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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Chicago Teacher's Union head, who calls Rahm Emanuel "Mayor 1%," has a home in Chicago an a condo in Hawaii, and her union salary is $200,000 a year. Remind us again who's the 1% you mouth windbag?   (politics.suntimes.com) divider line 123
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2014-08-13 07:23:18 AM
Man, that's some crazy hypocrisy right there, but one major question is stuck in my mind: what the hell is a "mouth windbag?"
 
2014-08-13 07:37:38 AM
200k is still only in the top 2-3% of earners.

You need to make even crazier money to be in the 1%.
 
2014-08-13 08:23:48 AM

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Man, that's some crazy hypocrisy right there, but one major question is stuck in my mind: what the hell is a "mouth windbag?"


Think Rush Limbaugh.
 
2014-08-13 08:32:46 AM
Head of a union, bank , major supermarket chain, whatever. Yes, they get paid more. They also have more responsability than your crappy ununioized Walmart bagger job. Get over it subby. Btw a condo in Hawaii can be picked up for as little as 2k. Nice troll though.
 
2014-08-13 08:52:27 AM

urger: 200k is still only in the top 2-3% of earners.

You need to make even crazier money to be in the 1%.


$200k is not even "crazy money," at least not for a job of that caliber in a city like Chicago. That's somewhat modest compared to what some union heads pull down.

Condos in Hawaii aren't cheap, though. Must be a time share or something.
 
2014-08-13 09:32:59 AM

urger: 200k is still only in the top 2-3% of earners.

You need to make even crazier money to be in the 1%.


Here's a handy chart to back this up.

www.brimg.net
Source:  http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/top-1-percent-earn.aspx

This is the most recent available data and it's still 5 years old; she might not even be in the top 5% anymore.
 
2014-08-13 09:54:33 AM

Nabb1: urger: 200k is still only in the top 2-3% of earners.

You need to make even crazier money to be in the 1%.

$200k is not even "crazy money," at least not for a job of that caliber in a city like Chicago. That's somewhat modest compared to what some union heads pull down.

Condos in Hawaii aren't cheap, though. Must be a time share or something.


Clent: urger: 200k is still only in the top 2-3% of earners.

You need to make even crazier money to be in the 1%.

Here's a handy chart to back this up.

[www.brimg.net image 550x292]
Source:  http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/top-1-percent-earn.aspx

This is the most recent available data and it's still 5 years old; she might not even be in the top 5% anymore.


Bureau of Labor Statistics will have newer data - and IIRC they have local area breakdowns too...

Give me a few minutes do some looking.
 
2014-08-13 09:57:40 AM
So now good paying jobs are a bad thing. I can't keep up.
 
2014-08-13 09:58:41 AM
Does anyone know what hypocrisy actually means anymore?
 
2014-08-13 09:58:53 AM
$200k is barely halfway to being in the 1% nationwide and probably nowhere close for major cities like Chicago.
 
2014-08-13 10:00:58 AM
A chart plotting income from 100% to 1% looks like exponential growth.

/just sayin'
 
2014-08-13 10:01:50 AM
The mistaken belief that 200K is some kind of crazy money that makes you a 1%er completely explains why so many naive right wingers think they need to protect the "wealthy" as a hedge against their own future success.  I suppose if you're only pulling down $50K a year, $200K seems like a lot.  Heh.  I got news for you...
 
2014-08-13 10:02:00 AM
and has an ownership interest in three homes, records show. That includes vacation homes in Hawaii and in the upscale "Harbor Country" area of southwestern Michigan

"ownership interest"?  I wonder if the two non-primary residences are time shares.
 
2014-08-13 10:02:18 AM
TIL making $200K is Oprah rich.

Not that I would mind but that's not like crazy golden parachute money, shiat.
 
2014-08-13 10:02:20 AM

urger: 200k is still only in the top 2-3% of earners.

You need to make even crazier money to be in the 1%.


I have been told that $250K is the threshold for being rich.

And we all hate rich people.

So, she's close.
 
2014-08-13 10:02:26 AM
Rahm Immanuel's salary as mayor in just over $200K, but he does have an estimated net worth of around $14 million.
 
2014-08-13 10:02:34 AM
sorry about the autism, subby, hope it gets better
 
2014-08-13 10:02:35 AM
I wouldn't take the job as head of a union for $200k. No farking way. $2M maybe.. maybe.
 
2014-08-13 10:02:44 AM

CPennypacker: Does anyone know what hypocrisy actually means anymore?


I'm going to say no.  "Hypocrisy" has come to mean "Al Gore says that CO2 is bad, but he makes CO2 when he breathes so why doesn't he kill himself if he hates CO2 so much?"
 
2014-08-13 10:03:36 AM
Wonder what her husband does. She makes good money but not enough to afford all that real estate.
 
