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2014-08-13 05:42:08 PM  
Despite strong opposition from conservation organisations, the government is keen to press on with plans to develop the country's wind sector.

Wait... what??
 
2014-08-13 05:55:29 PM  
Are they selling this hurricane generated electricity to Doc Brown when be needs that 1.2 jiggawatts? Pretty sure you can't 'harvest' electricity and store it.
 
2014-08-13 06:26:55 PM  

PreMortem: Are they selling this hurricane generated electricity to Doc Brown when be needs that 1.2 jiggawatts? Pretty sure you can't 'harvest' electricity and store it.


You can put it in water (heat) or batteries or pump a bunch of water up a tower and capture the energy when it comes down.
 
2014-08-13 06:29:33 PM  

fusillade762: Despite strong opposition from conservation organisations, the government is keen to press on with plans to develop the country's wind sector.

Wait... what??


Bird killers
 
2014-08-13 06:31:40 PM  

PreMortem: Are they selling this hurricane generated electricity to Doc Brown when be needs that 1.2 jiggawatts? Pretty sure you can't 'harvest' electricity and store it.


There are ways to do it - flow batteries, pumping water up into hydroelectric reservoirs, compressing air into underground storage, producing hydrogen through electrolysis, etc. Also if you are using natural gas then you can just turn some of those generators off when the wind output is higher than normal.
 
2014-08-13 06:32:58 PM  

fusillade762: Despite strong opposition from conservation organisations, the government is keen to press on with plans to develop the country's wind sector.

Wait... what??


Local environmentalist groups are the worst NIMBYs in the world. Lots of green energy plans that would have huge net benefits for the environment are vehemently opposed by little local groups because they might harm the ecosystem of the western giant-balled groundsquirrel, often despite the fact that national level parent organizations of these groups endorse the project. In this case, windmills tend to dice a lot of seabirds, which is bad but a lot better than burning coal.
 
2014-08-13 06:33:03 PM  

fusillade762: Despite strong opposition from conservation organisations, the government is keen to press on with plans to develop the country's wind sector.

Wait... what??


NIMBY
 
2014-08-13 06:34:25 PM  

PreMortem: Are they selling this hurricane generated electricity to Doc Brown when be needs that 1.2 jiggawatts? Pretty sure you can't 'harvest' electricity and store it.


Think of it as hitting an especially rich vein of coal that you don't have to go through the trouble of digging up and shipping and processing. Only trouble is it shows up mostly when it wants and doesn't last all that long. I was thinking about this earlier today and got to wondering if you could bioengineer a plant to photosyntesise electricity. Solar really seems like the most plentiful and constantly present resource. Hell it powers the wind itself to some extent.
 
2014-08-13 06:35:47 PM  
fark cumulo-NIMBY cloudfarkers.

/that is all.
 
2014-08-13 06:37:02 PM  

SquiggsIN: Cue the crazies suggesting a weather control technology is related to a green energy push.


We have weather control technology now?  Can you make it a little cooler?  I'm sweating here.

I want more cheap oil and natural gas, so that our economy survives and thrives.  I have nothing against green power.  Have a farking ball.  It ain't gonna get your jet off the ground.

they make storms for wind farmers! Whaarrrgarbllll!

Nobody but you was going to say that.  That's a stupid thing to say.

osnap: PreMortem: Are they selling this hurricane generated electricity to Doc Brown when be needs that 1.2 jiggawatts? Pretty sure you can't 'harvest' electricity and store it.

You can put it in water (heat) or batteries or pump a bunch of water up a tower and capture the energy when it comes down.


Citations.  Please include costs.
 
2014-08-13 06:37:23 PM  

PreMortem: Are they selling this hurricane generated electricity to Doc Brown when be needs that 1.2 jiggawatts? Pretty sure you can't 'harvest' electricity and store it.


Other sources of electricity can lower their output when the wind power contributes more to the grid.  It's a constant balancing game getting the right amount of juice on the grid and they can do it just like they figure it out when it's 70 degrees one day and 90 degrees two days later and 70 again two days after that and the electricity usage is going up and down.
 
2014-08-13 06:41:12 PM  
Hurricane force winds are typically above the upper design limit of wind turbines. They have to go into a safe mode or be ripped apart by vibration and excessive force during winds that fast.

Wind and solar will be supplemental until much better battery tech comes along.
 
