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(NPR)   Can you tell the difference between 43 and 44?   (npr.org) divider line 197
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2014-08-13 09:16:23 AM  
42.  The answer is 42.
 
2014-08-13 09:27:57 AM  
That's right, they are 100% the same.
 
2014-08-13 09:37:04 AM  
One of them is blah.
 
2014-08-13 09:39:50 AM  
Are we talking very large values of 43 and very small values of 44 because if so they effectively the same.
 
2014-08-13 09:51:15 AM  
The only difference I see is when one of them did something - it was evil, wrong, the end of the universe.
When the other did the same thing - it was wonderful, great, a dawn of a new wonderful era.

Now, which is which is depends on the outlet you get your news from.
 
2014-08-13 09:56:36 AM  
44 = black
43 = white
 
2014-08-13 10:00:16 AM  
Thanks for your insight, Nader voter blogger
 
2014-08-13 10:17:27 AM  
obama authorized strikes in iraq to prevent a humanitarian disaster AFTER bush had illegally invaded it. these things are not the same.
 
2014-08-13 10:26:22 AM  
So Obama hasn't un-farked everything that Bush has farked up, due not in small part to an obstructionist congress, we get that.
 
2014-08-13 10:33:03 AM  
Yes, being asked by the Iraqi government for help in fighting a rampaging horde attempting a takeover is the same thing as invading a country to depose its leader under false pretenses.

And the Guantanamo Bay thing is particularly disingenuous.
 
2014-08-13 10:45:56 AM  
1) ... authorized military attacks on Iraqi targets? Bush or Obama

Both of them, since there was a farking war going on? They're the farking Commanders in Chief. What the fark do you expect them to do?

2) ... said we are "a nation of immigrants," but our immigration system needs fixing? Bush or Obama

Probably both of them. But Bush didn't mean it.

3) ... sparked protests by not closing the Guantanamo Bay detention facility? Bush or Obama

That was definitely Obama, since no one really gave a shiat about Guantanamo Bay being open while Bush was in charge. Obama would have closed it if it weren't for the GOP cock-blocking him at every turn, so this is not Obama's fault.

4) ... supported increased domestic oil and gas production? Bush or Obama

Yes, it is a well-known fact that Big Oil and the banks run our country. Next question.

5) ... experienced lackluster popular support midsummer in the middle of his second term? His job approval rating was at 40 percent while his disapproval rating was in the mid-50s. Bush or Obama

That's probably way more Presidents than just Bush and Obama.

6) ... endorsed increased surveillance of everyday Americans? Bush or Obama

Sadly, both of them. And shame on both of them for that.

Why YES, I see it now! THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME! OH MY GOD! BUSH HAS BEEN PRESIDENT FOR THIRTEEN YEARS NOW!
 
2014-08-13 10:52:13 AM  
Cherry picking to support your confirmation bias.

He must be on Fark.
 
2014-08-13 10:59:33 AM  
Clearly, BSAB, so I should vote Republican.

The stupid thing about this argument is that if Obama is exactly like Bush, the the Right Wing should be supporting his policies exactly like they did for Bush.
 
2014-08-13 11:27:37 AM  
Well, for one thing, Obama didn't get us into an unnecessary and diversionary war in the Iraq, removing troops and resources from Afghanistan. That's one big difference right there.
 
2014-08-13 11:54:02 AM  

MrBallou: Clearly, BSAB, so I should vote Republican.

The stupid thing about this argument is that if Obama is exactly like Bush, the the Right Wing should be supporting his policies exactly like they did for Bush.


Well Obamacare is supposedly pretty much like Romneycare and they're still calling it socialist Marxist anarchist socialism. Did I say socialism twice?
 
2014-08-13 12:01:28 PM  

Mugato: MrBallou: Clearly, BSAB, so I should vote Republican.

The stupid thing about this argument is that if Obama is exactly like Bush, the the Right Wing should be supporting his policies exactly like they did for Bush.

Well Obamacare is supposedly pretty much like Romneycare and they're still calling it socialist Marxist anarchist socialism. Did I say socialism twice?


Basically, they are calling a law preserving private insurance, socialism.  It is like words have no meaning to these people.
 
2014-08-13 12:06:49 PM  

Lando Lincoln: 1) ... authorized military attacks on Iraqi targets? Bush or Obama

Both of them, since there was a farking war going on? They're the farking Commanders in Chief. What the fark do you expect them to do?

2) ... said we are "a nation of immigrants," but our immigration system needs fixing? Bush or Obama

Probably both of them. But Bush didn't mean it.

There is a good possibility that Bush didn't even understand what has saying.

