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(TenCopper.com)   Games Workshop: Only those with physical stores shall be worthy of carrying our holy Product. Online-only sellers are "free-riding on the investment made by" bricks & mortar stores   (tencopper.com) divider line 160
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2014-08-13 12:21:03 PM  
fark those guys. Anyone wanna play warmachine?
 
2014-08-13 12:27:59 PM  

Weaver95: fark those guys.


Agreed on that.  Their just pissed because they've had to close a lot of Games Workshop stores.  I like brick and mortar stores.  I don't like stores that are dedicated to Warhammer, Warhammer 40k, and whatever miniatures they want to pawn off.  They don't even carry the boxed games they publish.
 
2014-08-13 01:10:59 PM  
OTOH, the brick and mortar stores frequently provide space for hosting games and tournaments, while the online stores don't have to pay for that square footage (and correspondingly, don't help enhance the community). GW's not entirely wrong, in that regard.
 
2014-08-13 01:41:31 PM  
Wait until they hear about home 3D printers.
 
2014-08-13 01:43:14 PM  
This is all about controlling pricing. Online shops will aggressively price their products while boutique gamer shops will not. Doing this essentially eliminates competition since b&m shops are niche in this category and don't compete. Libertarians and capitalists should hate this and never buy their board games again.
 
2014-08-13 01:44:21 PM  
fark GW. Terribly mismanaged, and have zero idea how to grow their market and expand.
 
2014-08-13 01:45:32 PM  
I live a few miles from a Games Workshop store - from what I can gather, possibly the only one in my state. I have no idea how they stay open. I've never been inside, because Games Workshop is the devil.

I'm moving out of the area soon, but maybe I should finally stop by with some good tidings.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-08-13 01:52:13 PM  
Dear Games Workshop,

I love your Warhammer 40k IP.  I love the silly, over the top grimdarkness of it.  I've enjoyed playing in your IP on the table and on the computer.  Hell, I've even purchased a few of your novels (don't do that, they are terrible).  Why, oh why, do you have to be so incredibly douchetastic?

Sincerely,
Puck
A former consumer of your product.
 
2014-08-13 01:52:56 PM  
It was nice knowing you guys.

I love their Warhammer 40K miniatures, and it is by lack of time and inability to spend that much money on an army and not being able to stand some of the community being standoffish asshole dickheads that would rather mock than help someone get started....

I'm sorry, I started in on a rant.

Anyways, I love the 40K universe.

Now, someone mentioned Warmachine?
 
2014-08-13 01:55:20 PM  
I kind of see their point, especially given the number of times I have gone to a store to decide whether or not to buy online.  But if they can't manage their pricing scheme better than this, fark them.
 
2014-08-13 01:58:40 PM  
If there's ever a customer that doesn't want to get off his ass and get his mom to drive him to the store, it's a tabletop gamer.
 
2014-08-13 01:59:06 PM  

Weaver95: fark those guys. Anyone wanna play warmachine?


Sure, just as soon as someone buys all these Tau off of me so I can replace them with Menoth troops.

How about Flames of War instead?
 
2014-08-13 01:59:48 PM  
I have never played or desired to play a table top or CCG in my life, I don't know anybody who has and even I know that Games Workshop are a bunch of petulant ass-dragons. In fact, aside from the names of some of their IPs, it's pretty much the only thing I know about them because being assholes is pretty much the only thing they seem to do that gets them press outside their particular market.

When your reputation for throwing silly temper tantrums is so well established that even people who have no interest in your niche products know about your piss-poor behavior, maybe it's time to take a goddamn chill pill and reevaluate your marketing strategy.
 
2014-08-13 02:00:13 PM  
This might have helped 15 years ago.

But probably not, GW couldn't manage it's way out of a wet paper bag without opening a thousand pointless retail stores and jacking up prices on everything.
 
