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2014-08-13 03:20:00 AM  
To Afghan men, nothing is more shameful. A fart is proof that a man cannot control any of his apparatus below the belt. The man who farts is thus not a man at all. He cannot be taken seriously, nor can any of his ideas or promises or plans.

Do Afghan women still think farts are funny?
 
2014-08-13 04:31:54 AM  
Are corks part of their uniform then?
 
2014-08-13 04:40:39 AM  

fusillade762: A fart is proof that a man cannot control any of his apparatus below the belt.


But what if he's farting  a waltz?
 
2014-08-13 04:44:21 AM  
i would flat out win any farting contest. i have been proclaimed as the worlds most flatulent man. a little bit of potato salad with egg just fuels the fire and and adds a fragrant aroma that cannot be believed until experienced. best released in a hot car on a long trip for maximum effect.

/i let rip on the subway as often as possible. everyone needs a hobby
 
2014-08-13 04:53:26 AM  
This guy doesn't sound biased at all.
 
2014-08-13 04:57:46 AM  

Summoner101: This guy doesn't sound biased at all.


Congratulations! You read the "byline!" You get a cookie. You get a steak dinner if you can read the whole article!
 
2014-08-13 05:01:59 AM  

Summoner101: This guy doesn't sound biased at all.


Actually it's a woman, and a senior citizen as well.  A lot of her gripes would not likely come from a young man.  Nice to see a novel perspective.
 
2014-08-13 05:03:09 AM  

Summoner101: This guy doesn't sound biased at all.


Woman, and are you surprised? It is Alternet. They are kinda like a left-wing Fox News. They have an agenda that they wish to push and do so actively in their reporting/editorials. Like Fox, they are a place you go to when you have a given narrative you wish to hear, not a place to try and get unbiased news.
 
2014-08-13 05:11:25 AM  

sycraft: Summoner101: This guy doesn't sound biased at all.

Woman, and are you surprised? It is Alternet. They are kinda like a left-wing Fox News. They have an agenda that they wish to push and do so actively in their reporting/editorials. Like Fox, they are a place you go to when you have a given narrative you wish to hear, not a place to try and get unbiased news.


saying that they are "like fox" would imply that they intentionally fabricate data and lie to support their agenda.
 
2014-08-13 05:25:00 AM  
FTFA: Don't get me wrong.  I'm not making a case for filthy trenches.  But why should war be gussied up like home?  If war were undisguisedly as nasty and brutish as it truly is, it might also tend to be short.  Soldiers freed from illusions might mutiny, as many did in Vietnam, or desert and go home.  But this modern, cushier kind of pseudo-war is different.

Yes, thousands of volunteer soldiers (many of whom have those EXACT conditions you're wishing for at the more remote outposts) are going to risk a Dishonorable Discharge or a lifetime as a fugitive if they don't get soft-serve ice cream and air conditioning.

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/Got kicked off a FOB to a spartan Combat Outpost with no running water.  It was actually kind of fun.  You didn't have support staff Sergeant Majors and First Sergeants with nothing better to do other than riding your asses about haircuts, shaving, rolled sleeves, pin-up girls, reflective belts, or other stupid shiat.
 
2014-08-13 05:31:52 AM  

wedun: sycraft: Summoner101: This guy doesn't sound biased at all.

Woman, and are you surprised? It is Alternet. They are kinda like a left-wing Fox News. They have an agenda that they wish to push and do so actively in their reporting/editorials. Like Fox, they are a place you go to when you have a given narrative you wish to hear, not a place to try and get unbiased news.

saying that they are "like fox" would imply that they intentionally fabricate data and lie to support their agenda.


Alternet is more into bloviating than fabricating. Even when I agree with the headline, I can rarely make it through the 6 pages of Proust-like prose before the author gets to the point.
 
2014-08-13 05:32:34 AM  
Okay, five paragraphs in; she still hasn't come close to getting to the point. Think I'll just skip this one.
 
2014-08-13 05:41:15 AM  

fusillade762: To Afghan men, nothing is more shameful. A fart is proof that a man cannot control any of his apparatus below the belt. The man who farts is thus not a man at all. He cannot be taken seriously, nor can any of his ideas or promises or plans.

Do Afghan women still think farts are funny?



I thought the entire culture was based around men not being able to control anything below the belt.
 
2014-08-13 05:43:00 AM  

EraserDH: Summoner101: This guy doesn't sound biased at all.

Congratulations! You read the "byline!" You get a cookie. You get a steak dinner if you can read the whole article!


