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2014-08-12 01:12:10 PM  
The social contract.

You get what you pay for.

If you're lucky.
 
2014-08-12 01:23:57 PM  
Health care ain't "free".
 
2014-08-12 01:39:05 PM  
Numbers from The Fraser Institute don't impress me.

Before even clicking the link, I'm going to guess that this is the usual trick of saying people paid more in taxes than X and Y combined, and what they do is combine every conceivable tax under the sun to make that assertion true.

Let's see how this pans out.
 
2014-08-12 01:41:37 PM  

Rev.K: Numbers from The Fraser Institute don't impress me.

Before even clicking the link, I'm going to guess that this is the usual trick of saying people paid more in taxes than X and Y combined, and what they do is combine every conceivable tax under the sun to make that assertion true.

Let's see how this pans out.


Are you suggesting that Fraser Institute might massage the numbers in order to try and influence opinion in a specific direction?
 
2014-08-12 01:42:34 PM  
All in all, the report's total tax bill represents both visible and hidden taxes paid to the federal, provincial and local governments. This includes income taxes, payroll taxes, health taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, fuel taxes, vehicle taxes, import taxes, alcohol and tobacco taxes, and more.

Yeah, if I totaled up every single type of tax I pay down here in the US, it would be my biggest expense as well. It's called "society." People have to pay for shiat.
 
2014-08-12 01:42:43 PM  
FTA:


All in all, the report's total tax bill represents both visible and hidden taxes paid to the federal, provincial and local governments. This includes income taxes, payroll taxes, health taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, fuel taxes, vehicle taxes, import taxes, alcohol and tobacco taxes, and more.


Way to go, clown shoes. F*ck off Fraser Institute.
 
2014-08-12 01:58:10 PM  
Just to demonstrate how asinine this comparison is, consider this.

Income taxes, payroll taxes, and health taxes are unavoidable if you have a job. So to take those and compare the amount of those taxes against how much was spent on food, shelter, and clothing would be ok.

Now look at property taxes, fuel taxes, vehicle taxes, alcohol and tobacco taxes. If you are paying those taxes, you are buying those things, so why aren't those expenditures part of the comparison?

The Fraser Institute wants to focus on shelter, food, and clothing expenditures, but then completely ignores the expenditures on related to property ownership, fuel, vehicles, alcohol and tobacco. They compare all of the taxes, but consider none of the expenditures.

To sum, clown shoes comparison is clown shoes.
 
2014-08-12 02:09:48 PM  
Torture the numbers and they'll confess to anything.
 
2014-08-12 02:12:52 PM  
Koch funded.

Link
 
2014-08-12 02:19:21 PM  
And they don't even get a decent military out of it.  I bet they don't even get to bomb weddings in Afghanistan.
 
2014-08-12 02:19:32 PM  
A  think-tank takes the name of one of our most beloved fictitious mounties.  They don't deserve respect!
 
2014-08-12 02:35:08 PM  
 
2014-08-12 02:48:45 PM  

Chris Ween: And they don't even get a decent military out of it.  I bet they don't even get to bomb weddings in Afghanistan.


They do sometimes get a chance to participate in those bombing missions. Difficulty: as targets.
 
2014-08-12 04:16:26 PM  
Interesting.

Just did a tally on my own paycheck.

Here in Colorado, in one of the least-taxed areas in the country, more of my paycheck goes to taxes and sundry than goes to my housing and food.

I want my free doctors.
 
2014-08-12 05:00:42 PM  
 
2014-08-12 05:13:44 PM  

Lando Lincoln: All in all, the report's total tax bill represents both visible and hidden taxes paid to the federal, provincial and local governments. This includes income taxes, payroll taxes, health taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, fuel taxes, vehicle taxes, import taxes, alcohol and tobacco taxes, and more.

Yeah, if I totaled up every single type of tax I pay down here in the US, it would be my biggest expense as well. It's called "society." People have to pay for shiat.


True but the only reason why we pay the government is they'll send men with guns to kidnap and imprison you for years if you don't  That is unless they decide to kill you first.
 
2014-08-12 05:20:47 PM  

unlikely: Interesting.

Just did a tally on my own paycheck.

Here in Colorado, in one of the least-taxed areas in the country, more of my paycheck goes to taxes and sundry than goes to my housing and food.

I want my free doctors.


Quit'cher biatchin'...at least you got free weed.
 
2014-08-12 05:22:49 PM  
Most working Americans probably pay more for taxes + healthcare than food + shelter, too.

