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(CNN)   One in ten Americans say they never trust the government. The other nine still have some trust left, also believe Lucy will actually let Charlie Brown kick the football   (politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com ) divider line
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2014-08-12 08:51:50 AM  
Every day I drink water, use electricity, eat food, drive on roads, and am protected by police.

But I don't trust the government.
 
2014-08-12 08:57:30 AM  
The Government I trust. It's the politicians we need to be wary of.
 
2014-08-12 09:07:49 AM  
www.netbrawl.com
"I believe the words you're looking for are 'oh, good grief'"
 
2014-08-12 10:00:56 AM  
I wonder how many of the 10% that don't trust the govt support the death penalty....
 
2014-08-12 11:18:58 AM  
Well, you voted for them.
 
2014-08-12 11:19:49 AM  
Are these the same people that say they are patriots but want to destroy the nation and kill half of its citizens?
 
2014-08-12 11:20:58 AM  
We should be scared.  Just yesterday a zombie Bin Laden crossed over the Rio Grande.  DOOMED.
 
2014-08-12 11:22:25 AM  
As opposed to submoron who puts all his/her blind trust in the FreeMarket (tm)
 
2014-08-12 11:23:41 AM  
It is appropriate to be leery of the government, to a point. Unfortunately there are those who cultivate mistrust of government for various reasons, and their effect is corrosive.
 
2014-08-12 11:27:28 AM  

hiker9999: As opposed to submoron who puts all his/her blind trust in the FreeMarket (tm)


The market is an amazing tool which, when used properly, will most often produce good results. The problem is that markets are not the correct tool for every task, and when misused the results will be disappointing. Sadly, the people who most aggressively fetishize the market are generally those who least understand it.
 
2014-08-12 11:27:39 AM  
Don't worry. Once President Rick Perry is sworn in alongside VP Rick Santorum, that 1/10 guy will change his mind.

Let's remember that a lot of them thought Bush Jr was God's Candidate.

"I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
 
2014-08-12 11:28:05 AM  
Whatever.  Post Office, DNR, Medicaid, Social Security, Medicare, FEMA. . . . I have yet to meet a rude person.  Most want to help you get whatever it is you're after.

Banks, insurance salesmen, cable companies, phone companies, . . .almost universally pains in the ass.
 
2014-08-12 11:28:39 AM  

vernonFL: Every day I drink water, use electricity, eat food, drive on roads, and am protected by police.

But I don't trust the government.


Just ask the fine patriotic residents of Ferguson, Mo. how much they trust their government right now.
 
2014-08-12 11:28:51 AM  
Many farkers would rather trust a conspiracy theorist pulling shiat out of his rear for some reason. Or at least think they they understand everything more than everyone else, which to me seems like incredible narcissism. During the storm of Ebola threads in the past couple of weeks it was shocking how often I ran across the phrases, "they're not telling us everything," and "what do they know that we don't know?"
 
2014-08-12 11:29:12 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Are these the same people that say they are patriots but want to destroy the nation and kill half of its citizens?


They don't want to kill half.  Just the 47% that don't pay taxes, like your Grandma and your toddler and that homeless guy over there, but not persons like GE or Exxon.  They are different.  Unique.
 
2014-08-12 11:29:17 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: and kill half of its citizens?


The liberals in the Bundy Threads?
 
2014-08-12 11:29:27 AM  

BMulligan: hiker9999: As opposed to submoron who puts all his/her blind trust in the FreeMarket (tm)

The market is an amazing tool which, when used properly, will most often produce good results. The problem is that markets are not the correct tool for every task, and when misused the results will be disappointing. Sadly, the people who most aggressively fetishize the market are generally those who least understand it.


Exactly.  The market does a great job at giving us the best consumer products, but it does a crappy job of protecting the environment.  The key is recognizing what is best handled by the market, and what is best handled by the government.
 
2014-08-12 11:30:30 AM  

vernonFL: Every day I drink water, use electricity, eat food, drive on roads, and am protected by police.

