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(TreeHugger)   Not satisfied with getting protected bike lanes in the city, cyclists now want protected bike lanes in the country   (treehugger.com) divider line 243
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2014-08-12 05:37:53 AM  
Bikers sharing road with cars: OUTRAGE!

Bikers on separate segregated roads: OUTRAGE!

Go buy cars for the tens of of thousands of people who have to commute by bike every day  then you can complain.
 
2014-08-12 08:08:46 AM  
As someone who bikes daily, it would be nice if there were better bike lanes. It would encourage folks to take to the roads, because some of our infrastructure is hinkey as f*ck even for cars out in Western Mass. It would be nice. It ain't going to happen, but it would be nice.

Western Mass has some great bike trails. Filled with folks who are walking three and four abreast, but time it right, and you can miss their butts and then you still have to hop on the crowded roads to get where you need to be. I don't want a protected bike lane that goes...well, for a scenic route that is pretty and all, but no where useful. Just give me a shoulder that is wide enough that trucks aren't going to blow me over while they prepare for a twisty as f*ck hill.

I do about 100 miles a week. It keeps me centered, it keeps me healthy, and I like the commute. It's great to be stressed and full of all the thwarted fight juices that working a line produces as our bodies misinterpret the signs and get me ready to fight the bejeebus out of some baboons or whatever else it thinks it's getting me ready for, and then hop on the bike and just ease all that crap out by simple exercise the way our bodies are meant to do. It would be nice if more folks put in even a quarter of the time I spend on a bike, because then they might be less stressed themselves. Regular exercise helps mood, it helps your mind by giving all the stress a release that doesn't involve Pornhub or the Fark politics tab.

I don't want a protected bike lane, I just want a shoulder that is wide enough so that I can get where I need to be, and have trucks worry that they're going to paste my ass. That's all. Bike paths rarely go where I need to get to. I commute with the bike. I run into town on the bike, I get my groceries on the bike, I go to the movies on a bike. Just give me a widened shoulder so that I can do it safely, and while I will mutter about the spandex clad who are riding three and four abreast, forcing cars to still swerve into the other lane, it will still be safer for everyone on the whole than a six inch broken off snub of a shoulder with chat and scrabble that I deal with on much of my rides. Just give me a decent shoulder, and I'll be happy.
 
2014-08-12 08:43:12 AM  
I'm sure if Pennsylvania had the money to do it, the Commonwealth would be more than happy to put in some potholes of their own for bicyclists.
 
2014-08-12 08:44:24 AM  
I've always favored a combined sidewalk/bike lane for country state roads and the like.  In the city, it makes sense to group cars and bikes, but at rural speeds, bikes are closer to pedestrians.  No need to go do it specifically, but when a road is build or resurfaced and the equipment is there already, they should do it.

/yeah yeah, we have to pay taxes to have nice things
 
2014-08-12 08:44:27 AM  
I love where I live, there are tons of bike trails, and in town, you're allowed to ride on a sidewalk and just use the buttons to push for pedestrian crossings.
 
2014-08-12 08:45:16 AM  
That's how the Good Roads movement started around 1900. You're welcome, car drivers.
 
2014-08-12 08:45:23 AM  

dookdookdook: Bikers sharing road with cars: OUTRAGE!

Bikers on separate segregated roads: OUTRAGE!

Go buy cars for the tens of of thousands of people who have to commute by bike every daythen you can complain.


SOCIALISM! ( & outrage )

( actually, the few bike commuters I know don't need financial help, they're far wealthier than the typical Tea-Party member....)
 
2014-08-12 08:45:25 AM  
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2014-08-12 08:47:41 AM  

Abox:


You stay classy, Abox
 
2014-08-12 08:47:46 AM  
Ayer living in Europe for three years, it was almost jarring to come back here to the states and realize just how unfriendly the roads are to bicyclists here. In between roads with no shoulders to make every last inch available for giant SUVs and people's general attitude toward them, I'm amazed people try to maintain it as a hobby or transportation.
 
2014-08-12 08:47:57 AM  
This is stupid.  Yeah, I have to ride through city/suburban streets and I know the car is king. But I always feel safe out in the country, and 99 percent of the people driving out there are more than generous with the road as am I.

As a cyclist, I have to say a lot of others who ride bikes are dumbasses who haven't the first clue about road safety and courtesy, let alone know how to fix or maintain their own bicycles.  Most quality shops offer clinics on all of this stuff, but rare is it that a new cyclists bothers with learning how to properly ride their bike.

