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(WMUR New Hampshire)   Police warn you probably shouldn't smoke it. "They're out of it. They're just totally out of it. They just like walk around looking into space and looking behind them. Their eyes look different. They don't look like us. They look weird"   (wmur.com) divider line 28
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2014-08-13 09:39:16 AM  
12 votes:
When I just got out of the Army I smoked a bit of the K2 and Mr Nice Guy stuff.  It has slightly similar effects to cannabis, but only slightly similar.  It didn't seem to last very long and it tended to make me feel anxious.

The main problem now is that every time they outlaw a Spice/K2 variant, the manufacturers tweak to the formula and make a new product with an extra molecule in it.  I'd imagine that by now, all of the smokable incense products are chemical Frankensteins.

If the prohibitionists really cared about users, they would legalize cannabis, a very safe substance, and go after the synthetic market as though they were meth labs.
2014-08-13 08:50:19 AM  
8 votes:
If you smoke potpourri sprayed with a chemical substance that may or may not be a synthetic version of THC to catch a buzz and you die, that's just Mother Nature culling the herd.
2014-08-13 08:45:54 AM  
6 votes:
PreMortem:
Similar, as in the substance looks like marijuana. The effects are nothing like THC. But then again, it's cop drug knowledge.

Depends on which chemicals it has, from what I've heard.  Some are similar, others are drastically and even dangerously different.  It's a crap shoot.  Random grass clippings sprayed with ???? from China.  Yeah, I'll pass.
2014-08-13 10:53:32 AM  
4 votes:

PreMortem: Police said the product is a mixture of herbs and spices that's sprayed with a synthetic compound similar to THC, the active ingredient in marijuana.

Similar, as in the substance looks like marijuana. The effects are nothing like THC. But then again, it's cop drug knowledge.


This is THC:
upload.wikimedia.org

This is HU-210, a synthetic cannabinoid that was found in "Spice" a few years ago:
upload.wikimedia.org
This is CP 47,497, also found in a lot of "Spice":
upload.wikimedia.org

They are very close analogues of THC and have rather similar effects. HU-210 & CP 47,497  are now ontrolled substances in many countries.


JWH-018 is one of the most famous synthetic cannabinoids, featuring a modification of the core structure:
upload.wikimedia.org
and it's closely related to JWH-073:
upload.wikimedia.org
These compounds are commonly associated with these "herbal incense" fake marijuana products. And they're banned all over the place now.

All of the compounds are potent CB1/CB2 agonists, In contolled studies, they have very similar effects to THC. Many of the reported subjective differences attributed to the synthetics may be due more to dosing and pharmacokinetic differences (i.e., a single cannabis "bud" is a somewhat controlled dose, but nobody really knows how much of this other stuff gets sprayed on your dried oregano; these compounds are typically absorped better and metabolized differently by the body, dramatically affecting peak blood levels and drug half-lives)--it's not clear how much of the qualitative effects are simply due to these potency differences.

They're not the same as THC; but they were specifically designed to be similar to THC, but with alterations to their pharmcological properties.

But then again, this is just pharmacologit knowledge.
2014-08-13 08:27:09 AM  
4 votes:
Police said the product is a mixture of herbs and spices that's sprayed with a synthetic compound similar to THC, the active ingredient in marijuana.

Similar, as in the substance looks like marijuana. The effects are nothing like THC. But then again, it's cop drug knowledge.
2014-08-13 09:53:09 AM  
3 votes:
The thing for me about this stuff is: Made in China.  Those people don't give a damn. Dog food that kills your dog? No problem. Milk that kills babies? They sold that too, till they finally got caught and executed.  Most recently, rotting meat for McDonalds? No problemo. Ship it, Danno.

Now,  here you have a product that is clearly labeled  Not For Human Consumption  (nudge, nudge, wink, wink)making the producer and the shop who sells the stuff lawsuit-proof.  One day the manufacturer is just a little short of one chemicals to finish the batch needed for shipment the next day. Is the manufacturer going to, A - tell the buyer he  couldn't finish the run. B- Rummage around the shed for any old stuff that is around. C- Double-check the labeling to make sure that's labeled Not For Human Consumption,and dump that drum of industrial cleaner in the mix.

