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(Gamasutra)   Botter gains $130k worth of phat lewts from Diablo III   (gamasutra.com) divider line 27
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3872 clicks; posted to Geek » on 12 Aug 2014 at 7:52 PM (41 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2014-08-12 06:43:00 PM  
It was legal. It shouldn't be, either in video games OR the real stock market.
 
2014-08-12 08:03:19 PM  
Ah, I love it when thieves exclaim "sure, it wasn't moral, it wasn't ethical, and it was against the rules of the game, but as it wasn't explicitly illegal, you can't do anything about me ripping you off and contributing to the demise of the game itself."
 
2014-08-12 08:14:22 PM  
Even if it's not illegal, Blizzard is within their rights to ban them from the game if the dude did something against their Terms of Service (which I haven't read. Or the article, for that matter).
 
2014-08-12 08:17:43 PM  

FormlessOne: Ah, I love it when thieves exclaim "sure, it wasn't moral, it wasn't ethical, and it was against the rules of the game, but as it wasn't explicitly illegal, you can't do anything about me ripping you off and contributing to the demise of the game itself."


To be fair, Blizzard contributed to the demise by the sheer act of creating the RMAH. When duping was rampant in Diablo 2, there were tons of people making hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars on auctioning and selling those duped items. Blizzard finally found a way to shut it down by stopping the duping and getting eBay to stop all auctions for digital items. That was a blatant exploit outside of the bounds of the game.

But Blizzard created the monster here. They let their own greed (of getting a cut of every auction) overtake the goal of the game. Add on the fact that the initial release version of the game had unbelievably horrible drop rates on anything actually worth using, they created an atmosphere of needing the RMAH to succeed. They didn't realize their monster would almost destroy the game. When your player base spends more time surfing the auctions than actually playing the game, you dun farked up.

One of the few times a console version of a game was far superior to the PC version. Upped drop rates, no RMAH, and offline/couch co-op play created a great game.

/Picking up Reaper of Souls on 360
//Console Diablo 3 got my fiance to love gaming, and I'll always thank it for that
///She's more excited for RoS than I am
//Slashies
/x5
 
2014-08-12 08:18:25 PM  
BFD. He didn't steal the items or force the other players to buy them.
 
2014-08-12 08:22:57 PM  
I like D3 a lot better now than I did when they released it. Why didn't they just make the game like that when they released it instead of waiting for the expansion?

/oh yeah the truckloads of money they made selling garbage
//as for this guy, go Fark yourself buddy, you're part of the problem
 
2014-08-12 08:45:35 PM  
Why are people still going with the dumbass argument "you needed the RMAH to succeed"?  The regular one worked just damn fine, and you didn't even need that.
 
2014-08-12 09:07:43 PM  

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2014-08-12 09:22:13 PM  
I have complete respect for this guy. He didn't bot in game. He didn't exploit. he just played the stock market. Bravo.
 
2014-08-12 09:28:50 PM  
I'm solidly on the "good for him" side
 
2014-08-12 09:56:23 PM  
He's in Bulgaria, but if he had done this in the US he could have been prosecuted.  Violating the terms of use means that you are no longer authorized to use the software, meaning you are now violating the CFAA.

From the EFF:
Here is the CFAA's greatest flaw: the law makes it illegal to access a computer without authorization or in a way that exceeds authorization, but doesn't clearly explain what that means. This murkiness gives the government tons of leeway to be creative in bringing charges.

Lori Drew  is a horrible woman who created a fake MySpace account to cyberbully a teenage girl who killed herself.  She was convicted of violating the CFAA for.... lying to MySpace about her name and age.

And Blizzard just sued a bunch of people for violating terms of use and EULAs in addition to copyright infringement.
 
2014-08-12 10:04:45 PM  

FormlessOne: Ah, I love it when thieves exclaim "sure, it wasn't moral, it wasn't ethical, and it was against the rules of the game, but as it wasn't explicitly illegal, you can't do anything about me ripping you off and contributing to the demise of the game itself."


He didn't contribute to the demise of the game.

He never said it was immoral, because, it wasn't.

It wasn't illegal in any way or form.

Cry more.
 
kab
2014-08-12 10:11:43 PM  
Interesting read, and good for him.


Never really saw the logic in spending cash to kill the same exact shiat quicker, but whatever floats ones boat.
 
2014-08-13 12:01:09 AM  

spawn73: FormlessOne: Ah, I love it when thieves exclaim "sure, it wasn't moral, it wasn't ethical, and it was against the rules of the game, but as it wasn't explicitly illegal, you can't do anything about me ripping you off and contributing to the demise of the game itself."