/it's never the commuters, although bike messengers can be a pain in the ass
//usually the rich doctor who NEEDS, I tells ya, NEEDS a Kuota or Litespeed even though he'll ride it maybe three times a year - with platform pedals - at whatever charity ride serves as honorary chairman
 
2014-08-12 08:48:42 AM  
That's supposed to be "after." Stupid phone.
 
2014-08-12 08:50:04 AM  
There is a separate 2 lane bike/walk path 30 feet from the highway on my commute and I would say 90% of cyclists still use the highway shoulder. I really want to know wtf is going through their mind as cars wiz past at 60+ mph a couple feet from them.
 
2014-08-12 08:51:50 AM  
same assholes who ride in the road instead of the million dollar bike path that runs parallel to the road?
 
2014-08-12 08:53:24 AM  
With more space generally available out in the country, wouldn't it be easier to put bike lanes in? Maybe not in one of those quaint little villages where the houses are obnoxiously close to the road, but out in farm land there should be plenty of space to stick an extra three feet or so on either side of the road.
 
2014-08-12 08:54:13 AM  
I run and my city has free bikes installed for public use in the warm season. There is a big difference between people who bike all year round and the fair weather cyclists. The latter have no manners. They wear music players when cycling, are busy snapping selfless, don't look over their shoulders, and don't pay attention to signs.

Oh, and they want everyone off their bike paths. Yeah, tell me that in January pal.
 
2014-08-12 08:54:45 AM  

gregory311: This is stupid.  Yeah, I have to ride through city/suburban streets and I know the car is king. But I always feel safe out in the country, and 99 percent of the people driving out there are more than generous with the road as am I.

As a cyclist, I have to say a lot of others who ride bikes are dumbasses who haven't the first clue about road safety and courtesy, let alone know how to fix or maintain their own bicycles.  Most quality shops offer clinics on all of this stuff, but rare is it that a new cyclists bothers with learning how to properly ride their bike.

/it's never the commuters, although bike messengers can be a pain in the ass
//usually the rich doctor who NEEDS, I tells ya, NEEDS a Kuota or Litespeed even though he'll ride it maybe three times a year - with platform pedals - at whatever charity ride serves as honorary chairman


When we lived in Spain (near Cadiź), we had one of the doctors that had one of those "$6000 for the frame alone" bikes, but actually used it. It's all he did.

One time I asked him what he was doingthat Saturday, and he told me he was biking to Gibraltar (as in, "the Rock of") and riding up to the top, and coming back home.

Mind, it was an hour and a half drive at 120 km/h, and going up the Rock itself was a winding road in first gear the whole way along a sheer cliff. Followed by the trip back.

Man was crazy hardcore.
 
2014-08-12 08:54:53 AM  

swaxhog: There is a separate 2 lane bike/walk path 30 feet from the highway on my commute and I would say 90% of cyclists still use the highway shoulder. I really want to know wtf is going through their mind as cars wiz past at 60+ mph a couple feet from them.


Every time I bring this up, someone inevitably responds that cyclists don't feel that it's safe to ride on a mixed bike/pedestrian path because of the maneuvers they have to do around the pedestrians.  The joke is, I think, that the big advocates for sharing the road with vehicles so much smaller slower than your own don't want to share the road with vehicles smaller and slower than their own.
 
2014-08-12 08:54:53 AM  

swaxhog: There is a separate 2 lane bike/walk path 30 feet from the highway on my commute and I would say 90% of cyclists still use the highway shoulder. I really want to know wtf is going through their mind as cars wiz past at 60+ mph a couple feet from them.


If there's a bike lane, does it have access to the places they need to get to? Limited access is generally the main reason that bicyclists stay on that shoulder. You have access to an exit, then you use the path, but if it only runs parallel to the road, and has no way to get off, save at the end of four or five miles, then it's not real damn useful. Most of the time you're riding on a main road, and someone passes you that fast, you think, "Glad that this shoulder is wide enough..."
 
2014-08-12 08:55:17 AM  
Irresponsible drivers can't be trusted not to trade other road users' lives for a text or not paying for a cab. Shocking that those other users should try to find ways to protect themselves.

Two cases of ebola: terrifying.
Thousands of "whoops! Sorry you're dead" easily preventable deaths a year: just how it is.
 
