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2014-08-12 01:31:33 AM  
"The thing is, Bob, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care."
 
2014-08-12 03:08:08 AM  
Masculinity in all forms is out of fashion.

It isn't tolerated at work and is punished at school.

Culture might shift in another 25 years, but the current generation is well screwed. Young women will be frustrated by a lack of attractive mating prospects, and young men will be economically disenfranchised.
 
2014-08-12 04:50:45 AM  
derp

dropping from 96% to 88%?
while women increased from 36% to 74%?

yup
it's the END OF THE WORLD

morons
 
2014-08-12 05:09:55 AM  
Oh, here's one possible answer, NPR:

THERE'S MORE TO LIFE THAN SLAVING AWAY YOUR ENTIRE LIFE TO MAKE SOME PARASITE EVEN RICHER.

We might consider that.
 
2014-08-12 05:33:12 AM  

PushF12: Masculinity in all forms is out of fashion.

It isn't tolerated at work and is punished at school.

Culture might shift in another 25 years, but the current generation is well screwed. Young women will be frustrated by a lack of attractive mating prospects, and young men will be economically disenfranchised.


Sounds like no woman wants you.
 
2014-08-12 07:32:14 AM  
I think these are just guys on the disability due to their obesity.
 
2014-08-12 07:50:27 AM  

PushF12: Masculinity in all forms is out of fashion.

It isn't tolerated at work and is punished at school.

Culture might shift in another 25 years, but the current generation is well screwed. Young women will be frustrated by a lack of attractive mating prospects, and young men will be economically disenfranchised.





Yeah. It sucks that you have to compete with broads and Jews and coloreds now, doesn't it? Poor, persecuted white man.
 
2014-08-12 07:56:32 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: I think these are just guys on the disability due to their obesity.


No. This holds even after you adjust out the disabled, the early retirees, the students remaining in school longer, etc.
This is a growing group of adult (mainly) men who are not on public assistance, and don't work. It kind of raises the question: What ARE they doing?
I have a feeling that the underground economy is many times larger than a lot of economists think.
 
2014-08-12 07:57:46 AM  
Obama is 60-years-old once you harmonize the statisticals. Study it out.
 
2014-08-12 08:04:51 AM  

PushF12: Masculinity in all forms is out of fashion.

It isn't tolerated at work and is punished at school.


"Male chauvinism" is the term you're looking for here.
 
2014-08-12 08:14:52 AM  

jso2897: The Googles Do Nothing: I think these are just guys on the disability due to their obesity.

No. This holds even after you adjust out the disabled, the early retirees, the students remaining in school longer, etc.
This is a growing group of adult (mainly) men who are not on public assistance, and don't work. It kind of raises the question: What ARE they doing?
I have a feeling that the underground economy is many times larger than a lot of economists think.


Playing poker and streaming Pokemon ..but not payin taxes!!!
 
2014-08-12 09:24:33 AM  
You probably know a layabout who can't keep from having a woman give him a place to live and food to eat. Not only do they have their needs taken care of for no sensible reason, she has to work some time and there's a lady across the street who needs attention during the day. Fringe benefits, little need to heed the clock, and freedom from having to put up with HR. Other men notice and follow suit. The economy continues to crumble.
 
2014-08-12 09:25:41 AM  
I wonder how the numbers break down by race?
 
2014-08-12 09:27:53 AM  

PushF12: Masculinity in all forms is out of fashion.

It isn't tolerated at work and is punished at school.

Culture might shift in another 25 years, but the current generation is well screwed. Young women will be frustrated by a lack of attractive mating prospects, and young men will be economically disenfranchised.


Came here to say this. Between the HR overloards in most offices, and the loss of more masculine job (factory/mining/etc) the workplace has been feminized, and men simply don't what to be in that environment.
 
2014-08-12 09:35:26 AM  
Seeing as how long it takes to get a useful degree, as well as the expense, women dominate in education. Those same educated women take the highend jobs, while the lower education manufacuring and production jobs move overseas.

Equality is all well and good, until you remember that men are still demanded to be the primary breadwinner almost immediately after finishing school, while the women can remain students for much longer. Men leave the nest earlier than women, and dont have the familial safetynet and support network that women do.
 
