
 
2014-08-14 05:50:33 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Sure, those cars are reliable, efficient, and ergonomically sound


Ahh, how brainwashed the US consumers are, repeating the little mantras they've been coded to obey.
Buy as you're told, obedient one. Hope you fare better than the Saylors.
 
2014-08-14 05:52:05 AM  
I heard one car busted a nut
 
2014-08-14 05:55:36 AM  

robohobo: phalamir: robohobo: While I l love my Grand Cherokees and my '67 Impala, I'd love to take a Tesla out for a spin so long as the engine sounds like an actual engine and not some prissy Prius.

Also, lol, Nasa.

It's an electric motor.  It sounds like a dremel tool from everything I've heard.  Though if your criteria is engine noise - as opposed to getting kicked int he chest by a mule when you floor it - I feel for you "I don't care for performance, I just want it to go vroom-vroom."

Cars are supposed to rumble. End of story. It's one of the pleasures of turning the key and hitting the gas. Hearing the rumble, feeling the rumble. It's part of the experience. Driving a car that just has a low electric buzzing sound is like banging a mute girl. You lose half the fun. I get I've an onion on my belt, and that lame-ass kids in the future will wonder why folk wanted to drive their own cars that weren't completely silent and tracked every second, but those kids are tools. Cars are art. Electric cars, so far, are coloring books.



You admitted to owning Grand Cherokees. You obviously are in no position to judge art or cars.
 
2014-08-14 05:56:11 AM  

robohobo: Cars are supposed to rumble. End of story.

Then install a subwoofer in the damn thing if you hate change so much.  End of story.
 
2014-08-14 05:58:28 AM  
Butthurt subby: Wharrgarble Actual headline/article agreement: Perfectly cromulent
 
2014-08-14 05:58:36 AM  
You browse Fark and you're upset about a headline not matching with the article?
 
2014-08-14 06:03:16 AM  

dragonchild: robohobo: Cars are supposed to rumble. End of story.
Then install a subwoofer in the damn thing if you hate change so much.  End of story.


You know that might actually be a good thing, at least short term, as I believe that ultra-quiet electric cars do present problems for the blind and partially sighted folks.
 
GBB
2014-08-14 06:03:28 AM  

phalamir: fusillade762: The car, it drives, it performs very well, it's fast, it's fuel efficient, it's roomy.

Um...

There is a formula for determining how much fuel you would be using if an electric car was burning gasoline (probably based upon the energy required to charge the battery to go vroom vs. the amount of energy released by tank of gasoline being burned by a combustion engine).  Virtually all electrics get absurdly high theoretical gas mileage, but it does vary quite a bit.  It is supposed to be a way to estimate price+fuel between electric and normal cars, i.e you will pay more for the car up front, but you will make it back in saved gas in X months - if X months is longer than you plan to own the car, then it might be cheaper to buy the Saudi-fellator.


I would think that it would make more sense to equate 'fuel efficiency' in electrics as range/kWh or some such similar.

Ehcks: fusillade762: The car, it drives, it performs very well, it's fast, it's fuel efficient, it's roomy.

Um...

You can't get more efficient than infinity miles per gallon.


wouldn't that be div/0??
 
GBB
2014-08-14 06:06:09 AM  

kevinatilusa: You browse Fark and you're upset about a headline not matching with the article?


It's like raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain.....
 
2014-08-14 06:08:22 AM  
I own a Volt. I have not purchased gasoline since 2013. I have traveled over ten thousand miles in this car.

My electricity bill has increased by about ten dollars per month.

Make of this what you will.
 
2014-08-14 06:11:45 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: One reason that I don't really care for CR in terms of auto reviews is that they seem to gear their recommendations to the type of person who buys a Camry - someone who wants a drivable appliance.  Sure, those cars are reliable, efficient, and ergonomically sound, but they have no soul and no personality either.

What it takes to score well with CR doesn't necessarily make for a fun vehicle.



I've noticed that as well, but honestly I think it's worse than that - I think they're just incapable of grasping that some kinds of cars have different functions, and therefore different design and engineering features, than the typical 4-door V6 beige sedan.