2014-08-13 02:00:22 PM  
For a group that made millions of dollars by dropping Heinlein's Starship Troopers into the Silmarillion and stripping all the subtlety from the religious references and iconography, then stole a bunch of character designs from a ten-year-old's trapper keeper (or whatever '80s equivalent) and pasted the lot onto a standard wargame format that's been floating around since the '30s... these guys sure have a stick up their ass about IP protections and only being able to get your stuff from one place.
 
2014-08-13 02:00:45 PM  
Wheels are just free-riding on the investment made by square blocks.
 
2014-08-13 02:01:15 PM  

Running a-puck: Dear Games Workshop,

I love your Warhammer 40k IP.  I love the silly, over the top grimdarkness of it.


That's the thing... Its still grimdark, but its not silly any more.  The orks are the last vestige of the "old" 40K, and that's only because it'd be very hard to pry the silliness out of them.

Physically, the quality of GW product is amazing these days.  Crisp, detailed and cleverly manufactured plastic figures.  But ugly ugly ugly and grotesquely overpriced, and their constant cash grabbingly cynical rulebook updates are designed solely to oblige gamers to spend money.

/still has a half box of plastic "Beaky" marines in his hobby stash.
 
2014-08-13 02:07:28 PM  
GRUMPYCATGOOD.jpg

Online distribution has pretty much killed PC gaming for me.  Everybody wants to be an MMO despite the acknowledged fact that most users are playing in "solo but hey look some asshat made a stupid comment in the /world chat channel" mode.  It's cool if that's what you like, but I prefer to have offline games that I buy from an actual store where actual people work.
 
2014-08-13 02:09:38 PM  
Meh, I've been gaming since 1980 and never played one of their games. Been in one of their stores once and found nothing of interest. Third party retailers have a wide selection, Gamesworkshop sells Warhammer, Warhammer 40k and some licensed LOTR stuff. I go to an independent hobby shop and I can get games from dozens of publishers. Limiting my options does not attract me to your product.

Theaetetus: OTOH, the brick and mortar stores frequently provide space for hosting games and tournaments, while the online stores don't have to pay for that square footage (and correspondingly, don't help enhance the community). GW's not entirely wrong, in that regard.


Sure, but the Gamesworkshop in my city rents the space, so it's not a "free community service". Plus, most hobby stores offer this and if you're willing to pay a premium for this level of service go ahead. I own a house so I have no need to pay more for product just to have playing space available. Finally, there's plenty of play space available at libraries, community centers, schools, colleges / universities that regularly let gamers use rooms. In 30+ years of gaming I've never been unable to secure a space to game.
 
2014-08-13 02:11:11 PM  
Didn't GW try to sue some author for using the phrase "Space Marine" in a book *completely unrelated* to the Warhammer Universe?

Weaver95: fark those guys. Anyone wanna play warmachine?


man if I played a miniatures setting, It'd be Warmachine. I admit,I just like the *flavor* of the setting, and how only two of the factions are really unsympathetic. (And even then, one of them is just fascinating. "Man. As an ageless being, I am really, REALLY farking bored. .. Huh. I wonder if I can cut pieces out of my soul.. oh cool I can!LET'S PLAY WITH THESE." )
 
2014-08-13 02:12:17 PM  
It's their product. Just don't buy it if you don't like them.

I try not to buy products made in China. But sometimes when I feel the need for a melamine sammich, what's a boy to do?
 
2014-08-13 02:14:22 PM  

Running a-puck: Hell, I've even purchased a few of your novels (don't do that, they are terrible).


I used to work in a hobby shop and one slow afternoon I picked up one of their novels to pass the time. Between the Tom of Finland goes to space illustration and the over the top macho-ness of the writing I was expecting a gay sex romp at any moment. That might have actually added a little depth to the 'story'. What crap.
 
2014-08-13 02:14:28 PM  
So stores that have a tiny storefront in a giant warehouse to fulfill online orders are cool, right?

