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(Talking Points Memo)   Republican National Committee formally condemns new AP US history exam for attempting to teach US History rather than US Hagiography   (talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2014-08-13 05:56:15 PM  
"How DARE you teach uncomfortable truths! This is 'murica, we can do no wrong!"
 
2014-08-13 05:57:22 PM  
FTFA: "Instead of striving to build a 'City upon a Hill,' as generations of students have been taught, the colonists are portrayed as bigots who developed 'a rigid racial hierarchy' that was in turn derived from 'a strong belief in British racial and cultural superiority,'" the letter reads. "The new Framework continues its theme of oppression and conflict by reinterpreting Manifest Destiny from a belief that America had a mission to spread democracy and new technologies across the continent to something that 'was built on a belief in white racial superiority and a sense of American cultural superiority.'"

Anyone who thinks Manifest Destiny was anything other than spreading white Anglo culture by force is not to be taken seriously. The whole point of it was to conquer territory and gain additional... let's call it "living space"... for the increasing U.S. population.
 
2014-08-13 05:58:23 PM  
You mean American history wasn't all puppies and rainbows?? THE OUTRAGE!
 
2014-08-13 06:18:21 PM  
TFA was maddeningly skimpy on specifics. It sounds like the RNC is just mad about the general tone of how history is taught. What specifically are they objecting to?
 
2014-08-13 06:20:46 PM  

DamnYankees: TFA was maddeningly skimpy on specifics. It sounds like the RNC is just mad about the general tone of how history is taught. What specifically are they objecting to?


The part where it isn't white-washed.
 
2014-08-13 06:27:40 PM  

DamnYankees: TFA was maddeningly skimpy on specifics. It sounds like the RNC is just mad about the general tone of how history is taught. What specifically are they objecting to?


The part where the civil war is not called the Northern war of aggression, and the parts where its pointed out that slaves were not better off as slaves.
 
2014-08-13 06:28:52 PM  

DamnYankees: TFA was maddeningly skimpy on specifics. It sounds like the RNC is just mad about the general tone of how history is taught. What specifically are they objecting to?


Not enough Civil War curriculum about Reagan.
 
2014-08-13 06:40:07 PM  
I'm 42, survivor of public eduction...

As I was taught Manifest Destiny...

"It's our right to take as much land as we can, we need to fill up the place, those damn Indians aren't doing anything with it!"
 
2014-08-13 06:48:19 PM  

DamnYankees: TFA was maddeningly skimpy on specifics. It sounds like the RNC is just mad about the general tone of how history is taught. What specifically are they objecting to?


I went through about 50 questions on the linked test exam and I still can't figure out WTF these teabaggers are talking about.
 
2014-08-13 06:52:16 PM  
God forbid we point out where the country fell short of our ideals so that we can learn from those mistakes and try to improve ourselves.
 
2014-08-13 07:06:36 PM  

Mentat: God forbid we point out where the country fell short of our ideals so that we can learn from those mistakes and try to improve ourselves.


MERKAN SEPSHUNALISM!
 
2014-08-13 07:09:28 PM  
Look, if it doesn't say that Jesus came to America with his Chosen in order to use Capitalism to Spread Freedom and Democracy and dispel the evil demons of Taxes, then it is a lie.
 
2014-08-13 07:15:05 PM  
It's sort of sad, that the words of one of America's best and most ardent of philosopher's words have been lost on some folks.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

That is what history has to teach us. How to NOT make the same damn mistakes, again and again. Teaching that we ROCK! all the time, does nothing but cement in our heads that we can do no wrong, and that is a terrible thing to teach children. Patriotism ISN'T cheering America, no matter what. Patriots revere the ideal, and work damn hard to deliver that ideal. Not just wave a flag, but do the hard work necessary. Sadly, we have a lot of armchair patriots who just think shouting real loud, and wearing colors makes them a patriot. Especially when they do so while attending a rally to limit their fellow citizens' rights, and insure that many will never become citizens. That's not "irony" even, that's a f*cking travesty, and many of y'all should be ashamed even trolling with that weak sh*t...
 
2014-08-13 07:15:19 PM  
But, in defense of the scholars, the text book does contain material regarding the dastardly and cowardly attack by the Germans on Pearl Harbor.
 
2014-08-13 07:15:34 PM  

It's a history for the 99%.

 
2014-08-13 07:17:12 PM  

baka-san: I'm 42, survivor of public eduction...

As I was taught Manifest Destiny...

"It's our right to take as much land as we can, we need to fill up the place, those damn Indians aren't doing anything with it!"


Were we wrong?
look out at all major settlements and economic activities from Salina to san Francisco. Do you see any possibility that a similar number of natives would ever enjoy a similar quality of life in the absence of this aggressive white expansion?
 
