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(Boston.com)   Apparently concerned that protesters may be in possession of Buk missile systems, FAA orders no-fly zone over Ferguson, Missouri. Nothing to see here, please disperse   (boston.com ) divider line
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2014-08-13 09:05:46 AM  
It's to create a media blackout by grounding news helicopters, I'll bet.

The Missouri PD don't want anyone knowing they're deploying paramilitary cops with weapons you could use effectively against the space marines from Warhammer 40k and yet won't even stop out of town people from looting local businesses.

Could be wrong, but that's my guess.
 
2014-08-13 10:18:34 AM  

doglover: It's to create a media blackout by grounding news helicopters, I'll bet.

The Missouri PD don't want anyone knowing they're deploying paramilitary cops with weapons you could use effectively against the space marines from Warhammer 40k and yet won't even stop out of town people from looting local businesses.

Could be wrong, but that's my guess.


I have a strong suspicion you're right. The cops already threw out the media on the ground, now they need a way to keep news choppers from reporting their activities.

This entire thing is far from over, and I have a bad feeling it's REALLY not going to end well.
 
2014-08-13 10:28:11 AM  

doglover: It's to create a media blackout by grounding news helicopters, I'll bet.

The Missouri PD don't want anyone knowing they're deploying paramilitary cops with weapons you could use effectively against the space marines from Warhammer 40k and yet won't even stop out of town people from looting local businesses.

Could be wrong, but that's my guess.


Well one of the stated reasons stated was that small arms fire from the protesters could damage helicopters. You think you have problems now? Imagine a helicopter crashing down in the middle of a protest/riot.

I like your tinfoil hat thinking but how much pressure can Springfield, MO apply to the FAA?

And you said Space Marine:
i.imgur.com

I wonder how much it would cost to get this guy to show up in Springfield? I'd pay good money to see him standing across from the police
 
2014-08-13 11:28:29 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I like your tinfoil hat thinking but how much pressure can Springfield, MO apply to the FAA?


Local authorities can request an exclusion zone during times of disaster or "civil unrest" for "safety" reasons.  Usually they are limited to a certain altitude leaving commercial traffic to travel at the higher levels.

But, they are generally used to keep the press out of an area.
 
2014-08-13 11:37:32 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I like your tinfoil hat thinking but how much pressure can Springfield, MO apply to the FAA?


It could be the Feds are interested in denying aerial shots of it, or any shots at all. There was another  "incident" that took place in LA on Monday. People may be more inclined to act out if they see others doing it, as opposed to just hearing it on the news. You get two cities rioting - especially one the size of LA - and things start getting a little testy everywhere.
 
2014-08-13 11:41:12 AM  
 
2014-08-13 12:12:13 PM  

Ennuipoet: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I like your tinfoil hat thinking but how much pressure can Springfield, MO apply to the FAA?

Local authorities can request an exclusion zone during times of disaster or "civil unrest" for "safety" reasons.  Usually they are limited to a certain altitude leaving commercial traffic to travel at the higher levels.

But, they are generally used to keep the press out of an area.


So it's a request. That sounds about right.

I bet the vast majority of requests are granted, but they could be turned down.
 
2014-08-13 12:25:57 PM  

doglover: The Missouri PD don't want anyone knowing they're deploying paramilitary cops with weapons you could use effectively against the space marines from Warhammer 40k


the ones from the actual tabletop game or the ones from the supporting lore
 
2014-08-13 12:26:17 PM  
well I'm sure that US weapons manufacturers are already in talks to sell the protestors weapons.
 
2014-08-13 12:26:23 PM  
So much for calling them "flyover states"
 
2014-08-13 12:27:33 PM  
Great now someone is going to make a video of the Ferguson rioters wearing unmarked Russian uniforms.
 
2014-08-13 12:27:41 PM  

doglover: It's to create a media blackout by grounding news helicopters, I'll bet.

The Missouri PD don't want anyone knowing they're deploying paramilitary cops with weapons you could use effectively against the space marines from Warhammer 40k and yet won't even stop out of town people from looting local businesses.

Could be wrong, but that's my guess.


They're grounding news copters because there's so much bark-bark-bark media pack interest that they'd interfere with the cop helicopters, if they didn't just crash into each other. I'm sure that's how the local guys rationalize it, and the FAA is just responding to a fairly routine local request.
 
2014-08-13 12:28:54 PM  
Why aren't we arming these poor rebel factions, then? If the guy on Saturday was unarmed, that was obviously the problem.
 
2014-08-13 12:29:22 PM  
Didnt the National Guard used to get called in for situations like this and this was a big decision that a state's governor had to make?

When were police departments militarized and change that standard?  Or am I mistaken?
 
2014-08-13 12:29:43 PM  

doglover: It's to create a media blackout by grounding news helicopters, I'll bet.

The Missouri PD don't want anyone knowing they're deploying paramilitary cops with weapons you could use effectively against the space marines from Warhammer 40k and yet won't even stop out of town people from looting local businesses.