2014-08-12 09:46:12 AM  

Vertdang: Seeing as how long it takes to get a useful degree, as well as the expense, women dominate in education. Those same educated women take the highend jobs, while the lower education manufacuring and production jobs move overseas.

Equality is all well and good, until you remember that men are still demanded to be the primary breadwinner almost immediately after finishing school, while the women can remain students for much longer. Men leave the nest earlier than women, and dont have the familial safetynet and support network that women do.


What the fark are you talking about?
 
2014-08-12 09:46:42 AM  

LemSkroob: the workplace has been feminized, and men simply don't what to be in that environment.


Vertdang: men are still demanded to be the primary breadwinner almost immediately after finishing school, while the women can remain students for much longer.


There are an awful lot of fedoras in here.
 
2014-08-12 09:50:19 AM  
This sort of article gets me to thinking about my father-in-law. Youngest of a lower-class family. Basically no interest in education - took an extra year to get through elementary school, left school after 8th grade and went to work to help support the family. Got drafted and spent a year in Korea. Came home, went back to work, eventually got married, got a union job in a factory operating a brake press, raised 4 kids, had a nice house and went on vacation every year. They made a decent life for themselves and he retired in 1991 after 35 years on the job.

What if he'd been born in the '70s or '80s instead of in 1930? Do you think that kind of life would have been possible for someone like him?

The world is still full of guys like him; new ones are born every day. What are they supposed to do to make a living?
 
2014-08-12 09:53:14 AM  

The universe is laughing behind your back: What if he'd been born in the '70s or '80s instead of in 1930? Do you think that kind of life would have been possible for someone like him?


Nope.  People now think that union jobs are evil because reasons.
 
2014-08-12 09:59:02 AM  

jso2897: The Googles Do Nothing: I think these are just guys on the disability due to their obesity.

No. This holds even after you adjust out the disabled, the early retirees, the students remaining in school longer, etc.
This is a growing group of adult (mainly) men who are not on public assistance, and don't work. It kind of raises the question: What ARE they doing?
I have a feeling that the underground economy is many times larger than a lot of economists think.


How about the black guys in prison?
 
2014-08-12 10:02:17 AM  

The universe is laughing behind your back: The world is still full of guys like him; new ones are born every day. What are they supposed to do to make a living?


There'll always be a need for these, right?

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-08-12 10:10:40 AM  

Stone Meadow: The universe is laughing behind your back: The world is still full of guys like him; new ones are born every day. What are they supposed to do to make a living?

There'll always be a need for these, right?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 324x447]


Depends on how the construction industry is doing, I guess. Not every 55-year-old is cut out for outdoor manual labor, though.

Reminds me of the guy who taped the drywall in my house. Probably about 45 or so, but looking at having to give up the job he's been doing most of his life because his shoulder was wearing out.
 
2014-08-12 10:25:20 AM  

LemSkroob: PushF12: Masculinity in all forms is out of fashion.

It isn't tolerated at work and is punished at school.

Culture might shift in another 25 years, but the current generation is well screwed. Young women will be frustrated by a lack of attractive mating prospects, and young men will be economically disenfranchised.

Came here to say this. Between the HR overloards in most offices, and the loss of more masculine job (factory/mining/etc) the workplace has been feminized, and men simply don't what to be in that environment.


How has the workplace been "feminized"?  What do the "HR overloards"[sic] do that feminize the workplace?
 
2014-08-12 10:26:45 AM  
Hey its not ALL men, just the ones you dont like.

So what kind of man DO you find attractive?
 
2014-08-12 10:31:48 AM  

Vertdang: Seeing as how long it takes to get a useful degree, as well as the expense, women dominate in education. Those same educated women take the highend jobs, while the lower education manufacuring and production jobs move overseas.



I don't think it is that simple. If you look at the degrees that really don't translate into high paying jobs, women make up the majority of those in many cases. Humanities and psychology majors are going to put you in highend jobs.
 
2014-08-12 10:35:44 AM  

what_now: LemSkroob: the workplace has been feminized, and men simply don't what to be in that environment.

Vertdang: men are still demanded to be the primary breadwinner almost immediately after finishing school, while the women can remain students for much longer.

There are an awful lot of fedoras in here.


that's not an argument against my point.
If you're out of the house, you better have an income immediately. If you have a safety net and support from family, S.O., etc, you can wait to enter the workforce. Thats' why women get more BS degrees than men do.

