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2014-08-11 07:51:01 PM  
Fitting that an article about Discovery ends up on the Entertainment Tab.
 
2014-08-11 08:34:46 PM  
This is just... I have no words.  Remember when Discovery ran legit programming?

/History is trending in the same direction but hasn't reached Discovery's level.
//TLC might be farthest gone.
 
2014-08-11 08:55:31 PM  

Nefarious: This is just... I have no words.  Remember when Discovery ran legit programming?


Came to ask that question. I guess there is no one with a brain left to entertain in TV Exec Land.
 
2014-08-11 10:28:38 PM  
10 years ago everyone I knew was watching Shark Week.

Now I didn't even realize it was going on because I don't watch anything on Discovery.

/Lost all respect for them after the Megalodon shiat last year
 
2014-08-11 10:38:49 PM  
The smartest thing the Mythbusters did was tell the producers to get farked early in the series and then work very very hard to keep them farked. Remember, if the producers had had their way originally, Mythbusters would look like American Chopper.
 
2014-08-11 10:38:56 PM  
Just how hard would it be to produce a science / history channel via internet streaming?  With the complete demise of everything that actually presented science, history, archeology, etc that wasn't sensationalist bullshiat could someone or a some group do that with crowd funding or community production?  Small budget, little to no CGI and honest information?
 
2014-08-11 10:40:28 PM  

scottydoesntknow: 10 years ago everyone I knew was watching Shark Week.

Now I didn't even realize it was going on because I don't watch anything on Discovery.

/Lost all respect for them after the Megalodon shiat last year


How could you miss the ads. They have been all over my TV....
 
2014-08-11 10:42:01 PM  
I feel like we as a society are taking one step forward and two back. We can't even have science programs for the massive amount of people clearly interested in them.
 
2014-08-11 10:43:08 PM  
Discovery and History were the reason I cut my cable service ten years ago.

Not kidding.
 
2014-08-11 10:47:05 PM  

studebaker hoch: Discovery and History were the reason I cut my cable service ten years ago.

Not kidding.


Can't say I blame you. It's painful to watch the "Bravo Effect" spreading across bandwidth like a cancer.
 
2014-08-11 10:50:20 PM  

Nogrhi: Just how hard would it be to produce a science / history channel via internet streaming?  With the complete demise of everything that actually presented science, history, archeology, etc that wasn't sensationalist bullshiat could someone or a some group do that with crowd funding or community production?  Small budget, little to no CGI and honest information?


That could be an interesting fark project. I would be happy to chip in for Physics stuff-I've been told I'm good at explaining fairly tricky concepts to the laymen.

I've also been told that I explain and act like a doppelganger of... some guy name Seth Green (Hank Green? Vlog brothers, whose stuff I'm told I need to see).
 
2014-08-11 10:50:44 PM  

ilikeracecars: I feel like we as a society are taking one step forward and two back. We can't even have science programs for the massive amount of people clearly interested in them.


A very vocal minority has convinced far too many people that science is evil. Authoritarians want to ensure that you don't ask questions. The rich want to ensure that you receive the best occupational training you deserve, and that you're forced to pay through the nose for anything else.

What's not to understand? America has taken a huge anti-intellectual turn, because we've gone down the authoritarian road - authoritarianism and anti-intellectualism march together in lock-step. Thus, the History Channel keeps airing thinly-veiled Christian programming, the Learning Channel keeps pushing reality TV bullshiat, and the Discovery Channel actively works to prevent you from discovering anything they don't want you to know.

Lovely, isn't it?
 
2014-08-11 10:51:51 PM  

ilikeracecars: I feel like we as a society are taking one step forward and two back. We can't even have science programs for the massive amount of people clearly interested in them.


Seriously. Tech TV gets ganked by a network that is now itself dead, TLC becomes Circus Freak Central, Discovery is Mythbusters And A Lot Of Screamy Horsepucky. Even the Science Channel is having a goddamned paranormal marathon tomorrow... but first, a four-hour daytime block of Most Outrageous Acts Of Science, in which perfectly good scientists are marched in front of a camera to tell you about the science behind YouTube jackasses who leap into cactus patches on purpose.

