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(Politico)   Obama is sending mixed messages. One day he tells me he loves me, then the next he drones my wife. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT *sobs*   (politico.com ) divider line
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2014-08-12 08:36:51 AM  
FTFA: "U.S. efforts to arm the Kurds as well as airdrop food and water to Yazidis took a few weeks to carry out. In Syria, it's taken three years just to talk about arming the rebels in any substantial way, but seeming halfhearted way," said Andrew Tabler, a senior fellow with the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

Who is apparently profoundly stupid. There are any number of conflicts raging all over the world at any given time, and the U.S. is never intervening in all of them simultaneously. Its as if perhaps the Presidency sees certain forms of engagement as productive in certain regions and not others. Mr.Tabler might as well wring his hands over why the U.S. didn't militarily invade Russia over the Crimea, Zimbabwe over Mugabe and Myanmar over the Rohingya slaughter. Aren't think tank people supposed to be at leasts one step above college poli-sci and history majors?
 
2014-08-12 08:40:07 AM  

Somacandra: Aren't think tank people supposed to be at leasts one step above college poli-sci and history majors?


nope, they just think about tanks all day and how awesome it would be to use them. They really aren't smarter.

/The think tank industry really ruin the whole idea of governing
 
2014-08-12 09:15:16 AM  
It's almost as if there is a difference between being asked by a government to help fight militants attempting a takeover and siding against the established government in a civil war.
 
2014-08-12 09:26:55 AM  
Russia is about to invade Ukraine, so we're probably going to find out some answers to the questions raised by TFA pretty soon.

We'll probably do nothing but biatch about it & put more economic sanctions on Russia. Which really will put the hurt on them long term but look kinda weak in the short term.

It will get even more interesting if Putin decides to deny U.S. astronauts a ride to the ISS in retaliation. What then?
 
2014-08-12 09:33:24 AM  
How is that a mixed message? he tells you he loves you and the kills your wife. Clearly, he's eliminated the one obstacle so that you can be together. Go to him!
 
2014-08-12 09:34:06 AM  

kbronsito: How is that a mixed message? he tells you he loves you and the kills your wife. Clearly, he's eliminated the one obstacle so that you can be together. Go to him!


or "droning your wife" is an entirely different metaphor altogether
 
2014-08-12 09:41:56 AM  
You see, Subby, not all foreign conflicts are precisely the same.  Unfortunately simpletons like you exist in our government, and further complicate our ability to respond intelligently.

/looking at you, mccain
 
2014-08-12 10:40:32 AM  

kbronsito: How is that a mixed message? he tells you he loves you and the kills your wife. Clearly, he's eliminated the one obstacle so that you can be together. Go to him!


Broke Barack Mountain.

President Barack Obama isn't just grappling with what feels like an endless foreign policy nightmare around the world. Now he's got one hell of a messaging problem at home. The United States will not intervene in foreign crises directly - or indirectly by supplying weapons and assistance - except when it does. Obama needs explicit authorization and funding from Congress in order to escalate American involvement in ongoing conflicts around the world - except when he doesn't.

War on Terror. Congress passed that crappy NDAA bill now you the people who both elected him and Congress can STFU. Also I'm pretty sure he didn't want ISIS to blow up that Mosul Dam and f*ck up the whole country.

Also, quite frankly Bush started this mess. Once again Obama is playing cleanup. There's nothing wrong with his message in my mind.
 
2014-08-12 11:38:48 AM  
The reason the Syrians took 3 years to arm is because Obama wanted to carefully vet the groups and only give arms to those Syrians who would use them and not sell them to the very people they were to be used against and because Congress were being dicks, of course.

The Kurds are a different kettle of fish entirely. The issue of losing weapons to anti-American groups pretty much doesn't exist with them.

TL,DR? Politico is making shiat up again for clicks and because they suck.
 
2014-08-12 11:46:44 AM  
Bullshiat.  If we had intervened, we'd have been in support of ISIS.  It's not a "mixed message," it's farking complicated, which isn't what idiotic media narratives are.
 
2014-08-12 11:51:52 AM  
Stopped reading at the straw man in the second sentence.
 
2014-08-12 11:52:40 AM  
Considering Obama's Foreign Policy experience is that of a bull in a china shop, I'm not surprised at all the confusion.
What more do you expect from a community organizer?
 