2014-08-13 06:41:29 PM  

SquiggsIN: (Or so my idiot father thinks)


The fact that you hold your father in such high esteem speaks volumes.

Fathers just love when they produce smart-assed, know-it-all kids.  Give this about ten or twenty years, young man.  You won't know so much.
 
2014-08-13 06:43:11 PM  

MooseBayou: SquiggsIN: (Or so my idiot father thinks)

The fact that you hold your father in such high esteem speaks volumes.

Fathers just love when they produce smart-assed, know-it-all kids.  Give this about ten or twenty years, young man.  You won't know so much.


That's why I always hire teenagers. You don't have to train them because they already know everything.
 
2014-08-13 06:44:46 PM  

gozar_the_destroyer: Hurricane force winds are typically above the upper design limit of wind turbines. They have to go into a safe mode or be ripped apart by vibration and excessive force during winds that fast.


I'm not sure where the upper limit is, but hurricanes usually only have a small core of 74+ mph wind absolutely gargantuan areas of just tropical storm 40-74 mph wind.  If the turbines can handle the tropical storm, chances are the storm would help you out.
 
2014-08-13 06:45:58 PM  

MooseBayou: Citations. Please include costs.


Wikipedia? The concept is easy. You use the electricity from windmills and solar farms to pump water up a tower or into a reservoir and when the sun stops shining or the wind stops blowing you let it flow down through a turbine.
 
2014-08-13 06:48:01 PM  

gozar_the_destroyer: Hurricane force winds are typically above the upper design limit of wind turbines. They have to go into a safe mode or be ripped apart by vibration and excessive force during winds that fast.

Wind and solar will be supplemental until much better battery tech comes along.


Supplemental?  The majority of all new energy production in the US is wind and solar.  Gas is most of the rest, new coal is deader than dead.  The costs are speeding lower as renewables scale up, fossil fuels can't compete anymore.
 
2014-08-13 06:48:14 PM  
 
2014-08-13 06:48:55 PM  

DubtodaIll: PreMortem: Are they selling this hurricane generated electricity to Doc Brown when be needs that 1.2 jiggawatts? Pretty sure you can't 'harvest' electricity and store it.

Think of it as hitting an especially rich vein of coal that you don't have to go through the trouble of digging up and shipping and processing. Only trouble is it shows up mostly when it wants and doesn't last all that long. I was thinking about this earlier today and got to wondering if you could bioengineer a plant to photosyntesise electricity.


Jesus Christ, why don't you just farking approach the genome project with your all-new, green, self-feeding, photosynthetic human.  You don't need groceries, just sunlight.  That would save on gas, for sure.

... Solar really seems like the most plentiful and constantly present resource.  Hell it powers the wind itself to some extent. 

To some extent?  Please go read a book.

FFS.  The most abundant resource on earth is bullshiat.  Literally and figuratively.
 
2014-08-13 06:49:31 PM  

SquiggsIN: MooseBayou: SquiggsIN: Cue the crazies suggesting a weather control technology is related to a green energy push.

We have weather control technology now?  Can you make it a little cooler?  I'm sweating here.

I want more cheap oil and natural gas, so that our economy survives and thrives.  I have nothing against green power.  Have a farking ball.  It ain't gonna get your jet off the ground.

they make storms for wind farmers! Whaarrrgarbllll!

Nobody but you was going to say that.  That's a stupid thing to say.

osnap: PreMortem: Are they selling this hurricane generated electricity to Doc Brown when be needs that 1.2 jiggawatts? Pretty sure you can't 'harvest' electricity and store it.

You can put it in water (heat) or batteries or pump a bunch of water up a tower and capture the energy when it comes down.

Citations.  Please include costs.

Fossil fuels are not the answer to mankind's energy needs. Cheap fossil fuels are over unless we completely do away with all industry regulation.


So we wait on fusion or zero-point in the candle light?

\is fine, has plenty of hydro-power
\\no cali, we will not sell it to you forever
 
2014-08-13 06:51:25 PM  
 
2014-08-13 06:51:33 PM  

12349876: gozar_the_destroyer: Hurricane force winds are typically above the upper design limit of wind turbines. They have to go into a safe mode or be ripped apart by vibration and excessive force during winds that fast.

I'm not sure where the upper limit is, but hurricanes usually only have a small core of 74+ mph wind absolutely gargantuan areas of just tropical storm 40-74 mph wind.  If the turbines can handle the tropical storm, chances are the storm would help you out.


