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(CNBC)   Government workers are fat, lazy bums that abuse work from home allowances, therefore Marissa Mayer is a genius and there's a penguin in your telly   (cnbc.com) divider line 63
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2014-08-12 11:46:13 AM  
"Throw in the guaranteed pension and rock-solid job security you get in a federal job, and you can see why that line of work attracts the exact opposite of the kind of risk-taking, uber-independent worker you find at many cutting edge tech sector companies."

Paid shill-like typing detected.
 
2014-08-12 12:28:55 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: "Throw in the guaranteed pension and rock-solid job security you get in a federal job, and you can see why that line of work attracts the exact opposite of the kind of risk-taking, uber-independent worker you find at many cutting edge tech sector companies."

Paid shill-like typing detected.



You won't find one of those go-getters in a cushy government job.
 
2014-08-12 12:42:53 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: "Throw in the guaranteed pension and rock-solid job security you get in a federal job, and you can see why that line of work attracts the exact opposite of the kind of risk-taking, uber-independent worker you find at many cutting edge tech sector companies."

Paid shill-like typing detected.


I bet he actually got a bonus for working "uber" in there.
 
2014-08-12 01:20:03 PM  
I think people were less angry about her no work from home and more angry about her no work from home and oh look I'm alright because I've had the company build a farking creche for my child.

Also FTA there is dumb shiat like this

Just a month after Mayer instituted the telecommuting ban at Yahoo, investigators at the U.S. Patent Office found that a large number of that department's at-home workers routinely lied about the amount of hours they put in.

Hey geniuses, they routinely lie about it when they are in the office too.
 
2014-08-12 01:20:05 PM  
There's a lot of focus in hours worked in this article but nothing about work produced.
 
2014-08-12 01:27:41 PM  

DeaH: There's a lot of focus in hours worked in this article but nothing about work produced.


Hey, the author of TFA was paid to shill, not do research.  xD
 
2014-08-12 02:06:10 PM  

DeaH: There's a lot of focus in hours worked in this article but nothing about work produced.


That's what I was thinking.  Were they being paid hourly, on a salary, or based on work done?   I agree that allowing hourly employees to work from home is open to abuse, but I doubt that's the case here.

As long as the assigned work is getting done on time in a high quality fashion, what does it matter how many hours they work?
 
2014-08-12 02:37:57 PM  
What a shiat article.
 
2014-08-12 02:39:18 PM  
On the telly. The penguin is on the telly, not in the telly. The joke don't work if you say "in."
 
2014-08-12 02:43:20 PM  
All government workers are lazy, especially at my welfare office. Even lazier than all the people in front of me in line. Don't they know I'm the only one that earned my welfare?! Common I'm gonna miss The View!
 
2014-08-12 02:45:23 PM  
Perhaps, hear me out now, perhaps the amount of work that actually gets done can be completed in less than a 40 hour work week, and the only difference with office work versus work at home is you are paying them to goof off in an office environment rather than goof off at home.
 
2014-08-12 02:45:33 PM  
Marissa Mayer has a weird laugh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcSujceZDmg
 
2014-08-12 02:45:51 PM  
My takeaway from the article is that I need to get me one of those federal teleworking jobs.
 
2014-08-12 02:46:34 PM  
What the hell does yahoo have to do with any of the article's content? The story is that the Patent office's WFH system was garbage.
 
2014-08-12 02:46:59 PM  
If you want more productivity out of Marissa Mayer, perhaps they should set her salary at $2.51/hour plus tips.  Then shareholders can pay her what they think she is entitled to.   I am sure she'd become the "risk-taking, uber-independent CEO the shareholders expect from a high tech company like Yahoo.
 
2014-08-12 02:47:28 PM  
My favorite telecommuting story is the guy who was farming out his work to China.
 
2014-08-12 02:49:06 PM  

qorkfiend: My favorite telecommuting story is the guy who was farming out his work to China.


The code was good enough to pass muster, it was the remote connections to china on the network that got him busted IIRC.
 
2014-08-12 02:50:18 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: As long as the assigned work is getting done on time in a high quality fashion, what does it matter how many hours they work?


My last two bosses said as much to us. One even said that if it were up to him, he'd simply assign work and not care when or even if we actually showed up to do it so long as it gone done right and on time.