You basically have to jump all over the dial to find individual shows that are each the one worthwhile thing on their respective networks.
 
2014-08-11 10:54:21 PM  

Nogrhi: Just how hard would it be to produce a science / history channel via internet streaming?  With the complete demise of everything that actually presented science, history, archeology, etc that wasn't sensationalist bullshiat could someone or a some group do that with crowd funding or community production?  Small budget, little to no CGI and honest information?


Before the proxies got too fubared, the wife and I used to watch the BBC's iPlayer.  Now, the BBC has some absolute dreck on it, but it also had a metric shiat-ton of science and history programming that was top-notch.  If they had an option to pay a fee for non-Brits to watch the iPlayer, my money would hit their wallets so fast it would break a few laws of relativity.
 
2014-08-11 10:54:53 PM  

Felgraf: Nogrhi: Just how hard would it be to produce a science / history channel via internet streaming?  With the complete demise of everything that actually presented science, history, archeology, etc that wasn't sensationalist bullshiat could someone or a some group do that with crowd funding or community production?  Small budget, little to no CGI and honest information?

That could be an interesting fark project. I would be happy to chip in for Physics stuff-I've been told I'm good at explaining fairly tricky concepts to the laymen.

I've also been told that I explain and act like a doppelganger of... some guy name Seth Green (Hank Green? Vlog brothers, whose stuff I'm told I need to see).


Plenty of universities have podcasts of classes. You can basically audit your way through anything you thought was interesting.
 
2014-08-11 10:57:08 PM  

FormlessOne: A very vocal minority has convinced far too many people that science is evil. Authoritarians want to ensure that you don't ask questions. The rich want to ensure that you receive the best occupational training you deserve, and that you're forced to pay through the nose for anything else.


No, it's not really that sinister. It's more like network execs who can't see past the next sweeps period and have precious few ideas of their own but plenty of 'suggestions' to 'improve' someone else's ideas. They start with a network adhering to its original stated mission, and one day a reality show gets slipped into the schedule, gets a quickie boost of rubbernecking viewers, and decide the whole network ought to be filled with more shows 'like that'. Cue a network filled with garbage and the original mission left a flaming, crying wreck in a ditch somewhere.
 
2014-08-11 10:57:14 PM  

FormlessOne: studebaker hoch: Discovery and History were the reason I cut my cable service ten years ago.

Not kidding.

Can't say I blame you. It's painful to watch the "Bravo Effect" spreading across bandwidth like a cancer.


The only channel that improved was AMC, which went from showing stale old movies (TCM was always better at that) to some of the best original programming on TV.  But, toherwise, the channel that underwent that transformation turned to pure shiat.
 
2014-08-11 11:05:42 PM  
T.V. is the one place where I feel hipsterism is good. Cable/Dish used to pander to the people who could pay for it. Had some good stuff. Suddenly cable is a life necessity and cheaper (BUNDLEBUNDLEBUNDLE. WHY WON'T YOU BUNDLE, CONSUMER?!) it's basically over the air T.V.. Lowest common denominator always brings in the most money.

It's only sad because when one channel disappears down the money hole, there is no replacement.
 
2014-08-11 11:06:43 PM  

Gosling: ilikeracecars: I feel like we as a society are taking one step forward and two back. We can't even have science programs for the massive amount of people clearly interested in them.

Seriously. Tech TV gets ganked by a network that is now itself dead, TLC becomes Circus Freak Central, Discovery is Mythbusters And A Lot Of Screamy Horsepucky. Even the Science Channel is having a goddamned paranormal marathon tomorrow... but first, a four-hour daytime block of Most Outrageous Acts Of Science, in which perfectly good scientists are marched in front of a camera to tell you about the science behind YouTube jackasses who leap into cactus patches on purpose.

You basically have to jump all over the dial to find individual shows that are each the one worthwhile thing on their respective networks.


Tech TV isn't dead, it's just gone to better place: Twit.tv. Apparently, Leo Laporte is doing better running his own network than he ever did working for the cable companies. He's got full control and he's keeping it nerdy.

Hell, just the other week he had Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle on one of his shows and they randomly talked about the process of writing Lucifer's Hammer in the middle of Leo's weekly tech news podcast. You just don't get that kind of uncut geekiness on cable TV.