/their cunning plan, let them show you it
 
2014-08-13 02:17:21 PM  

tillerman35: GRUMPYCATGOOD.jpg

Online distribution has pretty much killed PC gaming for me.  Everybody wants to be an MMO despite the acknowledged fact that most users are playing in "solo but hey look some asshat made a stupid comment in the /world chat channel" mode.  It's cool if that's what you like, but I prefer to have offline games that I buy from an actual store where actual people work.


Then you should probably RTFA and get back to us...
 
2014-08-13 02:20:47 PM  

madgonad: Libertarians and capitalists should hate this and never buy their board games again.


not really.  it's their product, they can sell it however they want.
 
2014-08-13 02:23:31 PM  

No Such Agency: That's the thing... Its still grimdark, but its not silly any more.


Eh, the Space Marines had the misfortune of a series of authors that took the idea completely straight-faced (and they seem to think they invented it for some reason), but a lot of the other factions and setting elements don't suffer from that.

Personally, I find the RPG psykers and navigators to be comedy gold for the warp-misfire tables alone.  And a lot of Chaos was designed by basically throwing darts at a wall of post-it notes, which leads to some entertaining nonsense, like the chaos champion that heals everything around him at a rapid pace, making duels exercises in pure absurdity.
 
2014-08-13 02:23:57 PM  
Well, bye.

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2014-08-13 02:24:38 PM  

tillerman35: GRUMPYCATGOOD.jpg

Online distribution has pretty much killed PC gaming for me.  Everybody wants to be an MMO despite the acknowledged fact that most users are playing in "solo but hey look some asshat made a stupid comment in the /world chat channel" mode.  It's cool if that's what you like, but I prefer to have offline games that I buy from an actual store where actual people work.


1. The article isn't about video games.

2. Plenty of single player video games are distributed online. Unless a game is specifically designed for multiplayer only (like Counterstrike), you just play it like you would a game of a CD. I've got about 60 games on my Steam account and I've played less than 10 of them in multiplayer mode.
 
2014-08-13 02:25:36 PM  

Tyrosine: Theaetetus: OTOH, the brick and mortar stores frequently provide space for hosting games and tournaments, while the online stores don't have to pay for that square footage (and correspondingly, don't help enhance the community). GW's not entirely wrong, in that regard.

Plus, most hobby stores offer this and if you're willing to pay a premium for this level of service go ahead.


That's the point - those hobby stores want to charge a premium, but are being undercut by the online-only sellers. The alternative, as you note, is renting space for games... but that makes it tougher for the stores to be hangout spots.
 
2014-08-13 02:25:42 PM  
No one shall innovate, ever.
 
2014-08-13 02:28:08 PM  

Jim_Callahan: No Such Agency: That's the thing... Its still grimdark, but its not silly any more.

Eh, the Space Marines had the misfortune of a series of authors that took the idea completely straight-faced (and they seem to think they invented it for some reason), but a lot of the other factions and setting elements don't suffer from that.

Personally, I find the RPG psykers and navigators to be comedy gold for the warp-misfire tables alone.  And a lot of Chaos was designed by basically throwing darts at a wall of post-it notes, which leads to some entertaining nonsense, like the chaos champion that heals everything around him at a rapid pace, making duels exercises in pure absurdity.


And Orks, of course. One of my Ork units has a gun that fire squigs, which can then materialize inside the targets body..

But for the cost of 40k units, I should be getting a 6inch fully painted and articulated action figure. And hey, sell some Tshirts and other merch. And stop suing people... and... you know what, they just farking suck at business.
 
2014-08-13 02:29:32 PM  
Pay to win games suck.
 
2014-08-13 02:30:22 PM  

Tyrosine: independent hobby shop


Part of the problem is that these are not overly common any more, even in major centers.  And they face the paradox that a game needs players for the product to be profitable... and a local player base is hard to get going when the FLGS doesn't stock the game.

I've painted gaming figures for over two decades and I've never got into playing partly because other than WH/40k, its hard to find anyone lical consistently playing anything.  And as mentioned already, WH/40k players are often unpleasant to play with.
 
