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(New York Daily News)   The costumed miscreants that plague Times Square and try to bully unsuspecting tourists into giving them tips for photographs are hoping to form a union, which would make it virtually impossible to ban them   (nydailynews.com) divider line 166
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2014-08-12 11:04:03 AM  
can someone caption the picture with the two Elmos "penis goes where?" for me, please?

I'm on mobile and can't post images.
 
2014-08-12 11:04:34 AM  
A major concern for Nickelodeon and Marvel and other media corps is how these people are wearing unlicensed costumes.  Yes, they're making money off these properties, which is bad enough, but more to the point, their bad behavior - groping ladies, making kids cry, punching cops - can affect these brands.

If they unionize, they have to get their names out there on a list, and suddenly they'll get sued by teams of lawyers.  Or, they'll wind up having to pay licensing fees, which can be very expensive, and probably have to be vetted in some way.  I don't think they've thought this through.
 
2014-08-12 11:04:36 AM  

triptheory: Nabb1: AlwaysRightBoy: what_now: AlwaysRightBoy: No self respecting New Yorker goes near Times Square. Who cares, let them feast on the tourists.

/thug it up as a union, even better

I go to NY maybe once or twice a year, and am most certainly a tourist. I have zero desire to go near Times Square.

I see people wandering our the touristy parts of my city taking pictures and tipping the guy in revolutionary war gear, the gold painted gargoyle, the dance troupe, the street magician etc etc.

It doesn't hurt me even a little bit.

There's a million other things to see and do.

New York's alright if you like saxophones.

New York's alright if you want to get mugged or murdered.


I do hear it is alright if you like art and jazz...
 
2014-08-12 11:05:38 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I've never been to New York, nor really had the desire to visit.
Truthfully; is it worth the time to to check it out?


I've never been there, but the only thing that really sounds appealing are the museums. I might take in a show, just to say that I have, but otherwise I have no desire to go to tourist traps like the Statue of Liberty, Time Square, the Empire State Building, or the WTC. I guess people also go there for shopping, but I hate shopping. I should get to NYC at some point in my life, but I'm not in a hurry. Plus the locals will probably treat me like a rustic rube, which dampens the appeal.
 
2014-08-12 11:05:44 AM  

Nabb1: New York's alright if you like saxophones.


Damn straight.

/New Yorker
//Saxophonist
 
2014-08-12 11:06:10 AM  

abhorrent1: Welll maybe you can't ban them, but you could still punch them, right?


THAT'S MY PURSE; I DON'T KNOW YOU!

// not really a punchy-punchy kind of guy, but as soon as a stranger touches you, you can flip them for real, right?
 
2014-08-12 11:07:04 AM  

Tom_Slick: Skarekrough: LemSkroob: I wonder if the trademark owners (Disney et al) will be more inclined to put the hammer down if they are trying to go legit.

Considering how many of the corporations have benefited by the cleaning up of that area I can see how some trademark enforcement would make this all go away.

Right now, there is little the corporations can do, there is a fair use argument. If they were to form a union though they would then be classified as a for profit organization and be subject to licensing fees.


How is it fair use when they're profitting off the costumes?
 
2014-08-12 11:08:19 AM  
Kick A Superhero In The Nuts Today for Freedom™
 
2014-08-12 11:10:01 AM  
No. Just no. They're just like the immigrants in Montmartre, France who approach and start tying a friendship bracelet in your wrist like it's some kind of neat trick. The trick' of course' is when you can't remove it, so you're on the hook to pay. Fark these costumed grifters.
 
2014-08-12 11:10:51 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: James!

The only guy I've taken a picture of and tipped was cat on head guy.


???

[farm6.staticflickr.com image 460x460]


37.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-08-12 11:14:07 AM  

jaylectricity: Who are they forming a union against? Unions work because of power of numbers. Many employees, one owner. In this case they would be going up against the general public with nothing to offer but novelty photographs.


Do pickpockets have a union?
 
