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(Breitbart.com)   You might have to sit down and take a deep breath for this one: Americans believe they have no influence on US policy   (breitbart.com ) divider line
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2014-08-13 09:14:59 AM  
Well, if Republicans have their way, just 1% of Americans will be able to afford to influence policy.  So it sounds like their plan is working just fine.
 
2014-08-13 09:20:01 AM  
We get to make our inputs every four years or so. Foreign policy isn't something that should be determined by the emotions of the masses.
 
2014-08-13 09:41:16 AM  
So are the clowns at Deadasshole suggesting policy be based on opinion polls?
 
2014-08-13 09:50:07 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: So are the clowns at Deadasshole suggesting policy be based on opinion polls?


If we were doing that during the last presidency, we would've bombed France with Kraft American "Cheese" Singles while en route to Iraq.
 
2014-08-13 10:05:02 AM  
And in other news, people still believe their votes count
 
2014-08-13 10:06:35 AM  

Diogenes: Well, if Republicans have their way, just 1% of Americans will be able to afford to influence policy.  So it sounds like their plan is working just fine.


Yep. In the GOP logic, it's not what you know, but who you bribe
 
2014-08-13 10:24:00 AM  
 Will somebody please tell that to the Fifty-First Fighting Keyboard Division in the Fark Politics Tab?
 
2014-08-13 10:55:10 AM  
A startling new political science study concludes that corporate interests and mega wealthy individuals control U.S. policy to such a degree...

When did "startling" become a synonym for "sadly obvious"?
 
2014-08-13 10:55:39 AM  
Since I refuse to click a Breitbart link on moral grounds, is Breitbart for or against this?
 
2014-08-13 11:07:14 AM  

Ennuipoet: Since I refuse to click a Breitbart link on moral grounds, is Breitbart for or against this?


They're just asking questions.
 
2014-08-13 11:09:42 AM  

Ennuipoet: Since I refuse to click a Breitbart link on moral grounds, is Breitbart for or against this?


They're against it, but spin it to be anti-immigrant.
 
2014-08-13 11:17:46 AM  
This is why we're pretty much doomed to reelect the same people to Congress, over and over.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-08-13 11:21:21 AM  
and because it's on brightshart I'm sure the best way to solve that is to give tax cuts to the rich cut social services for the poor and raise taxes on the middle class.
 
2014-08-13 11:26:56 AM  

Headso: and because it's on brightshart I'm sure the best way to solve that is to give tax cuts to the rich cut social services for the poor and raise taxes on the middle class.


You forgot:  brutalize immigrants and harvest their organs.
 
2014-08-13 11:33:03 AM  

Diogenes: You forgot:  brutalize immigrants and harvest their organs.


That's the angle they're taking on this one.
 
2014-08-13 11:41:45 AM  

doyner: Diogenes: You forgot:  brutalize immigrants and harvest their organs.

That's the angle they're taking on this one.


Ha!  Boy, I really nailed it without even RTFA.

The study's findings align with recent trends, where corporate elites have aggressively pursued pro-amnesty policies despite the fact that, according to the most recent Reuters poll, 70% of Americans believe illegal immigrants "threaten traditional U.S. beliefs and customs," and 63% believe "immigrants place a burden on the economy."

The solution, say the scholars, is a reinvigorated and engaged electorate.

"If policymaking is dominated by powerful business organizations and a small number of affluent Americans, then America's claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened," conclude Gilens and Page.


I thought corporate elites, business organizations, and affluent Americans were our betters, and that we should defer to them on all things?  How could they be wrong on immigration?
 
2014-08-13 11:48:35 AM  
handbill.us
 
2014-08-13 12:09:04 PM  

Ennuipoet: Since I refuse to click a Breitbart link on moral grounds, is Breitbart for or against this?


We checked in with him - turns out he's an irrelevant dead liar. So that's good news for everyone.
 
2014-08-13 12:45:59 PM  
the best policies money can buy!
 
2014-08-13 12:49:31 PM  
Yes, BigDeadBreitbart.com, thanks to the policies and politicians you support (primarily but certainly not exclusively), the schmoes have no say.  You must be so very proud.
 
2014-08-13 12:55:34 PM  

MrBallou: A startling new political science study concludes that corporate interests and mega wealthy individuals control U.S. policy to such a degree...

When did "startling" become a synonym for "sadly obvious"?


You'll have to forgive him, he's a Republican.
 
2014-08-13 12:58:53 PM  

Trance750: Diogenes: Well, if Republicans have their way, just 1% of Americans will be able to afford to influence policy.  So it sounds like their plan is working just fine.

Yep. In the GOP logic, it's not what you know, but who you bribe


That sort of reasoning only validates this defeatist opinion. If you think your opinion doesn't matter just because some old white men decides everything for us due to their Freemason or Jewish or Republican or Mediamonger global conspiracy connections, you're better off excusing yourself from any serious conversation. If you're convinced there's a boot on your face stamping on you forever, who are we to tell you otherwise? Go ahead with your masochistic fantasies and let the other intellectuals do the work.
 