2014-08-13 02:31:49 PM  
Walked into a Games Workshop store, and all I could think of was an old SNL skit about a guy in a run-down mall who had a shop that only sold Scotch Tape.   All the other business around were closing and moving out due to the bad economy, and ironically, though they all thought the tape store guy was an idiot, each wound up buying some tape because they needed it to hold up their "store closing" signs.
 
2014-08-13 02:32:30 PM  

redsquid: Running a-puck: Hell, I've even purchased a few of your novels (don't do that, they are terrible).

I used to work in a hobby shop and one slow afternoon I picked up one of their novels to pass the time. Between the Tom of Finland goes to space illustration and the over the top macho-ness of the writing I was expecting a gay sex romp at any moment. That might have actually added a little depth to the 'story'. What crap.


Actually, there is ONE omnibus that I enjoyed the hell out of; Ciaphas Cain (Hero of the Imperium).  A friend recommended it to me and it was good enough that I bought another omnibus of a different series which was god awful.  Then I thought, "Maybe I just hit a dud, duds happen" and I bought another.
No More.  Not now, not ever.
 
2014-08-13 02:33:09 PM  

redsquid: I used to work in a hobby shop and one slow afternoon I picked up one of their novels to pass the time. Between the Tom of Finland goes to space illustration and the over the top macho-ness of the writing I was expecting a gay sex romp at any moment. That might have actually added a little depth to the 'story'. What crap.


The chronicles of Ciaphas Cain (HERO OF THE IMPERIUM) are the only books from GW properties that I could really recommend.  They're all written by flavor text writers or fanboys who think the setting is some sort of serious high art, the Cain books are the only ones that seem to realize that most of the draw of the IP is that it's fundamentally, unashamedly ridiculous, even the boring human bits.

Well, some of the other books get it, but they sort of run into the writers not being great and attempts to add subtle comedic bits thus falling flat.  The Cain books just go balls-out straight into campy slapstick territory and it actually works really well.
 
2014-08-13 02:39:29 PM  

No Such Agency: Running a-puck: Dear Games Workshop,

I love your Warhammer 40k IP.  I love the silly, over the top grimdarkness of it.

That's the thing... Its still grimdark, but its not silly any more.  The orks are the last vestige of the "old" 40K, and that's only because it'd be very hard to pry the silliness out of them.

Physically, the quality of GW product is amazing these days.  Crisp, detailed and cleverly manufactured plastic figures.  But ugly ugly ugly and grotesquely overpriced, and their constant cash grabbingly cynical rulebook updates are designed solely to oblige gamers to spend money.

/still has a half box of plastic "Beaky" marines in his hobby stash.


Probably because they are a) a public company and b) isn't their stuff still made in the UK?  First world labor isn't cheap.

That said, I'd rather buy from my local gaming store than save money online.  No place to play in the Interwebs.
 
2014-08-13 02:40:02 PM  
Never played a table top game, but I have enjoyed a few CCGs. Namely the old decipher Star Wars and Star Trek CCGs. Currently, I occasionally play Pokemon with my 6 year old who seems to love it. I occasionally make my own star trek ccg cards with photoshop. Mainly because there's no Enterprise F card to represent the new ship from Star Trek Online, and I wanted one.
 
2014-08-13 02:41:04 PM  

Jim_Callahan: No Such Agency: That's the thing... Its still grimdark, but its not silly any more.

Eh, the Space Marines had the misfortune of a series of authors that took the idea completely straight-faced (and they seem to think they invented it for some reason), but a lot of the other factions and setting elements don't suffer from that.

Personally, I find the RPG psykers and navigators to be comedy gold for the warp-misfire tables alone.  And a lot of Chaos was designed by basically throwing darts at a wall of post-it notes, which leads to some entertaining nonsense, like the chaos champion that heals everything around him at a rapid pace, making duels exercises in pure absurdity.


There's still silliness to be found in Space Marines. Thunderwolf Cavalry for Space Wolves are both silly and awesome at the same time.