2014-08-12 11:14:17 AM  

triptheory: Nabb1: AlwaysRightBoy: what_now: AlwaysRightBoy: No self respecting New Yorker goes near Times Square. Who cares, let them feast on the tourists.

/thug it up as a union, even better

I go to NY maybe once or twice a year, and am most certainly a tourist. I have zero desire to go near Times Square.

I see people wandering our the touristy parts of my city taking pictures and tipping the guy in revolutionary war gear, the gold painted gargoyle, the dance troupe, the street magician etc etc.

It doesn't hurt me even a little bit.

There's a million other things to see and do.

New York's alright if you like saxophones.

New York's alright if you want to get mugged or murdered.


You live in Dallas.
 
2014-08-12 11:14:18 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: I'm still completely lost on why this is a thing for tourists to begin with.


Despite the condemnation of Times Square among everyone here, it's a huge draw.  In a city so tightly packed it's one of those spots where you turn the corner to and it just opens up in a way that's hard to describe.  With it being featured so prominently in media, movies and everything else it's just something you kind of need to see once in your life, even if to say you saw it and that's it.

The costumed miscreants prey upon that.  They know people will be stopping to take pictures and they use that opportunity to be available, to insert themselves into the situation, to be pushy and get into it.  They prey upon what a polite society just doesn't do and the anonymity of wearing a costume to weasel their way in and then go for tips or fees or whatever else they want to call it.  In a sense it's a combination of panhandling and a good low-end grift.  They'll make a scene to get what they want and have no qualms about lying or being rude about it.

About 15 years ago I was in New Orleans on my Honeymoon.  Where me and the Missus were staying there was one road that we would walk that lead to most of the destinations we were heading to.  The first night there this guy stops us and does his thing....it's essentially preying on people's nature to be polite and their inevitable desire to just get them to go away, which usually costs a few bucks at his suggestion.  He makes balloon hats or whatever and asks questions and tells stories, and it's usually about 10 minutes of your time you'll never get back.

He hit us the first night and I watched him nail two other couples later that night.

The second night he steps up and starts the schpeil.  He preys upon folks unwillingness to be less than polite in a foreign city and the impression you're unwilling to show to the other person you're with.  A minute in I hand him a buck and told him to keep the hat.  He takes it and walks away without any fuss.

The third night he starts up and I just finally snapped and yelled "Would you just fark off already?"  He acted all outraged and waylaid my uncouth behavior into nailing the couple that were walking behind us.

It's a scam.  The people that do it are manipulating you.  They're preying upon politeness and the fact that you're not going to be in that city very long and want to make the most of it and wasting your time and not wanting to create a scene or piss off a local.
 
2014-08-12 11:15:03 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: No. Just no. They're just like the immigrants in Montmartre, France who approach and start tying a friendship bracelet in your wrist like it's some kind of neat trick. The trick' of course' is when you can't remove it, so you're on the hook to pay. Fark these costumed grifters.


Or when the one guy is tying it on the other is picking your pocket.
 
2014-08-12 11:15:44 AM  
I hope this goes all Matewan and then send in some Pinkertons to crush some skulls.
 
2014-08-12 11:15:54 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: No. Just no. They're just like the immigrants in Montmartre, France who approach and start tying a friendship bracelet in your wrist like it's some kind of neat trick. The trick' of course' is when you can't remove it, so you're on the hook to pay. Fark these costumed grifters.


You are in no way on the hook to pay. A small penknife does wonders and leaves a look on their face that is priceless.
 
2014-08-12 11:16:54 AM  
1. Terrible Idea On Their Part -- A single entity is far easier to legally fight, than a multitude of independents/franchisees.  Not only for the city, but for the Rights' Holders of the costumes they wear/knock off.  As soon as you set yourself up as the sole representative of dodgy-costumed freaks, the lawyers will come knocking.