/Apparently Jerry is a big fan of the Surface Pro 3.
 
2014-08-11 11:08:41 PM  
Shart Week on Comedy Central, however, remains unsullied by similar shenanigans.
 
2014-08-11 11:08:52 PM  

Gosling: FormlessOne: A very vocal minority has convinced far too many people that science is evil. Authoritarians want to ensure that you don't ask questions. The rich want to ensure that you receive the best occupational training you deserve, and that you're forced to pay through the nose for anything else.

No, it's not really that sinister. It's more like network execs who can't see past the next sweeps period and have precious few ideas of their own but plenty of 'suggestions' to 'improve' someone else's ideas. They start with a network adhering to its original stated mission, and one day a reality show gets slipped into the schedule, gets a quickie boost of rubbernecking viewers, and decide the whole network ought to be filled with more shows 'like that'. Cue a network filled with garbage and the original mission left a flaming, crying wreck in a ditch somewhere.


I believe that it really is that sinister - it's not a coordinated conspiracy, though, mind you. It's a combination of social factors, political factors, wealth inequity, rising authoritarianism, and the need for capitalism to exploit opportunity.
 
2014-08-11 11:12:18 PM  
You can't dumb people down and educate them at the same time. Which is the trend that we see in popular culture?
 
2014-08-11 11:14:09 PM  
Holy shiat, careers are ruined for scientist with this kind of shiat. And they sign their right to sue away when they do these interviews.
 
2014-08-11 11:17:40 PM  
Meanwhile, I'm really not sure what the TV Guide Channel is still doing being around. It started out as the Prevue Channel and its whole purpose was to be (very slow-moving) televised TV listings. Then TV Guide bought it... and then DVR's came along and made the whole thing redundant, forcing them to start airing actual programming on it. They haven't had a clue what to do with it since.
 
2014-08-11 11:17:56 PM  
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2014-08-11 11:19:53 PM  

Gosling: ilikeracecars: I feel like we as a society are taking one step forward and two back. We can't even have science programs for the massive amount of people clearly interested in them.

Seriously. Tech TV gets ganked by a network that is now itself dead, TLC becomes Circus Freak Central, Discovery is Mythbusters And A Lot Of Screamy Horsepucky. Even the Science Channel is having a goddamned paranormal marathon tomorrow... but first, a four-hour daytime block of Most Outrageous Acts Of Science, in which perfectly good scientists are marched in front of a camera to tell you about the science behind YouTube jackasses who leap into cactus patches on purpose.

You basically have to jump all over the dial to find individual shows that are each the one worthwhile thing on their respective networks.


I don't even really blame the networks (except in this particular case), I blame us. These channels are driven by the market, my only positive spin is that they pay for the serious documentaries with the money made by showing us wrestling on the sci-fi channel and the daily lives of short people.
 
2014-08-11 11:22:30 PM  
citizenscientician.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-08-11 11:23:10 PM  

FormlessOne: ilikeracecars: I feel like we as a society are taking one step forward and two back. We can't even have science programs for the massive amount of people clearly interested in them.

A very vocal minority has convinced far too many people that science is evil. Authoritarians want to ensure that you don't ask questions. The rich want to ensure that you receive the best occupational training you deserve, and that you're forced to pay through the nose for anything else.

What's not to understand? America has taken a huge anti-intellectual turn, because we've gone down the authoritarian road - authoritarianism and anti-intellectualism march together in lock-step. Thus, the History Channel keeps airing thinly-veiled Christian programming, the Learning Channel keeps pushing reality TV bullshiat, and the Discovery Channel actively works to prevent you from discovering anything they don't want you to know.

Lovely, isn't it?


Read any Mencken and it will be pretty depressingly obvious that this is not a new development. We've always been this way.
 
2014-08-11 11:29:04 PM  
So in other words, they are using the Michael Moore method of making a documentary?
 
2014-08-11 11:30:15 PM  

Gosling: Meanwhile, I'm really not sure what the TV Guide Channel is still doing being around. It started out as the Prevue Channel and its whole purpose was to be (very slow-moving) televised TV listings. Then TV Guide bought it... and then DVR's came along and made the whole thing redundant, forcing them to start airing actual programming on it. They haven't had a clue what to do with it since.