So what's the point?
 
2014-08-12 06:06:55 PM  

unlikely: Interesting.

Just did a tally on my own paycheck.

Here in Colorado, in one of the least-taxed areas in the country, more of my paycheck goes to taxes and sundry than goes to my housing and food.

I want my free doctors.


You need to march on down to HR and get this straight because I live in one of the highest taxed states and all of my taxes together (including sales) are less than 30%. I think your HR dept. is robbing you.


/Items at the Dollar Store in Canada cost 2.50 after the taxes are added in.
//Exaggeration but not much
 
2014-08-12 06:21:26 PM  

Lando Lincoln: All in all, the report's total tax bill represents both visible and hidden taxes paid to the federal, provincial and local governments. This includes income taxes, payroll taxes, health taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, fuel taxes, vehicle taxes, import taxes, alcohol and tobacco taxes, and more.

Yeah, if I totaled up every single type of tax I pay down here in the US, it would be my biggest expense as well. It's called "society." People have to pay for shiat.


The next trick is to total all those federal, state, and local taxes up, and compare it to your income or net worth.

They don't take that next step though, because it shows the ugly truth.

//Plus they complain it's really hard to total sales tax up!
 
2014-08-12 06:44:23 PM  

gopher321: Health care ain't "free".


Yeah, it's almost like paying another tax!
 
2014-08-12 06:46:11 PM  

Rev.K: Just to demonstrate how asinine this comparison is, consider this.

Income taxes, payroll taxes, and health taxes are unavoidable if you have a job. So to take those and compare the amount of those taxes against how much was spent on food, shelter, and clothing would be ok.

Now look at property taxes, fuel taxes, vehicle taxes, alcohol and tobacco taxes. If you are paying those taxes, you are buying those things, so why aren't those expenditures part of the comparison?

The Fraser Institute wants to focus on shelter, food, and clothing expenditures, but then completely ignores the expenditures on related to property ownership, fuel, vehicles, alcohol and tobacco. They compare all of the taxes, but consider none of the expenditures.

To sum, clown shoes comparison is clown shoes.


Oh dear God and you work for the city.

Can you tell me how I can avoid paying property tax?
 
2014-08-12 06:48:17 PM  

CMYK and PMS: unlikely: Interesting.

Just did a tally on my own paycheck.

Here in Colorado, in one of the least-taxed areas in the country, more of my paycheck goes to taxes and sundry than goes to my housing and food.

I want my free doctors.

You need to march on down to HR and get this straight because I live in one of the highest taxed states and all of my taxes together (including sales) are less than 30%. I think your HR dept. is robbing you.


You sound poor.
 
2014-08-12 06:52:38 PM  
Hey, gotta keep those First Nations chiefs in Armani.
 
2014-08-12 06:56:25 PM  

umad: CMYK and PMS: unlikely: Interesting.

Just did a tally on my own paycheck.

Here in Colorado, in one of the least-taxed areas in the country, more of my paycheck goes to taxes and sundry than goes to my housing and food.

I want my free doctors.

You need to march on down to HR and get this straight because I live in one of the highest taxed states and all of my taxes together (including sales) are less than 30%. I think your HR dept. is robbing you.

You sound poor.


You sound stupid
 
2014-08-12 06:56:58 PM  
So, where is all that money for juicing the tar sands going?
 
2014-08-12 06:57:05 PM  
Wow! Both food and housing are cheap in Canada!

/hire me, Canadians
//but only where it's warmish
 
2014-08-12 07:00:31 PM  
All in all, the report's total tax bill represents both visible and hidden taxes paid to the federal, provincial and local governments. This includes income taxes, payroll taxes, health taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, fuel taxes, vehicle taxes, import taxes, alcohol and tobacco taxes, and more.

So they're assuming everyone is paying for all the sin tax products?  And that everyone has a car?
 
2014-08-12 07:19:16 PM  
WE'RE RICH, BI-ATCH!

Poverty is defined in Canada as required 70% or more of your income to pay for shelter, food and other basics. Very few taxpayers fall into that class, even at the low end where federal taxes are about 27% on the first $45,000 or more. It sure as Hell isn't the affluent taxpayer who suffers. And only one tax filer in three actually pays more income taxes: the other two thirds pay nothing or get a refund.

As the article explains, we get quite a lot for our higher taxes:  education, health care, social security, retirement pensions, unemployment insurance, welfare for the really hard up, and the occasional war out with our buds.