2. Organizing Would Be An Improvement -- A union/guild/associations isn't going to allow any tom, dick or harry to put on a knock-off muppet costume and edge in on "their" territory.  They're also not going to tolerate someone with a bad attitude or running any side graft.  The natural inclination of the organization would be to thin out the number of "performers", standardize the experience and bounce any bad apples. Simply: they'll collectively optimize for tourists desires/dollars, which is going to involve doing a lot of the things people want done anyway.  It'll still piss off the locals, but what about Times Square doesn't piss off the locals?
 
2014-08-12 11:19:03 AM  
Next target should be the tour bus operators.
 
2014-08-12 11:19:25 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Tom_Slick: Skarekrough: LemSkroob: I wonder if the trademark owners (Disney et al) will be more inclined to put the hammer down if they are trying to go legit.

Considering how many of the corporations have benefited by the cleaning up of that area I can see how some trademark enforcement would make this all go away.

Right now, there is little the corporations can do, there is a fair use argument. If they were to form a union though they would then be classified as a for profit organization and be subject to licensing fees.

How is it fair use when they're profitting off the costumes?


Because, their claim has always been that tips are optional, despite the stories to contrary, which is why the NYPD has put up these signs. The minute they form a union that argument goes out the window.
 
2014-08-12 11:19:32 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: James!

The only guy I've taken a picture of and tipped was cat on head guy.


???

[farm6.staticflickr.com image 460x460]


Morripussy?
 
2014-08-12 11:20:03 AM  

Skarekrough: HotWingConspiracy: I'm still completely lost on why this is a thing for tourists to begin with.

Despite the condemnation of Times Square among everyone here, it's a huge draw.  In a city so tightly packed it's one of those spots where you turn the corner to and it just opens up in a way that's hard to describe.  With it being featured so prominently in media, movies and everything else it's just something you kind of need to see once in your life, even if to say you saw it and that's it.

The costumed miscreants prey upon that.  They know people will be stopping to take pictures and they use that opportunity to be available, to insert themselves into the situation, to be pushy and get into it.  They prey upon what a polite society just doesn't do and the anonymity of wearing a costume to weasel their way in and then go for tips or fees or whatever else they want to call it.  In a sense it's a combination of panhandling and a good low-end grift.  They'll make a scene to get what they want and have no qualms about lying or being rude about it.

About 15 years ago I was in New Orleans on my Honeymoon.  Where me and the Missus were staying there was one road that we would walk that lead to most of the destinations we were heading to.  The first night there this guy stops us and does his thing....it's essentially preying on people's nature to be polite and their inevitable desire to just get them to go away, which usually costs a few bucks at his suggestion.  He makes balloon hats or whatever and asks questions and tells stories, and it's usually about 10 minutes of your time you'll never get back.

He hit us the first night and I watched him nail two other couples later that night.

The second night he steps up and starts the schpeil.  He preys upon folks unwillingness to be less than polite in a foreign city and the impression you're unwilling to show to the other person you're with.  A minute in I hand him a buck and told him to keep the hat.  He takes it and walks away without any fuss.

The third night he starts up and I just finally snapped and yelled "Would you just fark off already?"  He acted all outraged and waylaid my uncouth behavior into nailing the couple that were walking behind us.

It's a scam.  The people that do it are manipulating you.  They're preying upon politeness and the fact that you're not going to be in that city very long and want to make the most of it and wasting your time and not wanting to create a scene or piss off a local.


Sounds like you were a slow learner. Let me give you and everyone else here a tip a learned from living in Memphis, TN. Nothing good ever comes of someone walking up to you on the street. If someone says "hey" or anything else don't even register you heard something unless you want bums cadging for change with sad sack stories or scams, pick your poison.
 
2014-08-12 11:20:53 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: triptheory: Nabb1: AlwaysRightBoy: what_now: AlwaysRightBoy: No self respecting New Yorker goes near Times Square. Who cares, let them feast on the tourists.

/thug it up as a union, even better

I go to NY maybe once or twice a year, and am most certainly a tourist. I have zero desire to go near Times Square.

I see people wandering our the touristy parts of my city taking pictures and tipping the guy in revolutionary war gear, the gold painted gargoyle, the dance troupe, the street magician etc etc.