Where do I collect my steak dinner?
Does that include sides?
 
2014-08-13 05:53:40 AM  
6 pages? No thanks.
 
2014-08-13 05:56:39 AM  
While an interesting article, it basically amounts to "my cousin told me.....".

The interpreters (who are either American born or locals, I couldn't quite tell) would confide in her about the American's poor manners, but.....why were the confiding in her? I don't really understand how she could sort of waltz into this situation and get all these "exclusive" tidbits.....do people just show up to war zones and become everyone's trusted confidante in a couple of days?
 
2014-08-13 05:56:53 AM  
These are currently replacing the older MRAPs and deadly low-slung Humvees.  The Humvees are, in turn, being passed off to the Afghan National Army, whose soldiers are more expendable than ours.  (You see what I mean about entitlement.)

You know the Afghan government could protect their troops too.
 
2014-08-13 06:25:39 AM  
Sure...Muslim Afghans are going to be so open to a woman...
 
2014-08-13 06:39:03 AM  

EraserDH: Summoner101: This guy doesn't sound biased at all.

Congratulations! You read the "byline!" You get a cookie. You get a steak dinner if you can read the whole article!


In my defense, I'm from the West and we use "guy" and "guys" androgynously.
 
2014-08-13 06:42:38 AM  

ModernLuddite: While an interesting article, it basically amounts to "my cousin told me.....".

The interpreters (who are either American born or locals, I couldn't quite tell) would confide in her about the American's poor manners, but.....why were the confiding in her? I don't really understand how she could sort of waltz into this situation and get all these "exclusive" tidbits.....do people just show up to war zones and become everyone's trusted confidante in a couple of days?



From the accounts I've seen of Ann Jones, despite descriptions of her writing as 'telling the truth' of war and in so doing in some way 'truly supporting the troops,' she actually holds most in contempt, and their stories are simply stepping stones upon which she pursues her true motivation - which is little more than "America bad, world bad because of America, I'm one of the 'good' Americans who is smart and moral enough to recognize it and say so."

I'm all for critique and harsh criticism of America's foreign policy, and scrutiny of its fark ups, but her kind of "journalism" is a blight that does a disservice to everyone.  (Except her, and those who think in her specific way.)
 
2014-08-13 06:42:44 AM  

ModernLuddite: While an interesting article, it basically amounts to "my cousin told me.....".

The interpreters (who are either American born or locals, I couldn't quite tell) would confide in her about the American's poor manners, but.....why were the confiding in her? I don't really understand how she could sort of waltz into this situation and get all these "exclusive" tidbits.....do people just show up to war zones and become everyone's trusted confidante in a couple of days?


As I read it, the interpreters were hoping to use her to get the word out on that particular tidbit because those antics were making their jobs more difficult/embarassing. It isn't something that they were telling her in confidence. (Alternatively it is arguably plausible that they were farking with her. "Oh, the farting! You would not believe the farting!")

And she "just showed up" to the US forces, but has apparently spent a LOT of time with the locals.

/she sounds unbearable
 
2014-08-13 06:44:14 AM  

some_beer_drinker: i would flat out win any farting contest. i have been proclaimed as the worlds most flatulent man. a little bit of potato salad with egg just fuels the fire and and adds a fragrant aroma that cannot be believed until experienced. best released in a hot car on a long trip for maximum effect.

/i let rip on the subway as often as possible. everyone needs a hobby


The only time I've ever come close to being banished to the couch was Civil War Reenactment Chili Night, which is sort of misleading because the five bowls of chili was only half of the recipe which led to my nocturnal emissions displacing all the oxygen in the room. A friend also made chicken pot pie for dinner, which called for half a jar of Duke's mayonnaise in the crust.

But about three in the morning, my farts were so bad I woke myself up. I set a fan in the window, but the air molecules outside refused to participate.
 
2014-08-13 06:53:59 AM  
"I'm going all the way across the world and into a war zone to pen a tea-cozy caturday piece about all the frivolous chips on my shoulder!"

Pulitzer, baby.
 
2014-08-13 06:55:12 AM  

Sgt Otter: FTFA: Don't get me wrong.  I'm not making a case for filthy trenches.  But why should war be gussied up like home?  If war were undisguisedly as nasty and brutish as it truly is, it might also tend to be short.  Soldiers freed from illusions might mutiny, as many did in Vietnam, or desert and go home.  But this modern, cushier kind of pseudo-war is different.