During the summer its main purpose is to run Big Brother After Dark.
 
2014-08-11 11:32:03 PM  

Gosling: ilikeracecars: I feel like we as a society are taking one step forward and two back. We can't even have science programs for the massive amount of people clearly interested in them.

Seriously. Tech TV gets ganked by a network that is now itself dead, TLC becomes Circus Freak Central, Discovery is Mythbusters And A Lot Of Screamy Horsepucky. Even the Science Channel is having a goddamned paranormal marathon tomorrow... but first, a four-hour daytime block of Most Outrageous Acts Of Science, in which perfectly good scientists are marched in front of a camera to tell you about the science behind YouTube jackasses who leap into cactus patches on purpose.

You basically have to jump all over the dial to find individual shows that are each the one worthwhile thing on their respective networks.


You forgot to add in Investigation Discovery. A channel about legit crime solving and now turned into a 24/7 dramatizations about cheating couples and swamp murders

/Not kidding they have a show called Swamp Murders now
 
2014-08-11 11:37:05 PM  

styckx: Gosling: ilikeracecars: I feel like we as a society are taking one step forward and two back. We can't even have science programs for the massive amount of people clearly interested in them.

Seriously. Tech TV gets ganked by a network that is now itself dead, TLC becomes Circus Freak Central, Discovery is Mythbusters And A Lot Of Screamy Horsepucky. Even the Science Channel is having a goddamned paranormal marathon tomorrow... but first, a four-hour daytime block of Most Outrageous Acts Of Science, in which perfectly good scientists are marched in front of a camera to tell you about the science behind YouTube jackasses who leap into cactus patches on purpose.

You basically have to jump all over the dial to find individual shows that are each the one worthwhile thing on their respective networks.

You forgot to add in Investigation Discovery. A channel about legit crime solving and now turned into a 24/7 dramatizations about cheating couples and swamp murders

/Not kidding they have a show called Swamp Murders now


At least they didn't keep airing that one series with the psychic... And how did they talk Joe Kenda into appearing in that *STUPID* commercial?

My biggest ID facepalm moment: last Halloween, they had a special devoted to killers named Mary.

Gosling: The smartest thing the Mythbusters did was tell the producers to get farked early in the series and then work very very hard to keep them farked. Remember, if the producers had had their way originally, Mythbusters would look like American Chopper.


I'm intrigued, I've never heard this before... Details?
 
2014-08-11 11:38:39 PM  

addy2: FormlessOne: ilikeracecars: I feel like we as a society are taking one step forward and two back. We can't even have science programs for the massive amount of people clearly interested in them.

A very vocal minority has convinced far too many people that science is evil. Authoritarians want to ensure that you don't ask questions. The rich want to ensure that you receive the best occupational training you deserve, and that you're forced to pay through the nose for anything else.

What's not to understand? America has taken a huge anti-intellectual turn, because we've gone down the authoritarian road - authoritarianism and anti-intellectualism march together in lock-step. Thus, the History Channel keeps airing thinly-veiled Christian programming, the Learning Channel keeps pushing reality TV bullshiat, and the Discovery Channel actively works to prevent you from discovering anything they don't want you to know.

Lovely, isn't it?

Read any Mencken and it will be pretty depressingly obvious that this is not a new development. We've always been this way.


We've had our ups and downs. I honestly thought that we were headed for a second Enlightenment, until Saint Ronnie took office and we started another long, dark slide downward.
 
2014-08-11 11:39:08 PM  

whither_apophis: Felgraf: Nogrhi: Just how hard would it be to produce a science / history channel via internet streaming?  With the complete demise of everything that actually presented science, history, archeology, etc that wasn't sensationalist bullshiat could someone or a some group do that with crowd funding or community production?  Small budget, little to no CGI and honest information?

That could be an interesting fark project. I would be happy to chip in for Physics stuff-I've been told I'm good at explaining fairly tricky concepts to the laymen.

