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(Everett Herald)   Mesa, Arizona named the most conservative city in the U.S., narrowly edging out whatever city Rush Limbaugh happened to be in   (heraldnet.com) divider line 99
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2014-08-13 09:22:33 AM
Fark liberals immediately spring into action, googling "Mesa Arizona" and searching for something mean to say about the city.
 
2014-08-13 09:57:16 AM
Used to live in Tempe. Mesa is another Phoenix suburb with a long Mormon history. Its definitely a very conservative public culture. Not libertarian, like much of rural AZ, but conservative. Beautiful Mormon temple there.
 
2014-08-13 10:46:29 AM
More conservative than some hellhole in east Texas, like Tyler, Marshall or Kilgore?

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.
 
2014-08-13 10:59:46 AM
FTFA: The study explored citizens' policy preferences and compared them with their cities' policies to determine whether there is a relationship

In their next groundbreaking study they're going to expose the shocking truth that most people who buy a ticket to an NFL game support the home team.
 
2014-08-13 11:13:54 AM

Son of Thunder: Fark liberals immediately spring into action, googling "Mesa Arizona" and searching for something mean to say about the city.


Does one need to say anything more than "It's in Arizona"?
 
2014-08-13 12:04:35 PM
With a per-capita income of $19,601 for Mesa vs. $46,777 for SF, that kind of messes up the stereotypes.  Is everyone in Mesa a retiree on SS or something?
 
2014-08-13 12:04:43 PM
Not all of Mesa is a lovely desert conservative paradise. I lived in Gilbert for a while and I could watch almost nightly as the police helicopters flew over Mesa. Also fark the entire Phoenix Metro area because HOT!
 
2014-08-13 12:05:28 PM

Son of Thunder: Fark liberals immediately spring into action, googling "Mesa Arizona" and searching for something mean to say about the city.


No, I'm searching for "local optometrist", because I think I hurt something, rolling my eyes so severely at that comment.
 
2014-08-13 12:06:49 PM
Lots of olds there. Lots of olds.
 
2014-08-13 12:09:55 PM
Fountain Hills wasn't in the running?
 
2014-08-13 12:11:33 PM
www.fakenews.net
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2014-08-13 12:12:09 PM

Rapmaster2000: With a per-capita income of $19,601 for Mesa vs. $46,777 for SF, that kind of messes up the stereotypes.


Does it really? It seems like nowadays the loudest self-identified "conservatives" are white-trash Teabaggers who happily accept every government handout they can, while at the same time railing against "socialism". My wife's family in eastern Oregon, for example.
 
2014-08-13 12:12:38 PM

Ennuipoet: Son of Thunder: Fark liberals immediately spring into action, googling "Mesa Arizona" and searching for something mean to say about the city.

Does one need to say anything more than "It's in Arizona"?


And we are done here
 
2014-08-13 12:12:52 PM

Rapmaster2000: With a per-capita income of $19,601 for Mesa vs. $46,777 for SF, that kind of messes up the stereotypes.  Is everyone in Mesa a retiree on SS or something?


Not defending Mesa or the idiots within their borders, but cost of living is lower than most of SF, LA, ect. But with a lower-cost-of-living, comes with a lower quality of life, as well.

I am willing to bet they don't have any of the fine culture or any museums (other than redneck ones)

It's comparing apples to oranges
 
2014-08-13 12:13:39 PM
Erg.

Liberal locales are largely known for industry and work. Mesa AZ has a average wage that competes with the Federal minimum.

I've made similar comments in enough threads....... but, holy Christ, DUH.
 
2014-08-13 12:15:01 PM

Mrs.Sharpier: Lots of olds there. Lots of olds.


This.

Mesa is actually a really nice place, but it is full of retired people. What's even scarier is the city is larger than Miami, Atlanta, New Orleans, etc.
 
2014-08-13 12:15:26 PM
 
2014-08-13 12:16:11 PM
Well Rush spent many years in New York, so...