I think the most egregious example are their reviews of the Jeep Wrangler, which is pretty consistent from year to year: "It's noisy, it's too high off the ground, it's got poor fuel economy, the 4WD isn't geared for freeway speeds, not recommended."  In other words, pretty much ignoring that the Wrangler is designed built to be one of the best out-of-the-box off-roaders available.  But because it doesn't look or drive like a Camry, they trash it.

You see the same sort of thing in their sports car reviews ("suspension too hard, back seats too cramped") as well.  If it's not a family sedan or a minivan, CR is often pretty useless.
 
2014-08-14 06:12:23 AM  

phalamir: fusillade762: The car, it drives, it performs very well, it's fast, it's fuel efficient, it's roomy.

Um...

There is a formula for determining how much fuel you would be using if an electric car was burning gasoline (probably based upon the energy required to charge the battery to go vroom vs. the amount of energy released by tank of gasoline being burned by a combustion engine).  Virtually all electrics get absurdly high theoretical gas mileage, but it does vary quite a bit.  It is supposed to be a way to estimate price+fuel between electric and normal cars, i.e you will pay more for the car up front, but you will make it back in saved gas in X months - if X months is longer than you plan to own the car, then it might be cheaper to buy the Saudi-fellator.


A PBS show once mentioned that only 1% of the energy produced by the fuel combustion actually moves the driver. 10% moves the car itself, and the other 90% is wasted.

When I see ads for cars on TV and they boast of getting 30 miles to the gallon I can't decide if I want to laugh or cry about the fact that we haven't done so much better.
 
2014-08-14 06:13:38 AM  

Gothnet: dragonchild: robohobo: Cars are supposed to rumble. End of story.
Then install a subwoofer in the damn thing if you hate change so much.  End of story.

You know that might actually be a good thing, at least short term, as I believe that ultra-quiet electric cars do present problems for the blind and partially sighted folks.


I do believe they have been federally mandated to have noise makers in them for just those reasons.
 
2014-08-14 06:28:11 AM  

robohobo: phalamir: robohobo: While I l love my Grand Cherokees and my '67 Impala, I'd love to take a Tesla out for a spin so long as the engine sounds like an actual engine and not some prissy Prius.

Also, lol, Nasa.

It's an electric motor.  It sounds like a dremel tool from everything I've heard.  Though if your criteria is engine noise - as opposed to getting kicked int he chest by a mule when you floor it - I feel for you "I don't care for performance, I just want it to go vroom-vroom."

Cars are supposed to rumble. End of story. It's one of the pleasures of turning the key and hitting the gas. Hearing the rumble, feeling the rumble. It's part of the experience. Driving a car that just has a low electric buzzing sound is like banging a mute girl. You lose half the fun. I get I've an onion on my belt, and that lame-ass kids in the future will wonder why folk wanted to drive their own cars that weren't completely silent and tracked every second, but those kids are tools. Cars are art. Electric cars, so far, are coloring books.


I think we found Jeremy Clarkson's Fark handle. :D

/powaaaaa!!
 
2014-08-14 06:37:57 AM  

dragonchild: robohobo: Cars are supposed to rumble. End of story.
Then install a subwoofer in the damn thing if you hate change so much.  End of story.


This.  It should be possible to make a Tesla sound like anything you want it to sound like.
 
2014-08-14 06:43:06 AM  

L33t Squirrel: I think we found Jeremy Clarkson's Fark handle. :D


Nah, had it been Clarkson, the writing in that post would have been clever and just a tad offensive.

/  Biggest slashie... in the world.
 
2014-08-14 06:48:54 AM  

flondrix: dragonchild: robohobo: Cars are supposed to rumble. End of story.
Then install a subwoofer in the damn thing if you hate change so much.  End of story.

This.  It should be possible to make a Tesla sound like anything you want it to sound like.


Oh great. Now I'm picturing some douche rolling up to the tune of Disney's "Electric Light Parade".
 