I've also been told that I explain and act like a doppelganger of... some guy name Seth Green (Hank Green? Vlog brothers, whose stuff I'm told I need to see).

Plenty of universities have podcasts of classes. You can basically audit your way through anything you thought was interesting.


SciShow and Crash Course on YouTube are what you're looking for. John and Hank Green run both shows (along with Vlogbrothers and several other channels). They both do amazing work. John just for back from a trip to Africa with Bill farking Gates. They are the Champions of intellectualism on the Internet.

Those two channels above cover science and history, but to get your math fix I highly recommend ViHart. I have a huge crush on her brain.
 
2014-08-11 11:41:27 PM  
Simple: Sue for misrepresentation.


Conversely it is the reason why the Daily show is never sued: The questions are exactly as asked and the producers can provide a complete copy of the video to prove it; to the point if the interviewee stumbles the interviewer will re-ask the question and have the interviewee give the complete answer so there is no misunderstanding or misrepresentation.
 
2014-08-11 11:42:18 PM  

Paris1127: styckx: Gosling: ilikeracecars: I feel like we as a society are taking one step forward and two back. We can't even have science programs for the massive amount of people clearly interested in them.

Seriously. Tech TV gets ganked by a network that is now itself dead, TLC becomes Circus Freak Central, Discovery is Mythbusters And A Lot Of Screamy Horsepucky. Even the Science Channel is having a goddamned paranormal marathon tomorrow... but first, a four-hour daytime block of Most Outrageous Acts Of Science, in which perfectly good scientists are marched in front of a camera to tell you about the science behind YouTube jackasses who leap into cactus patches on purpose.

You basically have to jump all over the dial to find individual shows that are each the one worthwhile thing on their respective networks.

You forgot to add in Investigation Discovery. A channel about legit crime solving and now turned into a 24/7 dramatizations about cheating couples and swamp murders

/Not kidding they have a show called Swamp Murders now

At least they didn't keep airing that one series with the psychic... And how did they talk Joe Kenda into appearing in that *STUPID* commercial?

My biggest ID facepalm moment: last Halloween, they had a special devoted to killers named Mary.

Gosling: The smartest thing the Mythbusters did was tell the producers to get farked early in the series and then work very very hard to keep them farked. Remember, if the producers had had their way originally, Mythbusters would look like American Chopper.

I'm intrigued, I've never heard this before... Details?


Still, ID is a shiat channel. They used to have real farking cool shows.. Remember The Shift?  That show was farking awesome. It was like The First 48 yet more involved and detailed..
 
2014-08-11 11:44:22 PM  

styckx: Gosling: ilikeracecars: I feel like we as a society are taking one step forward and two back. We can't even have science programs for the massive amount of people clearly interested in them.

Seriously. Tech TV gets ganked by a network that is now itself dead, TLC becomes Circus Freak Central, Discovery is Mythbusters And A Lot Of Screamy Horsepucky. Even the Science Channel is having a goddamned paranormal marathon tomorrow... but first, a four-hour daytime block of Most Outrageous Acts Of Science, in which perfectly good scientists are marched in front of a camera to tell you about the science behind YouTube jackasses who leap into cactus patches on purpose.

You basically have to jump all over the dial to find individual shows that are each the one worthwhile thing on their respective networks.

You forgot to add in Investigation Discovery. A channel about legit crime solving and now turned into a 24/7 dramatizations about cheating couples and swamp murders

/Not kidding they have a show called Swamp Murders now


Did they get those Duck Dynasty tools finally?
 
2014-08-11 11:45:46 PM  

FormlessOne: addy2: FormlessOne: ilikeracecars: I feel like we as a society are taking one step forward and two back. We can't even have science programs for the massive amount of people clearly interested in them.

A very vocal minority has convinced far too many people that science is evil. Authoritarians want to ensure that you don't ask questions. The rich want to ensure that you receive the best occupational training you deserve, and that you're forced to pay through the nose for anything else.

What's not to understand? America has taken a huge anti-intellectual turn, because we've gone down the authoritarian road - authoritarianism and anti-intellectualism march together in lock-step. Thus, the History Channel keeps airing thinly-veiled Christian programming, the Learning Channel keeps pushing reality TV bullshiat, and the Discovery Channel actively works to prevent you from discovering anything they don't want you to know.