I don't know if I'd call 100 miles across "small". That's a pretty big area.
 
2014-08-13 06:51:35 PM  

SquiggsIN: Cheap fossil fuels are over unless we completely do away with all industry regulation.


You're wrong.  You have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2014-08-13 06:56:21 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: gozar_the_destroyer: Hurricane force winds are typically above the upper design limit of wind turbines. They have to go into a safe mode or be ripped apart by vibration and excessive force during winds that fast.

Wind and solar will be supplemental until much better battery tech comes along.

Supplemental?  The majority of all new energy production in the US is wind and solar.  Gas is most of the rest, new coal is deader than dead.  The costs are speeding lower as renewables scale up, fossil fuels can't compete anymore.


It is supplemental in that it can be utilized when it is available but it isn't reliable enough to consistenly meet the grids' needs. Think of an overcast, calm day. That's when we need a consistent primary source of power until we can reliably store excess wind/solar energy on a large-enough scale.
 
2014-08-13 06:56:30 PM  

Tobin_Lam: 12349876: gozar_the_destroyer: Hurricane force winds are typically above the upper design limit of wind turbines. They have to go into a safe mode or be ripped apart by vibration and excessive force during winds that fast.

I'm not sure where the upper limit is, but hurricanes usually only have a small core of 74+ mph wind absolutely gargantuan areas of just tropical storm 40-74 mph wind.  If the turbines can handle the tropical storm, chances are the storm would help you out.

I don't know if I'd call 100 miles across "small". That's a pretty big area.


100 miles is probably a category 3 or better.  Tons of hurricanes only get to 1 or 2.  And the area of tropical storm winds still dwarfs that 100 miles especially in terms of area, not just distance from the eye.  The farther you go from the eye the longer it takes you to go all the way around.
 
2014-08-13 06:58:27 PM  

MooseBayou: Citations.  Please include costs.


Dude, no.  Couldn't you tell from my awful sentence structure and lack of punctuation that I'm lazy?  I was just saying you could store energy and listed a couple ways of doing it.  you can go here if you want:   http://tdworld.com/ They talk about that kind of thing sometiimes

/didn't even read the farking article
//asking me to do work
///some people, sheesh
 
2014-08-13 06:58:33 PM  

PreMortem: Are they selling this hurricane generated electricity to Doc Brown when be needs that 1.2 jiggawatts? Pretty sure you can't 'harvest' electricity and store it.


Sure you can, in various ways as a couple commenters have already pointed out. Plus you can combine it with other forms of energy generation, to fill in for each other when one waxes as the other wanes. Solar and wind are good to team up as wind tends to pick up in many places when the sun goes down.

Like Mark Twain said - "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."
 
2014-08-13 07:01:39 PM  

MooseBayou: DubtodaIll: PreMortem: Are they selling this hurricane generated electricity to Doc Brown when be needs that 1.2 jiggawatts? Pretty sure you can't 'harvest' electricity and store it.

Think of it as hitting an especially rich vein of coal that you don't have to go through the trouble of digging up and shipping and processing. Only trouble is it shows up mostly when it wants and doesn't last all that long. I was thinking about this earlier today and got to wondering if you could bioengineer a plant to photosyntesise electricity.

Jesus Christ, why don't you just farking approach the genome project with your all-new, green, self-feeding, photosynthetic human.  You don't need groceries, just sunlight.  That would save on gas, for sure.

... Solar really seems like the most plentiful and constantly present resource.  Hell it powers the wind itself to some extent. 

To some extent?  Please go read a book.

FFS.  The most abundant resource on earth is bullshiat.  Literally and figuratively.


You sure are grouchy, maybe a vitamin D deficiency? The sun puts out approx. 4 billion times more energy every day than civilization consumes in 100 at our current rate. It is foolish to not want to be able to tap that resource more efficiently. And the way we do it right now isn't terribly efficient. I know my idea is far-fetched but we've never made progress without our imaginations.
 
2014-08-13 07:03:05 PM  

mongbiohazard: PreMortem: Are they selling this hurricane generated electricity to Doc Brown when be needs that 1.2 jiggawatts? Pretty sure you can't 'harvest' electricity and store it.

Sure you can, in various ways as a couple commenters have already pointed out. Plus you can combine it with other forms of energy generation, to fill in for each other when one waxes as the other wanes. Solar and wind are good to team up as wind tends to pick up in many places when the sun goes down.