2014-08-12 11:53:16 AM  
off to see what urban dictionary says what the euphamism droning your wife..... Oh MY
 
2014-08-12 11:53:30 AM  

somedude210: kbronsito: How is that a mixed message? he tells you he loves you and the kills your wife. Clearly, he's eliminated the one obstacle so that you can be together. Go to him!

or "droning your wife" is an entirely different metaphor altogether


Did he launch a missile?
 
2014-08-12 11:59:29 AM  
Considering he's the warmonger president I'm also not surprised at the oxymoronic actions.
 
2014-08-12 12:00:11 PM  

DarnoKonrad: Bullshiat.  If we had intervened, we'd have been in support of ISIS.  It's not a "mixed message," it's farking complicated, which isn't what idiotic media narratives are.


If it can't fit on a bumper sticker, I want no part of it!
 
2014-08-12 12:12:23 PM  
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have some food!

American war policy in a nutshell.
 
2014-08-12 12:13:03 PM  
Pimpin' ain't easy ...
 
2014-08-12 12:14:45 PM  

mistrmind: Considering Obama's Foreign Policy experience is that of a bull in a china shop, I'm not surprised at all the confusion.
What more do you expect from a community organizer?


A nearly organized pencil drawer and bloody hell everywhere else
 
2014-08-12 12:17:19 PM  
Welcome to real world politics.
 
2014-08-12 12:20:29 PM  

Riche: It will get even more interesting if Putin decides to deny U.S. astronauts a ride to the ISS in retaliation. What then?


That would destroy Russia's credit irreparably since that's a pre-paid contract.
 
2014-08-12 12:23:37 PM  

pootsie: Did he launch a missile?


I heard it was a bunker buster
 
2014-08-12 12:27:11 PM  

The Bestest: Riche: It will get even more interesting if Putin decides to deny U.S. astronauts a ride to the ISS in retaliation. What then?

That would destroy Russia's credit irreparably since that's a pre-paid contract.


You can't spell ISIS without ISS.

Study it out!
 
2014-08-12 12:29:53 PM  
Summary: Obama doesn't have a policy of do nothing, or have a full scale wars - that confuses us idiots that believe everything can only be a choice between two extremes.
 
2014-08-12 12:32:07 PM  
So, TFA is complaining that Obama is handling Syria and Iraq differently and then at the end outlines how dramatically different the situations are?

This is an outrage?
 
2014-08-12 12:34:21 PM  

JerseyTim: It's almost as if there is a difference between being asked by a government to help fight militants attempting a takeover and siding against the established government in a civil war.


This.
 
2014-08-12 12:34:21 PM  

mistrmind: Considering he's the warmonger president I'm also not surprised at the oxymoronic actions.


Red herring. Go threadjack somewhere else.
 
2014-08-12 12:34:23 PM  
Subby, your wife shouldn't be in Iraq right now. It's pretty dangerous over there, I've heard.
 
2014-08-12 12:35:31 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: mistrmind: Considering he's the warmonger president I'm also not surprised at the oxymoronic actions.

Red herring. Go threadjack somewhere else.


Awwww, the truth hurts doesn't it?
 
2014-08-12 12:37:58 PM  
 
2014-08-12 12:41:43 PM  
warmonger?
 
2014-08-12 12:42:39 PM  
So, basically, he's just like every other president in recent history when it comes to interventionism.

I guess it's fun to pretend he invented the blurry lines he's moving along (because, hey, he's Obama so everything that happened since 1967 must be his fault), but this shiat where the Executive branch just sort of makes up the rules of foreign policy and intervention as it goes has been going on since at least the Korean War and has been this bad since at least Ronny Raygun's years.
 
2014-08-12 12:44:02 PM  
Is this the thread where we finally settle who was actually responsible for withdrawing from Iraq and who didn't want to and who wanted to then but now says they didn't want to and vice versa? So far my scorecard places everyone in all of those categories.
 
2014-08-12 12:46:36 PM  

RanDomino: Is this the thread where we finally settle who was actually responsible for withdrawing from Iraq and who didn't want to and who wanted to then but now says they didn't want to and vice versa? So far my scorecard places everyone in all of those categories.