The fluff has been getting better as of late. Even Matt Ward's stopped sucking on Marneus Calgar's schlong 24/7 and started to acknowledge other Chapters are more bad-ass than the Ultrasmurfs and the Codex isn't Holy scripture from the Emprah written down by Guliman. The new Marine Codex gives the Ultramarines some nice tactical flexibility but the other Founders get better all over specialties; White Scars and Raven Guard are serious contenders again. The Imperial Knights are a good example of going way back deep into the lore and bringing it back to the forefront again. Of course, selling IK's at $140 a pop has it's benefits for them too...
 
2014-08-13 02:43:10 PM  
To be fair GW's Australian pricing has always been bad, they established a price floor back when there were more trade barriers and the pound was much higher, now they are reticent to give that up. That said they are not wrong in the damage that online pricing does to brick and mortar game stores and the gaming community as a whole, not even mentioning GW stores (which are more like Apple stores in that they function at a loss to give new players an introduction to the game and a play space). Table top games, rpg's and card games require people who are physically present to play the game with. Online retailers deprive local game stores of revenue and cannibalize the community by removing the social-physical interaction that's to the core of it's existence. We all like low prices but with table tops and RPG's especially we need places to play and people to play them with and the local games store is the foundation of that, it introduces you to games and tells you about people in ways the internet can't and by spending money online that's money we aren't spending to support those (incredibly low margin btw) businesses. That said this really only applies to North America and Oceania, Europe and England in particular have a great gaming club culture that really mitigates the impact of the local games store. As a side note we won't see that sort of club culture appear in the US at least given how decentralized we are and the lack of facilities that could even make that possible.

Table top games are unique in that their products don't for the most part expire, I played a game with only models I bought in 1994 and earlier using the 6th ed 40k rules set, didn't do too bad either 2 vp's of winning each time. Profits from nerd hobbies are laughably small even the giant GW only makes a few million each year (http://investor.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/2013-1 4- Press-statement-final-website.pdf) and given their niche nature they are revenue capped by the limited number of people are interested in the product. So given these to facts they have a choice of trying to maintain price controls (to limited success in an age of the internet and EBay) or making products expire (like magic) and introducing new products. GW is in the unenviable position of trying to maintain some pretty broad product lines, introduce new product, in a time of economic downturn (especially in Europe and to a lesser extent England which are GW's #2 and #1 profit centers), while online retailers are eroding the community.

So yeah they are right to try and curb online sales but they probably should be more price responsive to Australia.
 
2014-08-13 02:44:17 PM  

Theaetetus: Tyrosine: Theaetetus: OTOH, the brick and mortar stores frequently provide space for hosting games and tournaments, while the online stores don't have to pay for that square footage (and correspondingly, don't help enhance the community). GW's not entirely wrong, in that regard.

Plus, most hobby stores offer this and if you're willing to pay a premium for this level of service go ahead.

That's the point - those hobby stores want to charge a premium, but are being undercut by the online-only sellers. The alternative, as you note, is renting space for games... but that makes it tougher for the stores to be hangout spots.


Like I said, the Gamesworkshop near me charges for use of the room, so they want it both ways: The higher retail charges to subsidize the "community service" they claim to provide, plus a room rental fee. If your whole argument to justify the higher retail cost is to provide this "community service" then you shouldn't be charging an additional rental fee for the room.

Plus, there's plenty of places to get rooms for free. Most schools (elementary, high, college, university) have a games club, which gets gamers access to classrooms. Our local libraries let people use community rooms to game as to local rec centers. Gamesworkshop isn't exclusive in providing this service, and many other organizations provide it for free.
 
2014-08-13 02:44:43 PM  

Running a-puck: Dear Games Workshop,

I love your Warhammer 40k IP.  I love the silly, over the top grimdarkness of it.  I've enjoyed playing in your IP on the table and on the computer.  Hell, I've even purchased a few of your novels (don't do that, they are terrible).


I like the ones written by Dan Abnett.
 