But hey, it's your choice. Do you feel lucky today?
2014-08-13 09:50:54 AM  
3 votes:
If pot were legal, this wouldn't be a concern.

It's legal where I live, but the rest of you voters better get busy if you want to save the youth from the other evil herbs out there.
2014-08-13 09:32:39 AM  
3 votes:

nekom: PreMortem:
Similar, as in the substance looks like marijuana. The effects are nothing like THC. But then again, it's cop drug knowledge.

Depends on which chemicals it has, from what I've heard.  Some are similar, others are drastically and even dangerously different.  It's a crap shoot.  Random grass clippings sprayed with ???? from China.  Yeah, I'll pass.


Then again, why not just stick with real weed? Cheaper, none of the siezures, heart pops, and debilitating strokes, and it doesn't exactly take a lot of imagination to find some decent herb, especially if you're in the city.
2014-08-13 10:23:20 AM  
2 votes:
hmm... a bunch of cops saying "Their eyes look different. They don't look like us"... what image could this possibly bring to mind?
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2014-08-13 09:46:55 AM  
2 votes:
I had to fire a guy for smoking spice while operating a forklift -- NOT operating a forklift after smoking it, but smoking it right there in the cab while moving large objects in the vicinity of other workers.

"It's legal! You can't fire me!"

/csb
2014-08-13 02:32:27 PM  
1 votes:

BitwiseShift: CJHardin: The main problem now is that every time they outlaw a Spice/K2 variant, the manufacturers tweak to the formula and make a new product with an extra molecule in it.  I'd imagine that by now, all of the smokable incense products are chemical Frankensteins.

If the prohibitionists really cared about users, they would legalize cannabis, a very safe substance, and go after the synthetic market as though they were meth labs.

Booze is either by weight like 3.2 beer or proof, like 152 proof Everclear.

The biggest hurdle pot has with the government is now what is the strength. The medical marijuana people are trying to come up with a solution that tells the strength (and probably the price).
Until the metrics are solved, cannabis is the Frankstein, too.


Well, for one, booze strength is not measured by weight but by volume, as in 3.2 percent alcohol by volume or 6.4 proof.  Everclear is also not sold in 152 proof but 190 proof or 151 proof in the bible belt (I guess Bacardi didn't budge on their proof), or 95% alcohol by volume, 75.5% ABV respectively.

As far a cannabis goes, that's already dealt with, I don't know what "hurdle" you are referencing.  Cannabis is sold by the gram and has a percentage of THC indicated.  For instance, Bubba Kush is usually around 18.5% THC and a whopping 0.27% CBD content.  It usually sells for around  $10-$15 a gram.

Cannabis is not even close to being compared to the "incense" products.  Sure there is some tweaking in the grow rooms, but it involves fertilizers, CO2, and lights, not creating new chemicals.  Cannabis is as much as a Frankenstein as heirloom tomatoes, and just as deadly.
2014-08-13 02:05:35 PM  
1 votes:

adamatari: When you look "straight" people don't tend to offer you drugs in the street.


No, but that's the LAST place to be looking.  I'm not saying street dealers don't exist, they do, or that they don't deal in weed at all, many do.  But buying pot from some guy in an alley is likely to get you a skimpy amount of Mexican brick weed.  I live in the boonies and I know at least 5 places within 10 minute driving distance where I could get it.  But I don't because as a professional adult I can wait until my trusted source can get me some.  The quality is good, he delivers, and I don't mind paying a price that reflects the risk involved.
2014-08-13 12:40:08 PM  
1 votes:

PreMortem: Police said the product is a mixture of herbs and spices that's sprayed with a synthetic compound similar to THC, the active ingredient in marijuana.

Similar, as in the substance looks like marijuana. The effects are nothing like THC. But then again, it's cop drug knowledge.


Herbs and spices, I wonder if they would taste good on chicken. Kolorado Fried Chicken.