2014-08-13 10:04:08 AM
Hey tardmitter, she isn't calling Rahhhhhmmmm "Mayor 1%" because he is in the 1%, she's calling him that because his policies only help the 1%.  And how much should an executive of an organization that serves tens of thousands of clients make?

FTFA, her condo cost her and her husband $240,000.  Their home is $405,000 and her family has owned a home in Michigan that was bought in 1961.  Hardly the 1%..

Subby is bad and should feel bad.
 
2014-08-13 10:05:44 AM
An a condo? is that an apartment full of snakes?
 
2014-08-13 10:05:53 AM
1% isn't defined by salary.  It's defined by earnings and net wealth.  Mitt Romney could be unemployed, but he'd still earn $20M/year on his $250M Uncle Scrooge vault.
 
2014-08-13 10:06:13 AM

theknuckler_33: and has an ownership interest in three homes, records show. That includes vacation homes in Hawaii and in the upscale "Harbor Country" area of southwestern Michigan

"ownership interest"?  I wonder if the two non-primary residences are time shares.


That was my immediate thought when I read the headline.  Chicago's not a cheap place to live, and $200,000 doesn't go as far as many other places.  Sure is hell not enough to straight up own a condo in Hawai'i, unless it's miles inland.
 
2014-08-13 10:06:57 AM
The wife and I are combined making $180K.  We are very comfortable, but I never consider myself rich.

1 house $300K
2 cars $30K each
401K approaching $300K and 20K in savings.

Thats pretty good in my mind for 46 years old.  But I don't consider myself rich.  I need to up my % to 401K again.
 
2014-08-13 10:07:09 AM

CPennypacker: Does anyone know what hypocrisy actually means anymore?


:Liberals aren't allowed to have salaries. They all need to be homeless beggars or they are hypocrites.
 
2014-08-13 10:07:30 AM

Clent: urger: 200k is still only in the top 2-3% of earners.

You need to make even crazier money to be in the 1%.

Here's a handy chart to back this up.

[www.brimg.net image 550x292]
Source:  http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/top-1-percent-earn.aspx

This is the most recent available data and it's still 5 years old; she might not even be in the top 5% anymore.


Wow.

To get in the upper 50%, you only need to make $10K more than poverty level.

Or, put another way... Our poor people are pretty wealthy!

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2014-08-13 10:08:25 AM
Making lots of money - good when a Democrat does it, bad when a Republican does it.

/FarkLogic
 
2014-08-13 10:08:49 AM

sendtodave: I have been told that $250K is the threshold for being rich.


I do recall that being a talking point some time ago.
 
2014-08-13 10:08:53 AM
"We should treat our teachers well."

"OMG MOUTH WINDBAG TIMESHARE!!"
 
2014-08-13 10:09:04 AM
Guy makes 200K and criticizes millionaire mayor:  HYPOCRITE

Guy is worth 100 million, doesn't want to talk about how much income tax he pays, and criticizes 47% of the population as "takers": TRUTH
 
2014-08-13 10:09:09 AM
200k$ isn't exactly unreasonable for being the advocate for a population-scaling profession in a high-population area.  That's not really rich, that's just upper-middle white collar money.  A doctor or lawyer can even make that without winning an election.
 
2014-08-13 10:09:11 AM

maddogdelta: CPennypacker: Does anyone know what hypocrisy actually means anymore?

:Liberals aren't allowed to have salaries. They all need to be homeless beggars or they are hypocrites.


lolsocialisms

Either you support gross wealth inequality, or you support universal poverty.
 
2014-08-13 10:13:16 AM
sendtodave:
To get in the upper 50%, you only need to make $10K more than poverty level.

A lot of that comes from continual redefining of what the "poverty level" is. It's a lot higher than it used to be, in effective terms. It used to be about food, shelter, and clothing. Now, it's food, shelter, clothing, transportation, utilities, and whatever else they feel like including.

Or, put another way... Our poor people are pretty wealthy!

Pretty much.
 
2014-08-13 10:14:24 AM
200k is nothing.

Google what Pat Tornillo and the United of Teachers of Dade pulled about ten years ago. Farking scumbags.
 
2014-08-13 10:16:06 AM

Hydra: Making lots of money - good when a Democrat does it, bad when a Republican does it.

  uses their money to pass legislation to make them more wealth while simultaneously preventing millions of people from getting affordable food, education, and healthcare.

/FarkLogic

Helped you out there a little bit, since you are incapable of grasping nuance.
 
2014-08-13 10:16:11 AM
Her pay seems about right, perhaps slightly below market.

CTU has revenue of $30mm a yr (30k members, dues of $1k).