Yes, thousands of volunteer soldiers (many of whom have those EXACT conditions you're wishing for at the more remote outposts) are going to risk a Dishonorable Discharge or a lifetime as a fugitive if they don't get soft-serve ice cream and air conditioning.

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/Got kicked off a FOB to a spartan Combat Outpost with no running water.  It was actually kind of fun.  You didn't have support staff Sergeant Majors and First Sergeants with nothing better to do other than riding your asses about haircuts, shaving, rolled sleeves, pin-up girls, reflective belts, or other stupid shiat.


Yeah, for some reason, in both 2001 and 2003 we didn't have any of the amenities she was talking about, and none of us mutinied.  She spent her time on FOBs.  REMFs have always had it easier, especially once long term facilities have been set up.  You look at pictures and movies from Vietnam, and the US troops assigned to places like Saigon were walking around in their khaki service uniforms unarmed.  It didn't change the fact that out in the bush grunts were living in muddy holes, fighting off VC and hordes of mosquitoes in monsoon rains.  If this chick did nothing much more than hang out at KAF, or one of the larger FOBs like Camp Leatherneck (and I'll bet that's what she did), she didn't really get a full picture of the war.
 
2014-08-13 07:17:09 AM  

thamike: "I'm going all the way across the world and into a war zone to pen a tea-cozy caturday piece about all the frivolous chips on my shoulder!"

Pulitzer, baby.


He probably tried to convert them all into vegans too.

/ow my butt hurts
 
2014-08-13 07:17:16 AM  
What is it with AlterNet that I can never use Page Down? That is the most annoying damned thing. Everyone's not on a tablet yet. Some people still waste time on the internet on a desktop at work ya know. Geesh.
 
2014-08-13 07:19:27 AM  

abhorrent1: thamike: "I'm going all the way across the world and into a war zone to pen a tea-cozy caturday piece about all the frivolous chips on my shoulder!"

Pulitzer, baby.

He probably tried to convert them all into vegans too.

/ow my butt hurts


How's your head?
 
2014-08-13 07:21:04 AM  

Sgt Otter: Got kicked off a FOB to a spartan Combat Outpost with no running water.  It was actually kind of fun.  You didn't have support staff Sergeant Majors and First Sergeants with nothing better to do other than riding your asses about haircuts, shaving, rolled sleeves, pin-up girls, reflective belts, or other stupid shiat.


After 6 months at Adder, I was so glad to get to our little JSS north of Nasiriyah for this very reason. So relaxed from the normal military Mickey Mouse BS. It was as comfy as we could make it and it was home. I even miss it sometimes.

/Named it JSS Jenkins after a guy in our platoon who was killed in Baghdad in 8/12/06.
//BN tried to get us to change it but we always sent reports back as Jenkins.
///KAJ
 
2014-08-13 07:21:16 AM  

Hermione_Granger: What is it with AlterNet that I can never use Page Down? That is the most annoying damned thing. Everyone's not on a tablet yet. Some people still waste time on the internet on a desktop at work ya know. Geesh.


Something tells me that Alternet being a step ahead of you isn't the problem here.
 
2014-08-13 07:30:55 AM  

ModernLuddite: While an interesting article, it basically amounts to "my cousin told me.....".

The interpreters (who are either American born or locals, I couldn't quite tell) would confide in her about the American's poor manners, but.....why were the confiding in her? I don't really understand how she could sort of waltz into this situation and get all these "exclusive" tidbits.....do people just show up to war zones and become everyone's trusted confidante in a couple of days?


Lots of people will tell complete strangers things they won't tell their bosses.  Remember who signs the paychecks.
 
2014-08-13 07:33:00 AM  

devildog123: Sgt Otter: FTFA: Don't get me wrong.  I'm not making a case for filthy trenches.  But why should war be gussied up like home?  If war were undisguisedly as nasty and brutish as it truly is, it might also tend to be short.  Soldiers freed from illusions might mutiny, as many did in Vietnam, or desert and go home.  But this modern, cushier kind of pseudo-war is different.

Yes, thousands of volunteer soldiers (many of whom have those EXACT conditions you're wishing for at the more remote outposts) are going to risk a Dishonorable Discharge or a lifetime as a fugitive if they don't get soft-serve ice cream and air conditioning.

[cdn01.cdnwp.celebuzz.com image 245x285]

/Got kicked off a FOB to a spartan Combat Outpost with no running water.  It was actually kind of fun.  You didn't have support staff Sergeant Majors and First Sergeants with nothing better to do other than riding your asses about haircuts, shaving, rolled sleeves, pin-up girls, reflective belts, or other stupid shiat.