2014-08-14 06:49:35 AM  

flondrix: dragonchild: robohobo: Cars are supposed to rumble. End of story.
Then install a subwoofer in the damn thing if you hate change so much.  End of story.

This.  It should be possible to make a Tesla sound like anything you want it to sound like.


Hell, I thought some states were insisting on it as a safety feature (apparently people outside the car like to be able to hear it, too . . . )
 
2014-08-14 06:50:33 AM  

fusillade762: phalamir: fusillade762: The car, it drives, it performs very well, it's fast, it's fuel efficient, it's roomy.

Um...

There is a formula for determining how much fuel you would be using if an electric car was burning gasoline (probably based upon the energy required to charge the battery to go vroom vs. the amount of energy released by tank of gasoline being burned by a combustion engine).  Virtually all electrics get absurdly high theoretical gas mileage, but it does vary quite a bit.  It is supposed to be a way to estimate price+fuel between electric and normal cars, i.e you will pay more for the car up front, but you will make it back in saved gas in X months - if X months is longer than you plan to own the car, then it might be cheaper to buy the Saudi-fellator.

A PBS show once mentioned that only 1% of the energy produced by the fuel combustion actually moves the driver. 10% moves the car itself, and the other 90% is wasted.

When I see ads for cars on TV and they boast of getting 30 miles to the gallon I can't decide if I want to laugh or cry about the fact that we haven't done so much better.


Part of the reason electric cars get such good "mileage" is that the inherently wasteful step of converting fuel to heat to useful work has already been done, and doesn't get "counted" against the electric car.  If the electricity used by the car were expressed in terms of the amount of coal burned to produce that electricity, and some sort of conversion factor between coal and gasoline, the numbers would look very different.

On the plus side, coal fired power plants can be held to stricter emissions requirements and have more sophisticated scrubbers, etc.  I don't know off hand if coal fired power plants are more efficient as heat engines than automobile engines, but I suspect that they are.  And of course, not all of the electricity has to come from coal, just most of it.  That last is the best thing about electric cars--if we ever get serious about non-fossil-fuel electrical generation, it will be possible to use those same alternative energy sources to move cars around.
 
2014-08-14 06:53:28 AM  

Cyclometh: I own a Volt. I have not purchased gasoline since 2013. I have traveled over ten thousand miles in this car.

My electricity bill has increased by about ten dollars per month.

Make of this what you will.


You haven't left your home city since 2013?

IRT the Camrys, Ok they won't knock your socks off but ours is 16 years old and the only repair it's needed was a new starter. Still a great highway cruiser too.
 
2014-08-14 06:55:13 AM  

flondrix: dragonchild: robohobo: Cars are supposed to rumble. End of story.
Then install a subwoofer in the damn thing if you hate change so much.  End of story.

This.  It should be possible to make a Tesla sound like anything you want it to sound like.



Flight of the valkyres perhaps? I recall hearing, never verified though, that Brian Eno wrote the start and shut down for releases of windows and collected a buttload of royalties of copies sold. Maybe he could write a good tesla motor. Be gentle, I'm not really awake yet.
 
2014-08-14 07:00:21 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: A car can be great to drive, be filled with cutting edge technology, have beautiful styling, and a nice interior and yet still have more than it's share of problems.

The more advanced something is the more of a chance that there will be some bugs.

One reason that I don't really care for CR in terms of auto reviews is that they seem to gear their recommendations to the type of person who buys a Camry - someone who wants a drivable appliance.  Sure, those cars are reliable, efficient, and ergonomically sound, but they have no soul and no personality either.

What it takes to score well with CR doesn't necessarily make for a fun vehicle.


I never forgave them for damn near killing the digital speedometer.

Finding a car with one now is really hard, they're finally starting to show back up, but it's taken 25 years.

I'm never buying another car without one.

It's easier to read the tiny speed reading on my GPS than it is to read the stupid analog needle gauge on the dash.  I won't use an analog watch, why would I want an analog car?  And it's not like the speedo is analog inside, it's a digital signal being turned back into analog for absolutely no good reason.

And you're absolutely right, fun isn't really one of their top priorities.
 