2014-08-13 07:17:13 PM  
There is still nothing exceptional about getting your butt saved by the french navy.
 
2014-08-13 07:18:22 PM  

BKITU: let's call it "living space"


Well, we all need a little elbow room.
 
2014-08-13 07:18:26 PM  
I had to go look up what Hagiography was. I guess I learned something new today.

Thanks, Fark.
 
2014-08-13 07:19:11 PM  

GentDirkly: look out at all major settlements and economic activities from Salina to san Francisco. Do you see any possibility that a similar number of natives would ever enjoy a similar quality of life in the absence of this aggressive white expansion?


Is this a real argument?
 
2014-08-13 07:19:18 PM  
Someone needs to tell them to calm down.  Genetic fallacy is no worse than any other logical fallacy.  "Such and such happened 200 years ago so America will always be bad." is something only idiots believe.  Read this thread if you don't believe me.
 
2014-08-13 07:20:19 PM  
Republican-


img.4plebs.org
 
2014-08-13 07:20:23 PM  
I got a 5 on that one...of course, I am liberal, and part of the requirement for the 5 was to shiat on a picture of Jesus and Ronald Reagan...so they may have a point.
 
2014-08-13 07:20:35 PM  

GentDirkly: baka-san: I'm 42, survivor of public eduction...

As I was taught Manifest Destiny...

"It's our right to take as much land as we can, we need to fill up the place, those damn Indians aren't doing anything with it!"

Were we wrong?
look out at all major settlements and economic activities from Salina to san Francisco. Do you see any possibility that a similar number of natives would ever enjoy a similar quality of life in the absence of this aggressive white expansion?


Was it a wrong thing to do?  Absolutely.   Was it successful and necessary for the growth of our nation? Absolutely.

Amazingly enough even bad things have historical importance.
 
2014-08-13 07:20:49 PM  

DamnYankees: TFA was maddeningly skimpy on specifics. It sounds like the RNC is just mad about the general tone of how history is taught. What specifically are they objecting to?


How specifically do you need it spelled out? TFA says they are upset that there's a trend away from the "city on the hill" mythos, and Americas right and destiny to spread democracy; and a focus on the remnants of the British economic caste system and American colonialism in its own right.

Some people have a problem with this because it conflicts with their worldview of America as benign patron. How much more "specific" does it have to be for you to get that?
 
2014-08-13 07:21:56 PM  
I took the AP US history exam 20 years ago, and the main essay question dealt with whether the atomic bomb attacks on Japan were done at the time because of concerns that the Soviet Union would try to take Japan. I don't know, sounds like a fair question to me.
 
2014-08-13 07:22:00 PM  
What do those historians think they are? Historians?

Also:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-08-13 07:22:00 PM  
api.ning.com
 
2014-08-13 07:22:09 PM  
I've got no problem with the statement that the British were motivated by their own superiority at the time. Just as the Romans were motivated by their superiority during their time. If you're going to push that it's something to be guilty for sit something to be taught in history, that's something that should be covered in the humanities department.
 
2014-08-13 07:22:53 PM  

dragyne: GentDirkly: baka-san: I'm 42, survivor of public eduction...

As I was taught Manifest Destiny...

"It's our right to take as much land as we can, we need to fill up the place, those damn Indians aren't doing anything with it!"

Were we wrong?
look out at all major settlements and economic activities from Salina to san Francisco. Do you see any possibility that a similar number of natives would ever enjoy a similar quality of life in the absence of this aggressive white expansion?

Was it a wrong thing to do?  Absolutely.   Was it successful and necessary for the growth of our nation? Absolutely.

Amazingly enough even bad things have historical importance.


Any sane person can link Nazi weapon research directly to space exploration as another example.
 
2014-08-13 07:23:19 PM  
History, if you are doing it right, is uncomfortable.
 
2014-08-13 07:23:32 PM  

Gyrfalcon: DamnYankees: TFA was maddeningly skimpy on specifics. It sounds like the RNC is just mad about the general tone of how history is taught. What specifically are they objecting to?

How specifically do you need it spelled out? TFA says they are upset that there's a trend away from the "city on the hill" mythos, and Americas right and destiny to spread democracy; and a focus on the remnants of the British economic caste system and American colonialism in its own right.

Some people have a problem with this because it conflicts with their worldview of America as benign patron. How much more "specific" does it have to be for you to get that?


I guess I was looking to see what specific historical facts were being taught they thought shouldn't be, and vice versa. It's hard to rebut a generalized argument about tones.
 
2014-08-13 07:23:36 PM  
Did you know that:

George Washington was 7' 11" tall; with laser beam eyes that never failed to kill. Also; He, Ben Franklin and George's horse fought the revolutionary war by themselves.

Ben Franklin farked all of the English officers' wives.

Thomas Jefferson singlehandedly wrote the Declaration and the Constitution.