Lovely, isn't it?

Read any Mencken and it will be pretty depressingly obvious that this is not a new development. We've always been this way.

We've had our ups and downs. I honestly thought that we were headed for a second Enlightenment, until Saint Ronnie took office and we started another long, dark slide downward.


Spent years trying to figure out why we would sink as we did in those years. I can only guess it was always in us. There were a few years where we had convinced ourselves otherwise. But give us a figure head who encourages our ugly natures and out they come.
 
2014-08-11 11:46:08 PM  

Paris1127: I'm intrigued, I've never heard this before... Details?


That was the original plan, to have Jamie and Adam have arguments on camera ala American Chopper. You can see that most visibly in the sinking-through-quicksand myth, the argument that ended with Jamie saying 'Adam needs a cookie'. At about that point, they put their foot down, told the producers it was unprofessional, and they weren't going to do that anymore.

Later on in the series, it was a producer's idea in the Baghdad Battery myth to hook up those gold foil wings to a cattle prod instead of the batteries. Adam was pissed off and stormed off. So were the other Mythbusters... at the producer who put them up to it. When the producer suggested the remaining Mythbusters go follow Adam, they flat-out told him no, because Adam needed some alone time. (Adam always follows this story up with a note that the producer has since been fired.)
 
2014-08-11 11:46:58 PM  

fusillade762: styckx: Gosling: ilikeracecars: I feel like we as a society are taking one step forward and two back. We can't even have science programs for the massive amount of people clearly interested in them.

Seriously. Tech TV gets ganked by a network that is now itself dead, TLC becomes Circus Freak Central, Discovery is Mythbusters And A Lot Of Screamy Horsepucky. Even the Science Channel is having a goddamned paranormal marathon tomorrow... but first, a four-hour daytime block of Most Outrageous Acts Of Science, in which perfectly good scientists are marched in front of a camera to tell you about the science behind YouTube jackasses who leap into cactus patches on purpose.

You basically have to jump all over the dial to find individual shows that are each the one worthwhile thing on their respective networks.

You forgot to add in Investigation Discovery. A channel about legit crime solving and now turned into a 24/7 dramatizations about cheating couples and swamp murders

/Not kidding they have a show called Swamp Murders now

Did they get those Duck Dynasty tools finally?


Could only wish...
 
2014-08-11 11:48:30 PM  

Prophet of Loss: [citizenscientician.files.wordpress.com image 180x240]


Done in...let's see, how many is that, one two three four...done in 27!
 
2014-08-11 11:59:33 PM  

FormlessOne: ilikeracecars: I feel like we as a society are taking one step forward and two back. We can't even have science programs for the massive amount of people clearly interested in them.

A very vocal minority has convinced far too many people that science is evil. Authoritarians want to ensure that you don't ask questions. The rich want to ensure that you receive the best occupational training you deserve, and that you're forced to pay through the nose for anything else.

What's not to understand? America has taken a huge anti-intellectual turn, because we've gone down the authoritarian road - authoritarianism and anti-intellectualism march together in lock-step. Thus, the History Channel keeps airing thinly-veiled Christian programming, the Learning Channel keeps pushing reality TV bullshiat, and the Discovery Channel actively works to prevent you from discovering anything they don't want you to know.

Lovely, isn't it?


I doubt the corporation that runs The Discovery Channel has an anti-science agenda. They will air whatever gets the most eyeballs and therefore the most revenue from their advertisers.
 
2014-08-12 12:02:03 AM  

Gosling: FormlessOne: A very vocal minority has convinced far too many people that science is evil. Authoritarians want to ensure that you don't ask questions. The rich want to ensure that you receive the best occupational training you deserve, and that you're forced to pay through the nose for anything else.

No, it's not really that sinister. It's more like network execs who can't see past the next sweeps period and have precious few ideas of their own but plenty of 'suggestions' to 'improve' someone else's ideas. They start with a network adhering to its original stated mission, and one day a reality show gets slipped into the schedule, gets a quickie boost of rubbernecking viewers, and decide the whole network ought to be filled with more shows 'like that'. Cue a network filled with garbage and the original mission left a flaming, crying wreck in a ditch somewhere.


