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2014-08-13 01:36:33 AM  
I hope the writing is better than "The Strain".
 
2014-08-13 02:57:20 AM  
www.wordinprogress.com
 
2014-08-13 02:58:32 AM  
Good: Involving Hideo Kojima

I disagree, but okay..
 
2014-08-13 02:58:56 AM  
Norman Reedus would be a good choice.
 
2014-08-13 03:09:20 AM  
He was great in Pandorum?
 
2014-08-13 03:26:12 AM  

Old Man Winter: He was great in Pandorum?


Wut?

*googles*

Well whaddaya know? I guess I saw it before I ever watched Walking Dead. I know I'm probably in the minority, but I liked that movie.
 
2014-08-13 03:30:47 AM  

Wolf892: Hideo puts so much energy and time into those games...


And words. Lots and lots of words.
 
2014-08-13 03:34:18 AM  

fusillade762: I hope the writing is better than "The Strain".


Done in one
 
2014-08-13 03:37:19 AM  
Reboot of the films or of the games?  The films are kind of meh and could use a reboot.

The games, on the other hand, hold up pretty well plot wise.  Gameplay wise they do fall into a lot of the tropes from the 90s and 2000s that we stopped doing in games because they're just plain bad.  I was playing through SH2 with a friend and we couldn't believe some of the crap gameplay things in there, like being unable to open a door until you read the map that tells you to go to this place and open the door.  Then there was the riveting Labyrinth section that all farking games from that time need to have apparently.  Up the ladder, down the ladder, up the ladder, down the ladder.  Hope you like load screens, because you're going to see them a lot.

That aside, the plot and ambiance on those games are great.  Konami seriously missed an opportunity with the Silent Hill "compilation" they released for PS3 and 360, which only consisted of games 2 and 3 and was pretty crap.  A good remake would be nice.
 
2014-08-13 03:38:33 AM  

Mentalpatient87: Wolf892: Hideo puts so much energy and time into those games...

And words. Lots and lots of words.


And cutscenes.  Cutscenes everywhere.

One of the MGS games held a record for worst cutscene to gameplay ratio in a non-point-and-click/interactive movie game.  At least until Hydrophobia came out.
 
2014-08-13 03:55:15 AM  
The early RE/Silent Hill games were fantastic but for the absolutely wretched gameplay. Great ideas, great stories, but fark all, horrible controls and preposterous load time. They were victims of the times. The new remake of RE1 is supposed to feature an updated control scheme, and if this holds true, it'll be the 3rd damned time I've bought that farking game. Cause it's good. The Gamecube REmake was halfway decent, but still had the same nonsense control.

I'd love an updated Eternal Darkness. THAT was a badass horror game.
 
2014-08-13 04:00:04 AM  

robohobo: I'd love an updated Eternal Darkness. THAT was a badass horror game.


That or a sequel.  The gameplay on Eternal Darkness actually holds up pretty well even to today's standards, except in one or two minor areas.  A remake isn't as vital.

A sequel though... oh man I really want a sequel.  Such a damn good game.
 
2014-08-13 04:09:57 AM  

yukichigai: robohobo: I'd love an updated Eternal Darkness. THAT was a badass horror game.

That or a sequel.  The gameplay on Eternal Darkness actually holds up pretty well even to today's standards, except in one or two minor areas.  A remake isn't as vital.

A sequel though... oh man I really want a sequel.  Such a damn good game.


I haven't played it in years, but I remember being fairly creeped out, and my wife hating it's guts because she would dream it after she played. So yeah, a sequel for the PS4  With headphone...umm...what's the word..audio specific to headphones.
 
2014-08-13 04:13:10 AM  
I'm torn. Norman Reedus is awesome and Guillermo Del Toro make me super interested. Hideo Kojima makes me think that it'll be one goddamn 6 hour cutscene that I get to interact with for a few minutes two or three times.
 
2014-08-13 04:15:16 AM  
AND NO GODDAMNED QUICKTIME EVENTS.
 
2014-08-13 05:10:38 AM  
The movie scared/creeped the bejesus out of me. The nurse things in the dark ... ::shivers:: No way could I play a game like that. I dream far too vividly.
 
2014-08-13 05:16:27 AM  

fusillade762: I hope the writing is better than "The Strain".


