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2014-08-12 04:06:01 PM  
easy enough
require him to be there ... so that later, there is no possibility that he could use it as an excuse during an appeal

.not that it would be granted, but no point in even opening the door
 
2014-08-12 04:31:19 PM  
Some people pay extra to be called names for an hour.
 
2014-08-12 04:59:23 PM  
What a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shiat.
 
2014-08-12 04:59:38 PM  
I hope the family makes an effort to prepare their finest insults for the occasion.
 
2014-08-12 05:02:34 PM  
Getting a laugh out of the people in the comments who don't seem to know the word "attributes."
 
2014-08-12 05:06:31 PM  
Mazzaglia's girlfriend, Kathryn McDonough, is already serving jail time for hindering prosecution. ...

McDonough first told investigators that Marriott died during rough sex between the two women that involved restraints. After getting immunity from prosecution, McDonough changed her story and said Mazzaglia strangled Marriott, then raped her.


Eh?
 
2014-08-12 05:07:47 PM  
He only has himself to blame.

He could have raped and murdered someone without a family...

(cough - hookers)

(cough, cough - homeless people)

But did he do that?

No.

He decided to rape and murder someone with people who cared about them.
 
2014-08-12 05:08:23 PM  
"To be sure, the defendant has a constitutional right to be present and can waive that right."


fark that. Waive his right to waive his right, then provide the victim's family with rotten fruit to throw at the farker. Then give them two hours.
 
2014-08-12 05:08:55 PM  

Ambitwistor: What a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shiat.


Stiff-legged?  Is that really a thing?  Don't get me wrong, anything and everything that may be construed as an insult should be levelled at this worthless bag of shiat but I've never come across stiff-legged before.
 
2014-08-12 05:08:57 PM  

orbister: Mazzaglia's girlfriend, Kathryn McDonough, is already serving jail time for hindering prosecution. ...

McDonough first told investigators that Marriott died during rough sex between the two women that involved restraints. After getting immunity from prosecution, McDonough changed her story and said Mazzaglia strangled Marriott, then raped her.

Eh?


For free?!?!?! you know how much I someone has to pay for that???
 
2014-08-12 05:09:22 PM  
So what? As long as he's clearly stated his desire to be in custody elsewhere, his lawyer is there and fully apprised of the client's wishes (and is able to communicate with the client in the event something unforeseen happens), and the sentence comports with law and precedent, nothing is materially affected by his not being there.

There is no right for the family and friends of the victim of a crime to confront the guilty party - it's the justice system, not the revenge system.
 
2014-08-12 05:09:22 PM  

Ambitwistor: What a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shiat.


Just don't ask anyone to go get him and deliver him to your house.  You know how Cousin Eddie gets.
 
2014-08-12 05:10:20 PM  
I want to skip the site that plays a video automatically.
 
2014-08-12 05:12:07 PM  
It's his right not to be present. But, it's also up to the judge to allow or disallow that. Personally, I think he's got about the same chance to be acquitted as missing his sentencing. Who knows though; the judge might allow this, if the judge wants to get crucified this next election cycle that is.

/ yes, I know some judges are appointed. No, I don't know if this judge was. This judge could still get recalled if he/she pissed enough people off
 
2014-08-12 05:12:15 PM  
It's only fair to give this person a choice.
Take your pick:
- An hour of listening to the victim's family and friends in a courtroom
or
- An hour alone with the victim's family and friends in a sealed room somewhere
 
2014-08-12 05:14:58 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: He decided to rape and murder someone with people who cared about them.


I think it was murder then rape. It's a shame he doesn't face execution. Even if he accidentally killed her in a consensual kinky sex game (his story), and not straight up murdered her (ex-girlfriend's story after recieving immunity), we'd be better off without him.
 
2014-08-12 05:15:06 PM  

"For him, he knows the sentencing hearing is going to be an hour-long exercise of him being criticized for his conduct and having to face up to the families of the victims. That's probably why he doesn't want to go," said David Ruoff, former New Hampshire assistant attorney general.


Check out the big brain on Daaaave!
 
2014-08-12 05:15:11 PM  
Yeah, don't care.  He'll get whats coming to him.  The question is a good one though.  I know we'll never hear how this resolves, but I'm curious.
 
2014-08-12 05:16:22 PM  

orbister: Mazzaglia's girlfriend, Kathryn McDonough, is already serving jail time for hindering prosecution. ...

McDonough first told investigators that Marriott died during rough sex between the two women that involved restraints. After getting immunity from prosecution, McDonough changed her story and said Mazzaglia strangled Marriott, then raped her.

Eh?


Yeah sounds like theres alot more to this case. Like why any of that womans testimony should be credible.
 
2014-08-12 05:16:52 PM  

orbister: Mazzaglia's girlfriend, Kathryn McDonough, is already serving jail time for hindering prosecution. ...