3) ... sparked protests by not closing the Guantanamo Bay detention facility? Bush or Obama

That was definitely Obama, since no one really gave a shiat about Guantanamo Bay being open while Bush was in charge. Obama would have closed it if it weren't for the GOP cock-blocking him at every turn, so this is not Obama's fault.

Obama could close GITMO any time he wants.  The GOP cock-blocking is convenient for him at this point.  It is like that fat chick at the bar you don't really want to go home with and your buddies argue you out of it and you pretend you are really pissed off at them.

4) ... supported increased domestic oil and gas production? Bush or Obama

Yes, it is a well-known fact that Big Oil and the banks run our country. Next question.

5) ... experienced lackluster popular support midsummer in the middle of his second term? His job approval rating was at 40 percent while his disapproval rating was in the mid-50s. Bush or Obama

That's probably way more Presidents than just Bush and Obama.

6) ... endorsed increased surveillance of everyday Americans? Bush or Obama

Sadly, both of them. And shame on both of them for that.

This.

Why YES, I see it now! THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME! OH MY GOD! BUSH HAS BEEN PRESIDENT FOR THIRTEEN YEARS NOW!


I like lists.  Truth is, everything I hate about Obama are things that line up with Bush. In every way he is different, I like him.
 
2014-08-13 12:23:10 PM  
 
2014-08-13 12:27:28 PM  
Bush 43's Supreme Court nominees would have been FAR different than Sotomayor and Kagan.

/that's different enough for me
 
2014-08-13 12:28:40 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: 42.  The answer is 42.


mcgreggers99: What about 46 & 2?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYKLvYGqaC0


Both answers are correct
 
2014-08-13 12:28:42 PM  

JerseyTim: And the Guantanamo Bay thing is particularly disingenuous.


yeah, it's mostly right but that part about Gitmo is bullshiat. Bush built Gitmo. Congress stopped Obama from shutting it down.
 
2014-08-13 12:30:20 PM  
wow, way to both sides are bad NPR...1) ... authorized military attacks on Iraqi targets?

Like invading a nation all based on lies with hundreds of thousands of troops and trillions of dollars is the same as dropping some bombs on fundamentalists killing civilians, getthefarkouttaherewiththatshiat
 
2014-08-13 12:30:36 PM  
43 =  God fearing patriotic American who had divine guidance in leading America to glory

44 =  Muslim Kenyan who eats a lot of crackers while plotting to destroy traditional Christian America.

Something like that.
 
2014-08-13 12:31:41 PM  

Lando Lincoln: 2) ... said we are "a nation of immigrants," but our immigration system needs fixing? Bush or Obama

Probably both of them. But Bush didn't mean it.


Bush had a major conflict with his party over that issue, actually, and lost pretty much by virtue of being in the wrong branch of government to pass laws.

His first proposal on the issue actually involved an explicit amnesty, if I'm remembering right, and the argument kinda went to shiat from there.

Also, asserting that Obama can't shut down Guantanamo pretty much unilaterally is at best disingenuous.  He easily has the option of saying that, since the JD needs to transfer the prisoners to try them and congress won't fund transfers... no one gets prosecuted and all the prisoners walk.  Which, conveniently, is also the legally and morally correct action.

He hasn't done this because he's entirely, wholeheartedly in favor of the fundamental underlying sin, the detention of political prisoners without trial.  It's not the damned  mailing address of the prison that's the problem, man, it's the detention without trial part.  Moving them to the US helps resolve some issues of jurisdiction, but it does nothing for the underlying issue, which Obama has intentionally contributed to just as much as Bush.
 
2014-08-13 12:32:32 PM  

Lando Lincoln: 2) ... said we are "a nation of immigrants," but our immigration system needs fixing? Bush or Obama

Probably both of them. But Bush didn't mean it.


I'd disagree with that.  To be fair to Bush Jr. he did make outreach to the Hispanic population a priority while he was Governor of Texas.  His party on the other hand is primarily controlled by Nativists so fixing the system was never gonna happen.
 
2014-08-13 12:33:34 PM  

Headso: wow, way to both sides are bad NPR...1) ... authorized military attacks on Iraqi targets?


OHMYGOD

Obama is just like Hugalu Khan

OMG OMG OMG
 
2014-08-13 12:33:52 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Also, asserting that Obama can't shut down Guantanamo pretty much unilaterally is at best disingenuous.  He easily has the option of saying that, since the JD needs to transfer the prisoners to try them and congress won't fund transfers... no one gets prosecuted and all the prisoners walk.


Yeah, no one would bring up impeachment proceedings for THAT move.
 
2014-08-13 12:34:05 PM  
So they both did/say the same things.  Since there is such a fervent hate for Bush, and Obama is acting/saying the same things as Bush, why doesn't everyone have the same hate for Obama?
 