Non-profit salary surveys for NYC show an average pay of $240k for CEOs for $30mm in revenue
 
2014-08-13 10:17:33 AM
If anyone thinks the head of a union's actual income only includes their official salary, they're naive at best.
 
2014-08-13 10:20:11 AM
So, let me get this straight. If you're relatively wealthy and you criticize other wealthy people, you're a hypocrite. If you're poor or middle class and you criticize wealthy people, you're engaging in unfair "class warfare".

So am I to understand that simply being wealthy makes a person complete irreproachable? Should I prostrate myself when in the presence of these wondrous beings or should I merely avert my gaze? Do I get to demand the same of those with a lower net value than myself, or is there a minimum I have to achieve before I can claim these special privileges?

If I have to ask these questions, does that mean I'm not part of the club? Will there by an initiation or something if I cross the threshold so I know I'm part of this group of godlike beings who are beyond the questioning of us mere mortal scamps?
 
2014-08-13 10:22:11 AM
I was impressed that, at least in the 90s, top high school teachers in Germany were paid more than the average lawyer. Yay valuing education.
 
2014-08-13 10:25:49 AM

coyo: I was impressed that, at least in the 90s, top high school teachers in Germany were paid more than the average lawyer. Yay valuing education.


No no no no. Unlike every other profession in the history of ever you get good teachers by paying lower salaries. That attracts people who do it for love of the work, you know.
 
2014-08-13 10:26:54 AM
Conservatives Farkers have repeatedly and often said that $200,000 is barely scraping by, because taxes.

Also, "mouth windbag" is not a thing, is it? Sounds like an insult badly translated from another language.
 
2014-08-13 10:26:56 AM

Nabb1: urger: 200k is still only in the top 2-3% of earners.

You need to make even crazier money to be in the 1%.

$200k is not even "crazy money," at least not for a job of that caliber in a city like Chicago. That's somewhat modest compared to what some union heads pull down.

Condos in Hawaii aren't cheap, though. Must be a time share or something.


Clent: urger: 200k is still only in the top 2-3% of earners.

You need to make even crazier money to be in the 1%.

Here's a handy chart to back this up.

[www.brimg.net image 550x292]
Source:  http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/top-1-percent-earn.aspx

This is the most recent available data and it's still 5 years old; she might not even be in the top 5% anymore.


I was surprised - looks like the 2012 ACS is the latest data we can easily use for looking at income percentiles.

I have to actually do real work now but if some wants to take a crack at calculating an analog from this table (latest Chicago wage breakdown) I'd be very interested: http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_16980.htm#00-0000
 
2014-08-13 10:27:21 AM

coyo: I was impressed that, at least in the 90s, top high school teachers in Germany were paid more than the average lawyer. Yay valuing education.


There are areas of the US in which this is almost true.  A kid I went to law school with made more as a teacher with a doctorate than as a public defender.  And found the work less stressful.  And this was in 2008, just the beginning of the great law school grad glut.
 
2014-08-13 10:27:41 AM

cirby: Or, put another way... Our poor people are pretty wealthy!Pretty much.


I heard some even have refrigerators.
 
2014-08-13 10:28:23 AM

urger: 200k is still only in the top 2-3% of earners.

You need to make even crazier money to be in the 1%.


yeah, like 250k
 
2014-08-13 10:28:44 AM

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Man, that's some crazy hypocrisy right there, but one major question is stuck in my mind: what the hell is a "mouth windbag?"


kidsactivitiesblog.com
 
2014-08-13 10:32:04 AM

Kibbler: Guy makes 200K and criticizes millionaire mayor:  HYPOCRITE

Guy is worth 100 million, doesn't want to talk about how much income tax he pays, and criticizes 47% of the population as "takers": TRUTH


Rahm Emanuel is Mitt Romney?
 
2014-08-13 10:32:08 AM

skozlaw: coyo: I was impressed that, at least in the 90s, top high school teachers in Germany were paid more than the average lawyer. Yay valuing education.

No no no no. Unlike every other profession in the history of ever you get good teachers by paying lower salaries. That attracts people who do it for love of the work, you know.


But at the same time, if you tax CEO's even one penny more on their $20 million dollar salaries, they will take their scary talents to a country/state with less taxes and companies will crumble.

/this is what conservatives fark independents really believe
 
2014-08-13 10:32:15 AM

Hydra: Making lots of money - good when a Democrat does it, bad when a Republican does it.

/FarkLogic


It depends what you consider as "lots of money". I don't think there's much resentment for high earning professionals like doctors, engineers, and folks like that.

I think it's for those insanely crazy right people - Adelson, the Waltons, the Koch brothers, etc. - that are stratospheric rich yet advocate for reduced taxes and/or undermining the social safety net.

Also, a $200K salary is not "lots of money". It's comfortable.
 
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