McDonough first told investigators that Marriott died during rough sex between the two women that involved restraints. After getting immunity from prosecution, McDonough changed her story and said Mazzaglia strangled Marriott, then raped her.

Eh?


She probably tied to fight, or she sent the cops on a wild goose chase, or she might have tried to destroy evidence after agreeing to flip. Immunity is funny. It's not a "get out of jail free" card; or at least, not really.

/ she could have pissed off the judge too
 
2014-08-12 05:18:16 PM  
Going straight to the part where he gets called biatch
 
2014-08-12 05:20:35 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: "To be sure, the defendant has a constitutional right to be present and can waive that right."


fark that. Waive his right to waive his right, then provide the victim's family with rotten fruit to throw at the farker. Then give them two hours.


And razor blades for the apples.
 
2014-08-12 05:20:44 PM  

runescorpio: orbister: Mazzaglia's girlfriend, Kathryn McDonough, is already serving jail time for hindering prosecution. ...

McDonough first told investigators that Marriott died during rough sex between the two women that involved restraints. After getting immunity from prosecution, McDonough changed her story and said Mazzaglia strangled Marriott, then raped her.

Eh?

Yeah sounds like theres alot more to this case. Like why any of that womans testimony should be credible.


Where's alot?

/ can't be obscure
 
2014-08-12 05:21:43 PM  
So, will they gag him rather than kick him out of the court, if he sits there making fart noises?
 
2014-08-12 05:23:28 PM  
Getting fat on prison food?  That takes commitment.
 
2014-08-12 05:23:34 PM  
It all seems kind of pointless anyway. He's not getting out for a long time. Is it really necessary to have the victim's family voice their grief in what is ultimately unproductive and only serves to sensationalize the proceedings? We're trying to serve justice, not pander to some low common denominator here.
 
2014-08-12 05:24:06 PM  

dfenstrate: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: He decided to rape and murder someone with people who cared about them.

I think it was murder then rape. It's a shame he doesn't face execution. Even if he accidentally killed her in a consensual kinky sex game (his story), and not straight up murdered her (ex-girlfriend's story after recieving immunity), we'd be better off without him.


Is it rape if the person is already dead?
 
2014-08-12 05:26:19 PM  
Oooo, they are going to give him such a tongue lashing!
 
2014-08-12 05:30:03 PM  

Dr Dreidel: it's the justice system, not the revenge system.


Thank you for pointing that out. With a little luck some of the more bloodthirsty folks in here will take note of it.
 
2014-08-12 05:33:00 PM  
Strangled, then raped...?
He did it wrong.
 
2014-08-12 05:35:08 PM  
Back in my day, people waited until farkers actually made violent comments before calling them "bloodthirsty" and "out for revenge." Sticks and stones.
 
2014-08-12 05:35:10 PM  

Empty H: dfenstrate: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: He decided to rape and murder someone with people who cared about them.

I think it was murder then rape. It's a shame he doesn't face execution. Even if he accidentally killed her in a consensual kinky sex game (his story), and not straight up murdered her (ex-girlfriend's story after recieving immunity), we'd be better off without him.

Is it rape if the person is already dead?


Well, according to an episode of "House" i vaguely remember, if you violate a corpse, you've committed "battery" against the estate of the deceased.
 
2014-08-12 05:35:38 PM  

rjakobi: It all seems kind of pointless anyway. He's not getting out for a long time. Is it really necessary to have the victim's family voice their grief in what is ultimately unproductive and only serves to sensationalize the proceedings? We're trying to serve justice, not pander to some low common denominator here.


My grandfather was stabbed 17 times in his apartment, by his upstairs neighbor because "He was old and smelled bad".

My parents were able to voice their despair to the public at large, which my mother says helped her get closure- that she was understood in a public setting by the public at large on how his death affected her.

This is a HUGE part of justice- that the convicted hear *exactly* how their choice to commit the crime they did affected others who were not directly involved with the crime, and to give the victims a place to air their grievances.
 
2014-08-12 05:36:38 PM  
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2014-08-12 05:42:40 PM  
I would also like to point out that the airing of grievances by the victims is not to be used as a forum to bash the criminal- that can get you kicked out of court for contempt.
It is a forum designed to honor the memory of the victim, and explain what the loss of that person means to you and the family.
 
2014-08-12 05:45:05 PM  

Rawhead Rex: Strangled, then raped...?
He did it wrong.


upload.wikimedia.org


Disagrees
 
2014-08-12 05:46:53 PM  

The Great EZE: Back in my day, people waited until farkers actually made violent comments before calling them "bloodthirsty" and "out for revenge." Sticks and stones.


7 posts in for throwing fruit at him, 14 for having the family beat him up.
 