Like Mark Twain said - "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."


Yeah, that all sounds good in theory.
 
2014-08-13 07:04:27 PM  

DubtodaIll: MooseBayou: DubtodaIll: PreMortem: Are they selling this hurricane generated electricity to Doc Brown when be needs that 1.2 jiggawatts? Pretty sure you can't 'harvest' electricity and store it.

Think of it as hitting an especially rich vein of coal that you don't have to go through the trouble of digging up and shipping and processing. Only trouble is it shows up mostly when it wants and doesn't last all that long. I was thinking about this earlier today and got to wondering if you could bioengineer a plant to photosyntesise electricity.

Jesus Christ, why don't you just farking approach the genome project with your all-new, green, self-feeding, photosynthetic human.  You don't need groceries, just sunlight.  That would save on gas, for sure.

... Solar really seems like the most plentiful and constantly present resource.  Hell it powers the wind itself to some extent. 

To some extent?  Please go read a book.

FFS.  The most abundant resource on earth is bullshiat.  Literally and figuratively.

You sure are grouchy, maybe a vitamin D deficiency? The sun puts out approx. 4 billion times more energy every day than civilization consumes in 100 at our current rate. It is foolish to not want to be able to tap that resource more efficiently. And the way we do it right now isn't terribly efficient. I know my idea is far-fetched but we've never made progress without our imaginations.


That's supposed to say 100 years up there.
 
2014-08-13 07:05:33 PM  

SquiggsIN: MooseBayou: SquiggsIN: (Or so my idiot father thinks)

The fact that you hold your father in such high esteem speaks volumes.

Fathers just love when they produce smart-assed, know-it-all kids.  Give this about ten or twenty years, young man.  You won't know so much.

My father thinks Sarah Palin would've made a good vice president. He's a moron. You don't have to be smart to have children.


Give me your Dad's telephone number.  He needs to know that you are sullying the family name.

How can you say that about your Dad?  He was dumb enough to have had you, you farking ingrate.

You have no idea, do you, boy?  Nope.  No idea.
 
2014-08-13 07:07:21 PM  
We have one of those giant fans in Toronto. I thought it was just to keep the smell of Buffalo, NY away.
 
2014-08-13 07:09:29 PM  

DubtodaIll: MooseBayou: DubtodaIll: PreMortem: Are they selling this hurricane generated electricity to Doc Brown when be needs that 1.2 jiggawatts? Pretty sure you can't 'harvest' electricity and store it.

Think of it as hitting an especially rich vein of coal that you don't have to go through the trouble of digging up and shipping and processing. Only trouble is it shows up mostly when it wants and doesn't last all that long. I was thinking about this earlier today and got to wondering if you could bioengineer a plant to photosyntesise electricity.

Jesus Christ, why don't you just farking approach the genome project with your all-new, green, self-feeding, photosynthetic human.  You don't need groceries, just sunlight.  That would save on gas, for sure.

... Solar really seems like the most plentiful and constantly present resource.  Hell it powers the wind itself to some extent. 

To some extent?  Please go read a book.

FFS.  The most abundant resource on earth is bullshiat.  Literally and figuratively.

You sure are grouchy, maybe a vitamin D deficiency? The sun puts out approx. 4 billion times more energy every day than civilization consumes in 100 at our current rate. It is foolish to not want to be able to tap that resource more efficiently. And the way we do it right now isn't terribly efficient. I know my idea is far-fetched but we've never made progress without our imaginations.


I never said I was AGAINST solar or wind.  It just ain't what's greasing the axle TODAY, know what I mean?  Those technologies will develop, I am sure.  You cannot rely on any of it TODAY.

(I get grouchy when a worthless farking loser young man defames and denounces his father in a public forum.)
 
2014-08-13 07:11:21 PM  

Tobin_Lam: MooseBayou: Citations. Please include costs.

Wikipedia? The concept is easy. You use the electricity from windmills and solar farms to pump water up a tower or into a reservoir and when the sun stops shining or the wind stops blowing you let it flow down through a turbine.


That's completely impractical, from an engineering and economic standpoint.
 
2014-08-13 07:12:15 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: gozar_the_destroyer: Hurricane force winds are typically above the upper design limit of wind turbines. They have to go into a safe mode or be ripped apart by vibration and excessive force during winds that fast.

Wind and solar will be supplemental until much better battery tech comes along.