2014-08-13 01:01:42 PM  

rjakobi: Trance750: Diogenes: Well, if Republicans have their way, just 1% of Americans will be able to afford to influence policy.  So it sounds like their plan is working just fine.

Yep. In the GOP logic, it's not what you know, but who you bribe

That sort of reasoning only validates this defeatist opinion. If you think your opinion doesn't matter just because some old white men decides everything for us due to their Freemason or Jewish or Republican or Mediamonger global conspiracy connections, you're better off excusing yourself from any serious conversation. If you're convinced there's a boot on your face stamping on you forever, who are we to tell you otherwise? Go ahead with your masochistic fantasies and let the other intellectuals do the work.


Prove me wrong

You can't, because you know I am not
 
2014-08-13 01:04:42 PM  
When the laws are being written by the top 1%, and now the Political process is not controlled by two parties.  The whole system is designed to prevent the average voter from influencing anything.

Too many just rather watch TV then bother with it anymore.

The Brave New World is here and now
 
2014-08-13 01:06:15 PM  
I serve in local government.. and I can tell you that for the most part all you do is rubber stamp what the county and state tell you to do.
 
2014-08-13 01:10:42 PM  
Title is misleading. Rich *AMERICANS* are *AMERICANS* too, and they know their voices are heard loud and clear.
 
2014-08-13 01:12:11 PM  

kkinnison: When the laws are being written by the top 1%, and now the Political process is not controlled by two parties.  The whole system is designed to prevent the average voter from influencing anything.

Too many just rather watch TV then bother with it anymore.

The Brave New World is here and now


Congratulations. You're now the 1 millionth person who's read "Brave New World" and felt it matched up exactly to the current time in which you read it. But, yeah, those other 999,999 were totally wrong.

Now, please enlighten us dullards with even more of your wisdom! How closely do you feel our society resembles that of the motion picture "Idiocracy?"
 
2014-08-13 01:14:08 PM  
it;s probably true... but breitbart.
 
2014-08-13 01:18:29 PM  
When I marched with thousands and thousands of others through the streets of Manhattan in 2003, I knew, as we all knew, we had no influence over the Iraq War, but we did so anyway.
 
2014-08-13 01:38:13 PM  
Headline: "Americans believe X"
Study discussed in TFA: "X is empirically true"

EyeballKid: Now, please enlighten us dullards with even more of your wisdom! How closely do you feel our society resembles that of the motion picture "Idiocracy?"

The real question is, "How much does our society resemble 'Howard the Duck'?".
 
2014-08-13 01:41:13 PM  

RanDomino: The real question is, "How much does our society resemble 'Howard the Duck'?".


Not enough.  It will never be enough.
 
2014-08-13 01:52:09 PM  
The only people with influence are corporations. Since they're totally people and all. With free speech rights and religious freedoms. They have the money to have all the speech, while Joe Trailerpark doesn't have squat therefore no speech for him.
 
2014-08-13 01:57:11 PM  

RanDomino: Headline: "Americans believe X"
Study discussed in TFA: "X is empirically true"

EyeballKid: Now, please enlighten us dullards with even more of your wisdom! How closely do you feel our society resembles that of the motion picture "Idiocracy?"
The real question is, "How much does our society resemble 'Howard the Duck'?".


Idiocracy is more apt.

Welcome to Costco.  I love you.
 
2014-08-13 02:14:09 PM  
From the link in the article.

Taken as a whole, then, our evidence strongly indicates that theories of Biased Pluralism are more descriptive of political reality than are theories of Majoritarian Pluralism. It is simply not the case that a host of diverse, broadly based interest groups take policy stands - and bring about actual policies - that reflect what the general public wants. Interest groups as a whole do not seek the same policies as average citizens do. "Potential groups" do not fill the gap.

Relatively few mass-based interest groups are active, they do not (in the aggregate) represent the public very well, and they have less collective impact on policy than do business-oriented groups - whose stands tend to be negatively related to the preferences of average citizens. These business groups are far more numerous and active; they spend much more money; and they tend to get their way.


Basically organizations like the US CoC and the .01% make the rules that benefit themselves through their over influence on Congress consistently while other special interest groups have some but much less affect and public opinion remains something a politician gives lip service to while fulfilling a corporate friendly oligarchical agenda.

Even more simply... "The Golden Rule remains: He who has the gold makes the rules."

/I actually prefer the other Golden Rule myself.
 
2014-08-13 02:15:32 PM  
Actually, we the people do have quite a lot of influence, it's just that we believe and want stupid things.

We want extremist partisan pandering hacks representing us, ones that won't work with those evil extremist partisan hacks on the other side of the aisle.