Another part of them problem is people - both rank-and-file and their managers - assuming that any office work is work-from-home-able 5 days a week. When you're a web developer with access to a code repo who spends 8 hours listening to headphones, you can probably spend a day or two (at least) at home. When you're a support desk manager, you'd be lucky to get early dismissal on Fridays.

// living close to work, I wouldn't mind commuting for partial days in the office, but I realize for many, that'd just be another major hassle
 
2014-08-12 02:52:16 PM  

qorkfiend: My favorite telecommuting story is the guy who was farming out his work to China.


Farking genius until they catch you and cut out the middle man.
 
2014-08-12 02:54:44 PM  
Perhaps, hear me out now, perhaps the amount of work that actually gets done can be completed in less than a 40 hour work week, and the only difference with office work versus work at home is you are paying them to goof off in an office environment rather than goof off at home.

My brother in law and several friends work for the Gov't Printing Office on G St in DC. They all came out of the private sector, where the mantra for the printing industry is, " I need it yesterday ! " So, when he starts working there, people are complaining because he runs the job as fast as he can ; they're worried he'll run the machine out of work and they'll have to do things like sweep the floor and clean the equipment. He tells his helpers fairly regularly that they couldn't make it on the outside. His boss loves him, his co-workers, not so much.
 
2014-08-12 02:54:57 PM  
Throw in the guaranteed pension and rock-solid job security you get in a federal job, and you can see why that line of work attracts the exact opposite of the kind of risk-taking, uber-independent worker you find at many cutting edge tech sector companies.

The guaranteed pension that the federal government hasn't had for people who were hired after 1986?  That one?

Throw in the rugged individuality and productive independent work habits of many tech workers,

Wow, that's some seriously rugged knob-gobbling there...
 
2014-08-12 02:58:38 PM  
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2014-08-12 03:00:57 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Paid shill-like typing detected.


My experience with them has been pretty much what that sentence described. It seems like government jobs tend to attract people who are looking to idle. They all seemed willing to take the lower pay in exchange for the ability to just sort of blend into the background and let things happen around them.

I don't know that I agree with the tone, though. I don't think government jobs attract lazy people looking to cash checks for nothing, I think they attract (or, more specifically, retain) timid people who are looking to just sort of settle into a routine career without much drama. That's one reason I've always shied away from government jobs, in fact. The prospects for moving up always seem slim unless you're willing to go political, plus, although you have the pension, the pay is below par compared to comparable skilled jobs in the private sector.

All that said, I'm not convinced ANY part of the USPTO works, so I have a hard time extrapolating the findings on their teleworkers beyond their own hallowed walls.
 
2014-08-12 03:03:22 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: "Throw in the guaranteed pension and rock-solid job security you get in a federal job, and you can see why that line of work attracts the exact opposite of the kind of risk-taking, uber-independent worker you find at many cutting edge tech sector companies."

Paid shill-like typing detected.


Well, that certainly explains the last dozen or so men who have been Secretary of the Treasury, and the Secretaries of Commerce, and most  SEC Chairmen and Commissioners.
Thanks, blogger.
 
2014-08-12 03:04:03 PM  
From what I understand, government workers get paid a ton of money, they barely work, and they can't be fired.  This means that they're stupid.
 
2014-08-12 03:04:59 PM  

skozlaw: The prospects for moving up always seem slim unless you're willing to go political, plus, although you have the pension, the pay is below par compared to comparable skilled jobs in the private sector.


That hasn't been true for a while. Unless your field is exceptionally in demand or you're on commission, private sector wages have slipped so much that government work is a pretty sweet deal all around.
 
2014-08-12 03:06:30 PM  
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2014-08-12 03:07:04 PM  

El Dudereno: qorkfiend: My favorite telecommuting story is the guy who was farming out his work to China.

Farking genius until they catch you and cut out the middle man.


What - they never heard of subcontracting? That's just thinking like a Job CreatorTM is all that is.
 
2014-08-12 03:10:51 PM  
Why exactly is Mayer right again? Because the last earnings call Yahoo had didn't make her look right about much of anything.

Also "Mayer's actions eighteen months ago finally justified by entirely different incident in unrelated organization on opposite coast" is the most lamesauce position I've ever seen. This blog sux
 
2014-08-12 03:12:19 PM  

IrateShadow: skozlaw: The prospects for moving up always seem slim unless you're willing to go political, plus, although you have the pension, the pay is below par compared to comparable skilled jobs in the private sector.