This, pretty much. The books were OK. I liked the first one and I loved that GDT tried to reinvent vampires, but the book trilogy just sort of took an extremely long time to get where it was going. I ended up abandoning the series after book 2 and didn't really see anything in book 3 that made me want to go back. I may check out the TV series, though.
 
2014-08-13 05:31:32 AM  

yukichigai: robohobo: I'd love an updated Eternal Darkness. THAT was a badass horror game.

That or a sequel.  The gameplay on Eternal Darkness actually holds up pretty well even to today's standards, except in one or two minor areas.  A remake isn't as vital.

A sequel though... oh man I really want a sequel.  Such a damn good game.


I think Silicon Knights still has the rights to that game, and that studio self-destructed like Charlie Sheen rolling around in a mountain of cocaine.  There was a fascinating story (probably on Kotaku) on how the owner ran it into the ground.
 
2014-08-13 05:54:27 AM  

tokyogirl79: fusillade762: I hope the writing is better than "The Strain".

This, pretty much. The books were OK. I liked the first one and I loved that GDT tried to reinvent vampires, but the book trilogy just sort of took an extremely long time to get where it was going. I ended up abandoning the series after book 2 and didn't really see anything in book 3 that made me want to go back. I may check out the TV series, though.


I wouldn't bother. The Onion's AV Club reviews are entertaining though.
 
2014-08-13 06:27:16 AM  

Mentalpatient87: Good: Involving Hideo Kojima

I disagree, but okay..


The dude is all about cinematic storytelling (I dare say more than gaming), which fits the Silent Hill series poifectly. What's wrong with that?
 
2014-08-13 07:09:22 AM  

Wolf892: Mentalpatient87: Wolf892: Hideo puts so much energy and time into those games...

And words. Lots and lots of words.

I chalk that up to the culture. Japanese people tend to believe they are very sophisticated, and expect more from their "plots" than we do sometimes. Hideo needs to sit down with a western script editor to par back some of the overly philosophical and wordy stuff that seeps into his work.

Remember Ghost in the Shell 2? Damn that was a wordy flick.


Yeah.  Sophisticated.  Like the running gags about diarrhea in MGS4.

The games really aren't all that great since the PSOne.  The writing and the gameplay always leave me feeling the games could have been a lot more had someone had the nerve to tell Kojima that he's gone off the rails.

It's not gone down in flames like the Gran Turismo series, they are still well made games at least.  Just really overhyped by fanboys.
 
2014-08-13 07:31:34 AM  
I hadn't played the silent hill games at all, but I watched the first movie and thought it was pretty creepy and not too bad at all.
 
2014-08-13 07:32:34 AM  
I could care less about the hardware differences between PS3 and PS4. It's games like this coming out that will eventually force me to get a next gen system. Still, I am going to hold out a long time.
 
2014-08-13 07:48:04 AM  

You Are All Sheep: I hadn't played the silent hill games at all, but I watched the first movie and thought it was pretty creepy and not too bad at all.


As a 12 year old with a big imagination, the first game was terrifying to play in the dark.

I chalk it up to the jewel case cover not looking scary so my dad gave me the ok to buy it. If google had been around I'm sure he would've looked it up but alas, I was destined to try to fall asleep staring at my bedroom door and window making sure no faceless nurses or monkeyapethings were trying to break in.

It also re-enforces my theory that kids like to be terrified.
 
2014-08-13 08:22:31 AM  

fusillade762: tokyogirl79: fusillade762: I hope the writing is better than "The Strain".

This, pretty much. The books were OK. I liked the first one and I loved that GDT tried to reinvent vampires, but the book trilogy just sort of took an extremely long time to get where it was going. I ended up abandoning the series after book 2 and didn't really see anything in book 3 that made me want to go back. I may check out the TV series, though.

I wouldn't bother. The Onion's AV Club reviews are entertaining though.


I read all of book one when I bought it at a thrift shop for a dollar.  When I see book two for a dollar, I'll buy it.  Otherwise, nope.
 
2014-08-13 08:47:29 AM  
The movie deserves more love. Oh
 
2014-08-13 08:47:45 AM  
I played the "teaser" for it last night and Holy Hell, that was of the creepiest, scariest games I've ever played. It actually made me jump (the only other game to ever do so was the original RE with the digs jumping through the window).. I can't wait!
 
2014-08-13 08:59:01 AM  

yukichigai: Mentalpatient87: Wolf892: Hideo puts so much energy and time into those games...

And words. Lots and lots of words.

