ChipNASA: I wish I could tell you that Andy fought the good fight, and the Sisters let him be. I wish I could tell you that - but prison is no fairy-tale world. He never said who did it, but we all knew. Things went on like that for awhile - prison life consists of routine, and then more routine. Every so often, Andy would show up with fresh bruises. The Sisters kept at him - sometimes he was able to fight 'em off, sometimes not. And that's how it went for Andy - that was his routine. I do believe those first two years were the worst for him, and I also believe that if things had gone on that way, this place would have got the best of him.
akula: Interesting.I find it amusing that the conclusion is "We never heard from them again, they must have died." While that may be the likely outcome, one can just as easily view that as the most successful prison escape ever- if your goal is to escape confinement in perpetuity, then you don't want to show up on anybody's radar ever after. If they managed to do that, well, they succeeded beyond their own wildest dreams.Yeah, they probably never made it to shore, but failure and complete success would look the same to those who were searching for them./Maybe they went home and farked the prom queen.
brap: The Alcatraz tour is one of the best touristy things one can do when in San Francisco.It also makes for one hell of a Phil Hartman cameo...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOYeW864w3Q
drsmith: Oh, and if anyone is planning on going you need to book voyage on the ferry months in advance..
The Hammer of the Lord: Unimpressed
shamalamadingdong: My uncle took me to the 25th anniversary of the closing of Alcatraz when I was in junior high school. It was a really fascinating trip. I met a woman who grew up there as a little girl, former guards, and former prisoners.One of the former guards described this exact escape in detail, taking us to the spots where each occurrence took place. It ended with us walking down to the rocks where they finally jumped into the drink. He described how they had learned to make impromptu wetsuits out of plastic wrap and lard. They formed kickboards out of foam taken from the inside of a door of a refrigerator. They seamed lifejackets out of waterproof material. Then he looked out over the bay and said "I'm sure they either drowned or were eaten by the ferocious sharks that patrol this bay."Now, you can tell a big group of Nebraska tourists some shiat like that, but in 1988, I was a little hot sh*t surfer kid. I'd gone spear-fishing, swimming, and paddling in more treacherous waters than that. I couldn't hold my tongue. I piped right up and said, "I think they made it."He smiled, and said "Son, there's no way they made it. The currents here are some of the strongest in the world. The water is 53 degrees Fahrenheit, and full of hungry great white sharks. I've seen 'em.""Yeah, and I've seen 20' whites off the coast of Carpinteria when I've got a corvina on my sling, but they didn't bother me. Shark attacks are rare. And the currents? I can see the shore from here. I can make out the people. It's not that far. And you said that they made their escape in June. The water is closer to 60º then. And have you ever worn a wetsuit? Even without one, the average man could last six, eight hours before hypothermia set in. No, they made it.""Son," he said through gritted teeth, "I don't think you know what you're talking about." And he kept on with his tour.A couple minutes later, as the tour group pulled away, my uncle pulled me aside, leaned in and said "What th ...
gfid: As I see it, the biggest problem is what do you do once you hit shore? You know the cops are going to be looking for you. You know they're going to be watching your closest relatives and friends so you can't go to them. You'll want to get far away from the prison you escaped, but you can't just openly hitchhike on the highway because that's a sure recipe for failure.
gfid: I can't imagine drowning. I'm a decent swimmer and they had a farking raft - a makeshift shiatty raft, but even if that broke up you just have to keep your head above water until you can reach the shore.
dittybopper: gfid: I can't imagine drowning. I'm a decent swimmer and they had a farking raft - a makeshift shiatty raft, but even if that broke up you just have to keep your head above water until you can reach the shore.You're likely fairly well nourished, in reasonably good health, and when you were swimming, you weren't wearing clothes or shoes or carrying them in a bag for use when you got on shore.It's also likely that if you swim regularly, you've got better endurance than guys who spent most of their time in a small cell.
dittybopper: You're likely fairly well nourished, in reasonably good health, and when you were swimming, you weren't wearing clothes or shoes or carrying them in a bag for use when you got on shore.It's also likely that if you swim regularly, you've got better endurance than guys who spent most of their time in a small cell.
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