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(WTRF Wheeling)   In a move sure to invoke civil and well-thought-out reactions from people outside the school, Steubenville High School lets one of the two convicted rapists back on the football team   (wtrf.com) divider line 241
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2014-08-11 05:58:43 PM  
My first thought was "Why was he not in prison?"

Then I read up on the sentencing "Each defendant received the minimum sentence for their convicted crimes"

God dammit.
 
2014-08-11 06:03:35 PM  

marius2: My first thought was "Why was he not in prison?"

Then I read up on the sentencing "Each defendant received the minimum sentence for their convicted crimes"

God dammit.


Yeah but it's the maximum sentence for an athlete in America.
 
2014-08-11 06:08:50 PM  
I hope other teams in the league show some class and refuse to play his team.
 
2014-08-11 07:52:46 PM  
We can always hope for a debilitating concussion.
 
2014-08-11 08:13:48 PM  
On the plus side, after having served time and now having to register as a sex offender, he can serve as an example to the rest of the team about how it's not worth it to do anything unless you're 100% positive that you have consent.  Maybe he can now be a good example.
 
2014-08-11 08:41:25 PM  
You expected less?
 
2014-08-11 09:00:32 PM  
So the judge concluded, "she was asking for it?"
 
2014-08-11 09:09:11 PM  
Well I mean, come on people...they have a real shot at State this year! What was the school supposed to do?
 
2014-08-11 09:11:44 PM  
But these BOYS have A LIFE and that is more important than anything bad they've done!

They paid their dues!

You can't punish them now, they need to get into college!

Etc.
 
2014-08-11 09:14:03 PM  
Well, he said he's sorry. Didn't he? Well, did he? TELL ME HE DID! Godammit.
 
2014-08-11 09:15:38 PM  

marius2: My first thought was "Why was he not in prison?"

Then I read up on the sentencing "Each defendant received the minimum sentence for their convicted crimes"

God dammit.


The punishment was commensurate with the crime as the victim got over it after a couple days.
 
2014-08-11 09:16:26 PM  
Buy me tickets to his first game, I want to see everyone on the field jump him and everyone in the stands decide they want a piece
 
2014-08-11 09:16:29 PM  
What. The. fark.
 
2014-08-11 09:17:38 PM  

grokca: I hope other teams in the league show some class and refuse to play his team.


Or single them (the two rapists) out for the most aggressive tackles.
 
2014-08-11 09:18:40 PM  
But we have a chance at state this year!
 
2014-08-11 09:19:29 PM  

zarker: Buy me tickets to his first game, I want to see everyone on the field jump him and everyone in the stands decide they want a piece


I was thinking something similar, he's likely going to be a target for some otherwise unnecessarily violent tackles in every game. I'm OK with this.
 
2014-08-11 09:19:31 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: On the plus side, after having served time and now having to register as a sex offender, he can serve as an example to the rest of the team about how it's not worth it to do anything unless you're 100% positive that you have consent.  Maybe he can now be a good example.


What example?
That you can horrifically violate people but as long as you are a good athlete no one will care?
 
2014-08-11 09:22:29 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: TuteTibiImperes: On the plus side, after having served time and now having to register as a sex offender, he can serve as an example to the rest of the team about how it's not worth it to do anything unless you're 100% positive that you have consent.  Maybe he can now be a good example.

What example?
That you can horrifically violate people but as long as you are a good athlete no one will care?


If you consider being incarcerated for the better part of a year and having to register as a sex offender as no one caring, sure.  The sentence was lighter than it could have been, but it wasn't a 'probation and your record is wiped clean when you turn 18' slap on the wrist either.

If we accept that the justice system should have a rehabilitative role we have to accept that those who have served their sentences with good behavior should be able to rejoin society and have the chance to build some sort of normalcy in their lives afterwards.
 
2014-08-11 09:23:15 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: On the plus side, after having served time and now having to register as a sex offender, he can serve as an example to the rest of the team about how it's not worth it to do anything unless you're 100% positive that you have consent.  Maybe he can now be a good example.