And cutscenes.  Cutscenes everywhere.

One of the MGS games held a record for worst cutscene to gameplay ratio in a non-point-and-click/interactive movie game.  At least until Hydrophobia came out.


I like cut scenes. I like MGS. I enjoy playing a movie.
It is cool if you don't, but come on.

There is no shortage of low story games for you to play. Don't begrudge others their genre/style.
 
2014-08-13 09:00:32 AM  
So Playstation exclusive?

:(
 
2014-08-13 09:01:28 AM  

robohobo: The early RE/Silent Hill games were fantastic but for the absolutely wretched gameplay. Great ideas, great stories, but fark all, horrible controls and preposterous load time. They were victims of the times. The new remake of RE1 is supposed to feature an updated control scheme, and if this holds true, it'll be the 3rd damned time I've bought that farking game. Cause it's good. The Gamecube REmake was halfway decent, but still had the same nonsense control.

I'd love an updated Eternal Darkness. THAT was a badass horror game.


Rule of Rose
 
2014-08-13 09:09:54 AM  

Smackledorfer: yukichigai: Mentalpatient87: Wolf892: Hideo puts so much energy and time into those games...

And words. Lots and lots of words.

And cutscenes.  Cutscenes everywhere.

One of the MGS games held a record for worst cutscene to gameplay ratio in a non-point-and-click/interactive movie game.  At least until Hydrophobia came out.

I like cut scenes. I like MGS. I enjoy playing a movie.
It is cool if you don't, but come on.

There is no shortage of low story games for you to play. Don't begrudge others their genre/style.


There's nothing wrong with cutscenes per se, but good god does Kojima put a lot of long ones in the later games in the MGS series, and I say this as a big fan of the MGS series. What Kojima needs to do is stop screwing around and direct a goddamn MGS movie already.
 
2014-08-13 09:18:06 AM  
B-B-But they can't! Downtown Brantford Ontario (the film location) has been torn down & turned into parkland.
 
2014-08-13 09:42:47 AM  
*gasp* A reboot of those god awful movies with some real talent instead of the sexist drivel we got from Gans and Avery that also gutted the story of anything meaningful? *Reads article* Oh. A reboot of the games. Well, that's cool, I guess.
 
2014-08-13 09:45:58 AM  

MutantMotherMouse: The movie scared/creeped the bejesus out of me. The nurse things in the dark ... ::shivers:: No way could I play a game like that. I dream far too vividly.


Yeah. That game scared my ball hairs straight out. Flat out bald scro terror. I also was smoking a lot of the dope back then.
 
2014-08-13 09:49:56 AM  

Wolf892: thecpt: The movie deserves more love. Oh

I loved the first movie. I have no idea how they shiat the bed so badly with the second one.


It's surprisingly good and notable for breaking the Sean bean rule
 
2014-08-13 09:53:41 AM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: What Kojima needs to do is stop screwing around and direct a goddamn MGS movie already.


I'd watch the hell out of Snake Eater movie
 
2014-08-13 10:03:52 AM  

fusillade762: I hope the writing is better than "The Strain".


Couldn't agree more.  The effects are great, but the writing is just bland.
 
2014-08-13 10:09:54 AM  

Smackledorfer: I like cut scenes. I like MGS. I enjoy playing a movie.
It is cool if you don't, but come on.

There is no shortage of low story games for you to play. Don't begrudge others their genre/style.


It isn't just the fact that cut scenes are too long, it's also because the plot is so ridiculously convoluted simply for the sake of it.  Every last detail is expounded upon over and over to the point where you'd wish there wasn't an explanation at all.  The plot devices are contrived and sometimes extremely childish.

Characters ridiculously overreact to the point where it's embarrassing to watch.  Every emotional moment is drawn out to the point that it not only loses impact, it makes you dislike the character.

I won't begrudge you your genre of game, but Deus Ex: Human Revolution absolutely stomped the MGS series in every way, despite the fact that Square Enix shoved the game out the door before the developers had finished, effectively neutering the storyline in the worst way possible.
 
2014-08-13 10:20:22 AM  

Glitchwerks: Smackledorfer: I like cut scenes. I like MGS. I enjoy playing a movie.
It is cool if you don't, but come on.

There is no shortage of low story games for you to play. Don't begrudge others their genre/style.