2014-08-12 08:57:04 AM  

Joe Blowme: same assholes who ride in the road instead of the million dollar bike path that runs parallel to the road?


I wish we had million dollar bike paths in my area
 
2014-08-12 08:57:19 AM  

Joe Blowme: same assholes who ride in the road instead of the million dollar bike path that runs parallel to the road?


If that "million dollar bike path" is as smooth and well maintained as the average crumbling city sidewalk, then hell yes they're going to ride in the road.

Try riding a bike with high pressure tires and no suspension at 20+ mph down a typical sidewalk and let us know how your spine feels afterwards.
 
2014-08-12 08:57:24 AM  
I like my car, but have to admit that cars are a colossal waste of money and resources.  I'd love to live in a city that has other forms of transport.
 
2014-08-12 08:57:44 AM  

swaxhog: There is a separate 2 lane bike/walk path 30 feet from the highway on my commute and I would say 90% of cyclists still use the highway shoulder. I really want to know wtf is going through their mind as cars wiz past at 60+ mph a couple feet from them.


Same thing happens here, my theory is that they'd rather risk it than have to slow down for less "hardcore" bicycles since they can't go flying into traffic to get around anything in their way
 
2014-08-12 08:58:46 AM  
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2014-08-12 08:59:39 AM  

Shadowknight: gregory311: This is stupid.  Yeah, I have to ride through city/suburban streets and I know the car is king. But I always feel safe out in the country, and 99 percent of the people driving out there are more than generous with the road as am I.

As a cyclist, I have to say a lot of others who ride bikes are dumbasses who haven't the first clue about road safety and courtesy, let alone know how to fix or maintain their own bicycles.  Most quality shops offer clinics on all of this stuff, but rare is it that a new cyclists bothers with learning how to properly ride their bike.

/it's never the commuters, although bike messengers can be a pain in the ass
//usually the rich doctor who NEEDS, I tells ya, NEEDS a Kuota or Litespeed even though he'll ride it maybe three times a year - with platform pedals - at whatever charity ride serves as honorary chairman

When we lived in Spain (near Cadiź), we had one of the doctors that had one of those "$6000 for the frame alone" bikes, but actually used it. It's all he did.

One time I asked him what he was doingthat Saturday, and he told me he was biking to Gibraltar (as in, "the Rock of") and riding up to the top, and coming back home.

Mind, it was an hour and a half drive at 120 km/h, and going up the Rock itself was a winding road in first gear the whole way along a sheer cliff. Followed by the trip back.

Man was crazy hardcore.


Oh, they're out there, no doubt.  Guy who runs a local health insurance company is a wicked avid cyclist and sponsors one of the major rides in town is like that, but I see a lot more schlubs who watch the Tour de France once and run out to get the most expensive gear and let it collect dust most of the year.
 
2014-08-12 09:00:08 AM  
I commute to work through about ten miles that involves Maryland route 40 through some rural territory.  The road has breakdown lanes that are used as bike lanes.  In some places they are marked as such.  I use them maybe three times a week.  You know who is inconvenienced by this?  Nobody.
 
2014-08-12 09:00:39 AM  
That's fine with me.  Let them pay a tax to maintain it, just like I have to pay tax every time I buy gas for my car.  As long as they stop blocking roads with their 14 mph parades on a 55 mph posted country road.  I'm in my car because I'm going somewhere.  I'd appreciate it if you weren't in my way
 
2014-08-12 09:02:37 AM  
In rural areas this would be very beneficial to pedestrians too.  The reason people out in the sticks are frequently overweight is that there is no place to safely walk/exercise.  I'd be all for this.
 
2014-08-12 09:03:27 AM  

gregory311: This is stupid.  Yeah, I have to ride through city/suburban streets and I know the car is king. But I always feel safe out in the country, and 99 percent of the people driving out there are more than generous with the road as am I.

As a cyclist, I have to say a lot of others who ride bikes are dumbasses who haven't the first clue about road safety and courtesy, let alone know how to fix or maintain their own bicycles.  Most quality shops offer clinics on all of this stuff, but rare is it that a new cyclists bothers with learning how to properly ride their bike.


I have to agree with this. I was sitting at a stop sign a few months back, and this guy (luckily wearing a bike helmet) couldn't negotiate the curb and actually ran into the side of my unmoving vehicle. Well-seasoned bicyclists complain about cars, but I'm seeing more and more bikers who are more of a danger to themselves just due to bad decisions or skills. If they expect to share a road, we might want to think about a bike license showing they've attended a safety class or something as well as the auto driver.
 