Could be wrong, but that's my guess.


The police, if this is true, have reached critical ass.
 
2014-08-13 12:30:08 PM  
Wouldn't want to give Chicago or LA any ideas. Arrest all the cameras!
 
2014-08-13 12:30:09 PM  
News suppression. Speaking of news, the police killed another man there.

/"Nothing to see here, move along citizen. I SAID MOVE ALONG!"
 
2014-08-13 12:30:38 PM  
After hearing of the roving bands of looters, Mike Gutierrez knew he had to protect his tattoo shop. He brought a posse with him, including Adam Weinstein, owner of County Guns, who was acutely worried about criminals getting their hands on his merchandise.
"We didn't want them coming in here and then running around with a bunch of free guns," Weinstein told Daily RFT when we arrive at the store around 12:30 a.m. this morning. Weinstein was outfitted with an assault rifle, pistol and tactical vest. Gutierrez cradled his own rifle in his hands.


Man, I wonder what this guy's return policy is.
 
2014-08-13 12:31:23 PM  
files.abovetopsecret.com
 
2014-08-13 12:31:28 PM  

Gunny Highway: Didnt the National Guard used to get called in for situations like this and this was a big decision that a state's governor had to make?


traditionally, they were used to murder college kids.
 
2014-08-13 12:31:34 PM  

Ennuipoet: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I like your tinfoil hat thinking but how much pressure can Springfield, MO apply to the FAA?

Local authorities can request an exclusion zone during times of disaster or "civil unrest" for "safety" reasons.  Usually they are limited to a certain altitude leaving commercial traffic to travel at the higher levels.

But, they are generally used to keep the press out of an area.


Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.... or the press.
 
2014-08-13 12:31:52 PM  

Gunny Highway: Didnt the National Guard used to get called in for situations like this and this was a big decision that a state's governor had to make?

When were police departments militarized and change that standard?  Or am I mistaken?


www.awesomestories.com

Sometime right about here...
 
2014-08-13 12:31:53 PM  
Given damn near every person in America carries a camera these days, their efforts to stop any videotaping of the LEO response are ultimately useless.
 
2014-08-13 12:32:27 PM  
The TFR ("no fly zone") is specifically designed for news helicopters, given its very small radius and height.

Its really not a big deal.
 
2014-08-13 12:32:29 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: tactical vest.


Does it come with a tactical watch and tactical fob?
 
2014-08-13 12:32:37 PM  

WI241TH: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I like your tinfoil hat thinking but how much pressure can Springfield, MO apply to the FAA?

It could be the Feds are interested in denying aerial shots of it, or any shots at all. There was another  "incident" that took place in LA on Monday. People may be more inclined to act out if they see others doing it, as opposed to just hearing it on the news. You get two cities rioting - especially one the size of LA - and things start getting a little testy everywhere.


Maybe we got ourselves a real life rebellion on our hands?
 
2014-08-13 12:32:49 PM  

Gunny Highway: Didnt the National Guard used to get called in for situations like this and this was a big decision that a state's governor had to make?

When were police departments militarized and change that standard?  Or am I mistaken?


National Guard was always a last resort when cops couldn't handle it. The difference is that cops wear a lot more military-style protective gear now, and are more likely to wear carry military-looking rifles.

You never want the National Guard if you can help it. You can deputize them, but that doesn't make them trained cops. Those guys are mostly idiots.

There's never a provision for military action inside the U.S., short of an actual insurrection. When the National comes in, they're deputized to act as police.
 
2014-08-13 12:34:09 PM  
Mr. Weinstein's of County Guns return policy:

"You can have your money back from your purchase...WHEN YOU PRY IT FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!"
 
2014-08-13 12:36:07 PM  
Hopefully the Coast Guard will get sent in soon to police the police.
 
2014-08-13 12:36:07 PM  

LazyMedia: Gunny Highway: Didnt the National Guard used to get called in for situations like this and this was a big decision that a state's governor had to make?

When were police departments militarized and change that standard?  Or am I mistaken?

National Guard was always a last resort when cops couldn't handle it. The difference is that cops wear a lot more military-style protective gear now, and are more likely to wear carry military-looking rifles.

You never want the National Guard if you can help it. You can deputize them, but that doesn't make them trained cops. Those guys are mostly idiots.

There's never a provision for military action inside the U.S., short of an actual insurrection. When the National comes in, they're deputized to act as police.


Okay, thanks.  I just see the images of these police officers in riot gear and on top of giant vehicles with scoped rifles and wonder if this was always the case (depending on the technology of the era).
 
2014-08-13 12:36:15 PM  

CoolHandLucas: The TFR ("no fly zone") is specifically designed for news helicopters, given its very small radius and height.

Its really not a big deal.


Really?  I would say that's exactly what makes it a big deal.
 
2014-08-13 12:36:19 PM  

wantingout: well I'm sure that US weapons manufacturers are already in talks to sell the protestors weapons.