It doesn't hurt me even a little bit.

There's a million other things to see and do.

New York's alright if you like saxophones.

New York's alright if you want to get mugged or murdered.

You live in Dallas.


I do.

I also listen to music.
 
2014-08-12 11:20:57 AM  
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I prefer when they had the pimps and the CHUD
 
2014-08-12 11:22:27 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: No. Just no. They're just like the immigrants in Montmartre, France who approach and start tying a friendship bracelet in your wrist like it's some kind of neat trick. The trick' of course' is when you can't remove it, so you're on the hook to pay.


Experienced that a few months ago for the first time in ten years, I couldn't believe how much of that is going on now. It was cool when all a once some secret signal happened and all of them just up and started running, and a few seconds later the gendarmes came flying through on bikes, with billy clubs.
 
2014-08-12 11:23:11 AM  

yequalsy: I've not bothered visiting Times Square since they "cleaned" it up. Sounds to me like it was better with all the whores, skunk pussies, buggers, queens, fairies, dopers, and junkies.


You forgot the rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shiat-kickers and Methodists.
 
2014-08-12 11:25:43 AM  

cgraves67: I should get to NYC at some point in my life, but I'm not in a hurry. Plus the locals will probably treat me like a rustic rube, which dampens the appeal.


As long as you don't block the sidewalk, we'll treat you well.
 
2014-08-12 11:26:51 AM  

machodonkeywrestler: rzrwiresunrise: No. Just no. They're just like the immigrants in Montmartre, France who approach and start tying a friendship bracelet in your wrist like it's some kind of neat trick. The trick' of course' is when you can't remove it, so you're on the hook to pay. Fark these costumed grifters.

You are in no way on the hook to pay. A small penknife does wonders and leaves a look on their face that is priceless.


Having lived in Montmartre for several years until recently, I find the best tactic is to just keep walking, optimally punctuated by bellowing "Casse-toi, espèce de con!" as you pass.

/it means "fark off, you farking coont" in French
 
2014-08-12 11:27:03 AM  

machodonkeywrestler: rzrwiresunrise: No. Just no. They're just like the immigrants in Montmartre, France who approach and start tying a friendship bracelet in your wrist like it's some kind of neat trick. The trick' of course' is when you can't remove it, so you're on the hook to pay. Fark these costumed grifters.

You are in no way on the hook to pay. A small penknife does wonders and leaves a look on their face that is priceless.


I'll have to remember that...
 
2014-08-12 11:28:11 AM  

give me doughnuts: yequalsy: I've not bothered visiting Times Square since they "cleaned" it up. Sounds to me like it was better with all the whores, skunk pussies, buggers, queens, fairies, dopers, and junkies.

You forgot the rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shiat-kickers and Methodists.


A hive of scum and villainy...?
 
2014-08-12 11:30:48 AM  

Fano: Nothing good ever comes of someone walking up to you on the street.


Bought my first Les Paul in the 80's for $50 from a guy that saw my concert t-shirt and long hair.  Just cold walked up to me on Comm Ave.  I thought it was probably stolen so I went and checked with the Boston PD.  No one had reported it.  I checked every few weeks for a few months.  It never came up.

I've played that axe through high school and college.  When I barely had a dime to my name it put money in my pocket from gigs, offered me solace and therapy in tough times and has recorded on a few albums over the years.  It put me on stages I never thought I would make it on and in places I never thought I would get to.

So, yeah.  No.

I don't discredit the fact that you may get hustled.  I could have that day, and I was fully willing to take the risk.  But I also think that there are alot of people having a rough go of it and for the trouble of a quick word or kind gesture it's not so taxing.

Sorry your city sucks so bad that you can't risk engaging someone in conversation.
 
2014-08-12 11:31:54 AM  

poot_rootbeer: cgraves67: I should get to NYC at some point in my life, but I'm not in a hurry. Plus the locals will probably treat me like a rustic rube, which dampens the appeal.

As long as you don't block the sidewalk, we'll treat you well.