He didn't contribute to the demise of the game.

He never said it was immoral, because, it wasn't.

It wasn't illegal in any way or form.

Cry more.


that may not necessarly be true.

it was only against the game's terms of use but those have nothing to do with the law and it's the game creator Blizzard's responsibility to enforce those terms

Here is the thing,  Aaron Schwartz only violated a websites TOS and yet the feds wanted to send him to prison for 50+ years for violating the TOS.  Under our computer laws literally anything you do or say online can be argued to be "hacker" activity and its a crap shoot if you will get in trouble for it.
 
2014-08-13 12:51:36 AM  
img.fark.net

/so many memories of D3 ...
 
2014-08-13 02:11:59 AM  
This is the oldest news ive seen posted here in a while.
 
2014-08-13 02:13:34 AM  

FormlessOne: Ah, I love it when thieves exclaim "sure, it wasn't moral, it wasn't ethical, and it was against the rules of the game, but as it wasn't explicitly illegal, you can't do anything about me ripping you off and contributing to the demise of the game itself."


It is the same as the people/corporations paying obviously lower than they should levels of taxes. Sure, the rules allow for it in the purely technical sense, but it doesn't mean they aren't dicks. And it ruins the "game" for the rest of it.
 
2014-08-13 06:55:30 AM  
I've done this in every MMO that I've played.  Look over all of the sale items and look for stuff you know is way under priced and buy it up.  You just need a large amount of capital upfront.  Same thing people do IRL, buy cheap or for free on craigslist then go and sell on eBay or flea markets.
 
2014-08-13 08:27:59 AM  

Jack Lambert's Missing Teeth: Why didn't they just make the game like that when they released it instead of waiting for the expansion?


Because someone had to teach me to straight-up not pre-order games or buy them within a month of release, ever, and it might as well have been Activision?  They've taught me a lot of other lessons that boil down to caveat emptor, so it's kind of a tradition now.
 
2014-08-13 09:39:51 AM  

Abracapocalypse: I have complete respect for this guy. He didn't bot in game. He didn't exploit. he just played the stock market. Bravo.


Yeah, I'm trying to figure out why this is a problem, or even against the ToS.  From the article, it sounds like he didn't cheat or anything, he just wrote a program to automate things he could do in person. That shouldn't be punished.
 
2014-08-13 10:30:51 AM  
OMG YOU HAX

/got nuthin'
 
2014-08-13 11:10:14 AM  

palelizard: Yeah, I'm trying to figure out why this is a problem, or even against the ToS. From the article, it sounds like he didn't cheat or anything, he just wrote a program to automate things he could do in person. That shouldn't be punished.


Other than the fact that you can't sell in game items or currency which is what makes it against ToS.  Plus most MMOs say you can't use any outside automation, you can use their in house ones as much as you want.
 
2014-08-13 12:20:32 PM  

TNel: Other than the fact that you can't sell in game items or currency which is what makes it against ToS.  Plus most MMOs say you can't use any outside automation, you can use their in house ones as much as you want.


Oh, I thought the auction allowed for actual cash transactions.
 
2014-08-13 12:32:44 PM  

TNel: I've done this in every MMO that I've played.  Look over all of the sale items and look for stuff you know is way under priced and buy it up.  You just need a large amount of capital upfront.  Same thing people do IRL, buy cheap or for free on craigslist then go and sell on eBay or flea markets.


Seriously, Gem price fixing was an art, one that I happily practiced and made a metric shiat ton of gold doing.

Then everyone and their mothers finally get all the patterns (and a few bots showed up) and you bail until the next expansion.
 
2014-08-13 01:00:52 PM  

palelizard: Oh, I thought the auction allowed for actual cash transactions.


No just in game money so it's all "legal" until you sell your gold to the gold farmers.
 
2014-08-13 03:59:12 PM  

TNel: palelizard: Oh, I thought the auction allowed for actual cash transactions.

No just in game money so it's all "legal" until you sell your gold to the gold farmers.


Not sure where you are going with this. This guy used the real money auction house.

I don't care so much. I just used the AH to dump inventory that I couldn't use anymore. It was sometimes handier than vendoring items one inventory batch at a time.

Did they ever put a "sell to vendor" button on the bank interface for WoW? One of the most annoying parts of that game was trying to dump all the garbage out of my bank.
 
2014-08-13 08:52:37 PM  

GameSprocket: Not sure where you are going with this. This guy used the real money auction house.


D3 had a real money auction house?  If that's the case then I was wrong. I assumed it was like every other game where you got gold then had to convert to real money.  I canceled my preorder of D3 and was glad I did when my brother said it was terrible and so did everyone else.
 
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