You're argument is invalid.

img.fark.net
 
2014-08-13 12:17:24 PM
Mesa, Arizona.

Located in Maricopa County.

Sheriff Joe Arapaio's personal little fiefdom.

NUFF SAID!!!
 
2014-08-13 12:20:24 PM
I did a substation for a little steel mill there a few years back. It was hot and miserable. The lead engineer gave me his card at the time and asked if I wanted a job (offering a decent raise). I politely declined- no thanks.
 
2014-08-13 12:20:25 PM
Joe Arapaio for president.
 
2014-08-13 12:23:10 PM
People stupid enough to keep electing Sheriff Joe?  Sounds about right.
 
2014-08-13 12:23:53 PM

Trance750: Rapmaster2000: With a per-capita income of $19,601 for Mesa vs. $46,777 for SF, that kind of messes up the stereotypes.  Is everyone in Mesa a retiree on SS or something?

Not defending Mesa or the idiots within their borders, but cost of living is lower than most of SF, LA, ect. But with a lower-cost-of-living, comes with a lower quality of life, as well.

I am willing to bet they don't have any of the fine culture or any museums (other than redneck ones)

It's comparing apples to oranges


Just moved to Mesa, so getting a kick. My mom lives in Scottsdale, and I'm in school at Gilbert and sometimes Tempe, so Mesa felt like a decent mid way point to park it til I finish school and head off to my internship in San Francisco.

I don't see any daily parades for Rush Limbaugh or anything. None of my neighbors seem hyper - religious. There's no "conservative culture" vibe among anyone I've talked to. It's almost as if this is just like any other place.

There aren't museums in Mesa that I've yet found, but the zoo is close and there are Phoenix's own museums that are not too far away either. We at least got a membership to the zoo for the kids.

I used to live in Vegas, so I would compare it to there, only the Phoenix area seems a lot cleaner overall than Vegas.

Traffic cops are everywhere, though. And being in Maricopa county scares me.

But, yeah, like Sapper_Topo said, it's farking hot. But otherwise not bad.

So far.
 
2014-08-13 12:24:10 PM
I bet there's a whole lotta bootstrappy anti-government "libertarians" there, gleefully living in one of the worst welfare states in the union.
 
2014-08-13 12:24:40 PM
A.
Per-capita income of $19,601 so they don't pay Federal income taxes.

B.
The top 5 Mesa employers are all funded with government spending.

1     Banner Health System
(Medicare)

2     Mesa Public Schools
(Taxpayer funded)

3     Boeing
(Government contracts)

4     City of Mesa
(Taxpayer funded)

5     Maricopa County Government
(Taxpayer funded)

 / But get gummint outta my pocket!!
 
2014-08-13 12:25:29 PM

Fart_Machine: People stupid enough to keep electing Sheriff Joe?  Sounds about right.


People were stupid enough to elect Bush... twice no less

And don't get me started on that corporate sell-out named Rick Perry
 
2014-08-13 12:25:34 PM

ThatBillmanGuy: Trance750: Rapmaster2000: With a per-capita income of $19,601 for Mesa vs. $46,777 for SF, that kind of messes up the stereotypes.  Is everyone in Mesa a retiree on SS or something?

Not defending Mesa or the idiots within their borders, but cost of living is lower than most of SF, LA, ect. But with a lower-cost-of-living, comes with a lower quality of life, as well.

I am willing to bet they don't have any of the fine culture or any museums (other than redneck ones)

It's comparing apples to oranges

Just moved to Mesa, so getting a kick. My mom lives in Scottsdale, and I'm in school at Gilbert and sometimes Tempe, so Mesa felt like a decent mid way point to park it til I finish school and head off to my internship in San Francisco.

I don't see any daily parades for Rush Limbaugh or anything. None of my neighbors seem hyper - religious. There's no "conservative culture" vibe among anyone I've talked to. It's almost as if this is just like any other place.