Like the other high-tax, high-income, high-security, and high-tech countries, we are doing rather better than we were even a few decades ago unlike the countries which we are harangued by the right wing into being more like:  the USA and Lesotho. Well, let's say Japan. At least we have the metric system, which Lesotho doesn't.

Canada's Frazer Institute is a pale simulacrum of US right wing stink tanks and even so I discount anything they say at rates over 70%. Also, you have to dig out their false assumptions and misleading semantics. There are always false assumptions and BS in in this septic tank rhetoric.
 
2014-08-12 07:21:08 PM  
Fraser with an "s" that is.
 
2014-08-12 07:26:04 PM  
If Canada had 30 million illegals in their country, they'd have no health care
 
2014-08-12 07:31:53 PM  

brantgoose: WE'RE RICH, BI-ATCH!

Poverty is defined in Canada as required 70% or more of your income to pay for shelter, food and other basics. Very few taxpayers fall into that class, even at the low end where federal taxes are about 27% on the first $45,000 or more. It sure as Hell isn't the affluent taxpayer who suffers. And only one tax filer in three actually pays more income taxes: the other two thirds pay nothing or get a refund.

As the article explains, we get quite a lot for our higher taxes:  education, health care, social security, retirement pensions, unemployment insurance, welfare for the really hard up, and the occasional war out with our buds.

Like the other high-tax, high-income, high-security, and high-tech countries, we are doing rather better than we were even a few decades ago unlike the countries which we are harangued by the right wing into being more like:  the USA and Lesotho. Well, let's say Japan. At least we have the metric system, which Lesotho doesn't.

Canada's Frazer Institute is a pale simulacrum of US right wing stink tanks and even so I discount anything they say at rates over 70%. Also, you have to dig out their false assumptions and misleading semantics. There are always false assumptions and BS in in this septic tank rhetoric.


You are forgetting about your 3 tiered sales tax system. I haven't been there in 10 years but I was floored by how much everything cost after sales tax. I was visiting a friend who was a nurse, her husband was an upper grade teacher and all they could afford was the top floor of a house in Montreal and a 4 year old car.

You are correct that you get a lot for your taxes but I think in the long run it evens out between you and the US. We just have more choice in what we get and pay at purchase. Not better just different.
 
2014-08-12 07:41:18 PM  

unlikely: Interesting.

Just did a tally on my own paycheck.

Here in Colorado, in one of the least-taxed areas in the country, more of my paycheck goes to taxes and sundry than goes to my housing and food.

I want my free doctors.


You should have them. With my health insurance added in (+deductibles) most years I pay more for insurance than I do for taxes. If my net spending were reduced, I don't care if I pay taxes for health care.

/Affordable care my ass. Not in Floriduh. fark you, Rick Scott.
 
2014-08-12 08:03:39 PM  

Lando Lincoln: It's called "society." People have to pay for shiat.


Which is why the smart party wants to get rid of this "society."
 
2014-08-12 08:12:31 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Rev.K: Numbers from The Fraser Institute don't impress me.

Before even clicking the link, I'm going to guess that this is the usual trick of saying people paid more in taxes than X and Y combined, and what they do is combine every conceivable tax under the sun to make that assertion true.

Let's see how this pans out.

Are you suggesting that Fraser Institute might massage the numbers in order to try and influence opinion in a specific direction?


I was curious for myself and figured it out... My total household income was about 75000 last year. So taxes for fed alone are about 5000. Don't know state but we'll estimate 1000. So 6000 or about 5 months of rent and food. Now here's where it gets fun. Figure $250 a month for insurance or about 2and a half months food and rent. And I get the added joy of being essentially bankrupt because of medical bills. So yes I'll take socialized medicine.
 
2014-08-12 08:23:00 PM  

doomjesse: I_Am_Weasel: Rev.K: Numbers from The Fraser Institute don't impress me.

Before even clicking the link, I'm going to guess that this is the usual trick of saying people paid more in taxes than X and Y combined, and what they do is combine every conceivable tax under the sun to make that assertion true.

Let's see how this pans out.

Are you suggesting that Fraser Institute might massage the numbers in order to try and influence opinion in a specific direction?

I was curious for myself and figured it out... My total household income was about 75000 last year. So taxes for fed alone are about 5000. Don't know state but we'll estimate 1000. So 6000 or about 5 months of rent and food. Now here's where it gets fun. Figure $250 a month for insurance or about 2and a half months food and rent. And I get the added joy of being essentially bankrupt because of medical bills. So yes I'll take socialized medicine.


These figures show that after taxes and health insurance you have 66,000/yr left. Where is the problem?