2014-08-14 07:04:20 AM  

flondrix: fusillade762: phalamir: fusillade762: The car, it drives, it performs very well, it's fast, it's fuel efficient, it's roomy.

Um...

There is a formula for determining how much fuel you would be using if an electric car was burning gasoline (probably based upon the energy required to charge the battery to go vroom vs. the amount of energy released by tank of gasoline being burned by a combustion engine).  Virtually all electrics get absurdly high theoretical gas mileage, but it does vary quite a bit.  It is supposed to be a way to estimate price+fuel between electric and normal cars, i.e you will pay more for the car up front, but you will make it back in saved gas in X months - if X months is longer than you plan to own the car, then it might be cheaper to buy the Saudi-fellator.

A PBS show once mentioned that only 1% of the energy produced by the fuel combustion actually moves the driver. 10% moves the car itself, and the other 90% is wasted.

When I see ads for cars on TV and they boast of getting 30 miles to the gallon I can't decide if I want to laugh or cry about the fact that we haven't done so much better.

Part of the reason electric cars get such good "mileage" is that the inherently wasteful step of converting fuel to heat to useful work has already been done, and doesn't get "counted" against the electric car.  If the electricity used by the car were expressed in terms of the amount of coal burned to produce that electricity, and some sort of conversion factor between coal and gasoline, the numbers would look very different.

On the plus side, coal fired power plants can be held to stricter emissions requirements and have more sophisticated scrubbers, etc.  I don't know off hand if coal fired power plants are more efficient as heat engines than automobile engines, but I suspect that they are.  And of course, not all of the electricity has to come from coal, just most of it.  That last is the best thing about electric cars--if we ever get serious about n ...


It's been a while since I worked in that field, but IIRC most power plants are somewhere between 35%-40% efficiency (thermal power vs electric power generation), with coal plants on the low side, natural gas ones on the high side, and nuclear right in the middle, depending on their configuration of course.  So three to four times more efficient than IC engines, without even considering the economies of scale that you get with large-scale scrubbing equipment.

Also, as you say, gasoline comes from a very limited range of sources, while electricity can be generated from many.  If I moved to, say, Seattle or Portland, I'd buy myself an electric car or a plug-in hybrid immediately, because instead of Arab oil my car would run on dirt-cheap zero-carbon hydroelectricity.
 
2014-08-14 07:05:07 AM  

Cyclometh: I own a Volt. I have not purchased gasoline since 2013. I have traveled over ten thousand miles in this car.

My electricity bill has increased by about ten dollars per month.

Make of this what you will.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-08-14 07:05:15 AM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Oh great. Now I'm picturing some douche rolling up to the tune of Disney's "Electric Light Parade".


/ Iiiiit's a smaaaaall world aaaaaaaaaafter aaaaall.
//  You're welcome.
///  [runs like hell]
 
2014-08-14 07:05:45 AM  

fasahd: flondrix: dragonchild: robohobo: Cars are supposed to rumble. End of story.
Then install a subwoofer in the damn thing if you hate change so much.  End of story.

This.  It should be possible to make a Tesla sound like anything you want it to sound like.


Flight of the valkyres perhaps? I recall hearing, never verified though, that Brian Eno wrote the start and shut down for releases of windows and collected a buttload of royalties of copies sold. Maybe he could write a good tesla motor. Be gentle, I'm not really awake yet.


Signs by Tesla? Too cliche?
 
2014-08-14 07:06:10 AM  
I want to say it was the Nissan Leaf I drove that actually gives off a small whine from the front when throttled, which turns into a back up beeper when in reverse. Kinda clever, kind of annoying. I guess it's soft enough when inside with windows up, but in a shop with window down it was plenty loud.

I'd actually love to own an electric car. But living in an old condo building and having an assigned spot way in the back of the lot would make it rather difficult ti charge. Even as a mechanic, I've long since gotten over my redneck love of petrol and bike to work 80% of the time. Even my girls commute is short enough to go electric. Keep my petrol car for out of town trips.