Yeah, for some reason, in both 2001 and 2003 we didn't have any of the amenities she was talking about, and none of us mutinied.  She spent her time on FOBs.  REMFs have always had it easier, especially once long term facilities have been set up.  You look at pictures and movies from Vietnam, and the US troops assigned to places like Saigon were walking around in their khaki service uniforms unarmed.  It didn't change the fact that out in the bush grunts were living in muddy holes, fighting off VC and hordes of mosquitoes in monsoon rains.  If this chick did nothing much more than hang out at KAF, or one of the larger FOBs like Camp Leatherneck (and I'll bet that's what she did), she didn't really get a full picture of the war.


Nobody gets a full picture of ANY war, including grunts on the frontline...that's been true since Caesar took Alesia.
 
2014-08-13 07:37:41 AM  

sandreckoner: ModernLuddite: While an interesting article, it basically amounts to "my cousin told me.....".

The interpreters (who are either American born or locals, I couldn't quite tell) would confide in her about the American's poor manners, but.....why were the confiding in her? I don't really understand how she could sort of waltz into this situation and get all these "exclusive" tidbits.....do people just show up to war zones and become everyone's trusted confidante in a couple of days?


From the accounts I've seen of Ann Jones, despite descriptions of her writing as 'telling the truth' of war and in so doing in some way 'truly supporting the troops,' she actually holds most in contempt, and their stories are simply stepping stones upon which she pursues her true motivation - which is little more than "America bad, world bad because of America, I'm one of the 'good' Americans who is smart and moral enough to recognize it and say so."

I'm all for critique and harsh criticism of America's foreign policy, and scrutiny of its fark ups, but her kind of "journalism" is a blight that does a disservice to everyone.  (Except her, and those who think in her specific way.)


Yeah, she should jump on the "all the troops are saints, not a single taxpayer dollar is being wasted, and things are going well in Afghanistan" bandwagon everyone else is on.

Remind me how many years we've been there again?  Longer than WWI and WWII combined at this point?

Place must be a paradise by now :)
 
2014-08-13 07:38:22 AM  

gunsmack: Okay, five paragraphs in; she still hasn't come close to getting to the point. Think I'll just skip this one.


FTA:  "Since the U.S. military adopted COIN to "protect the populace," civilian casualties have gone up 23%"

There ya go.
 
2014-08-13 07:41:22 AM  

T-Servo: wedun: sycraft: Summoner101: This guy doesn't sound biased at all.

Woman, and are you surprised? It is Alternet. They are kinda like a left-wing Fox News. They have an agenda that they wish to push and do so actively in their reporting/editorials. Like Fox, they are a place you go to when you have a given narrative you wish to hear, not a place to try and get unbiased news.

saying that they are "like fox" would imply that they intentionally fabricate data and lie to support their agenda.

Alternet is more into bloviating than fabricating. Even when I agree with the headline, I can rarely make it through the 6 pages of Proust-like prose before the author gets to the point.


I thought I was the only one. Good god what muck to wade through. She really comes off as a tedious hack with unresolved issues.
 
2014-08-13 07:43:22 AM  
TFA writer sounds like what a lot of Monterey residents would say about us DLI students.
 
2014-08-13 07:45:27 AM  

PunGent: Yeah, she should jump on the "all the troops are saints, not a single taxpayer dollar is being wasted, and things are going well in Afghanistan" bandwagon everyone else is on.

Remind me how many years we've been there again? Longer than WWI and WWII combined at this point?

Place must be a paradise by now :)


I'm a flaming commie liberal and I thought her piece was a load of crap. She doesn't understand thing 1 about the military and most of all, she doesn't want to know. She wants to confirm her biases. There are many informed criticisms of the US military, and hers isn't one.
 
2014-08-13 07:48:16 AM  

verbaltoxin: TFA writer sounds like what a lot of Monterey residents would say about us DLI students.


I'd give large quantities of money Compagno's sandwich right now.
 
2014-08-13 07:50:39 AM  

devildog123: verbaltoxin: TFA writer sounds like what a lot of Monterey residents would say about us DLI students.

I'd give large quantities of money Compagno's sandwich right now.


Oh gawd, Compagno's. I miss them so much.
 
2014-08-13 07:52:06 AM  

verbaltoxin: PunGent: Yeah, she should jump on the "all the troops are saints, not a single taxpayer dollar is being wasted, and things are going well in Afghanistan" bandwagon everyone else is on.

Remind me how many years we've been there again? Longer than WWI and WWII combined at this point?