I'd be willing to bet that, when asked, he'll tell his fellow players "the biatch wanted it."
 
2014-08-11 09:24:23 PM  

zarker: Buy me tickets to his first game, I want to see everyone on the field jump him and everyone in the stands decide they want a piece


This is not what will happen. People will stand and clap and all the things because FOOTBALL.

People are stupid, and shaming girls is easier than accepting that they have a rapist on the team.
 
2014-08-11 09:25:31 PM  
I thought sex offenders weren't allowed to go on school grounds...
 
2014-08-11 09:26:45 PM  
Just good preparation for college and then the NFL.
 
2014-08-11 09:30:30 PM  
I'd be a lot more outraged if these were actual adults.  They were under 18 and the law treats kids different then adults for a damn good reason.
 
2014-08-11 09:31:39 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: TuteTibiImperes: On the plus side, after having served time and now having to register as a sex offender, he can serve as an example to the rest of the team about how it's not worth it to do anything unless you're 100% positive that you have consent.  Maybe he can now be a good example.

What example?
That you can horrifically violate people but as long as you are a good athlete no one will care?


Jameis as Jamedoes.
 
2014-08-11 09:33:25 PM  

Warlordtrooper: I'd be a lot more outraged if these were actual adults.  They were under 18 and the law treats kids different then adults for a damn good reason.


So the lesson the kids learn is "if you're a good enough athlete you'll never be kicked off the team for being a criminal".  Brilliant.
 
2014-08-11 09:33:32 PM  

Badmoodman: Just good preparation for college and then the NFL.


Pretty much.  I don't see why this is so shocking or outrageous.  It's not as if the two convicted are unique to the culture on that team.  The guy is just rejoining the rest of his rapist friends.  At least the school is keeping them all in one place.

And yeah I'm being facetious.
 
2014-08-11 09:34:13 PM  

Warlordtrooper: I'd be a lot more outraged if these were actual adults.  They were under 18 and the law treats kids different then adults for a damn good reason.


But if they had smoked a joint and done not a damn thing to anybody else, they would still be incarcerated and banned from ever playing organized sports anywhere, ever, because marijuana is worse than rape.
 
2014-08-11 09:34:16 PM  
You just don't screw with Football.
 
2014-08-11 09:35:10 PM  

Warlordtrooper: I'd be a lot more outraged if these were actual adults.  They were under 18 and the law treats kids different then adults for a damn good reason.


Unless the law is going to allow for charging adults because their kids are such colossal jerkbags, children should be charged just the same.
 
2014-08-11 09:35:49 PM  

FraggleStickCar: And yeah I'm being facetious.


Yeah right
 
2014-08-11 09:38:04 PM  

Lokasenna: Warlordtrooper: I'd be a lot more outraged if these were actual adults.  They were under 18 and the law treats kids different then adults for a damn good reason.

Unless the law is going to allow for charging adults because their kids are such colossal jerkbags, children should be charged just the same.


No they shouldn't, kids do not have the same mental capabilities as adults do,  they don't have the same maturity that life experience teaches ether.  The law recognizes this fact.  It's absurd to even suggest that they should be treated the same as adults.  Where do we draw the line?  Should the 3 year old who draws chalk on the wall be charged as an adult for vandalism?
 
2014-08-11 09:39:33 PM  

zarker: Buy me tickets to his first game, I want to see everyone on the field jump him and everyone in the stands decide they want a piece


Wasn't this case the one where the local community had rallied around the rapists and were sending death threats to the victim?  I doubt the local fans will be too ready to form a lynch mob.

Now, an opposing player who may have had a sister who was a victim of assault, on the other hand...
 
2014-08-11 09:41:24 PM  
Stay classy coach.

He must be from the NFL school of how to treat women.
 
2014-08-11 09:42:12 PM  
If we are lucky no college will let them near it when they graduate. Just wish anybody involved in the coverup is at least fired.
 