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2014-08-13 11:07:43 AM  
1 votes:
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2014-08-13 10:40:22 AM  
1 votes:

lewismarktwo: sporkme: I had to fire a guy for smoking spice while operating a forklift -- NOT operating a forklift after smoking it, but smoking it right there in the cab while moving large objects in the vicinity of other workers.

"It's legal! You can't fire me!"

/csb

So, uh, did it affect his job performance?


Yeah, it got him fired.
2014-08-13 10:17:40 AM  
1 votes:
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2014-08-13 10:04:11 AM  
1 votes:

Kibbler: They're dead, they're...all messed up.


so.... beat 'em or burn 'em i suppose?
2014-08-13 09:59:02 AM  
1 votes:
I have dealt with a few people on spice. They get violent. Not the "I'm going to rip off you head and defecate down your neck" violent like PCP but "I'm going to do everything I can to run away from you and if that means stabbing you in the eye, so be it." violent. Not good stuff.
2014-08-13 09:50:38 AM  
1 votes:
PreMortem:
Similar, as in the substance looks like marijuana. The effects are nothing like THC. But then again, it's cop drug knowledge.

No - similar, as in the chemical is a cannabinoid that is related to THC. It binds to the same chemical receptors in the brain, but it has other effects due to the differences in the rest of the molecule.

There are lots and lots of THC-related chemicals out there, and most of them have effects that are "nothing like THC," but that wasn't the original claim. You should also remember that having effects "just like THC" (but 100 times more powerful and much longer-lasting) can also be a problem.

But then again, it's drug dealer knowledge ("it's sorta like THC but they can't arrest me for selling it, so it must be okay").
2014-08-13 09:45:56 AM  
1 votes:

nekom: kling_klang_bed:
Then again, why not just stick with real weed? Cheaper, none of the siezures, heart pops, and debilitating strokes, and it doesn't exactly take a lot of imagination to find some decent herb, especially if you're in the city.

I guess people are worried about drug tests maybe?  I'm actually a bit concerned that people could start lacing ditch weed with this synthetic crap and marketing it as good stuff.  I haven't seen ANY reports of that happening, but if I could think of it I'm sure some unscrupulous drug dealer could.  Real weed is about the safest way to substantially alter your consciousness out there.


it'd be too expensive (Spice tends to sell for almost 3 times the price of regular weed last I checked). A dealer like that would be more likely to cut it with dried parsley or oregano from the dollar store than spend that kind of money cutting it with something more expensive. Crack and heroin dealers are known to cut their shiat with pretty much whatever's lying around on the cheap, for example.
2014-08-13 09:45:16 AM  
1 votes:

gunsmack: New Hampshire is incredibly f*cking boring. I can understand them smoking something that might kill you, but might get you silly.


Only boring people are bored.
2014-08-13 09:34:42 AM  
1 votes:
kling_klang_bed:
Then again, why not just stick with real weed? Cheaper, none of the siezures, heart pops, and debilitating strokes, and it doesn't exactly take a lot of imagination to find some decent herb, especially if you're in the city.

I guess people are worried about drug tests maybe?  I'm actually a bit concerned that people could start lacing ditch weed with this synthetic crap and marketing it as good stuff.  I haven't seen ANY reports of that happening, but if I could think of it I'm sure some unscrupulous drug dealer could.  Real weed is about the safest way to substantially alter your consciousness out there.
2014-08-13 09:34:30 AM  
1 votes:
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2014-08-13 09:33:47 AM  
1 votes:
Spice?  That sh*t f*cks you up big time.

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2014-08-13 09:30:25 AM  
1 votes:

nekom: Random grass clippings sprayed with ???? from China. Yeah, I'll pass.


Seeing as it's China, I'm going to assume it's melamine.

\The only Chinese product which is melamine free is melamine.
\\The melamine contains lead.
\\\Ironically, the lead contains cobalt
\\\\The cobalt is lie. It's actually painted melamine.
2014-08-13 09:29:15 AM  
1 votes:
Is it that hard to sub your urine nowadays that people would rather smoke RCs?
2014-08-13 09:26:29 AM  
1 votes:
Spices?

Were their eyes glowing blue?
2014-08-13 09:15:56 AM  
1 votes:
Let the spice flow, or however that goes.
 
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