2014-08-12 09:04:19 AM  
WTF are they babbling about?  Country roads actually have room to pass bicyclists with the exception of some twisting hilly roads that aren't very safe for cars either.

I just want the bike path in my neighborhood paved.  I'm trying to gentrify the homeless guy and roving packs of juvenile out of there.  The cops driving down the path in a Crown Victoria aint helping the pavement, the property value OR the situation.
 
2014-08-12 09:06:34 AM  

dookdookdook: Joe Blowme: same assholes who ride in the road instead of the million dollar bike path that runs parallel to the road?

If that "million dollar bike path" is as smooth and well maintained as the average crumbling city sidewalk, then hell yes they're going to ride in the road.

Try riding a bike with high pressure tires and no suspension at 20+ mph down a typical sidewalk and let us know how your spine feels afterwards.


Parks dept keeps them up and they are better than the roads due to all the deicing and plowing in the winter. Pot holes can swallow a man whole.
 
2014-08-12 09:06:38 AM  
Everyone is the center of their universe. Film at 11
 
2014-08-12 09:08:11 AM  

macross87: Everyone is the center of their universe. Film at 11


Actually my wife says im the center of her universe, thats why everything is my fault.
 
2014-08-12 09:09:06 AM  

mike_d85: Country roads actually have room to pass bicyclists with the exception of some twisting hilly roads that aren't very safe for cars either.


Vermont. Loads of roads. Twisty, hilly, paved, dirt, gravel.
And Loads of farking skippy pantsed, helmet wearing, rat trapping, fruity fru-frus riding five abreast when you have hay rakes, manure spreaders, hay wagons, and crotch rockets all competing for a venue while ordinary assholes are texting and "Oh! Look at the Cows!"

It's a wonder it isn't a blood bath.
I guess we're just too farking nice.
 
2014-08-12 09:09:44 AM  

Joe Blowme: macross87: Everyone is the center of their universe. Film at 11

Actually my wife says im the center of her universe, thats why everything is my fault.


It just means you're a load bearing singularity.
 
2014-08-12 09:11:12 AM  

gregory311: Oh, they're out there, no doubt. Guy who runs a local health insurance company is a wicked avid cyclist and sponsors one of the major rides in town is like that, but I see a lot more schlubs who watch the Tour de France once and run out to get the most expensive gear and let it collect dust most of the year.


And people wonder why I buy things from Craigslist.  Tools, exercise equipment, and anything with a small motor described as "won't run" (it's usually an hour of work diagnosing and fixing the problem on youtube).
 
2014-08-12 09:13:51 AM  

vudukungfu: farking skippy pantsed, helmet wearing, rat trapping, fruity fru-frus


Didn't they open for New Kids On The Block on their Face the Music tour?
 
2014-08-12 09:16:26 AM  
Take care of yourselves...and each other

totemploppin.files.wordpress.com

/I've got your hat
 
2014-08-12 09:18:41 AM  
After living in Austin for 3 years, I grew to hate cyclists with a passion. They don't follow any of the laws, the take up entire lanes on 2 lane highways, where the speed limit is 55 mph and their doing 15 during 5 O'CLOCK FARKING TRAFFIC. My personal favorite are the ones that ride past the 30 cars ahead of them at the stop light . Hell, when I first moved there, I was interested in getting in to riding and even the guys who worked at the shop were pretentious assholes. That being said, after I moved back to ft.worth, I've noticed that the bikers typically follow the laws, stay out of the way, and the few I've talked with are generally a decent bunch.I guess what I'm getting at is austin blows.
 
2014-08-12 09:19:44 AM  

Joe Blowme: same assholes who ride in the road instead of the million dollar bike path that runs parallel to the road?


Yes, some cyclists are inconsiderate. Some drivers are also. Does this mean we do away with cars, trucks and bikes?
 
2014-08-12 09:19:50 AM  

vudukungfu: mike_d85: Country roads actually have room to pass bicyclists with the exception of some twisting hilly roads that aren't very safe for cars either.

Vermont. Loads of roads. Twisty, hilly, paved, dirt, gravel.
And Loads of farking skippy pantsed, helmet wearing, rat trapping, fruity fru-frus riding five abreast when you have hay rakes, manure spreaders, hay wagons, and crotch rockets all competing for a venue while ordinary assholes are texting and "Oh! Look at the Cows!"