2014-08-11 09:43:53 PM  
He could be a star for Florida State and later the Pittsburgh Steelers.
 
2014-08-11 09:44:03 PM  

groppet: If we are lucky no college will let them near it when they graduate. Just wish anybody involved in the coverup is at least fired.


Are you familiar with college football these days? If they are truly good, lots of schools will pursue them. Big time college football programs know how to make sexual assault cases go away.
 
2014-08-11 09:45:02 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Lokasenna: Warlordtrooper: I'd be a lot more outraged if these were actual adults.  They were under 18 and the law treats kids different then adults for a damn good reason.

Unless the law is going to allow for charging adults because their kids are such colossal jerkbags, children should be charged just the same.

No they shouldn't, kids do not have the same mental capabilities as adults do,  they don't have the same maturity that life experience teaches ether.  The law recognizes this fact.  It's absurd to even suggest that they should be treated the same as adults.  Where do we draw the line?  Should the 3 year old who draws chalk on the wall be charged as an adult for vandalism?


Correct.  And as such the focus on punishment for minors is usually some form of rehabilitation and/or learning right from wrong.  Letting these convicted rapists back on the football team (which is not a right, but a privilege) shows them and their peers the world values their athletic talents so much they can do whatever they want off the field and still enjoy the benefits of privileged athlete status.

A prime example to start attacking the trend of meathead violence and sexual assault was lost here.  If you support running athletic programs with a blind eye to criminal behavior like this at the HS level then you support it at all levels and can't possibly have any moral standing to complain when it happens in college or the pros.
 
2014-08-11 09:45:56 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Lokasenna: Warlordtrooper: I'd be a lot more outraged if these were actual adults.  They were under 18 and the law treats kids different then adults for a damn good reason.

Unless the law is going to allow for charging adults because their kids are such colossal jerkbags, children should be charged just the same.

No they shouldn't, kids do not have the same mental capabilities as adults do,  they don't have the same maturity that life experience teaches ether.  The law recognizes this fact.  It's absurd to even suggest that they should be treated the same as adults.  Where do we draw the line?  Should the 3 year old who draws chalk on the wall be charged as an adult for vandalism?


The committed crime was an adult crime though. That's like saying kids should get off easier for drunk driving. If you're gonna act old enough to be doing it in the first place you can get adult consequences too.
 
2014-08-11 09:47:26 PM  
I also feel that his parents are at fault here.

The parents should not even be allowing this boy to consider football, which is a privilege.

FFS, if your grades are low you can't play football, but a conviction of rape is no big deal.
 
2014-08-11 09:47:36 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: On the plus side, after having served time and now having to register as a sex offender, he can serve as an example to the rest of the team about how it's not worth it to do anything unless you're 100% positive that you have consent.  Maybe he can now be a good example.


Well he's a football player so he would have to be 110% sure...
 
2014-08-11 09:50:00 PM  

Nabb1: groppet: If we are lucky no college will let them near it when they graduate. Just wish anybody involved in the coverup is at least fired.

Are you familiar with college football these days? If they are truly good, lots of schools will pursue them. Big time college football programs know how to make sexual assault cases go away.


Reason #5439 for why training camps for professional teams need to be decoupled from college sports.
 
2014-08-11 09:51:31 PM  

grokca: I hope other teams in the league show some class and refuse snap his legs like Joe Theismann. to play his team.


Better...
 
2014-08-11 09:51:48 PM  

Zuzax: I thought sex offenders weren't allowed to go on school grounds...


Zactly.
 
2014-08-11 09:52:38 PM  
Amazingly sad....  I cannot imagine how this monster is out of jail already and how in the holy fark would he be allowed back on the high school football team is just unfathomable.

I hope at a minimum the opposing fans of every team Stuebenville plays gives this jackarse the Cameron treatment and I would not shed a tear should he come down with "Stingley's Disease..."
 
2014-08-11 09:52:42 PM  

lordjupiter: Warlordtrooper: Lokasenna: Warlordtrooper: I'd be a lot more outraged if these were actual adults.  They were under 18 and the law treats kids different then adults for a damn good reason.