Place must be a paradise by now :)

I'm a flaming commie liberal and I thought her piece was a load of crap. She doesn't understand thing 1 about the military and most of all, she doesn't want to know. She wants to confirm her biases. There are many informed criticisms of the US military, and hers isn't one.


It didn't strike me that way at all, obviously.  Got a link to what you consider an "informed criticism" of the current Afghanistan situation?
 
2014-08-13 07:55:27 AM  

PunGent: verbaltoxin: PunGent: Yeah, she should jump on the "all the troops are saints, not a single taxpayer dollar is being wasted, and things are going well in Afghanistan" bandwagon everyone else is on.

Remind me how many years we've been there again? Longer than WWI and WWII combined at this point?

Place must be a paradise by now :)

I'm a flaming commie liberal and I thought her piece was a load of crap. She doesn't understand thing 1 about the military and most of all, she doesn't want to know. She wants to confirm her biases. There are many informed criticisms of the US military, and hers isn't one.

It didn't strike me that way at all, obviously.  Got a link to what you consider an "informed criticism" of the current Afghanistan situation?


I didn't realize you couldn't use Google.
 
2014-08-13 07:58:34 AM  

devildog123: verbaltoxin: TFA writer sounds like what a lot of Monterey residents would say about us DLI students.

I'd give large quantities of money for aCompagno's sandwich right now.


FTFM
 
2014-08-13 08:02:59 AM  
 
2014-08-13 08:12:11 AM  
You want to be anti-war and biatch that the US should never help (wether they want our help or not) another country, fine.

But this coont is actualy complaining that soldiers try to make the place they are living, well, livable. I bet she wasn't complaning that *she* had A/C for her rack. She how she likes it when there is no A/C and it's 125 degrees in the shade, and you are sitting in ball stew. It's nice to come back from a patrol and have some place cool to sit down (Well, not me, I was a commo REMF. It was always cool. Unless we had to do a PMCS or the generators got serviced. It kinda sucked when the A/C was down for 30 minutes)

Farking excuse us, for trying to make the place we are going to be staying for a year somewhat nice. Maybe we should removed the tents, water the whole place down and wallow in the muck since she thinks that's what we deserve. And when you are stuck somewhere with shiat else to do you look for anything to do to pass time. My group got ahold of a baseball bat which we used to see who could hit rocks the furthest. I passed the time by gathering dried reeds from the nearby pond, dumping JP-8 over them and setting them on fire. (We were a little out of the way) or taking a humvee out muddin' when it rained and turned the dust into a wet clay mess. (Apparently Sergeant Majors do not like it when they spot someone taking the inititive to do inclimate weather driving training. Apparently you're not supposed to be smiling when training, so that's how they know it's not proper). So some guys have a farting contest because they are farking bored. So what?

The Humvees are, in turn, being passed off to the Afghan National Army, whose soldiers are more expendable than ours.  (You see what I mean about entitlement.)

It's entitlement to give them free shiat that is far better than the rusted out trucks they drive?

we Americans incessantly invent things to make ourselves more "secure." Since no one can ever be secure, least of all in war, every new development is bound to prove insufficient and almost guaranteed to create new problems. Still, Americans feel entitled to safety.

What. The. Fark? What the shiat is wrong with this biatch? You're Goddamn right I feel entitled to whatever I can do to make it more likely to come home alive. And because an MRAP might not protect you in the highly unlikely event the taliban gets ahold of depleted uranium tank shells, we shouldn't use them? Shouldn't use body armor since they don't protect from napalm? Maybe we should just walk about in our underwear.

Ugh, that's about as much of this as I can read.
 
2014-08-13 08:20:41 AM  
If you think AlterNet doesn't fabricate and exaggerate, you should see their shiat on GMOs. Fox of the left is if anything too kind.
 
2014-08-13 08:25:59 AM  

verbaltoxin: PunGent: verbaltoxin: PunGent: Yeah, she should jump on the "all the troops are saints, not a single taxpayer dollar is being wasted, and things are going well in Afghanistan" bandwagon everyone else is on.

Remind me how many years we've been there again? Longer than WWI and WWII combined at this point?

Place must be a paradise by now :)

I'm a flaming commie liberal and I thought her piece was a load of crap. She doesn't understand thing 1 about the military and most of all, she doesn't want to know. She wants to confirm her biases. There are many informed criticisms of the US military, and hers isn't one.

It didn't strike me that way at all, obviously.  Got a link to what you consider an "informed criticism" of the current Afghanistan situation?