There aren't museums in Mesa that I've yet found, but the zoo is close and there are Phoenix's own museums that are not too far away either. We at least got a membership to the zoo for the kids.

I used to live in Vegas, so I would compare it to there, only the Phoenix area seems a lot cleaner overall than Vegas.

Traffic cops are everywhere, though. And being in Maricopa county scares me.

But, yeah, like Sapper_Topo said, it's farking hot. But otherwise not bad.

So far.


A few years back, I spent some time in Scottsdale.

Casual racism.  No shiat, it was unbelievable.
 
2014-08-13 12:28:41 PM

CheetahOlivetti: Fountain Hills wasn't in the running?


Not enough population to qualify for list. Living there now and fed up with the politics, looking for a better area to move to. Mesa not  in the running, considering central Phoenix and Tempe.
 
2014-08-13 12:30:22 PM
I'm from there. It's a pretty conservative place. It's a typical suburb of a major city though. Tons of neighborhoods, lots of shopping, a couple decent museums, couple decent music venues. It does have a LONG Mormon history though, super long. Mormons make good neighbors, as it were. But they're moving steadily east.

Mesa is however, in decline. Property values there got murdered with the RE crash, and a whole lot of wealthier people started moving out into newer suburbs, like chandler and gilbert. Mesa is pretty old, and many of the neighborhoods are getting more rundown. The cheaper home prices have enticed a lot of people from southern cali to move there, along with their troubles (gangs,drugs). The low property value has also brought in a lot of illegal alien families. It's not uncommon to see 2 and 3 families living in the same single family home. Sometimes 2 or 3 houses on the same street.

Tempe is nicer, as it's more of a college town, and the city strives to maintain it's base as under age30 consumerism area. For the most part it works.
Gilbert and chandler are for the solidly middle class. Good Schools, lots of parks, etc.
You don't start to see the rednecks and the trailerpark crowd till you get further east into Apache Junction and QueenCreek. Even QueenCreek is trying to get into being a more middleclass place. They've really upgraded their schooldistricts to draw in young families.
 
2014-08-13 12:32:03 PM

tripleseven: ThatBillmanGuy: Trance750: Rapmaster2000: With a per-capita income of $19,601 for Mesa vs. $46,777 for SF, that kind of messes up the stereotypes.  Is everyone in Mesa a retiree on SS or something?

Not defending Mesa or the idiots within their borders, but cost of living is lower than most of SF, LA, ect. But with a lower-cost-of-living, comes with a lower quality of life, as well.

I am willing to bet they don't have any of the fine culture or any museums (other than redneck ones)

It's comparing apples to oranges

Just moved to Mesa, so getting a kick. My mom lives in Scottsdale, and I'm in school at Gilbert and sometimes Tempe, so Mesa felt like a decent mid way point to park it til I finish school and head off to my internship in San Francisco.

I don't see any daily parades for Rush Limbaugh or anything. None of my neighbors seem hyper - religious. There's no "conservative culture" vibe among anyone I've talked to. It's almost as if this is just like any other place.

There aren't museums in Mesa that I've yet found, but the zoo is close and there are Phoenix's own museums that are not too far away either. We at least got a membership to the zoo for the kids.

I used to live in Vegas, so I would compare it to there, only the Phoenix area seems a lot cleaner overall than Vegas.

Traffic cops are everywhere, though. And being in Maricopa county scares me.

But, yeah, like Sapper_Topo said, it's farking hot. But otherwise not bad.

So far.

A few years back, I spent some time in Scottsdale.

Casual racism.  No shiat, it was unbelievable.


old-money scottsdale is like that. Some of the newer developments there are just folks though.
 
2014-08-13 12:36:17 PM

Rapmaster2000: With a per-capita income of $19,601 for Mesa vs. $46,777 for SF, that kind of messes up the stereotypes.  Is everyone in Mesa a retiree on SS or something?