It's a wonder it isn't a blood bath.
I guess we're just too farking nice.


Yeah, foothills SC is the same way.  That's what I meant by "twisting hilly roads that aren't very safe for cars either".

I bet covered bridges are deathtraps.
 
2014-08-12 09:21:34 AM  

Joe Blowme: macross87: Everyone is the center of their universe. Film at 11

Actually my wife says im the center of her universe, thats why everything is my fault.


Dad, is that you?
 
2014-08-12 09:22:04 AM  
Interesting idea, but I would like to see some info on population density in rural areas Europe vs various areas of US.
 
2014-08-12 09:22:24 AM  
How I normally see bike riders

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2014-08-12 09:23:00 AM  
Attention cyclists - I don't mind sharing country roads with you as long as you ride SINGLE FILE - not "side by each" whilst having a chit-chat about nuttage rashes with your buddies.
I know that riding along while staring at you friend's sweaty ass might be a bit of a buzz-kill but it's kinda the law & stuff.
 
2014-08-12 09:25:23 AM  
I visited family in Salina, KS and of course went for walks to escape them.  There are sidewalks everywhere, in every little suburb, along long stretches of wheat fields, everywhere.  I did see about 5 people walk up to a bus stop, but otherwise there was absolutely no one walking at all.  It just seemed incredibly wasteful, and I could only wonder if some politician owned a sidewalk installation business.

Up in NH, people bike around for exercise.  It's just not a year round commuting option with the snow, ice and mountains.  Not to mention people in their all wheel drive cars sliding off the road every few miles.

Sure, maybe on certain stretches of roads in certain rural areas, add some bike lanes around dangerous corners, where you already know there's established bike traffic at risk, but that's about it.  I don't want my taxes raised for some all encompassing boondoggle.
 
2014-08-12 09:28:58 AM  

dookdookdook: Bikers sharing road with cars: OUTRAGE!

Bikers on separate segregated roads: OUTRAGE!

Go buy cars for the tens of of thousands of people who have to commute by bike every day  then you can complain.


I'm pretty sure I can complain about the Lance wannabes clad in spandex and coasting along shoulder-less country roads in impassable groups of 10 to 20.

Seriously.  Our roads don't even have farking LINES.  That shiat's dangerous for everyone involved.  You want dedicated bike lanes on all the roads you drive?  Fine.  Pay to have the road widened yourselves.  Shiat.  It takes 10 years to repair a farking bridge around here.  If cyclists have bike lanes added, I'm *still* entitled to complain about the priorities.
 
2014-08-12 09:29:16 AM  

oldfarthenry: Attention cyclists - I don't mind sharing country roads with you as long as you ride SINGLE FILE - not "side by each" whilst having a chit-chat about nuttage rashes with your buddies.
I know that riding along while staring at you friend's sweaty ass might be a bit of a buzz-kill but it's kinda the law & stuff.


I know some who purposely double up... if you ride single file, cars won't change lanes to pass you, they'll do this weird thing where they're halfway in your lane, halfway in the other lane, and inches (if that) from you. If you're forced to ride in a lane, ride in the middle of the lane, hopefully drivers will make passes in the legal manner that way.
 
2014-08-12 09:31:36 AM  

BeesNuts: dookdookdook: Bikers sharing road with cars: OUTRAGE!

Bikers on separate segregated roads: OUTRAGE!

Go buy cars for the tens of of thousands of people who have to commute by bike every day  then you can complain.

I'm pretty sure I can complain about the Lance wannabes clad in spandex and coasting along shoulder-less country roads in impassable groups of 10 to 20.

Seriously.  Our roads don't even have farking LINES.  That shiat's dangerous for everyone involved.  You want dedicated bike lanes on all the roads you drive?  Fine.  Pay to have the road widened yourselves.  Shiat.  It takes 10 years to repair a farking bridge around here.  If cyclists have bike lanes added, I'm *still* entitled to complain about the priorities.


I've been paying for your dumb roads for years, how about you repay the favor? There's this wacky idea that road funding comes from fuel taxes, even though (nationally) more than 80% of road funding comes from income/sales/property taxes. This entitlement attitude by car drivers is bullshiat, you're not entitled to my tax dollars... especially not if you're gonna build a farking road with it, then biatch at me every time I ride my bike on it.
 
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