It isn't just the fact that cut scenes are too long, it's also because the plot is so ridiculously convoluted simply for the sake of it.  Every last detail is expounded upon over and over to the point where you'd wish there wasn't an explanation at all.  The plot devices are contrived and sometimes extremely childish.

Characters ridiculously overreact to the point where it's embarrassing to watch.  Every emotional moment is drawn out to the point that it not only loses impact, it makes you dislike the character.

I won't begrudge you your genre of game, but Deus Ex: Human Revolution absolutely stomped the MGS series in every way, despite the fact that Square Enix shoved the game out the door before the developers had finished, effectively neutering the storyline in the worst way possible.


I'll give you the silly plot convolution bit, that was something that started bugging me a bit with MGS 2 and 4. MGS 3 wasn't as bad with it, and is my favorite of the MGS games. I wouldn't say DX:HR stomped the MGS series, but it was a damned good game in the same genre. I kinda wish they'd do more games like that in the DX game world.
 
2014-08-13 10:27:31 AM  

Wolf892: thecpt: The movie deserves more love. Oh

I loved the first movie. I have no idea how they shiat the bed so badly with the second one.


Because they tried to do a direct sequel. They SHOULD have made Silent Hill 2 into a movie-but given that they changed the nature of Pyramid Head for the movies, they'd have to re-write some pretty damn key plot points for an SH2 movie. (God I loved that revelation.)
 
2014-08-13 10:32:10 AM  

Wolf892: I've got the sickest boner right now...

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I'd hit that.

With a pipe.

/if you know what I mean.
 
2014-08-13 10:35:48 AM  

fusillade762: I hope the writing is better than "The Strain".


Book or TV show?  Book was co-written by Chuck Hogan so you shouldn't have to worry.  Except this is going to be a joint venture with Kojima so it might be an awesome mess.

Sgt Otter: yukichigai: robohobo: I'd love an updated Eternal Darkness. THAT was a badass horror game.

That or a sequel.  The gameplay on Eternal Darkness actually holds up pretty well even to today's standards, except in one or two minor areas.  A remake isn't as vital.

A sequel though... oh man I really want a sequel.  Such a damn good game.

I think Silicon Knights still has the rights to that game, and that studio self-destructed like Charlie Sheen rolling around in a mountain of cocaine.  There was a fascinating story (probably on Kotaku) on how the owner ran it into the ground.

 Nintendo I believe owns the Eternal Darkness IP rights.
 
2014-08-13 10:43:00 AM  
So I saw the trailer last night (Silent Hill fan, here. Both game and movie).

At the end, it just says this is for a teaser promo, and has no bearing on the final game (in small letters at the bottom).

So, I don't know.  Do I get excited now?

/This might tip the hand into buying a P4
 
2014-08-13 11:26:12 AM  
 

Jizz Master Zero: I'm torn. Norman Reedus is awesome and Guillermo Del Toro make me super interested. Hideo Kojima makes me think that it'll be one goddamn 6 hour cutscene that I get to interact with for a few minutes two or three times.


Yes, full of terrible dialogue.

Silent HIll 1 and 2 were probably the only games that ever really creeped me out.
 
2014-08-13 11:50:12 AM  

robohobo: AND NO GODDAMNED QUICKTIME EVENTS.


OK but were gonna have to insist on one boulder punching scene.
 
2014-08-13 11:50:24 AM  
Games that just don't get the love they should.

Clock tower series
Fatal Frame series
 
2014-08-13 12:17:07 PM  

nocturnal001: Silent HIll 1 and 2 were probably the only games that ever really creeped me out.


Silent Hill 3 had potential ... until the ending.  I got the "good" ending, I suppose, where the main character wins the day, and then giggles and says something like "well, all in a day's work! tee-hee!"  It completely ruined the vibe of the game.  Everything after 3 got progressively worse, with The Room having some potential.
 
2014-08-13 12:23:00 PM  
Other PSX games that need a movie/reboot/sequel:

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2014-08-13 12:25:34 PM  
Silent Hill: Shattered Memories

Played it on the Wii.

Not a bad game overall, but not scary and didn't have the feel of fitting with the original 1-2 games..

If anything, the need to shake the remote like some shake a baby was just getting more and more annoying as the game went on.

Very short game too.
 
2014-08-13 12:49:15 PM  

oldfarthenry: B-B-But they can't! Downtown Brantford Ontario (the film location) has been torn down & turned into parkland.


writing this from Brantford now.  Don't worry there's more destitution here...
 
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