This.

Prime examples are Cartoon Network and Sy Fy. Cartoon Network's execs decided to cut shows that were actually good and instead put in a lot of Live Action programming. The Cartoon network, not showing cartoons. Eventually they figured out no one wanted their live action trash and started putting popular programming and cartoons back on, like Toonami.

The person placed at the top of Sy Fy admitted that she did not like science fiction at all. This is why Sy Fy ended up with huge blocks of Wrestling programming and Ghost hunters crap, and very little actual sci fi shows aside from the schlocky movies.

This goes as far back as MTV going from a channel of music videos to, well, no music videos.
 
2014-08-12 12:03:27 AM  

Gosling: Paris1127: I'm intrigued, I've never heard this before... Details?

That was the original plan, to have Jamie and Adam have arguments on camera ala American Chopper. You can see that most visibly in the sinking-through-quicksand myth, the argument that ended with Jamie saying 'Adam needs a cookie'. At about that point, they put their foot down, told the producers it was unprofessional, and they weren't going to do that anymore.

Later on in the series, it was a producer's idea in the Baghdad Battery myth to hook up those gold foil wings to a cattle prod instead of the batteries. Adam was pissed off and stormed off. So were the other Mythbusters... at the producer who put them up to it. When the producer suggested the remaining Mythbusters go follow Adam, they flat-out told him no, because Adam needed some alone time. (Adam always follows this story up with a note that the producer has since been fired.)


...really?!?

I always thought Baghdad Battery was them being slightly more childish than usual. Had no idea that was some behind the scenes producer bullshiat.
 
2014-08-12 12:08:05 AM  

Nogrhi: Just how hard would it be to produce a science / history channel via internet streaming?  With the complete demise of everything that actually presented science, history, archeology, etc that wasn't sensationalist bullshiat could someone or a some group do that with crowd funding or community production?  Small budget, little to no CGI and honest information?


Way ahead of you.
 
2014-08-12 12:18:04 AM  
I saw the Rob Lowe commercials and my thought was just "People still care?" "King of summer" my ass. More like Jump the Shark Week.
 
2014-08-12 12:42:34 AM  

FormlessOne: Gosling: FormlessOne: A very vocal minority has convinced far too many people that science is evil. Authoritarians want to ensure that you don't ask questions. The rich want to ensure that you receive the best occupational training you deserve, and that you're forced to pay through the nose for anything else.

No, it's not really that sinister. It's more like network execs who can't see past the next sweeps period and have precious few ideas of their own but plenty of 'suggestions' to 'improve' someone else's ideas. They start with a network adhering to its original stated mission, and one day a reality show gets slipped into the schedule, gets a quickie boost of rubbernecking viewers, and decide the whole network ought to be filled with more shows 'like that'. Cue a network filled with garbage and the original mission left a flaming, crying wreck in a ditch somewhere.

I believe that it really is that sinister - it's not a coordinated conspiracy, though, mind you. It's a combination of social factors, political factors, wealth inequity, rising authoritarianism, and the need for capitalism to exploit opportunity.


Well said. And especially the last. Otherwise, how to explain how TLC went from "Paleoworld" to "Honey-Boo-Boo" in less than two decades?
 
2014-08-12 12:43:18 AM  
Oh, how the mighty have fallen. :(
 
2014-08-12 12:51:02 AM  

Allen262: scottydoesntknow: 10 years ago everyone I knew was watching Shark Week.

Now I didn't even realize it was going on because I don't watch anything on Discovery.

/Lost all respect for them after the Megalodon shiat last year

How could you miss the ads. They have been all over my TV....


The only ones I've seen were for "Shart Week" on Comedy Central.
 
2014-08-12 12:59:54 AM  
My three year old got really angry at a Discovery channel "documentary" about dinosaurs recently.  It was one of those say what you're going to do before the commercial, recap dramatically after the commercial, say it again during the segment, and repeat the same information all over again after the segment, before the next commercial dealies.  "You already said that! STOP SAYING THAT! Do something else!"  I think we've officially grown out of the Discovery Channel.
 
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