Sam Adams singlehandedly brewed all the beer used in the revolution.

And, John Adams wrote a very sternly worded letter.

/ sit down, John
 
2014-08-13 07:23:54 PM  

baka-san: I'm 42, survivor of public eduction...

As I was taught Manifest Destiny...

"It's our right to take as much land as we can, we need to fill up the place, those damn Indians and the British/Russians/Spanish/Frencharen't doing anything with it!"


FTFY
 
2014-08-13 07:23:55 PM  

dyfsunctional: What do those historians think they are? Historians?

Also:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 268x384]


This book was required reading in my AP US history class.
 
2014-08-13 07:24:20 PM  
TFA: In the letter, conservatives also take issue with the omission of certain state history standards, including "181 post-Civil War items required by the Texas Standards."

That should be a biiiiiig hint as to where this is going.  Texas is ground zero for stuffing right-wing culture war into history books.  Out with Thomas "Separation of Church and State/America is not a Christian nation" Jefferson, hello, Ronnie Raygun and Newt!

Maybe they could satisfy these guys by adding a bonus question at the end:  "Which dinosaur did Jesus ride to work each morning?"
 
2014-08-13 07:25:04 PM  

hubiestubert: It's sort of sad, that the words of one of America's best and most ardent of philosopher's words have been lost on some folks.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

That is what history has to teach us. How to NOT make the same damn mistakes, again and again. Teaching that we ROCK! all the time, does nothing but cement in our heads that we can do no wrong, and that is a terrible thing to teach children. Patriotism ISN'T cheering America, no matter what. Patriots revere the ideal, and work damn hard to deliver that ideal. Not just wave a flag, but do the hard work necessary. Sadly, we have a lot of armchair patriots who just think shouting real loud, and wearing colors makes them a patriot. Especially when they do so while attending a rally to limit their fellow citizens' rights, and insure that many will never become citizens. That's not "irony" even, that's a f*cking travesty, and many of y'all should be ashamed even trolling with that weak sh*t...


You assume they consider our past mistakes, as mistakes or as mistakes in the same framework as you do.  They likely consider some mistakes as mistakes of another sort, as lost opportunities or incidences of not going far enough.
 
2014-08-13 07:26:25 PM  
"They didn't know the blankets contained smallpox, they just thought the Indians looked cold."
 
2014-08-13 07:28:00 PM  
"...Following the resolution, two conservative groups, American Principles in Action and Concerned Women for America, .."

Otherwise known as "Stepford Wives".  All they do is simply parrot the opinions of their misogynistic husbands.

hubiestubert: That is what history has to teach us. How to NOT make the same damn mistakes, again and again. Teaching that we ROCK! all the time, does nothing but cement in our heads that we can do no wrong


Here's a typical conservative brain.

s16.postimg.org
 
2014-08-13 07:29:35 PM  
The GOP hates education.

They want this taught as gospel.

howmanyprincesses.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-08-13 07:30:07 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: "...Following the resolution, two conservative groups, American Principles in Action and Concerned Women for America, .."

Otherwise known as "Stepford Wives".  All they do is simply parrot the opinions of their misogynistic husbands.

hubiestubert: That is what history has to teach us. How to NOT make the same damn mistakes, again and again. Teaching that we ROCK! all the time, does nothing but cement in our heads that we can do no wrong

Here's a typical conservative brain.

[s16.postimg.org image 254x156]


There's some pretty substantial support between the ears on that one. Must be the result of lots of studying it out.
 
2014-08-13 07:30:39 PM  

paygun: Someone needs to tell them to calm down.  Genetic fallacy is no worse than any other logical fallacy.  "Such and such happened 200 years ago so America will always be bad." is something only idiots believe.  Read this thread if you don't believe me.


Over on one of the local rightwing sites they discussing today how they can get more of the black vote. The conclusion is that they should remind black voters that Republicans were the ones who freed the slaves and that FDR was a racist. I'm sure discussing the Civil War and the Great Depression will conjure up the right images and help voters today see what it is that Republicans can do for them.
 
2014-08-13 07:30:53 PM  

DamnYankees: Gyrfalcon: DamnYankees: TFA was maddeningly skimpy on specifics. It sounds like the RNC is just mad about the general tone of how history is taught. What specifically are they objecting to?

How specifically do you need it spelled out? TFA says they are upset that there's a trend away from the "city on the hill" mythos, and Americas right and destiny to spread democracy; and a focus on the remnants of the British economic caste system and American colonialism in its own right.

Some people have a problem with this because it conflicts with their worldview of America as benign patron. How much more "specific" does it have to be for you to get that?

I guess I was looking to see what specific historical facts were being taught they thought shouldn't be, and vice versa. It's hard to rebut a generalized argument about tones.