2014-08-12 05:48:43 PM  

spawn73: So, will they gag him rather than kick him out of the court, if he sits there making fart noises?


He CAN, I guess, create enough of a disturbance they have to remove him. It's not like a contempt cite will hurt him at this point.
 
2014-08-12 05:48:54 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Getting a laugh out of the people in the comments who don't seem to know the word "attributes."


Was he symbolically cast in a  bad light?

/Not obscure.
 
2014-08-12 05:50:46 PM  
It's a pointless and prejudicial part of trial anyway.

Not like calling the killer names brings the dead person back. But hey moral victory and "closure", the all important self created state of coming to peace with something that you'll never actually be at peace with.
 
2014-08-12 05:56:41 PM  
So he doesn't want to show up to his own actual roast? That sucks, but apparently he has the right not to attend, and until he doesn't have that right.. I guess he doesn't have to show up.
 
2014-08-12 05:57:41 PM  
copsandcourts.com
Request denied!
 
2014-08-12 05:57:51 PM  

Ambitwistor: What a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shiat.


That's some good egg nog.
 
2014-08-12 06:03:54 PM  

The Great EZE: Back in my day, people waited until farkers actually made violent comments before calling them "bloodthirsty" and "out for revenge." Sticks and stones.


So, guys, The Great EZE is a victim of this thread. So if you farkers who dared to be libtarded about the justice system don't mind getting into that box over there, he's going to talk to you for an hour on how you just his feelings.
 
2014-08-12 06:08:07 PM  

Dr Dreidel: So what? As long as he's clearly stated his desire to be in custody elsewhere, his lawyer is there and fully apprised of the client's wishes (and is able to communicate with the client in the event something unforeseen happens), and the sentence comports with law and precedent, nothing is materially affected by his not being there.

There is no right for the family and friends of the victim of a crime to confront the guilty party - it's the justice system, not the revenge system.


These things are circuses conducted by vote-seeking prosecutors to inflame emotion and portray themselves as heroic avengers of the wronged. They are bullshiat, they are peripheral, unnecessary to, and prejudicial to the justice system - and they should be stopped.
Not that any politician would have the guts, in today's victimized, sob-sister social climate.
Defense attorneys need to nut up and start declining their client's participation i these disgraceful and meaningless displays. If nobody shows up, they'll quit doing it.
 
2014-08-12 06:15:27 PM  
Seth Mazzaglia was convicted June 27 of first-degree murder and other felonies in the death of Elizabeth "Lizzi" Marriott, of Westborough, Massachusetts. Prosecutors said he strangled then raped the 19-year-old Marriott in his Dover apartment after she rebuffed his sexual advances.

/I'm usually for the death penalty, when they have proof beyond a doubt. DNA, whatever. But this tool, ya...i think i would be happier knowing that he would be thrown in general population where he would be passed around for a pack of smokes, becoming everyone's biatch. Or just having the shiat beat out of him every day. Why not tape what the parents have to say, and play it for him every night for the rest of his life? That would work for me.
 
2014-08-12 06:18:12 PM  

rjakobi: It all seems kind of pointless anyway. He's not getting out for a long time. Is it really necessary to have the victim's family voice their grief in what is ultimately unproductive and only serves to sensationalize the proceedings? We're trying to serve justice, not pander to some low common denominator here.


/It gives the family, who feels a need to have some tangible part of seeing justice done, a chance to spit out the hatred and anger they feel over their little girl being raped and murdered.  Closure.  Say your piece, and perhaps that will help them emotionally.  I have no problem with this.
 
2014-08-12 06:23:23 PM  

Jack Lambert's Missing Teeth: It's a pointless and prejudicial part of trial anyway.

Not like calling the killer names brings the dead person back. But hey moral victory and "closure", the all important self created state of coming to peace with something that you'll never actually be at peace with.


THIS.

"Victim impact" statements don't have any place in any part of the trial, Payne v. Tennessee was wrongly decided.  Let them take that to the media after the trial is over, it shouldn't be used in sentencing.  The only part the victim or family should play in sentencing is when they're making a claim for restitution.
 
2014-08-12 06:27:44 PM  
I don't blame him. Those victim impact statements are a bunch of bullshiat. I'm guessing for every criminal who feels a twinge of guilt, there are 10 who don't give a shiat and in fact are proud of the fact that the victim or victim's family is devastated by the crime. They probably enjoy the feeling of badassery and take that into prison with them to burnish their street cred or whatever. If they care at all, which I doubt.

Sociopaths don't care that they hurt you. They don't feel guilt. You aren't anything to them. You are no more important to them than a potted plant in the lobby of an office building.
 
2014-08-12 06:35:02 PM  

GreenAdder: Some people pay extra to be called names for an hour.


I like the cut of your jib.
 
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