Supplemental?  The majority of all new energy production in the US is wind and solar.  Gas is most of the rest, new coal is deader than dead.  The costs are speeding lower as renewables scale up, fossil fuels can't compete anymore.


You have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2014-08-13 07:13:40 PM  

SquiggsIN: MooseBayou: SquiggsIN: (Or so my idiot father thinks)

The fact that you hold your father in such high esteem speaks volumes.

Fathers just love when they produce smart-assed, know-it-all kids.  Give this about ten or twenty years, young man.  You won't know so much.

My father thinks Sarah Palin would've made a good vice president. He's a moron. You don't have to be smart to have children.


Parents are human beings. They're not special, they're just like everyone else. Some of them are morons too. You don't automatically get to be wiser or smarter just because you had a kid.

What's worse is that smart people can also sometimes believe truly moronic things. My own dad, like yours, thinks Sarah Palin is the second coming of Ronald Reagan (and even if you don't like Reagan I still think that's a terribly unfair comparison for Reagan). He is generally a smart person, with a pretty high IQ... but he's addicted to the right-wing propaganda machine. So garbage in, garbage out.

I hear some of the absolutely dumbest shiat come out of his mouth. But show him proof that he's wrong and he just gets all pissed and starts shouting about how you're wrong and his proof is because he's so educated. Of course what being "so educated" literally means to him is that he's read a lot of echo-chamber opinion and revisionist history books by evangelicals, conservatives and loony conservative catholic authors. To him the opinion of someone who mirrors his beliefs trumps even scientific evidence.

I haven't been a teenager in decades. The older I get the more human and fallible my father seems. Your bullshiat meter tends to improve with age, so sometimes when you get older you just finally realize your dad might be full of crap. Many of them are.
 
2014-08-13 07:18:36 PM  

MooseBayou: Tobin_Lam: MooseBayou: Citations. Please include costs.

Wikipedia? The concept is easy. You use the electricity from windmills and solar farms to pump water up a tower or into a reservoir and when the sun stops shining or the wind stops blowing you let it flow down through a turbine.

That's completely impractical, from an engineering and economic standpoint.


The people who run the Ludington pumped storage plant (operating since 1973) might disagree.
 
2014-08-13 07:20:08 PM  

MooseBayou: That's completely impractical, from an engineering and economic standpoint.


You should probably start calling the folks who run these projects and let them know that, they don't seem to be aware.
 
2014-08-13 07:20:43 PM  

gozar_the_destroyer: Hurricane force winds are typically above the upper design limit of wind turbines. They have to go into a safe mode or be ripped apart by vibration and excessive force during winds that fast.

Wind and solar will be supplemental until much better battery tech comes along.


^ this (hurricanes actually rip apart turbines)

As far as storage limitations - how often does the sun not shine in the southwest or the wind not blow on the coasts?

/ Germany is successful with solar because they have much more sun than the US
 
2014-08-13 07:20:46 PM  
mongbiohazard:

What's worse is that smart people can also sometimes believe truly moronic things.

Do you consider yourself smart?  Mature?  All growed up now, are we?

Your Dad is much smarter than you give him credit for.  You will eventually get that.  Maybe not yet, but eventually.

Your Dad loves you, man.  Look at it from his side, if you possibly can.  Think of his patience with you.  Think of the sacrifices he made for you.

Stop talking about your Dad in those terms in any thread I am in.  Ban me if you want, Drew - if this is a threadjack - but I ain't backing down from this point.
 
2014-08-13 07:21:50 PM  

osnap: MooseBayou: Citations.  Please include costs.

Dude, no.  Couldn't you tell from my awful sentence structure and lack of punctuation that I'm lazy?  I was just saying you could store energy and listed a couple ways of doing it.  you can go here if you want:   http://tdworld.com/ They talk about that kind of thing sometiimes

/didn't even read the farking article
//asking me to do work
///some people, sheesh


I DEMAND MORE SLASHIES

Now, sirrah!

/or later
//pass the cheetos
 
2014-08-13 07:22:00 PM  

MooseBayou: SquiggsIN: MooseBayou: SquiggsIN: (Or so my idiot father thinks)

The fact that you hold your father in such high esteem speaks volumes.

Fathers just love when they produce smart-assed, know-it-all kids.  Give this about ten or twenty years, young man.  You won't know so much.

My father thinks Sarah Palin would've made a good vice president. He's a moron. You don't have to be smart to have children.