We do need something better. I really don't care about making noise. A dead quiet car with a clean awesome sounding stereo? Sign me up! fark road noise.
 
2014-08-14 07:09:58 AM  
This car makes a statement. It's the best way for an uber rich democrat to travel between anti coal means higher electricity bills and screw the middle class fund raisers. If you overlook the car possibly bursting into flames, all the other libs will really think you're cool for owning it.
 
2014-08-14 07:10:10 AM  

flondrix: dragonchild: robohobo: Cars are supposed to rumble. End of story.
Then install a subwoofer in the damn thing if you hate change so much.  End of story.

This.  It should be possible to make a Tesla sound like anything you want it to sound like.


Ooh, even the sound effect the flying cars made in the Jetsons?

And I might have to look into getting a Camry if they're so boring and reliable. I need a thing that carries me places and I'm sick of having expensive car trouble.
 
2014-08-14 07:13:56 AM  

ZAZ: Headline consistent with actual article. When it worked, it was great.


You don't understand. Consumer Reports is supposed to report only what the Egon Musk fanboy wants to hear. All other information is an attack by the oil companies and their stooges.
 
2014-08-14 07:14:09 AM  

Launch Code: This car makes a statement. It's the best way for an uber rich democrat to travel between anti coal means higher electricity bills and screw the middle class fund raisers. If you overlook the car possibly bursting into flames, all the other libs will really think you're cool for owning it.


And yet I got a post deleted for trying to start a flamewar by telling someone to put their money where their mouth was. Politics trolling? No problem.
 
2014-08-14 07:22:06 AM  
If you drive it people will think you're gay

NTTAWWT, unless you're not actually gay.
 
2014-08-14 07:25:33 AM  

flondrix: dragonchild: robohobo: Cars are supposed to rumble. End of story.
Then install a subwoofer in the damn thing if you hate change so much.  End of story.

This.  It should be possible to make a Tesla sound like anything you want it to sound like.


I recommend baseball cards in the spokes.
 
2014-08-14 07:32:58 AM  

Lanadapter: If you drive it people will think you're gay

NTTAWWT, unless you're not actually gay.


What the fark are you talking about?
 
2014-08-14 07:35:08 AM  

flondrix: Part of the reason electric cars get such good "mileage" is that the inherently wasteful step of converting fuel to heat to useful work has already been done, and doesn't get "counted" against the electric car. If the electricity used by the car were expressed in terms of the amount of coal burned to produce that electricity, and some sort of conversion factor between coal and gasoline, the numbers would look very different.


Yes, it absolutely does get counted.  It factors into the cost of electricity used to charge the car.  And electric cars are rated in terms of Gasoline gallon equivalent - which translates to 33.4 kWh per gallon, or about $3.40/gallon equivalent where I am.  The EPA MPGe takes it into account.  The Tesla is rated at 88 MPGe city, 90 MPGe highway, those numbers ARE directly comparable to gasoline, electric motors are MUCH more efficient than internal combustion engines, up to 90% is possible, with real world numbers around 60%.
 On the plus side, coal fired power plants can be held to stricter emissions requirements and have more sophisticated scrubbers, etc. I don't know off hand if coal fired power plants are more efficient as heat engines than automobile engines, but I suspect that they are. And of course, not all of the electricity has to come from coal, just most of it. That last is the best thing about electric cars--if we ever get serious about non-fossil-fuel electrical generation, it will be possible to use those same alternative energy sources to move cars around.

Large power plants are certainly more efficient than automobile engines.  Your best internal combustion engine is 25-30% efficient at best, with a real world efficiency around 15-20%.  A US coal plant is typically around 40-45%, the most recent designs are around 50%.  Combined heat and power plants can be 80% efficient.


And coal makes up less than 40% of US electricity production.  Yes, it's still the biggest single percentage, but it's declining rapidly, while wind is growing rapidly.  And zero emissions sources like renewables and nuclear are now at 25%.
 
2014-08-14 07:37:26 AM  

Lanadapter: If you drive it people will think you're gay

NTTAWWT, unless you're not actually gay.


Do you often worry that people think you're gay?
 
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