For a more general example, look at "A People's History of the United States" and its conservative rebuttal, "A Patriot's History of the United States." In these two books, People's HIstory straight up says it is mostly covering a negative side of American history, but it explains why. While the conservative answer to it pretty much states "fark those liberals, America has always been awesome and here is why!!!." One is a fair way to report history while one is blatant nationalistic bullshiat.
 
2014-08-13 07:31:32 PM  
That's gotta be the easiest AP test ever. Every answer is "Ronald Reagan".
 
2014-08-13 07:31:48 PM  

dyfsunctional: What do those historians think they are? Historians?

Also:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 268x384]


I just started reading that, enjoying it muchly.

I especially like the point that casting forebearers as "heroes" dehumanizes them and, in some sense, trivializes their accomplishments. After all, what kind of an achievement is "founding a new country" to a group of demigods?
 
2014-08-13 07:32:41 PM  
 
2014-08-13 07:35:48 PM  

iheartscotch: Did you know that:

George Washington was 7' 11" tall; with laser beam eyes that never failed to kill. Also; He, Ben Franklin and George's horse fought the revolutionary war by themselves.

Ben Franklin farked all of the English officers' wives.

Thomas Jefferson singlehandedly wrote the Declaration and the Constitution.

Sam Adams singlehandedly brewed all the beer used in the revolution.

And, John Adams wrote a very sternly worded letter.

/ sit down, John


Two of those things are more correct than the others, and I will tell you only one: John Adams wrote a number of very sternly-worded letters.

/Franklin also farked
//A lot
///Might have been a few British officers' wives, too
 
2014-08-13 07:37:26 PM  
America sucks and Americans are stupid, except for those of us who know that America sucks and Americans are stupid, and say that America sucks and Americans are stupid.  We're the FEW good people who live in this country.  All other countries and peoples are better, more moral, more intelligent, and can rightfully have even briefly patriotic feelings about their country.  But America is a farking shiathole that began on a horrific which continues to this day.

mur'ca!
murica!
'merka!
'mericuh!

Started as a wee lad murdering an entire continent, and in a short few hundred years is now so powerful (only because it exploited and farked over other countries, including letting everyone else do all the real fighting and take the real losses in two world wars) it murders around the globe, and even farks the planet itself over!  UhMERIcuh!


"We teach ourselves that we ROCK all the time, and that's dangerous!"  Except we don't.  You can't say a single positive thing about this country without, well, fark, a thread like this.  Our most popular television programs include three or four that ridicule this country and everything about it on a weekly and, in at least two cases, nightly basis.  Our most popular and esteemed journalists and news sources make their bread and butter pointing out the dark truths of American history, the hypocrisies of American behavior, the inferiority of American INSERT_NAME_OF_ANYTHING.

We haven't taught ourselves that "we rock all the time" for 40 farking years.  If you think otherwise, you're obsessing over remnants.  Mission accomplish, bro.  The only people who teach, speak or even imply that we "ROCK" are shouted down, mocked, demeaned and treated as brain damaged.
 
2014-08-13 07:38:35 PM  

Krustofsky: I took the AP US history exam 20 years ago, and the main essay question dealt with whether the atomic bomb attacks on Japan were done at the time because of concerns that the Soviet Union would try to take Japan. I don't know, sounds like a fair question to me.


Well, that and to show the Soviets we'd built one that worked.

They already knew.
 
2014-08-13 07:39:22 PM  

sandreckoner: America sucks and Americans are stupid, except for those of us who know that America sucks and Americans are stupid, and say that America sucks and Americans are stupid.  We're the FEW good people who live in this country.  All other countries and peoples are better, more moral, more intelligent, and can rightfully have even briefly patriotic feelings about their country.  But America is a farking shiathole that began on a horrific which continues to this day.

mur'ca!
murica!
'merka!
'mericuh!

Started as a wee lad murdering an entire continent, and in a short few hundred years is now so powerful (only because it exploited and farked over other countries, including letting everyone else do all the real fighting and take the real losses in two world wars) it murders around the globe, and even farks the planet itself over!  UhMERIcuh!


"We teach ourselves that we ROCK all the time, and that's dangerous!"  Except we don't.  You can't say a single positive thing about this country without, well, fark, a thread like this.  Our most popular television programs include three or four that ridicule this country and everything about it on a weekly and, in at least two cases, nightly basis.  Our most popular and esteemed journalists and news sources make their bread and butter pointing out the dark truths of American history, the hypocrisies of American behavior, the inferiority of American INSERT_NAME_OF_ANYTHING.

We haven't taught ourselves that "we rock all the time" for 40 farking years.  If you think otherwise, you're obsessing over remnants.  Mission accomplish, bro.  The only people who teach, speak or even imply that we "ROCK" are shouted down, mocked, demeaned and treated as brain damaged.


You sure typed words.
 
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