/would never wear one.
 
2014-08-12 10:36:07 AM  

PushF12: Masculinity in all forms is out of fashion.

It isn't tolerated at work and is punished at school.

Culture might shift in another 25 years, but the current generation is well screwed. Young women will be frustrated by a lack of attractive mating prospects, and young men will be economically disenfranchised.


I don't know which is worse. A person who gets their gender views from Jezebel, or one who gets it from red pill forums.

/Who am I kidding, it's the red pillers.
 
2014-08-12 10:38:37 AM  

llortcM_yllort: How has the workplace been "feminized"? What do the "HR overloards"[sic] do that feminize the workplace?


Well for one they don't let me give a broad a nice, firm slap on the rear for doing a good job. I tell ya, it's just not the same anymore.
 
2014-08-12 10:40:27 AM  

llortcM_yllort: LemSkroob: PushF12: Masculinity in all forms is out of fashion.

It isn't tolerated at work and is punished at school.

Culture might shift in another 25 years, but the current generation is well screwed. Young women will be frustrated by a lack of attractive mating prospects, and young men will be economically disenfranchised.

Came here to say this. Between the HR overloards in most offices, and the loss of more masculine job (factory/mining/etc) the workplace has been feminized, and men simply don't what to be in that environment.

How has the workplace been "feminized"?  What do the "HR overloards"[sic] do that feminize the workplace?


Some frumpy fat chick walks around colecting for every birthday, engagement, baby birth, secret Santa, Christmas party, get well, marriage....Enough, just leave me the fark alone.
 
2014-08-12 10:41:01 AM  

llortcM_yllort: LemSkroob: PushF12: Masculinity in all forms is out of fashion.

It isn't tolerated at work and is punished at school.

Culture might shift in another 25 years, but the current generation is well screwed. Young women will be frustrated by a lack of attractive mating prospects, and young men will be economically disenfranchised.

Came here to say this. Between the HR overloards in most offices, and the loss of more masculine job (factory/mining/etc) the workplace has been feminized, and men simply don't what to be in that environment.

How has the workplace been "feminized"?  What do the "HR overloards"[sic] do that feminize the workplace?


There's women that work here, but like, in charge of things, not just typing shiat, and HR keeps hiring them like they're getting the job done as well as a man could, probably because that biatch Patty hates men ever since she got divorced and honestly who could blame him, I wouldn't want to come home to that every day.
 
2014-08-12 10:43:48 AM  

jso2897: The Googles Do Nothing: I think these are just guys on the disability due to their obesity.

No. This holds even after you adjust out the disabled, the early retirees, the students remaining in school longer, etc.
This is a growing group of adult (mainly) men who are not on public assistance, and don't work. It kind of raises the question: What ARE they doing?
I have a feeling that the underground economy is many times larger than a lot of economists think.


I mean, the market for male prostitutes can't be that big.
 
2014-08-12 10:52:53 AM  
Especially if the "asshole" manager is female.
 
2014-08-12 11:04:53 AM  
What about househusbands?

I'm self-employed part-time and work from home (after my lay-off three months ago I started a consulting business and secured a couple of clients), and being even a part-time housewife is a pretty sweet gig. Maybe a few men have figured out the benefits of staying home?

It's great being able to run errands during the work day, and then spend the weekend doing fun stuff with your spouse.

My income is less right now (especially since I don't have an employer subsidizing my taxes or health insurance) but we readjusted our budget and are doing great. We save money on commuting costs and our dog's day care (he has IBD and needs multiple walks a day). We've already saved $$$ on vet bills too because he's not catching every virus under the sun at day care.

I have enough time to research what's on sale before making my grocery list (we're now saving $200 a month on groceries, and I even switched to Whole Foods), make more dishes from scratch and prepare our lunches. I save $20 a week by going to my yoga studio's free community class during the day on Thursdays. I also have more time to closely manage our investments and negotiate lower rates for our monthly bills. Occasionally we get some snark because I am not staying home with kids, but if my husband sees the value in what I contribute at home then who the f cares?

If the woman in a relationship has the more demanding career and can afford to have her partner stay at home, I don't see why not. I think men can do a banging job running a household and still get to do traditionally masculine things like, manage investments, perform home or car repairs, mow the lawn, brew beer, grill dinners or volunteer coach at his kid's sport activities.
 