We want the rich to keep their wealth and not have to help anyone else, not even after they die, because we're certain we'll be one of them someday.

We want lots and lots of guns, we want our kids to believe Jeebus disproves all that sciency stuff, and we'll make the world love us by relentlessly slaughtering anyone who doesn't.

We are grateful to those corporations for letting us get a paycheck so we can sneer at the poor fark one rung down the ladder, and having some mentally ill guy sleeping in a doorway makes us feel even more superior.

We believe we are the greatest nation on earth because this cruel dystopia is exactly what most of us want. Huge chunks of America sneered at hope and change because they don't like hope and they don't want change.
 
2014-08-13 02:16:43 PM  

Diogenes: Ennuipoet: Since I refuse to click a Breitbart link on moral grounds, is Breitbart for or against this?

They're just asking questions.


Boil 'em?
Mash 'em?
Stick 'em in a stew?
 
2014-08-13 02:20:52 PM  

menschenfresser: The only people with influence are corporations. Since they're totally people and all. With free speech rights and religious freedoms. They have the money to have all the speech, while Joe Trailerpark doesn't have squat therefore no speech for him.



From today's business tab

Comcast spends $130,000 to honor the regulator that will review their merger. Gala expected to start between 4PM and 7PM
 
2014-08-13 02:30:23 PM  

nyseattitude: Diogenes: Ennuipoet: Since I refuse to click a Breitbart link on moral grounds, is Breitbart for or against this?

They're just asking questions.

Boil 'em?
Mash 'em?
Stick 'em in a stew?


PO TA TO!
 
2014-08-13 02:33:07 PM  
The only solution is to vote for the plucky upstarts in the Tea Party that are totally not 101% owned by a big bunch of Kochs.
 
2014-08-13 02:34:47 PM  

Diogenes: Well, if Republicans have their way, just 1% of Americans will be able to afford to influence policy.  So it sounds like their plan is working just fine.


Don't you think that number is too high?
 
2014-08-13 03:11:19 PM  

MisterRonbo: Huge chunks of America sneered at hope and change because they don't like hope and they don't want change.


And even larger chunks believed the hype.
 
2014-08-13 03:14:15 PM  

nyseattitude: menschenfresser: The only people with influence are corporations. Since they're totally people and all. With free speech rights and religious freedoms. They have the money to have all the speech, while Joe Trailerpark doesn't have squat therefore no speech for him.


From today's business tab

Comcast spends $130,000 to honor the regulator that will review their merger. Gala expected to start between 4PM and 7PM


:|
 
2014-08-13 03:49:54 PM  
'Muricans do have an influence on their government: if they happen to be among the wealthiest 2%, that is.

the rest of you stop whining and get back to work!
 
2014-08-13 03:50:36 PM  
You might have to sit down bend over and take a deep breath for this one: Americans believe know they have no influence on US policy.


/FTFY subby
 
2014-08-13 03:51:28 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: [handbill.us image 850x566]



Sh*tt Rmoney has no Friends.  only business associates.  he doesn't know it yet, though.
 
2014-08-13 03:53:13 PM  

nyseattitude: menschenfresser: The only people with influence are corporations. Since they're totally people and all. With free speech rights and religious freedoms. They have the money to have all the speech, while Joe Trailerpark doesn't have squat therefore no speech for him.


From today's business tab

Comcast spends $130,000 to honor the regulator that will review their merger. Gala expected to start between 4PM and 7PM


I would like to ask "how is this even legal" but then I remember that this country isn't actually the shining beacon of liberty and freedom for the people that we were sold in school when we were children. May as well be Guatemala since anything and everything is "legal" for the right price.
 
2014-08-13 03:53:16 PM  

dwrash: I serve in local government.. and I can tell you that for the most part all you do is rubber stamp what the county and state tell you to do.


now, pray tell, have you figured out who owns the county and state governments???   'The People' is the wrong answer.
 
2014-08-13 03:55:05 PM  

kkinnison: When the laws are being written by the top 1%, and now the Political process is not controlled by two parties.  The whole system is designed to prevent the average voter from influencing anything.

Too many just rather watch TV then bother with it anymore.

The Brave New World is here and now



and the scary part is that, one day, we may look upon these days and say: Those were the good ole' days......
 
2014-08-13 04:00:12 PM  

menschenfresser: I would like to ask "how is this even legal" but then I remember that this country isn't actually the shining beacon of liberty and freedom for the people that we were sold in school when we were children.


Why can't I accept this?

Christ, it was easier to give up my childhood religion than it is to give up on my country.

I still have ideals, dammit!
 
2014-08-13 04:24:40 PM  

Trance750: And in other news, people still believe their votes count


The votes are fine, it's the lamebrains and fossils they're given to and the system that filters out any semblance of choice by removing everyone else. If you ask me, primaries should be banned.
 
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