Can't let a good cri$i$ go wa$te
 
2014-08-13 12:37:37 PM  
"The agency listed the reason as "to provide a safe environment for law enforcement activities.""

I'm going with they would rather not let us see crimes committed by the police.
 
2014-08-13 12:37:42 PM  
Stingers, not Buks
If it were for Buks, the minimum height would be a lot higher than 3000 feet.
 
2014-08-13 12:39:21 PM  
Remembera few months ago when the police in Boston locked down the city and went door-to-door looking for the bombers? Remember how we really didn't make a huge deal about it because it helped to get the one bad guy?


/Go look at the "Vice" episode (HBO) about the militarization of the police in Camden, NJ.
//its happening, just as Bill Cooper said it would
 
2014-08-13 12:39:44 PM  
That picture I posted...the uniformed guy closest to the camera on the right. Is he wearing a flat cap and carrying a riding crop?

No wonder people got shot that day.
 
2014-08-13 12:41:28 PM  
So fly below, what, 2500 feet where the FAA's authority starts?  They're not the military, I'm pretty sure they can't actually declare blanket no-fly zones at all altitudes, their authority only covers things pretty high in the air and is mostly limited to commercial aircraft used to transport passengers.

Fly your news helicopter within a few hundred feet of the ground and the FAA can fark right off, if I'm remembering right.  Same reason you don't have to get an FAA waiver to set off fireworks on independence day, their jurisdiction is fairly limited.
 
2014-08-13 12:41:50 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: "The agency listed the reason as "to provide a safe environment for law enforcement activities.""

I'm going with they would rather not let us see crimes committed by the police.


*ding*

The only safe environment Missouri cops are looking for here is to safely commit their crimes away from public scrutiny.  In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the only thing currently keeping them in line is the predominance of cell-phone video and various tweets from people in that community.  Once they figure out how to silence that, well...  get the body bags.
 
2014-08-13 12:42:01 PM  
pbs.twimg.com

From the guy in the middle, it looks like Hodor got another job.
 
2014-08-13 12:42:55 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Remembera few months ago when the police in Boston locked down the city and went door-to-door looking for the bombers? Remember how we really didn't make a huge deal about it because it helped to get the one bad guy?


/Go look at the "Vice" episode (HBO) about the militarization of the police in Camden, NJ.
//its happening, just as Bill Cooper said it would


Find the Greys in life, man.  Not everything that is similar is the same.
 
2014-08-13 12:43:50 PM  
Has the thuggifying of Michael Brown started yet? Did he ever skip school or smoke pot?
 
2014-08-13 12:44:28 PM  

Vodka Zombie: The only safe environment Missouri cops are looking for here is to safely commit their crimes away from public scrutiny. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the only thing currently keeping them in line is the predominance of cell-phone video and various tweets from people in that community. Once they figure out how to silence that, well... get the body bags.


At least in the case of the Ferguson PD, they don't even have dash cams in their vehicles.  It's pretty obvious that keeping their crimes out of the public record is a priority for them.
 
2014-08-13 12:45:01 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: "The agency listed the reason as "to provide a safe environment for law enforcement activities.""

I'm going with they would rather not let us see crimes committed by the police.


those two things are really the same thing
 
2014-08-13 12:45:32 PM  
Government is just a word for the things we do together.
 
2014-08-13 12:45:37 PM  
including and particularlynews helicopters...
 
2014-08-13 12:46:02 PM  

someonelse: Has the thuggifying of Michael Brown started yet? Did he ever skip school or smoke pot?


Almost certainly, and we learned last night that, as a thug, he would have been trained in the art of attacking someone with his back turned to ensure that any defensive fire he received would make his victim look like the bad guy.
 
2014-08-13 12:46:24 PM  
"We got this new APC, but when are we ever going to need to use it, sir?"
"I don't know.  Go out and shoot one of them --what's my wife call 'em?  'criminal class people!'  Go shoot one of them."
"That's why you're the chief, sir."
 
2014-08-13 12:47:04 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Remember few months ago when the police in Boston locked down the city and went door-to-door looking for the bombers? Remember how we really didn't make a huge deal about it because it helped to get the one bad guy?


I knew it was technically possible for you to say something I would agree with, but I have to admit I didn't think it would ever happen.  But there it is.

I remember when that happened, thinking it was one of those things people would have been shiatting their pants over if Bush was still president.
 
2014-08-13 12:47:52 PM  

Warlordtrooper: ongress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.... or the press.


It's not technically abridging the press' freedom to report, it's for everyone's safety.

But really, it's about keeping the press out of an area.

You can get away with anything if you spin it right.  Including shooting an unarmed black kid.
 
2014-08-13 12:47:55 PM  

GameSprocket: [pbs.twimg.com image 850x682]

From the guy in the middle, it looks like Hodor got another job.


Usually you try to form a point in order to break a shield wall. I'd hate to be the guy taking point against that massive dude.
 
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