The one that pisses me off the most isn't really the sidewalk blockers, because you can usually get past them.

What really pisses me off, and mind you, this isn't limited to tourists:

farkheads who stop at the top of the subways stair to check their phone when leaving the subway.

And,

farkheads who stop at the top of the subway stairs to check their phone before entering the subway.

I usually say very loudly:  "There are a hundred better places for you to stop and stand, find one please"
 
2014-08-12 11:32:32 AM  

JerseyTim: Fark the Naked Cowgirls and the painted naked showgirls, too


cdn.hotstockmarket.com
 
2014-08-12 11:33:37 AM  

yequalsy: I've not bothered visiting Times Square since they "cleaned" it up. Sounds to me like it was better with all the whores, skunk pussies, buggers, queens, fairies, dopers, and junkies.


Someday a real rain gentrification will come and wash all this scum off the streets.
 
2014-08-12 11:35:03 AM  

cgraves67: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I've never been to New York, nor really had the desire to visit.
Truthfully; is it worth the time to to check it out?

I've never been there, but the only thing that really sounds appealing are the museums. I might take in a show, just to say that I have, but otherwise I have no desire to go to tourist traps like the Statue of Liberty, Time Square, the Empire State Building, or the WTC. I guess people also go there for shopping, but I hate shopping. I should get to NYC at some point in my life, but I'm not in a hurry. Plus the locals will probably treat me like a rustic rube, which dampens the appeal.


The museums in Detroit and Toronto are nicer than NYC. Not that much smaller and way, way less crowded. I've been to the natural museum of history in NYC multiple times and the museum exhibits themselves are fossilized. They're so classic they never change them, never update, add, etc. (Except for the special exhibits which they want to charge more money for). The metropolitan museum of art is so crowded they will have three or for paintings on top of each other such that you can't look at them properly, plus people almost shoulder to shoulder. The crowded pushy atmosphere does not make for an art appreciation mood. Maybe if you're interested in one of the lesser museums, but the main ones are way over crowded. If you must go, be there on a weekday morning when it opens and hit the most popular stuff first to avoid the crowds.
 
2014-08-12 11:35:08 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: James!

The only guy I've taken a picture of and tipped was cat on head guy.


???

[farm6.staticflickr.com image 460x460]


Came in to say your photo is not lost on me (even garnered a "HA!" and a smirk.)
 
2014-08-12 11:35:13 AM  
A female friend of mine had this happen in Vegas recently. "Spider man"  photobombed her picture, then started hitting her up for a few bucks. She told him to fark off and that he should pay her for privilege of taking a picture with her. Apparently he laughed it off and kept moving along. She said some other tourist did not come out so well and that the costumed a-holes would keep hassling them until they got a few bucks.

/csb
 
2014-08-12 11:37:54 AM  

tripleseven: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I've never been to New York, nor really had the desire to visit.
Truthfully; is it worth the time to to check it out?

It's awful, stay where you are.


Actually am in Paris at the moment, so I would be more then happy to stay where I am. Unfortunately, I will be leaving for the Netherlands shortly. Not to slight the Netherlands, it is also a lovely place. It's just not Paris.
 
2014-08-12 11:38:11 AM  

tripleseven: poot_rootbeer: cgraves67: I should get to NYC at some point in my life, but I'm not in a hurry. Plus the locals will probably treat me like a rustic rube, which dampens the appeal.

As long as you don't block the sidewalk, we'll treat you well.

The one that pisses me off the most isn't really the sidewalk blockers, because you can usually get past them.

What really pisses me off, and mind you, this isn't limited to tourists:

farkheads who stop at the top of the subways stair to check their phone when leaving the subway.

And,

farkheads who stop at the top of the subway stairs to check their phone before entering the subway.

I usually say very loudly:  "There are a hundred better places for you to stop and stand, find one please"


I dislike the groups of tourists who clump up at one end of the subway platform, near the single exit/entrance, making everyone else walk along the edge of the platform near the tracks.

To say nothing of those who walk around in the Métro wearing gigantic trekking-style frame backpacks, that smack into someone every time they turn around.