That hasn't been true for a while. Unless your field is exceptionally in demand or you're on commission, private sector wages have slipped so much that government work is a pretty sweet deal all around.


And public sector wages have been frozen ...3 years in a row?

// pardon me - Obama signed a 1% pay increase in December 2013, which is why everyone in DC now drives a Ferrari with their right foot and a Bentley with their left
 
2014-08-12 03:12:43 PM  

skozlaw: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Paid shill-like typing detected.

My experience with them has been pretty much what that sentence described. It seems like government jobs tend to attract people who are looking to idle. They all seemed willing to take the lower pay in exchange for the ability to just sort of blend into the background and let things happen around them.

I don't know that I agree with the tone, though. I don't think government jobs attract lazy people looking to cash checks for nothing, I think they attract (or, more specifically, retain) timid people who are looking to just sort of settle into a routine career without much drama. That's one reason I've always shied away from government jobs, in fact. The prospects for moving up always seem slim unless you're willing to go political, plus, although you have the pension, the pay is below par compared to comparable skilled jobs in the private sector.

All that said, I'm not convinced ANY part of the USPTO works, so I have a hard time extrapolating the findings on their teleworkers beyond their own hallowed walls.


I don't know if I'd say they're looking to idle, as much as it attracts people who want a steady career with clearly defined responsibilities, path for advancement, andexpectations.  That doesn't mean they don't work hard, it just means that they know up front what they're expected to do and the compensation that will be provided for that work.

There's something very appealing about that.  In my job now my pay is almost entirely performance based.  That means that I can make a lot of money, but it also means that I feel guilty when I take a day off or don't stay late.   There's incentive to work harder, and I have a hard time saying no to that.

Having a job that paid a steady and decent salary, and where the office closed at 5pm and on weekends so that I couldn't work extra time even if I wanted to would be freeing in a lot of ways.
 
2014-08-12 03:14:09 PM  

IrateShadow: private sector wages have slipped so much that government work is a pretty sweet deal all around.


This is true, even for those on commission. I did the math and figured that I could work for the IRS as a field agent and make about the same amount that I make now.
 
2014-08-12 03:16:04 PM  
I'm fat, lazy, and currently waiting for an interview for a federal job, so I'm really getting a kick out of this...or would be, if I wasn't so fat and lazy.
 
2014-08-12 03:16:14 PM  
That article was so bad I'm surprised it wasn't on Yahoo News.
 
2014-08-12 03:25:59 PM  
Throw in the guaranteed pension and rock-solid job security you get in a federal job, and you can see why that line of work attracts the exact opposite of the kind of risk-taking, uber-independent worker you find at many cutting edge tech sector companies.

I've worked for the government and wish to comment.  The bolded section there is exactly what tax payers don't want public servants to do.  They are paid to provide stability not to gamble.  Where I worked there were numerous safeguards in place to prevent independent movement because who exactly is going to take the blame?  You can be certain a higher up doesn't want to be called on the carpet and get grilled about what happened to tax payer funds.  People want (very reasonably) accountability for their taxes collected.

A private company and a government agency have different goals and a government agency should have as one of its primary goals making certain that the funds allocated to them are used in accordance with the SOP which in my case was created by congress.  We weren't hired to be risk takers, we were hired to try and be stewards of the public interest.  If the public wants risky behavior with the taxes paid, they can certainly express that to the representatives but I have my doubts many are interested in having government employees gamble with their taxes.
 
2014-08-12 03:26:33 PM  
Hey, I'm not fat!

I'm also not allowed to work from home.
 
2014-08-12 03:28:43 PM  
So wait, Ms. Mayer biatches and moans about government workers?  Good, let's start with Congress, since their the laziest government workers of all.
 
2014-08-12 03:31:37 PM  

PanicMan: Hey, I'm not fat!

I'm also not allowed to work from home.


I meant to add: I wish I was, because I'd get twice as much done and be much happier.
 
2014-08-12 03:31:39 PM  
, and where the office closed at 5pm and on weekends so that I couldn't work extra time even if I wanted to would be freeing in a lot of ways.


Try being in emergency managment.  Weekends? post-5pm?  What are those?
 