Give me your Dad's telephone number.  He needs to know that you are sullying the family name.

How can you say that about your Dad?  He was dumb enough to have had you, you farking ingrate.

You have no idea, do you, boy?  Nope.  No idea.


Give him a break!

Not everybody has to deal with a troll on a regular basis.
 
2014-08-13 07:22:50 PM  

MooseBayou: Tobin_Lam: MooseBayou: Citations. Please include costs.

Wikipedia? The concept is easy. You use the electricity from windmills and solar farms to pump water up a tower or into a reservoir and when the sun stops shining or the wind stops blowing you let it flow down through a turbine.

That's completely impractical, from an engineering and economic standpoint.


That's so weird because it's a method used all over the world already, including numerous sites in the US. It's how 99% of bulk energy storage is done globally.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pumped-storage_hydroelectric_p o wer_stations
 
2014-08-13 07:22:54 PM  
What of the risk that using up all of this wind, which is what cools the Earth down, causes temperatures to go up?
 
2014-08-13 07:23:18 PM  

Ivo Shandor: MooseBayou: Tobin_Lam: MooseBayou: Citations. Please include costs.

Wikipedia? The concept is easy. You use the electricity from windmills and solar farms to pump water up a tower or into a reservoir and when the sun stops shining or the wind stops blowing you let it flow down through a turbine.

That's completely impractical, from an engineering and economic standpoint.

The people who run the Ludington pumped storage plant (operating since 1973) might disagree.


Noticeably F.A.T.: MooseBayou: That's completely impractical, from an engineering and economic standpoint.

You should probably start calling the folks who run these projects and let them know that, they don't seem to be aware.


Yes, both of those projects are perfectly practical, anywhere on the globe.

Cost analysis, please.
 
2014-08-13 07:23:43 PM  

MooseBayou: You cannot rely on any of it TODAY.

Wait . . . what? I rely on solar for almost all of my energy needs - although for most of this summer, I rely on wind for my transportation. Heck, even the laptop I'm using right now is solar powered.

MooseBayou: You have no idea what you're talking about.

He is correct. Wind power for a couple years now has been the largest source of new electricity in the USA. http://cleantechnica.com/2013/01/31/us-wind-power/ 

And those commies over at Bloomberg finance say US solar power is going to grow 17 *fold* between now and 2030, doubling nearly every year. He's pretty much on target.
 
2014-08-13 07:25:05 PM  

MooseBayou: Tobin_Lam: MooseBayou: Citations. Please include costs.

Wikipedia? The concept is easy. You use the electricity from windmills and solar farms to pump water up a tower or into a reservoir and when the sun stops shining or the wind stops blowing you let it flow down through a turbine.

That's completely impractical, from an engineering and economic standpoint.


So why do we do it? The concept is quite similar to water towers. You store excess generation and use gravity to meet demands that exceed generation capacity. It is pretty easy and and makes perfect economic sense.
 
2014-08-13 07:25:39 PM  

MrSteve007: He is correct. Wind power for a couple years now has been the largest source of new electricity in the USA.


*cue angry World of Warcraft teen tantrum*
 
2014-08-13 07:28:15 PM  
At any rate, I'd be interested in seeing how many birds get killed by off-shore wind turbines. Can't be much more damaging to the local community than the "Shadow flicker" onshore turbines can cause, right?
 
2014-08-13 07:30:00 PM  

MooseBayou: mongbiohazard:

What's worse is that smart people can also sometimes believe truly moronic things.

Do you consider yourself smart?  Mature?  All growed up now, are we?

Your Dad is much smarter than you give him credit for.  You will eventually get that.  Maybe not yet, but eventually.

Your Dad loves you, man.  Look at it from his side, if you possibly can.  Think of his patience with you.  Think of the sacrifices he made for you.

Stop talking about your Dad in those terms in any thread I am in.  Ban me if you want, Drew - if this is a threadjack - but I ain't backing down from this point.


My dad and I do indeed love each other. However that doesn't change the fact that he has all the political sophistication of a sociopathic, homophobic 17 year old who just read Atlas Shrugged for the first time.

He's a smart guy who has been snookered in to espousing some truly awful things by the biggest con-game in history - the "conservative" movement.

And I'm not sure you would be violating the Farq by threadjacking... I suspect trolling is your true offense. Looking at your posts... it looks like you're just trolling us here.
 
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