It's like people go on vacation and they stop paying attention to their surroundings, like the part of their brain that handles spatial awareness has shriveled up and fallen out through their ears while they were on the plane.
 
2014-08-12 11:40:03 AM  

tripleseven: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I've never been to New York, nor really had the desire to visit.
Truthfully; is it worth the time to to check it out?

It's awful, stay where you are.


It's like Vegas, it's fun for about 3 days. I had fun at some out of the way bars, but it didn't change my life or anything.
 
2014-08-12 11:44:48 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: The trick' of course' is when you can't remove it, so you're on the hook to pay.


Really? Under what law?

It's generally assumed in a contract that the party with more information bears the burden of a misunderstanding in terms. My understanding is that it was free. Your move.

\This is where the assumption that all Americans are armed comes in handy.
 
2014-08-12 11:47:23 AM  

tripleseven: farkheads who stop at the top of the subway stairs to check their phone before entering the subway.

I usually say very loudly: "There are a hundred better places for you to stop and stand, find one please"


If you just shove them down the stairs they'll never make that mistake again.

\instead, they'll block the handicapped elevator
 
2014-08-12 11:49:16 AM  
thedroidyourelookingfor.files.wordpress.com

"For the greater good..."
 
2014-08-12 11:50:18 AM  

triptheory: New York's alright if you want to get mugged or murdered.


I always enjoy hearing from people who base their opinion about New York on movies set in the 1970s.
 
2014-08-12 11:50:43 AM  
I think we're all missing the point here...

FTA:Claudia Arias, 22, who was dressed as Catwoman

We'll need to see some photographic evidence.
 
2014-08-12 11:56:18 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: triptheory: New York's alright if you want to get mugged or murdered.

I always enjoy hearing from people who base their opinion about New York on movies set in the 1970s.


You need to base them on 80's comedies.

cromwell-intl.com
 
2014-08-12 11:56:53 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: jaylectricity: Who are they forming a union against? Unions work because of power of numbers. Many employees, one owner. In this case they would be going up against the general public with nothing to offer but novelty photographs.

I vote we let them unionize. Then we refuse their demands. Then they'll have no choice but to strike.


static1.fjcdn.com
 
2014-08-12 11:58:27 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: jaylectricity: Who are they forming a union against? Unions work because of power of numbers. Many employees, one owner. In this case they would be going up against the general public with nothing to offer but novelty photographs.

I vote we let them unionize. Then we refuse their demands. Then they'll have no choice but to strike.


i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-08-12 12:00:39 PM  

Skarekrough: "The costumed characters who have overrun Times Square, posing for pictures with tourists, say they're just trying to make an honest buck, and hope for warmer, fuzzier treatment from the city and its police force. "

It's the NYPD.  Considering the level of annoyance they cause they should be thankful they get to walk home at the end of the day under their own power.


They're not making honest bucks, though. That's how the conflicts start. People don't realize they want money and the beggars know that. They only demand money after the picture is taken.
 
2014-08-12 12:00:58 PM  

big pig peaches: can someone caption the picture with the two Elmos "penis goes where?" for me, please?

I'm on mobile and can't post images.


No. Do your dumb idea when you get home
 
2014-08-12 12:03:12 PM  

tripleseven: poot_rootbeer: cgraves67: I should get to NYC at some point in my life, but I'm not in a hurry. Plus the locals will probably treat me like a rustic rube, which dampens the appeal.

As long as you don't block the sidewalk, we'll treat you well.

The one that pisses me off the most isn't really the sidewalk blockers, because you can usually get past them.

What really pisses me off, and mind you, this isn't limited to tourists:

farkheads who stop at the top of the subways stair to check their phone when leaving the subway.

And,

farkheads who stop at the top of the subway stairs to check their phone before entering the subway.

I usually say very loudly:  "There are a hundred better places for you to stop and stand, find one please"


Those guys are as bad as the snowboarders who decide to strap in right at the bottom of the chairlift.
 
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