2014-08-12 03:33:05 PM  
The people who say these sort of things are just pissed off that most government workers won't take their little brown bags of money under the table, then look the other way when the private corporations do the wrong thing.
 
2014-08-12 03:33:44 PM  

PanicMan: PanicMan: Hey, I'm not fat!

I'm also not allowed to work from home.

I meant to add: I wish I was, because I'd get twice as much done and be much happier.


Er, not being fat. Working from home.

I'll just stop talking now.
 
2014-08-12 03:57:13 PM  
Federal employee for 29 years and I am proud of the work I do and think I do it well.  I think most everyone I know in government are hard working and take personal pride in doing their jobs well.  I know how much traction the lazy government worker stereotype has and how much many people enjoy that but my reality just doesn't jibe with the popular cliché.
 
2014-08-12 03:57:55 PM  

BMulligan: On the telly. The penguin is on the telly, not in the telly. The joke don't work if you say "in."


damnit, I thought I had that joke correct.  Sorry.  :(

/subby
 
2014-08-12 04:15:05 PM  

Dr Dreidel: TuteTibiImperes: As long as the assigned work is getting done on time in a high quality fashion, what does it matter how many hours they work?


My last two bosses said as much to us. One even said that if it were up to him, he'd simply assign work and not care when or even if we actually showed up to do it so long as it gone done right and on time.


Which is a very pre-Industrial Revolution way of doing things.  Most jobs were "do X by Y date, and how you get there is your business".  But the making of humans into biological machine parts int eh Industrial Revolution led to the idea of "your every move will be timed, and you will get faster per unit on less money or else".  We've progressed the industrial part to the point that we need fewer people to actually be eaten by machines, but we persist on demanding an environment in non-industrial workplaces that was designed specifically to kill children in textile mills.
 
2014-08-12 04:15:47 PM  

Mantour: [pbs.twimg.com image 456x227]


BURMA!!
 
2014-08-12 04:23:53 PM  

shanteyman: Perhaps, hear me out now, perhaps the amount of work that actually gets done can be completed in less than a 40 hour work week, and the only difference with office work versus work at home is you are paying them to goof off in an office environment rather than goof off at home.

My brother in law and several friends work for the Gov't Printing Office on G St in DC. They all came out of the private sector, where the mantra for the printing industry is, " I need it yesterday ! " So, when he starts working there, people are complaining because he runs the job as fast as he can ; they're worried he'll run the machine out of work and they'll have to do things like sweep the floor and clean the equipment. He tells his helpers fairly regularly that they couldn't make it on the outside. His boss loves him, his co-workers, not so much.


So your brother in-law's an asshole? Good to know.
 
2014-08-12 04:28:07 PM  

KyngNothing: rugged knob-gobbling


made my penis an inny
 
2014-08-12 04:46:55 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: "Throw in the guaranteed pension and rock-solid job security you get in a federal job, and you can see why that line of work attracts the exact opposite of the kind of risk-taking, uber-independent worker you find at many cutting edge tech sector companies."

Paid shill-like typing detected.


Does the author mean like Yahoo! execs who are paid $109 million for one year of 'work', much of which he didn't even bother to turn up? And yes, that was Mayer's decision. So get angry at the government employees while 'uber-independent workers' at tech companies get paid over $200,000/day, including weekends and holidays and days they never show up for work.
 
2014-08-12 04:51:57 PM  

IrateShadow: What the hell does yahoo have to do with any of the article's content? The story is that the Patent office's WFH system was garbage.


Actually, even that wasn't the actual problem.

The actual problem was that, due to backlogs/staff shortages elsewhere in the system, some employees had nothing to do from time to time.
 
2014-08-12 04:52:24 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: "Throw in the guaranteed pension and rock-solid job security you get in a federal job, and you can see why that line of work attracts the exact opposite of the kind of risk-taking, uber-independent worker you find at many cutting edge tech sector companies."

Paid shill-like typing detected.


I was a govvie engineer for a few years. I found there were a lot of lazy, time-serving, incompetent wastes of space in government service. One guy in my section would sleep at his desk by propping himself up with a parts book in front of him like he was reading it. I couldn't stand it and went into the private sector, where at least if you're one of those types you tend to get canned instead of shuffled around and fobbed off to whatever manager is lowest on the totem pole. I was much happier and also doubled my pay, so that was nice.
 
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