75,000
-5000 fed
70,000
-1000 state
69,000
-3000
66,000
 
2014-08-12 08:29:04 PM  

Tax Boy: Wow! Both food and housing are cheap in Canada!

/hire me, Canadians
//but only where it's warmish


Vancouver is warmish. Housing is... not cheap.
 
2014-08-12 08:36:59 PM  

CMYK and PMS: You are correct that you get a lot for your taxes but I think in the long run it evens out between you and the US. We just have more choice in what we get and pay at purchase. Not better just different.


It's not primarily a question of choice in spending it's income redistribution.
Prosperous people like me pay higher taxes and have less disposable income than we would in America.
People who do things like work in call centers and restaurants don't have to do without medical care.
I'm happy with that type of trade off.
Poor people don't pay more on taxes than they do on food and shelter, people like me do, and speaking for myself I say the Fraser institute can take their "fark the poor to help the rich" ideology and shove it up their ass.
 
2014-08-12 08:43:28 PM  

CodeMonkey4Life: CMYK and PMS: You are correct that you get a lot for your taxes but I think in the long run it evens out between you and the US. We just have more choice in what we get and pay at purchase. Not better just different.

It's not primarily a question of choice in spending it's income redistribution.
Prosperous people like me pay higher taxes and have less disposable income than we would in America.
People who do things like work in call centers and restaurants don't have to do without medical care.
I'm happy with that type of trade off.
Poor people don't pay more on taxes than they do on food and shelter, people like me do, and speaking for myself I say the Fraser institute can take their "fark the poor to help the rich" ideology and shove it up their ass.


Poor people in the US pay no taxes except for sales tax. In fact many get what is called an Earned Income Credit and actually get money back at tax time that they never paid in.

https://www.1040.com/federal-taxes/filing-basics/who-must-file/

of course poor is a relative term
 
2014-08-12 08:57:32 PM  

CMYK and PMS: Poor people in the US pay no taxes except for sales tax


This statement is so dildos that I'm not even going to diginfy it with a response - I'm just hanging it up here for all you over-80-IQ Farkers to point and laugh at.
 
2014-08-12 09:13:34 PM  

jso2897: CMYK and PMS: Poor people in the US pay no taxes except for sales tax

This statement is so dildos that I'm not even going to diginfy it with a response - I'm just hanging it up here for all you over-80-IQ Farkers to point and laugh at.


or you could click on the link to the IRS and not look like a moran. Your choice
 
2014-08-12 09:38:52 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Lando Lincoln: All in all, the report's total tax bill represents both visible and hidden taxes paid to the federal, provincial and local governments. This includes income taxes, payroll taxes, health taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, fuel taxes, vehicle taxes, import taxes, alcohol and tobacco taxes, and more.

Yeah, if I totaled up every single type of tax I pay down here in the US, it would be my biggest expense as well. It's called "society." People have to pay for shiat.

True but the only reason why we pay the government is they'll send men with guns to kidnap and imprison you for years if you don't  That is unless they decide to kill you first.


Yeah, riding the system for free while other more respectable citizens pay your way tend to get those respectibles citizens a little annoyed.

/Those bad men with gins also come for you if you don't keep your temper in check. Those assholes!
 
2014-08-12 09:39:16 PM  

Rev.K: Numbers from The Fraser Institute don't impress me.

Before even clicking the link, I'm going to guess that this is the usual trick of saying people paid more in taxes than X and Y combined, and what they do is combine every conceivable tax under the sun to make that assertion true.

Let's see how this pans out.


they include CORPORATE TAXES in with family spending stats.

As someone who does data analysis this just makes me me face palm.
 
2014-08-12 09:44:46 PM  

CMYK and PMS: CodeMonkey4Life: CMYK and PMS: You are correct that you get a lot for your taxes but I think in the long run it evens out between you and the US. We just have more choice in what we get and pay at purchase. Not better just different.

It's not primarily a question of choice in spending it's income redistribution.
Prosperous people like me pay higher taxes and have less disposable income than we would in America.
People who do things like work in call centers and restaurants don't have to do without medical care.
I'm happy with that type of trade off.
Poor people don't pay more on taxes than they do on food and shelter, people like me do, and speaking for myself I say the Fraser institute can take their "fark the poor to help the rich" ideology and shove it up their ass.