Bush signed the contract, Obama carried it out.
Both are responsible.
 
2014-08-12 12:49:34 PM  

mistrmind: rzrwiresunrise: mistrmind: Considering he's the warmonger president I'm also not surprised at the oxymoronic actions.

Red herring. Go threadjack somewhere else.

Awwww, the truth hurts doesn't it?


The difference between what he campaigned on and what he's implementing as foreign policy isn't the issue here, nor is the irony of having received the NPP before becoming the Droner-in-Chief.

Now that your argument's been nullified, go back to the kiddie's table. Adults are talking.
 
2014-08-12 12:51:48 PM  

Somacandra: Aren't think tank people supposed to be at leasts one step above college poli-sci and history majors?


Don't insult undergrads like that.
 
2014-08-12 12:54:45 PM  
Don't worry, we will all be fooled again in November of next year.

http://youtu.be/Rp6-wG5LLqE
 
2014-08-12 12:58:19 PM  

mistrmind: Considering Obama's Foreign Policy experience is that of a bull in a china shop, I'm not surprised at all the confusion.
What more do you expect from a community organizer?


Man, this is terribly sloppy trolling. Why don't you bust out the face band aids and chant "drill baby drill" while you're at it. Also, someone just let the dogs out, no clue who.
 
2014-08-12 01:01:11 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: mistrmind: rzrwiresunrise: mistrmind: Considering he's the warmonger president I'm also not surprised at the oxymoronic actions.

Red herring. Go threadjack somewhere else.

Awwww, the truth hurts doesn't it?

The difference between what he campaigned on and what he's implementing as foreign policy isn't the issue here, nor is the irony of having received the NPP before becoming the Droner-in-Chief.

Now that your argument's been nullified, go back to the kiddie's table. Adults are talking.


No, the issue is he is inept at being a leader to say nothing about forming a strong foreign policy to say nothing about just forming a foreign policy period.  Sorry that hurts your sensitive feelings and all.
 
2014-08-12 01:02:41 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: mistrmind: Considering Obama's Foreign Policy experience is that of a bull in a china shop, I'm not surprised at all the confusion.
What more do you expect from a community organizer?

Man, this is terribly sloppy trolling. Why don't you bust out the face band aids and chant "drill baby drill" while you're at it. Also, someone just let the dogs out, no clue who.


Okay, clue us in on Obama's foreign policy.   Go on.   I'm waiting.  [crickets chirping]
 
2014-08-12 01:03:08 PM  

mistrmind: Considering he's the warmonger president I'm also not surprised at the oxymoronic actions.


Have you ever been right about anything? Or is that your way of trying to be funny on Fark, always being wrong?
 
2014-08-12 01:05:39 PM  

Triple Oak: mistrmind: Considering he's the warmonger president I'm also not surprised at the oxymoronic actions.

Have you ever been right about anything? Or is that your way of trying to be funny on Fark, always being wrong?


What am I wrong about?   Wrong about the Peace Prize winner who uses drones for his dirty work, or was I wrong about Obama  the Peace Prize winner who drew a red line on Syria, then blinked soon afterwards, like what most cowards do.
 
2014-08-12 01:07:54 PM  
The irony is that the Dalai Lama won that year's Nobel War Price.
 
2014-08-12 01:09:18 PM  

mr lawson: RanDomino: Is this the thread where we finally settle who was actually responsible for withdrawing from Iraq and who didn't want to and who wanted to then but now says they didn't want to and vice versa? So far my scorecard places everyone in all of those categories.

Bush signed the contract, Obama carried it out.
Both are responsible.


Both are NOT equally responsible. Without Bush, there would be no "contract" to carry out. You don't get to ignore causality in your desperate quest to paint Obama as equally responsible.
 
2014-08-12 01:09:49 PM  

Nurglitch: The irony is that the Dalai Lama won that year's Nobel War Price.


Yeah, but he never got Mother Teresa's Crimes Against Humanity Award.
 
2014-08-12 01:10:04 PM  

mistrmind: Triple Oak: mistrmind: Considering he's the warmonger president I'm also not surprised at the oxymoronic actions.

Have you ever been right about anything? Or is that your way of trying to be funny on Fark, always being wrong?