2014-08-12 11:04:54 AM  
What the fark is happening in here? farking MRA weirdos.
 
2014-08-12 11:24:40 AM  

DrewCurtisJr: Vertdang: Seeing as how long it takes to get a useful degree, as well as the expense, women dominate in education. Those same educated women take the highend jobs, while the lower education manufacuring and production jobs move overseas.


I don't think it is that simple. If you look at the degrees that really don't translate into high paying jobs, women make up the majority of those in many cases. Humanities and psychology majors are going to put you in highend jobs.


Women are a majority of STEM makes now?

When I graduated just over 10 years ago, it was well over 80% sausage.
 
2014-08-12 11:25:21 AM  
But if you strip away the students and the early retiring men, the picture doesn't change much. Men are still opting out. Back in the 1950s, just three percent of men in their prime working years (considered to be ages 25 to 54) were out of work and not seeking employment. Last year, that number was 12 percent.

"There are twice as many guys between 25 and 54 who aren't even looking for a job as who are unemployed," Eberstadt says.


Not surprising. There's many many more guys on disability than there used to be. Maybe that's an issue and if we want more men back in the workforce we should cut disability or make it more difficult to qualify.

But I suspect the primary driver is that many more men are raising children than did a half century ago, with the wives going to work. Why is that a problem?
 
2014-08-12 11:27:15 AM  

BMFPitt: DrewCurtisJr: Vertdang: Seeing as how long it takes to get a useful degree, as well as the expense, women dominate in education. Those same educated women take the highend jobs, while the lower education manufacuring and production jobs move overseas.


I don't think it is that simple. If you look at the degrees that really don't translate into high paying jobs, women make up the majority of those in many cases. Humanities and psychology majors are going to put you in highend jobs.

Women are a majority of STEM makes now?

When I graduated just over 10 years ago, it was well over 80% sausage.


Apparently I read that backwards.
 
2014-08-12 11:45:35 AM  

what_now: PushF12: Masculinity in all forms is out of fashion.

It isn't tolerated at work and is punished at school.

Culture might shift in another 25 years, but the current generation is well screwed. Young women will be frustrated by a lack of attractive mating prospects, and young men will be economically disenfranchised.

Yeah. It sucks that you have to compete with broads and Jews and coloreds now, doesn't it? Poor, persecuted white man.


Well, that escalated quickly. Can you show how you made the connection between the claim of masculinity being out of fashion and racism? I'm genuinely interested how his post a) shows that s/he's white, b) shows that s/he's male, and c) implies that s/he's persecuted.

/I don't even agree with F12, you made some giant leaps there.
 
2014-08-12 11:47:34 AM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: jso2897: The Googles Do Nothing: I think these are just guys on the disability due to their obesity.

No. This holds even after you adjust out the disabled, the early retirees, the students remaining in school longer, etc.
This is a growing group of adult (mainly) men who are not on public assistance, and don't work. It kind of raises the question: What ARE they doing?
I have a feeling that the underground economy is many times larger than a lot of economists think.

I mean, the market for male prostitutes can't be that big.


Market for male-for-female prostitutes can't be that big.
 
2014-08-12 11:56:11 AM  

PushF12: Masculinity in all forms is out of fashion.

It isn't tolerated at work and is punished at school.

Culture might shift in another 25 years, but the current generation is well screwed. Young women will be frustrated by a lack of attractive mating prospects, and young men will be economically disenfranchised.


Oh poor baby, did the nasty women punish you for being 'masculine'? There, there. Why don't you go play with some guns and sulk to make yourself feel better, you attractive mating prospect, you.
 
2014-08-12 12:04:24 PM  

Vertdang: If you're out of the house, you better have an income immediately. If you have a safety net and support from family, S.O., etc, you can wait to enter the workforce.


That's true regardless of your gender. You think men don't move back in with their families after college? You think women don't get jobs at 21 -or 18- and start supporting themselves?

what statistics do you have for this?
 
2014-08-12 12:14:43 PM  

Stone Meadow: The universe is laughing behind your back: The world is still full of guys like him; new ones are born every day. What are they supposed to do to make a living?

There'll always be a need for these, right?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 324x447]


Except the machine behind him has long since replaced the other 99 guys.
 