But I don't trust the government.


The first three are all provided by private corporations. Of the latter two: our roads are crumbling with little hope of long term replacement and our police force is increasing becoming a threat to the very people they are supposed to protect and serve.

But, don't let reality tarnish the fantasy land in which you ignorantly dwell.
 
2014-08-12 11:31:09 AM  
I trust the government... to enact laws that are on the precipice of being outright bad and when they get a good idea to implament it in the worstest way possible.
 
2014-08-12 11:31:33 AM  
Just like I would predict 1 in 10 Americans would never trust corporations?
 
2014-08-12 11:33:00 AM  

Soup4Bonnie: HotWingConspiracy: Are these the same people that say they are patriots but want to destroy the nation and kill half of its citizens?

They don't want to kill half.  Just the 47% that don't pay taxes, like your Grandma and your toddler and that homeless guy over there, but not persons like GE or Exxon.  They are different.  Unique.


Not to mention a fair percentage of the military.
 
2014-08-12 11:34:24 AM  

DarnoKonrad: Whatever.  Post Office, DNR, Medicaid, Social Security, Medicare, FEMA. . . . I have yet to meet a rude person.  Most want to help you get whatever it is you're after.


There are many good folks that work for the government.  Most of them are not in the position to guide policy.

Many bureaucracies have noble goals and many even do a good job.  However, many are also full of fraud and corruption and need a serious overhaul.

Overall, I am of the mind that government is needed, but oversight and transparency is also needed.
 
2014-08-12 11:35:26 AM  
Get all the mind control agents out of your tap water with this one weird trick
 
2014-08-12 11:37:18 AM  
I put my faith in the private sector.  A government death panel can never compete with the ruthless efficiency of the death panel at Blue Cross/Blue Shield.
 
2014-08-12 11:37:19 AM  
You get what you vote for. Don't let the idiocy fool you: your vote DOES count.
 
2014-08-12 11:38:53 AM  

Soup4Bonnie: We should be scared.  Just yesterday a zombie Bin Laden crossed over the Rio Grande.  DOOMED.


media.washtimes.com

BRAINS!!  BRAINS!!!
 
2014-08-12 11:40:31 AM  

Summoner101: Soup4Bonnie: HotWingConspiracy: Are these the same people that say they are patriots but want to destroy the nation and kill half of its citizens?

They don't want to kill half.  Just the 47% that don't pay taxes, like your Grandma and your toddler and that homeless guy over there, but not persons like GE or Exxon.  They are different.  Unique.

Not to mention a fair percentage of the military.


Just the gay or damaged ones.  The whole and straight are Real American Heroes.

Prophet of Loss: The first three are all provided by private corporations.


Not always by private corporations, but always under federal guidelines and standards.
 
2014-08-12 11:41:06 AM  

Rapmaster2000: I put my faith in the private sector.


I put my faith in things that I can directly control.  Putting your faith into anything that you have no control over is setting yourself up for a bad fall.
 
2014-08-12 11:42:07 AM  
Its not that I don't trust our government, its that I don't trust the monied interest that fund our politicians.
 
2014-08-12 11:42:21 AM  

HeadLever: Rapmaster2000: I put my faith in the private sector.

I put my faith in things that I can directly control.  Putting your faith into anything that you have no control over is setting yourself up for a bad fall.


If a death panel won't give me the death I want, then I'll take my business to a competing death panel.
 
2014-08-12 11:42:41 AM  
This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the U.S. Department of Energy.

I then took a shower in the clean water provided by a municipal water utility.

After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC-regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like, using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

I watched this while eating my breakfast of U.S. Department of Agriculture-inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time, as regulated by the U.S. Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the U.S. Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration-approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank.

On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the U.S. Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.

After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and Fire Marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables, thanks to the local police department.

And then I log on to the internet -- which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration -- and post on Fark about how SOCIALISM and TAXES are BAD and the government can't do anything right.
 
2014-08-12 11:43:41 AM  

HeadLever: Rapmaster2000: I put my faith in the private sector.