2014-08-13 12:35:30 PM  
"presidents are never fully independent actors; they are hemmed in by Congress, partisanship, federalism, specific circumstances, resources, economic realities, domestic and world opinion, and many other factors. Not surprisingly, over time, presidents end up agreeing more than disagreeing, or at least understanding why other presidents did what they did on a wide range of controversial matters."

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

...eerie coincidence...

These words...

[inigomontoya]
 
2014-08-13 12:36:57 PM  
Oh god, W was the 43rd President by the official count, and Obama is actually the 43rd person to be President....They are the same!!!!!
 
2014-08-13 12:37:36 PM  

Headso: wow, way to both sides are bad NPR...1) ... authorized military attacks on Iraqi targets?

Like invading a nation all based on lies with hundreds of thousands of troops and trillions of dollars is the same as dropping some bombs on fundamentalists killing civilians, getthefarkouttaherewiththatshiat


Someone needs a false equivalency table:

Katrina = Mustard-gate
9/11 = Benghazi
Iraq Invasion based on lies = targeting bombings to prevent genocide
torture = Obama getting a marine to hold an umbrella for him
Watergate = IRS challenging political groups claiming not to be political
Hundreds of Billions of money given in secret no-bid contracts = a $500 Million loss of loan guarantee to Solyndra under a broader successful renewable energy program
 
2014-08-13 12:37:40 PM  
They both have two eyes and two ears!  They both have limbs!  They have a skin covering most of their bones, except the teeth!  They speak by sending waves of air over their vocal cords!  They normally ambulate using their lower extremities, including thighs, knees, shins and a complex apparatus that comprises the feet!

They are clearly the same!  I, braniac from NPR, win!
 
2014-08-13 12:38:18 PM  
just like i didn't vote for Bush (in 2004) i'll never for for Obama again.

or hillary. dear lord what a fark up that would be.
 
2014-08-13 12:39:54 PM  

Curious: just like i didn't vote for Bush (in 2004) i'll never for for Obama again.

or hillary. dear lord what a fark up that would be.


And if your only other (viable) option is  Rubio, Cruz, or even Romney?
 
2014-08-13 12:40:30 PM  

mrshowrules: Headso: wow, way to both sides are bad NPR...1) ... authorized military attacks on Iraqi targets?

Like invading a nation all based on lies with hundreds of thousands of troops and trillions of dollars is the same as dropping some bombs on fundamentalists killing civilians, getthefarkouttaherewiththatshiat

Someone needs a false equivalency table:

Katrina = Mustard-gate
9/11 = Benghazi
Iraq Invasion based on lies = targeting bombings to prevent genocide
torture = Obama getting a marine to hold an umbrella for him
Watergate = IRS challenging political groups claiming not to be political
Hundreds of Billions of money given in secret no-bid contracts = a $500 Million loss of loan guarantee to Solyndra under a broader successful renewable energy program


The only problem with this is right wingers don't see the Bush things as being failures.
 
2014-08-13 12:40:32 PM  

Curious: just like i didn't vote for Bush (in 2004) i'll never for for Obama again.

or hillary. dear lord what a fark up that would be.


Just think if Hillary gets in, it's be another 4 years of Obama-like failed polices and lies.
No thank you.  We're done.
 
2014-08-13 12:42:31 PM  

yanceylebeef: Well, for one thing, Obama didn't get us into an unnecessary and diversionary war in the Iraq, removing troops and resources from Afghanistan. That's one big difference right there.


And for another, Bush had Congressional authorization prior to introducing US personnel to, and using military force in, an active war zone.


/woops, am I not doing this right?
 
2014-08-13 12:42:50 PM  
Yeah other than:
Abortion
Labor rights
minimum wage
women pay equality
gay marriage
stimulus
taxes
healthcare
and about 100 more things, they are EXACTLY the same!
 
2014-08-13 12:43:04 PM  
So Bush was a Marxist liberal hell bent on creating a US caliphate to honor his Kenyan forefathers but was too weak willed to see the process through?
 
2014-08-13 12:43:19 PM  

unlikely: That's right, they are 100% the same.


Obviously not. But there are a lot of Bush's policies that Obama has continued. This shouldn't be surprising, though, as Obama isn't a liberal.
 
2014-08-13 12:44:09 PM  
And that time when Obama ignored warnings and let 4 planes get hijacked, crashed in to the WTC, killing 3,000+ Americans and then invaded Iraq.

That's the best.
 
2014-08-13 12:44:44 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Jim_Callahan: Also, asserting that Obama can't shut down Guantanamo pretty much unilaterally is at best disingenuous.  He easily has the option of saying that, since the JD needs to transfer the prisoners to try them and congress won't fund transfers... no one gets prosecuted and all the prisoners walk.