Yes, Mesa has a lot of retirees.
 
2014-08-13 12:37:47 PM

Rapmaster2000: With a per-capita income of $19,601 for Mesa vs. $46,777 for SF, that kind of messes up the stereotypes.  Is everyone in Mesa a retiree on SS or something?


Damn right! And they don't want the government messing with their Medicare, either!
 
2014-08-13 12:38:59 PM
Lived there 14 years. Never thought it was particularly conservative but the Mormons did vote as instructed; lots of LDS politicians running a town where they're no longer the majority.

The old people invasion each fall was annoying. An army of white skin and blue hair.

I left 10+ years ago during the California invasion. I guess they moved all the conservatives to AZ.
 
2014-08-13 12:44:05 PM
My cousin lives there.
He is the polar opposite of me.
I'm the nice one.
 
2014-08-13 12:44:13 PM

Born to Die: Rapmaster2000: With a per-capita income of $19,601 for Mesa vs. $46,777 for SF, that kind of messes up the stereotypes.

Does it really? It seems like nowadays the loudest self-identified "conservatives" are white-trash Teabaggers who happily accept every government handout they can, while at the same time railing against "socialism". My wife's family in eastern Oregon, for example.


Wow, are you MSNBC?
 
2014-08-13 12:44:41 PM

Trance750: But with a lower-cost-of-living, comes with a lower quality of life, as well.


you equate quality of life with what kind of restaurant your city has?

wow.
 
2014-08-13 12:46:27 PM
I've been there. It's essentially a city-sized trailer park full of poor white trash. Sort of the western version of Palm Bay, Florida.
 
2014-08-13 12:47:39 PM

stir22: you equate quality of life with what kind of restaurant your city has?


Who said anything about restaurants?
 
2014-08-13 12:51:28 PM
So basically the liberal cities are the ones that price out poor people?
 
2014-08-13 12:52:08 PM

jaytkay: stir22: you equate quality of life with what kind of restaurant your city has?

Who said anything about restaurants?


inferred.
 
2014-08-13 12:55:17 PM

Rapmaster2000: With a per-capita income of $19,601 for Mesa vs. $46,777 for SF, that kind of messes up the stereotypes.  Is everyone in Mesa a retiree on SS or something?


From the article:
Mesa taxes: $390 per-capita or 2% of the per-capita income
SF Taxes:    $2996 per-capita or 6.4% of the per-capita income

Mesa Spending: $1418 per-capita or 7.2% of the per-capita income
SF Spending:     $6031 per-capita or 12.9% of the per-capita income

No real point here - I just find the tax & spending numbers more interesting when normalized by the per-capita income.

 Haven't been to Mesa, but I did some work in Phoenix a few years ago.  I'll take San Francisco any day.
 
2014-08-13 12:57:27 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: Ennuipoet: Son of Thunder: Fark liberals immediately spring into action, googling "Mesa Arizona" and searching for something mean to say about the city.

Does one need to say anything more than "It's in Arizona"?

And we are done here


There's rational people in Arizona!
/I'm one!
//I think...
 
2014-08-13 12:58:23 PM
I used to work for a small company in Mesa.  My first year there, they planned a team-building exercise, constructing homes for poor folks in Mexico.  Required equipment that we had to bring included a tool belt, hammer, safety gear, and a bible.

It was during the dot-com bust and work was hard to find, so I just kept my mouth shut.  As it turned out, my wife went into labor just before the mission event, so I was excused.
 
2014-08-13 01:00:58 PM

Vertdang: tripleseven: ThatBillmanGuy: Trance750: Rapmaster2000: With a per-capita income of $19,601 for Mesa vs. $46,777 for SF, that kind of messes up the stereotypes.  Is everyone in Mesa a retiree on SS or something?

Not defending Mesa or the idiots within their borders, but cost of living is lower than most of SF, LA, ect. But with a lower-cost-of-living, comes with a lower quality of life, as well.