2014-08-12 12:30:57 PM  

The universe is laughing behind your back: Stone Meadow: The universe is laughing behind your back: The world is still full of guys like him; new ones are born every day. What are they supposed to do to make a living?

There'll always be a need for these, right?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 324x447]

Depends on how the construction industry is doing, I guess. Not every 55-year-old is cut out for outdoor manual labor, though.

Reminds me of the guy who taped the drywall in my house. Probably about 45 or so, but looking at having to give up the job he's been doing most of his life because his shoulder was wearing out.


Skink Wrangler: Stone Meadow: The universe is laughing behind your back: The world is still full of guys like him; new ones are born every day. What are they supposed to do to make a living?

There'll always be a need for these, right?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 324x447]

Except the machine behind him has long since replaced the other 99 guys.


For both of you guys... ;^)

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2014-08-12 12:32:48 PM  
Maybe they don't need two incomes, and their spouse makes more?
 
2014-08-12 12:34:31 PM  
I need to enrich some asshole manager because I need an income.
 
2014-08-12 12:37:11 PM  
Oh wait, sorry, now that I've read the article, it more concern the US won't grow the economy fast enough.

FTA:"The country is going to be less rich. They're going to be less rich. Growth is going to be slower. It's going to have really bad effects on wealth differences in the United States," he says. "

Perpetual growth is unsustainable, and maybe, just maybe, people really are tired of this bullshiat Calvanistic nonsense of "You must work and be paid cash money for that work in order to prove you are worth something to God and man" that has been pushed on us so that the bulk of the world can enrich the few.
 
2014-08-12 12:40:53 PM  

meat0918: Oh wait, sorry, now that I've read the article, it more concern the US won't grow the economy fast enough.

FTA:"The country is going to be less rich. They're going to be less rich. Growth is going to be slower. It's going to have really bad effects on wealth differences in the United States," he says. "

Perpetual growth is unsustainable, and maybe, just maybe, people really are tired of this bullshiat Calvanistic nonsense of "You must work and be paid cash money for that work in order to prove you are worth something to God and man" that has been pushed on us so that the bulk of the world can enrich the few.


I think what people forget is that with growth comes matching increases in the cost of maintenance. Want more paved roads? Those don't last forever, or even a few years. Infrastructure comes with a natural limit, a point at which it is simply impractical to maintain because of the distance between the benefits and costs to the stakeholders.
 
2014-08-12 12:43:29 PM  
images.artistdirect.com
 
2014-08-12 12:44:53 PM  

Nurglitch: meat0918: Oh wait, sorry, now that I've read the article, it more concern the US won't grow the economy fast enough.

FTA:"The country is going to be less rich. They're going to be less rich. Growth is going to be slower. It's going to have really bad effects on wealth differences in the United States," he says. "

Perpetual growth is unsustainable, and maybe, just maybe, people really are tired of this bullshiat Calvanistic nonsense of "You must work and be paid cash money for that work in order to prove you are worth something to God and man" that has been pushed on us so that the bulk of the world can enrich the few.

I think what people forget is that with growth comes matching increases in the cost of maintenance. Want more paved roads? Those don't last forever, or even a few years. Infrastructure comes with a natural limit, a point at which it is simply impractical to maintain because of the distance between the benefits and costs to the stakeholders.


What's "infrastructure"

i457.photobucket.com
 
2014-08-12 12:46:37 PM  

meat0918: Nurglitch: meat0918: Oh wait, sorry, now that I've read the article, it more concern the US won't grow the economy fast enough.

FTA:"The country is going to be less rich. They're going to be less rich. Growth is going to be slower. It's going to have really bad effects on wealth differences in the United States," he says. "

Perpetual growth is unsustainable, and maybe, just maybe, people really are tired of this bullshiat Calvanistic nonsense of "You must work and be paid cash money for that work in order to prove you are worth something to God and man" that has been pushed on us so that the bulk of the world can enrich the few.

I think what people forget is that with growth comes matching increases in the cost of maintenance. Want more paved roads? Those don't last forever, or even a few years. Infrastructure comes with a natural limit, a point at which it is simply impractical to maintain because of the distance between the benefits and costs to the stakeholders.

What's "infrastructure"

[i457.photobucket.com image 720x603]


Yeah, it's one of the things that people simply won't do, which is to build for the long-term future rather than the short-term.
 
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