Yeah, no one would bring up impeachment proceedings for THAT move.


Except that, were he to do that, he'd be so unambiguously on the right side of the law that even Scalia would probably file a brief supporting him if it came down to actually putting up instead of editorializing.  I'd like to say the same thing would happen in the congress, but congress would be uselessly deadlocked like on everything.
 
2014-08-13 12:44:44 PM  

Lando Lincoln: 1) ... authorized military attacks on Iraqi targets? Bush or Obama

Both of them, since there was a farking war going on? They're the farking Commanders in Chief. What the fark do you expect them to do?

2) ... said we are "a nation of immigrants," but our immigration system needs fixing? Bush or Obama

Probably both of them. But Bush didn't mean it.

3) ... sparked protests by not closing the Guantanamo Bay detention facility? Bush or Obama

That was definitely Obama, since no one really gave a shiat about Guantanamo Bay being open while Bush was in charge. Obama would have closed it if it weren't for the GOP cock-blocking him at every turn, so this is not Obama's fault.

4) ... supported increased domestic oil and gas production? Bush or Obama

Yes, it is a well-known fact that Big Oil and the banks run our country. Next question.

5) ... experienced lackluster popular support midsummer in the middle of his second term? His job approval rating was at 40 percent while his disapproval rating was in the mid-50s. Bush or Obama

That's probably way more Presidents than just Bush and Obama.

6) ... endorsed increased surveillance of everyday Americans? Bush or Obama

Sadly, both of them. And shame on both of them for that.

Why YES, I see it now! THEY ARE BOTH THE SAME! OH MY GOD! BUSH HAS BEEN PRESIDENT FOR THIRTEEN YEARS NOW!


Yeah, this is the kind of crap "evenhanded" reporting that gives the "both sides are bad" folks their ideas.  1) Iraq.  Bush invaded a foreign country to depose its leadership.  Obama is engaging in humanitarian and support measures in conjunction with local forces to repel a terrorist march.  These situations are worlds apart But if all you say is "attacked in Iraq" yeah, it's technically true.  2) Nation of immigrants.  Sure, they both said that, but they mean different things.  A republican saying "fix the immigration system" means "deport all brown people" A democrat saying "fix the system" means "make it actually possible for people to come here legally, and make the system humane."  3) Bush got heat for not closing Guantanamo because he opened it.  Obama got heat for promising to close it but not getting it done.  So same type of criticism? Sure.  Exactly the same? Hardly.  I could go on, but you can see my point.  Shame on you, NPR.  You shouldn't oversimplify complex issues just so you can pretend different situations are the same.  That's hack journalism.
 
2014-08-13 12:44:47 PM  
The answer is "1".
 
2014-08-13 12:46:35 PM  

mistrmind: So they both did/say the same things.  Since there is such a fervent hate for Bush, and Obama is acting/saying the same things as Bush, why doesn't everyone have the same hate for Obama?


Well, let's just take that on face value that they do and say the same things, but Obama seems to be getting more hate than Bush, because Bush only got hate from the left wing, while the right wing loved every minute of it. This time, Obama gets hate from both sides, because some people think he is the libbiest lib to ever lib while liberals think he is too conservative. So Obama getting less hate than Bush? I don't think so.
 
2014-08-13 12:48:18 PM  

mistrmind: Curious: just like i didn't vote for Bush (in 2004) i'll never for for Obama again.

or hillary. dear lord what a fark up that would be.

Just think if Hillary gets in, it's be another 4 years of Obama-like failed polices and lies.
No thank you.  We're done.


Better her than any one of the bozos on the Republican side, and at the moment there don't seem to be any Democrats willing to challenge her.

/And please don't pretend a 3rd party/independent has a chance
 
2014-08-13 12:48:26 PM  
So now Bush can officially be blamed for everything, even the way Obama thinks and acts?
 
2014-08-13 12:49:48 PM  

GameSprocket: The answer is "1".


Which is the loneliest number that you'll ever do.
 
2014-08-13 12:49:48 PM  

Cletus C.: So now Bush can officially be blamed for everything, even the way Obama thinks and acts?


It's always been that way (at least here)
 
2014-08-13 12:52:51 PM  

mistrmind: So they both did/say the same things.  Since there is such a fervent hate for Bush, and Obama is acting/saying the same things as Bush, why doesn't everyone have the same hate for Obama?


Why do the Republicans hate Obama so much when he does the same stuff Bush or other presidents did?

Well, have you ever considered the racist element so prevalent in today's GOP?

I mean obviously a lot of it is mindless partisan hackery like we saw when Clinton was president but that doesn't explain the historic levels of foot dragging, obstruction and slander.
 
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