I put my faith in things that I can directly control.  Putting your faith into anything that you have no control over is setting yourself up for a bad fall.


That's why it's called 'faith', duh.
 
2014-08-12 11:44:17 AM  
"You have to understand that if you seek that office, then you have to be prepared to give your life to it. Essentially, the bargain that I think every President strikes with the American people is, 'you give me this office, then in turn my fears, doubts, insecurities, foibles, need for sleep, family life, vacations, leisure, is gone. I am giving myself to you.'

And the American people should have no patience through whatever's going through your head [i.e., the President's head] because you've got a job to do.


And so how I think about it is, that you don't make that decision unless you are prepared to make that sacrifice."


                                       www.examiner.com

Trustworthy?  No.
 
2014-08-12 11:44:35 AM  

palelizard: That's why it's called 'faith', duh.


And as you can tell, I don't have much of it in this respect, duh.
 
2014-08-12 11:47:55 AM  

Rapmaster2000: HeadLever: Rapmaster2000: I put my faith in the private sector.

I put my faith in things that I can directly control.  Putting your faith into anything that you have no control over is setting yourself up for a bad fall.

If a death panel won't give me the death I want, then I'll take my business to a competing death panel.


If you like your death panel, you can keep your death panel.
 
2014-08-12 11:54:22 AM  
 
2014-08-12 11:55:44 AM  
I trust government as much as I'd trust any bloated hive of middle to upper management flunkies who were all promoted not due to unquestionable merits, but expressly due to politics. I firmly support the "Never attribute to malice what can be more adequately explained by stupidity" school of thought, which explains the actions of our ruling class far better than any tin foil mutterings.
 
2014-08-12 12:02:52 PM  

Stile4aly: the government can't do anything right.


You (and a few others in this thread) seem to be having difficulty distinguishing between not trusting something and not liking the quality or style of their work. Do you also find the idea of an escrow service confusing? Wanting to do business with someone you don't trust is so common that we invented a type of hired service that specifically handles this type of transaction.

The strange part is that we don't have some type of escrow protection for all the money we invest in the government. Well, we used to, but nobody is really following the constitution anymore....
 
2014-08-12 12:03:16 PM  

HeadLever: And as you can tell, I don't have much of it in this respect, duh.


Bless your little heathen heart.  I hope you repent before you go to a Free Market Hell.

/(after a reasonable amount of shopping around to get the best suffering rate for your soul)
 
2014-08-12 12:04:51 PM  

vernonFL: Every day I drink water, use electricity, eat food, drive on roads, and am protected by police.

But I don't trust the government.


Came here to post something like this.  Get out of my brain.

Or to put it another way, Government performs hundreds if not thousands of things.  Of those things, what percentage does the average person (or extreme Libertarian) not think they will actually do?

Government does things exceptionally well for which they are well-funded. Does things quite well for which the are moderately funded.  Does things moderately well for things which they are poorly funded.
 
2014-08-12 12:05:28 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: The Government I trust. It's the politicians we need to be wary of.


The electorate are true problem.
 
2014-08-12 12:10:56 PM  

BMulligan: It is appropriate to be leery of the government, to a point. Unfortunately there are those who cultivate mistrust of government for various reasons, and their effect is corrosive.


Government fails when you give them bad policy, poorly written legislation, inadequate authority and inadequate funding.  Basically, when you think Government is horrible, you create a horrible Government.

You give a Government agency an intelligent mandate, the right controls and proper funding, they are the farking cat's ass.   There are many US Government agencies which are the envy of the world and even the private sector.

When you seen examples of a poorly run agency it is normally because politicians have been beating them up like a red-headed step child for decades.
 
2014-08-12 12:20:47 PM  

EdgeRunner: I trust government as much as I'd trust any bloated hive of middle to upper management flunkies who were all promoted not due to unquestionable merits, but expressly due to politics. I firmly support the "Never attribute to malice what can be more adequately explained by stupidity" school of thought, which explains the actions of our ruling class far better than any tin foil mutterings.