I didn't realize you couldn't use Google.


I can.  I'm trying to figure out what YOU consider a non-biased, yet cogent, criticism of US involvement in Afghanistan.  They're farking thin on the ground, imho.  You dogpiled on this one, burden's on you to provide something better.

Unless you were just trolling, then...well done, I guess.
 
2014-08-13 08:28:33 AM  

thamike: PunGent: Got a link to what you consider an "informed criticism" of the current Afghanistan situation?

Here:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/01/afghanistan20080 1

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/10/afghanistan20081 0

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/12/battle-of-wanat- 20 1112

http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21600702-americas-potty- po ppy-policy-ten-billion-wasted

http://www.economist.com/news/asia/21606881-losing-candidate-cries-f ou l-and-country-teeters-stuffed

http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2014/05/feuding-afghanistan

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/07/09/after-america-2


You can get up off your ass and look for more, if you are as curious about the subject as you imply.


Thanks for the Vanity Fair links; I've read the rest, though.  None of them undermine the linked article.
 
2014-08-13 08:38:11 AM  

bekovich: Are corks part of their uniform then?


Sure.  That's a cork. To prevent farting.  Not a certain kind of plug.  Whatever helps you sleep at night, poopsie.
 
2014-08-13 08:40:21 AM  
Confirmation bias and poor knowledge of the subject result in a poorly written piece.
 
2014-08-13 08:41:08 AM  

MythDragon: You want to be anti-war and biatch that the US should never help (wether they want our help or not) another country, fine.

But this coont is actualy complaining that soldiers try to make the place they are living, well, livable. I bet she wasn't complaning that *she* had A/C for her rack.


Miss the part in the article where she said her rack was OVER-air conditioned, and she had to stuff the vents?

She how she likes it when there is no A/C and it's 125 degrees in the shade, and you are sitting in ball stew. It's nice to come back from a patrol and have some place cool to sit down (Well, not me, I was a commo REMF. It was always cool. Unless we had to do a PMCS or the generators got serviced. It kinda sucked when the A/C was down for 30 minutes)

Farking excuse us, for trying to make the place we are going to be staying for a year somewhat nice.


With the military paying $400 a gallon for fuel, maybe we should bring those guys home, and make them comfortable here.  Because despite best intentions and heroic efforts and billions of dollars, Afghanistan doesn't seem to have improved all that much in the last decade.

Maybe we should removed the tents, water the whole place down and wallow in the muck since she thinks that's what we deserve.

I think you missed the point.

And when you are stuck somewhere with shiat else to do you look for anything to do to pass time. My group got ahold of a baseball bat which we used to see who could hit rocks the furthest. I passed the time by gathering dried reeds from the nearby pond, dumping JP-8 over them and setting them on fire. (We were a little out of the way) or taking a humvee out muddin' when it rained and turned the dust into a wet clay mess. (Apparently Sergeant Majors do not like it when they spot someone taking the inititive to do inclimate weather driving training. Apparently you're not supposed to be smiling when training, so that's how they know it's not proper). So some guys have a farting contest because they are farking bored. So what?

Her point was about the culture clash.  You're not going to try to argue we're winning hearts and minds over there, are you?

The Humvees are, in turn, being passed off to the Afghan National Army, whose soldiers are more expendable than ours.  (You see what I mean about entitlement.)

It's entitlement to give them free shiat that is far better than the rusted out trucks they drive?


Yes, it is...if you're treating your native allies as second-class soldiers, which is exactly what we did in 'Nam.  Remember how well that worked out?

Sure, lots of them ARE second-class soldiers, but that's not really the point, is it?  If you're going the hearts'n'minds route (which I personally think is idiotic, but here we are), you have to go whole-hog.

We aren't.

Afa comfort, again, it's the same point from Vietnam...you can disagree with it, but it's not necessarily invalid.

War isn't SUPPOSED to be comfortable.  Turn off the AC in the rear-area bases, make the O-4 and above crowd actually get out and walk around.  Maybe even, heaven forbid, make contact with the enemy.  (and that one general getting shot by a uniformed Afghani last week doesn't count as "making contact" since he was in his farking office, as far as I can tell)

They'll either win the thing, or agitate to come home.

No more of this half-assed nation building...it's more expensive and wasteful than actual war.
 
2014-08-13 08:47:44 AM  

chetbango: Confirmation bias and poor knowledge of the subject result in a poorly written piece.


What facts did she get wrong?

Are things, in fact, going real well over there?

Because that would be nice, if it were true.
 
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