I am willing to bet they don't have any of the fine culture or any museums (other than redneck ones)

It's comparing apples to oranges

Just moved to Mesa, so getting a kick. My mom lives in Scottsdale, and I'm in school at Gilbert and sometimes Tempe, so Mesa felt like a decent mid way point to park it til I finish school and head off to my internship in San Francisco.

I don't see any daily parades for Rush Limbaugh or anything. None of my neighbors seem hyper - religious. There's no "conservative culture" vibe among anyone I've talked to. It's almost as if this is just like any other place.

There aren't museums in Mesa that I've yet found, but the zoo is close and there are Phoenix's own museums that are not too far away either. We at least got a membership to the zoo for the kids.

I used to live in Vegas, so I would compare it to there, only the Phoenix area seems a lot cleaner overall than Vegas.

Traffic cops are everywhere, though. And being in Maricopa county scares me.

But, yeah, like Sapper_Topo said, it's farking hot. But otherwise not bad.

So far.

A few years back, I spent some time in Scottsdale.

Casual racism.  No shiat, it was unbelievable.

old-money scottsdale is like that. Some of the newer developments there are just folks though.


These were young people.  The company I worked for bought an interest out there.  I was sent out as a transitioning team. The accounting dept took us out to dinner.

Actual conversation at dinner, "Hey Sara, remember the time we were here and that black guy tried to pick you up? lol!"

Also, you could tell, from a lot of people, that the n word was just about to drop, but they realized we were from NY and probably wouldn't care for it too much.
 
2014-08-13 01:03:58 PM

stir22: Trance750: But with a lower-cost-of-living, comes with a lower quality of life, as well.

you equate quality of life with what kind of restaurant your city has?

wow.


I said MUSEUM

Go back to wacking off to your picture of Reagen
 
2014-08-13 01:09:43 PM

bighairyguy: So basically the liberal cities are the ones that price out poor people?


Yes.

Cities get rid of their:

Retail workers
Restaurant workers
Librarians
Construction people (mostly)
Car washers
factory employees
Data entry workers


/Ok, I don't want to brainstorm anymore, you get the idea, right? Cities can't actually function without low income workers.

//You are dumb for having that thought.
 
2014-08-13 01:12:49 PM

Trance750: Fart_Machine: People stupid enough to keep electing Sheriff Joe?  Sounds about right.

People were stupid enough to elect Bush... twice no less

And don't get me started on that corporate sell-out named Rick Perry

Almost

twice.
 
2014-08-13 01:14:05 PM
Damnit Fark, why does your new comment box butcher formatting?

That should have said: "Almost twice"
 
2014-08-13 01:17:01 PM

Trance750: stir22: Trance750: But with a lower-cost-of-living, comes with a lower quality of life, as well.

you equate quality of life with what kind of restaurant your city has?

wow.

I said MUSEUM

Go back to wacking off to your picture of Reagen


lulz......oh c'mon, you're part of the Fark Culture Brigade,  putting museums/restaurants/et al all under the same umbrella, denigrating anyone who dares not live in a metropolis.

/btw, i think reagan sucked.
 
2014-08-13 01:20:22 PM

Trance750: stir22: Trance750: But with a lower-cost-of-living, comes with a lower quality of life, as well.

you equate quality of life with what kind of restaurant your city has?

wow.

I said MUSEUM

Go back to wacking off to your picture of Reagen


Mesa is a suburb of Phoenix, which has plenty of museums (few of which I want to visit, but then our botannical gardens are spectacular..do they count?).

I find that museums IMHO museums are better in more urban cities than in sprawly cities. Even the musems in LA are kind of meh to me.

Speaking of high cost of living, quality of life and, let's say LA for example, I find that you get lots of overpriced food, easy access to clubs and drugs (and maybe a marginally better public transit system than available in the PHX area), and a culture of celebrity fellatio. I absolutely love LA but I didnt know i was missing out on its "quality of life".
 
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