What am I wrong about?   Wrong about the Peace Prize winner who uses drones for his dirty work, or was I wrong about Obama  the Peace Prize winner who drew a red line on Syria, then blinked soon afterwards, like what most cowards do.


So you are calling him a warmonger and a coward in the same sentence and still expecting to be taken remotely seriously or are you just trolling and hoping someone notices your stupidity and hits you over the nose with a rolled up printout of your guano-psychotic ramblings?

This is a serious question that seriously expects a serious and well thought out response.

/Seriously.
 
2014-08-12 01:12:16 PM  

qorkfiend: mr lawson: RanDomino: Is this the thread where we finally settle who was actually responsible for withdrawing from Iraq and who didn't want to and who wanted to then but now says they didn't want to and vice versa? So far my scorecard places everyone in all of those categories.

Bush signed the contract, Obama carried it out.
Both are responsible.

Both are NOT equally responsible. Without Bush, there would be no "contract" to carry out. You don't get to ignore causality in your desperate quest to paint Obama as equally responsible.


Isn't that the typical liberal response, "It's all BUSH's fault!"     Is there no accountability from Obama?  Seriously, you inherited a mess and if you acted like an adult and cleaned it up, I'd be impressed, but to make the situation worse, then blame your predecessor.  That whiffs of what a five year old would do.   My 10 year old has better critical thinking skills than what the community organizer has.
 
2014-08-12 01:14:18 PM  

quatchi: mistrmind: Triple Oak: mistrmind: Considering he's the warmonger president I'm also not surprised at the oxymoronic actions.

Have you ever been right about anything? Or is that your way of trying to be funny on Fark, always being wrong?

What am I wrong about?   Wrong about the Peace Prize winner who uses drones for his dirty work, or was I wrong about Obama  the Peace Prize winner who drew a red line on Syria, then blinked soon afterwards, like what most cowards do.

So you are calling him a warmonger and a coward in the same sentence and still expecting to be taken remotely seriously or are you just trolling and hoping someone notices your stupidity and hits you over the nose with a rolled up printout of your guano-psychotic ramblings?

This is a serious question that seriously expects a serious and well thought out response.

/Seriously.


That was a poor dodge to my question.  But then again I'd expect someone with an IQ over 90 to at least attempt to give me an answer, even if the answer is wrong.
 
2014-08-12 01:14:40 PM  

mistrmind: Crotchrocket Slim: mistrmind: Considering Obama's Foreign Policy experience is that of a bull in a china shop, I'm not surprised at all the confusion.
What more do you expect from a community organizer?

Man, this is terribly sloppy trolling. Why don't you bust out the face band aids and chant "drill baby drill" while you're at it. Also, someone just let the dogs out, no clue who.

Okay, clue us in on Obama's foreign policy.   Go on.   I'm waiting.  [crickets chirping]


Greenlighting the operation that lead to bin Laden's assassination
Pulling out of the inevitable, unsolvable (but the US) mess that is Iraq
Began the process to get out of a similar quaqmire in Afghanistan
Repair relations with US allies in Europe and Asia
Spearheaded the economic sanctions against Russia in response to Crimea, which is ruining their domestic economy

All off the top of my head without Googling, sorry you're such a lazy, one-note, laughably pathetic GOP shill. At least go with the Krauthammer gimmick of blatantly lying instead of playing the "I'm an ignoramus, so must everyone else on the internet be as well" gimmick, it's old, tired, easy to dismantle and you insult the intelligence of everyone on Fark.

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If you're going to thread dump, at least try to eat something interesting so there's something in the turds you leave behind, instead of posts of nothing but feces
 
2014-08-12 01:14:48 PM  

mistrmind: Triple Oak: mistrmind: Considering he's the warmonger president I'm also not surprised at the oxymoronic actions.

Have you ever been right about anything? Or is that your way of trying to be funny on Fark, always being wrong?

What am I wrong about?   Wrong about the Peace Prize winner who uses drones for his dirty work, or was I wrong about Obama  the Peace Prize winner who drew a red line on Syria, then blinked soon afterwards, like what most cowards do.


He's a warmonger in your eyes (evil tyrant week, I see), but you're advocating war with your remarks. So you agree with him?
 
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