Unless the law is going to allow for charging adults because their kids are such colossal jerkbags, children should be charged just the same.

No they shouldn't, kids do not have the same mental capabilities as adults do,  they don't have the same maturity that life experience teaches ether.  The law recognizes this fact.  It's absurd to even suggest that they should be treated the same as adults.  Where do we draw the line?  Should the 3 year old who draws chalk on the wall be charged as an adult for vandalism?

Correct.  And as such the focus on punishment for minors is usually some form of rehabilitation and/or learning right from wrong.  Letting these convicted rapists back on the football team (which is not a right, but a privilege) shows them and their peers the world values their athletic talents so much they can do whatever they want off the field and still enjoy the benefits of privileged athlete status.

A prime example to start attacking the trend of meathead violence and sexual assault was lost here.  If you support running athletic programs with a blind eye to criminal behavior like this at the HS level then you support it at all levels and can't possibly have any moral standing to complain when it happens in college or the pros.


He was kicked off of the team, he was locked up in a juvenile facility, he served his time there with good behavior, and now, afterwards, he is being allowed to rejoin the team.

Isn't the goal of rehabilitation to be able to live a normal and productive life again afterwards?  What other things shouldn't he be able to do having served his time?

He does have to register as a sex offender now, so that means he won't be able to work in any job with children, he'll have far fewer options for employment even in jobs that don't involve kids, many colleges won't even consider him, and he'll have to notify the police and/or neighbors whenever he moves.

He could have robbed somebody at gunpoint or beat someone half to death and not have faced as sever of consequences.
 
2014-08-11 09:53:10 PM  
Richmond was found delinquent of raping a 16-year-old girl

WUUTTT?
 
2014-08-11 09:53:39 PM  

stuffy: You just don't screw with Football.


If you screw with football, the punishment is more severe than raping a drunk, teenage girl.
 
2014-08-11 09:53:44 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: lordjupiter: Warlordtrooper: Lokasenna: Warlordtrooper: I'd be a lot more outraged if these were actual adults.  They were under 18 and the law treats kids different then adults for a damn good reason.

Unless the law is going to allow for charging adults because their kids are such colossal jerkbags, children should be charged just the same.

No they shouldn't, kids do not have the same mental capabilities as adults do,  they don't have the same maturity that life experience teaches ether.  The law recognizes this fact.  It's absurd to even suggest that they should be treated the same as adults.  Where do we draw the line?  Should the 3 year old who draws chalk on the wall be charged as an adult for vandalism?

Correct.  And as such the focus on punishment for minors is usually some form of rehabilitation and/or learning right from wrong.  Letting these convicted rapists back on the football team (which is not a right, but a privilege) shows them and their peers the world values their athletic talents so much they can do whatever they want off the field and still enjoy the benefits of privileged athlete status.

A prime example to start attacking the trend of meathead violence and sexual assault was lost here.  If you support running athletic programs with a blind eye to criminal behavior like this at the HS level then you support it at all levels and can't possibly have any moral standing to complain when it happens in college or the pros.

He was kicked off of the team, he was locked up in a juvenile facility, he served his time there with good behavior, and now, afterwards, he is being allowed to rejoin the team.

Isn't the goal of rehabilitation to be able to live a normal and productive life again afterwards?  What other things shouldn't he be able to do having served his time?

He does have to register as a sex offender now, so that means he won't be able to work in any job with children, he'll have far fewer options for employment even in jobs that don't involve kids, many colleges won't even consider him, and he'll have to notify the police and/or neighbors whenever he moves.

He could have robbed somebody at gunpoint or beat someone half to death and not have faced as severe of consequences.


FTFM
 
2014-08-11 09:55:39 PM  

So, we're apologizing for rapists on Fark now?

 
2014-08-11 09:56:02 PM  
Richmond was found delinquent of raping a 16-year-old girl

So he insufficiently raped her?

Or he raped her too late for something?
 
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