Poor people in the US pay no taxes except for sales tax. In fact many get what is called an Earned Income Credit and actually get money back at tax time that they never paid in.

https://www.1040.com/federal-taxes/filing-basics/who-must-file/

of course poor is a relative term


If those poor people are working, they are also paying Social Security, Medicare, and FICA taxes, as well as any taxes associated with property, provided they aren't too poor to have any.

I barely make five digits, yet I pay all of those taxes, and I still don't get all of my income tax refunded even after EIC.
 
2014-08-12 09:46:53 PM  

CMYK and PMS: brantgoose: WE'RE RICH, BI-ATCH!

Poverty is defined in Canada as required 70% or more of your income to pay for shelter, food and other basics. Very few taxpayers fall into that class, even at the low end where federal taxes are about 27% on the first $45,000 or more. It sure as Hell isn't the affluent taxpayer who suffers. And only one tax filer in three actually pays more income taxes: the other two thirds pay nothing or get a refund.

As the article explains, we get quite a lot for our higher taxes:  education, health care, social security, retirement pensions, unemployment insurance, welfare for the really hard up, and the occasional war out with our buds.

Like the other high-tax, high-income, high-security, and high-tech countries, we are doing rather better than we were even a few decades ago unlike the countries which we are harangued by the right wing into being more like:  the USA and Lesotho. Well, let's say Japan. At least we have the metric system, which Lesotho doesn't.

Canada's Frazer Institute is a pale simulacrum of US right wing stink tanks and even so I discount anything they say at rates over 70%. Also, you have to dig out their false assumptions and misleading semantics. There are always false assumptions and BS in in this septic tank rhetoric.

You are forgetting about your 3 tiered sales tax system. I haven't been there in 10 years but I was floored by how much everything cost after sales tax. I was visiting a friend who was a nurse, her husband was an upper grade teacher and all they could afford was the top floor of a house in Montreal and a 4 year old car.

You are correct that you get a lot for your taxes but I think in the long run it evens out between you and the US. We just have more choice in what we get and pay at purchase. Not better just different.


I'm an American living in Canada, it's basically the same.

If you are under 40 you're screwed financially thanks to the Great Recession.

Quebec's economy has recovered since the 80 when they went all culture war francophone and the corporate HQs moved to Mississauga, on.

/oh and we're at the tail end of a housing boom so housing and rent is expensive
 
2014-08-12 09:59:23 PM  

gopher321: Health care ain't "free".


Came to say this but most people treat it like it is. Thing I love is the subsidies the govt pays doctors to do their jobs. (meet quotas and you get a bonus)
 
2014-08-12 10:01:25 PM  

LoneWolf343: CMYK and PMS: CodeMonkey4Life: CMYK and PMS: You are correct that you get a lot for your taxes but I think in the long run it evens out between you and the US. We just have more choice in what we get and pay at purchase. Not better just different.

It's not primarily a question of choice in spending it's income redistribution.
Prosperous people like me pay higher taxes and have less disposable income than we would in America.
People who do things like work in call centers and restaurants don't have to do without medical care.
I'm happy with that type of trade off.
Poor people don't pay more on taxes than they do on food and shelter, people like me do, and speaking for myself I say the Fraser institute can take their "fark the poor to help the rich" ideology and shove it up their ass.

Poor people in the US pay no taxes except for sales tax. In fact many get what is called an Earned Income Credit and actually get money back at tax time that they never paid in.

https://www.1040.com/federal-taxes/filing-basics/who-must-file/

of course poor is a relative term

If those poor people are working, they are also paying Social Security, Medicare, and FICA taxes, as well as any taxes associated with property, provided they aren't too poor to have any.

I barely make five digits, yet I pay all of those taxes, and I still don't get all of my income tax refunded even after EIC.


Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't FICA the combination of Medicare and Social Security? I think you need a trip down to HR to find out why they are charging you a third tax that doesn't exist. You are correct though this is a tax that I forgot about 6.2%. Now of course you get this all back when you retire but You are correct, the poor do pay 6.2%, unless they are head of household and then the get it back as Earned Income Credit every year.
 
2014-08-12 10:05:16 PM  

Nemo's Brother: If Canada had 30 million illegals in their country, they'd have no health care


If Canadians were taxed at the level claimed in TFA, they would be the ones illegally flooding into the US.
 
hej
2014-08-12 10:19:27 PM  
I'm American and I'm pretty sure I pay more in taxes than I do on food and housing combined, too.
 
2014-08-12 10:43:39 PM  
Ah yes, the Fraser Institute.

Canada's equivalent of the Heritage Foundation: Rightwing thinktank that's always wrong and always pushing some libertarian ideological agenda.
 
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