2014-08-13 02:55:43 PM  

No Such Agency: Tyrosine: independent hobby shop

Part of the problem is that these are not overly common any more, even in major centers.  And they face the paradox that a game needs players for the product to be profitable... and a local player base is hard to get going when the FLGS doesn't stock the game.

I've painted gaming figures for over two decades and I've never got into playing partly because other than WH/40k, its hard to find anyone lical consistently playing anything.  And as mentioned already, WH/40k players are often unpleasant to play with.


My current gaming group formed 22 years ago when I was in my first year at Western. We've had dozens of people come a go as people graduated and moved on, but never had a problem finding new members. Your profile says you're a mol biologist, so chances are you work at or near a university. Try joining the gaming club (most will let non-students join but charge higher membership), there's bound to be a group you're compatible with.

If you're anywhere near London you're welcome to join our group but we tend to do RPGs and boardgames rather than miniature games.
 
2014-08-13 02:57:36 PM  

batlock666: Running a-puck: Dear Games Workshop,

I love your Warhammer 40k IP.  I love the silly, over the top grimdarkness of it.  I've enjoyed playing in your IP on the table and on the computer.  Hell, I've even purchased a few of your novels (don't do that, they are terrible).

I like the ones written by Dan Abnett.


agreed, there are a few authors that really shine, and some of the others are just "meh"
Abnett's Eisenhorn series is fantastic.
 
2014-08-13 02:57:44 PM  
Black Library (GW's fiction publishing wing) actually puts out some really amazingly well written books alongside some admittedly...poor offerings.

Generally speaking, anything written by Dan Abnett or Aaron Dembski-Bowden is well worth reading.

Graham McNeill, John French and Chris Wraight also do excellent work.

I'd recommend the Eisenhorn Trilogy to any fan of well written literature, whether they've heard of 40k or not.
 
2014-08-13 03:03:33 PM  

Chalji: Black Library (GW's fiction publishing wing) actually puts out some really amazingly well written books alongside some admittedly...poor offerings.

Generally speaking, anything written by Dan Abnett or Aaron Dembski-Bowden is well worth reading.

Graham McNeill, John French and Chris Wraight also do excellent work.

I'd recommend the Eisenhorn Trilogy to any fan of well written literature, whether they've heard of 40k or not.


Just wrapped up the third Gaunt's Ghosts Omnibus, and I must agree.

/sure as sure
 
2014-08-13 03:04:24 PM  

Zik-Zak: Chalji: Black Library (GW's fiction publishing wing) actually puts out some really amazingly well written books alongside some admittedly...poor offerings.

Generally speaking, anything written by Dan Abnett or Aaron Dembski-Bowden is well worth reading.

Graham McNeill, John French and Chris Wraight also do excellent work.

I'd recommend the Eisenhorn Trilogy to any fan of well written literature, whether they've heard of 40k or not.

Just wrapped up the third Gaunt's Ghosts Omnibus, and I must agree.

/sure as sure


It's fething great stuff is what it is.
 
2014-08-13 03:04:59 PM  
You mean that game store that doesnt actually sell any games?

I've walked into one of those, and couldn't tell who was working and who was shopping. As far as I can tell, all they sell is paint and figures.
 
2014-08-13 03:12:27 PM  
Truth be told I really enjoy the 40K universe.
But I am at a loss to understand why GW hasn't done much to move their games forward.

I would probably invest time and money in a game that allowed me to play online against others. Maybe if the figures had rfid units in the bases and such.

Let the electronic devices call out the die rolls and phases, but keep the turn based thought processes for strategy.
Same thing with Battletech and some space battles series.
 
2014-08-13 03:13:31 PM  

tillerman35: Online distribution has pretty much killed PC gaming for me.  Everybody wants to be an MMO despite the acknowledged fact that most users are playing in "solo but hey look some asshat made a stupid comment in the /world chat channel" mode.


Are you kidding me? It's the best part. It's like a Fark thread with a game on the side!
 
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