The problem with your sentiment is that it is a truism.  Not something questioned with any serious rigor or objectivity.  Like kids these days.  They are lazy and don't respect authority.  Amirite?  Or, women, boy do they love to shop.

It is a dull observation, an unfair/untrue generalization and offers no way forward or solutions.  Some Government agencies/management practices are quite impressive and superior to their counterparts in other countries or the private sector.  When you look closer at the problem and issues you discover the more interesting stuff like private sector outsourcing being the main problem with client satisfaction, that cutting employees in favour of call centre automated menus pissing off seniors, or employees being prevented from doing things more efficiently because of political interference.
 
2014-08-12 12:22:18 PM  

palelizard: Bless your little heathen heart.  I hope you repent before you go to a Free Market Bureaucracy Hell.

/(after a reasonable amount of shopping around to get the best being told that you can keep your suffering rate for your soul if you like it)

 
2014-08-12 12:22:24 PM  
Whaddaya mean, "trust the government"?

There's the actual government we have in all its messy complexity, layers upon layers of Federal and State and Local things that do everything from blow up people on the other side of the globe to making sure your garbage gets picked up.

Then there's "the government" which is a concept that's been abstracted to the point where it's essentially meaningless.

And while the pollsters are trying to get a handle on the thoughtful respondents by asking "how much do you trust ...", all those 'somewhat' answers don't tell us anything, while the answers at the ends of the spectrum is kind of a census of people who (for the purposes of the question at least) are thinking of 'government' as an abstraction. Therefore the only worthwhile result of this poll would be the spread between the always/most respondents and the seldom/nevers, which is 13% vs. 10%, which strikes me as not all that significant.

Does this analysis make sense to anyone else, or am I just babbling incoherently again?
 
2014-08-12 12:30:19 PM  

mrshowrules: Government does things exceptionally well for which they are well-funded. Does things quite well for which the are moderately funded.  Does things moderately well for things which they are poorly funded.


That is a generalization that can be somewhat dubious.  The fraud and waste in the programs that are very well funded (Medicare and DoD for example) are generally much worse than programs that are cut to the bone (Interior, National Parks Service, etc).

Yes, you need to fund these agencies in order for them to do their job, however, you also need to guard against fraud and abuse and that is where transparency and oversight kicks in.
 
2014-08-12 12:35:39 PM  

vernonFL: Every day I drink water, use electricity, eat food, drive on roads, and am protected by police.

But I don't trust the government.

I pay for water and electricity, the electricity is a government-sanctioned private monopoly with a guaranteed profit that gets every rate increase they ask for, I carefully avoid foods which are full of government-sanctioned carcinogens and other poisons, I don't own a car although I will agree that the roads are generally kept in good repair which makes sense because roads and cars seem to be the one thing Americans zealously care about, and it must be nice to be protected by the police because lol nope.
I can trust one thing about the government: Every time I have to deal with them is a nightmare of paperwork carrying an unspoken threat of missed deadlines, unmentioned fines, and possible charges for fraud for unintentional errors. I can also trust that I can usually get what I want by trusting that the right hand of the bureaucracy does not know what the left hand is doing, and can usually power through by manipulating the poor office slob on the phone who has ten thousand other things to do and only wants to be able to fill in all the boxes on his form regardless of whether they are, strictly speaking, true.
Yay government!
 
2014-08-12 12:35:51 PM  
People who never believe the government are no less gullible and easily controlled than people who always believe the government.
 
2014-08-12 12:41:18 PM  
Mistrust of government is as American as apple pie. It's why you guys have the Second Amendment, as I understand it (intended as a check on arbitrary federal power). Keep up the mistrust; it's a healthy attitude if you want to stay democratic.

/We're a little different in Canada about that, but we're learning.
 
2014-08-12 12:42:08 PM  
Well, considering the percentage of Americans who "believe" in things like young-earth creationism, angels and other nonsense, I have to admit that I'm surprised this number isn't higher.
 
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