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2014-08-11 05:36:52 PM  
Unless you're Michael Dorn, then it's "whepons".
 
2014-08-11 05:37:51 PM  
Raytheon still got paid

Suck it libulardos
 
2014-08-11 05:53:03 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Raytheon still got paid

Suck it libulardos


They're so happy they can hardly count
 
2014-08-11 05:58:54 PM  
images.huffingtonpost.com

To be fair it would be kinda hard to find people to bomb who AREN'T using American weapons.
 
2014-08-11 06:00:05 PM  
You said "weapons" seven times. You must really like weapons
 
2014-08-11 06:04:41 PM  
I'll have a go:

US Weapons > Iraq x US Weapons - Iraq Weapons / US Weapons

or Weapons of Math Destruction
 
2014-08-11 06:36:58 PM  

Son of Thunder: Unless you're Michael Dorn, then it's "whepons".


Hweapons.

/hwil hweaton
 
2014-08-11 07:25:55 PM  

hammettman: I'll have a go:

US Weapons > Iraq x US Weapons - Iraq Weapons / US Weapons

or Weapons of Math Destruction


So Iraq=0?

That's the only way I can get this inequality to work

/oh, that was the joke
 
2014-08-11 08:37:05 PM  
Don't fret about U.S. weapons destroying U.S. weapons, subby. We can always make (and sell) more.
 
2014-08-11 08:40:02 PM  
But remember, we should have armed Syrian rebels because there's no way those weapons would have ended up in the hands of ISIS.
 
2014-08-11 08:51:28 PM  
But the military industrial complex made money, so it's all good.

/such whiners
 
2014-08-11 08:54:25 PM  
So?

Is subby's point that we shouldn't have destroyed them because they used to be ours? Or what?
 
2014-08-11 08:57:43 PM  
Weapception?
 
2014-08-11 08:57:47 PM  
I still like our Batman strategy right now though.  See bad guys, swoop in and take them out, disappear.
 
2014-08-11 08:57:57 PM  
I can't wait until we're destroying the uparmored vehicles we left them when we pulled out.

Totally worth the money.
 
2014-08-11 08:58:28 PM  

Gyrfalcon: So?

Is subby's point that we shouldn't have destroyed them because they used to be ours? Or what?


Maybe he meant we shouldn't have sold them to future enemies. But that would have hurt the bottom line, so that's too dumb to even consider.
 
2014-08-11 08:59:10 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Is subby's point that we shouldn't have destroyed them because they used to be ours? Or what?


I think it's that passing out weapons all over volatile regions is often a bad idea since they end up in the hands of people whom we'd rather not have them.
 
2014-08-11 08:59:55 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Raytheon still got paid

 
2014-08-11 09:00:29 PM  

Son of Thunder: Unless you're Michael Dorn, then it's "whepons".


Psh. Everyone knows it's "wepons".
 
2014-08-11 09:00:57 PM  
Better than Fox News reporting that there wasn't enough water airdropped. Water is farking heavy and we only just started.
 
2014-08-11 09:01:20 PM  
Do you know what will fix Iraq's broken political system? American bombs.

Boom boom boom! Its the shockwaves of freedom!
 
2014-08-11 09:01:30 PM  
It's the only way to stop a bad guy.
 
2014-08-11 09:01:55 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Raytheon still got paid

Suck it libulardos


Hey, it's an ill wind, right..............?
 
2014-08-11 09:03:59 PM  

Jack Lambert's Missing Teeth: Gyrfalcon: So?

Is subby's point that we shouldn't have destroyed them because they used to be ours? Or what?

Maybe he meant we shouldn't have sold them to future enemies. But that would have hurt the bottom line, so that's too dumb to even consider.


When you discover a foolproof way to know who our future enemies will be in advance of them becoming our future enemies, be sure to bottle it. You'll make a fortune.
 
2014-08-11 09:07:19 PM  

Yuri Orlov: "The reason I'll be released is the same reason you think I'll be convicted. I *do* rub shoulders with some of the most vile, sadistic men calling themselves leaders today. But some of these men are the enemies of *your* enemies. And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss - the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year - sometimes it's embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can't be seen supplying. So. You call me evil, but unfortunately for you, I'm a necessary evil."


elkarneclausen.files.wordpress.com

 
2014-08-11 09:08:00 PM  
 
2014-08-11 09:08:08 PM  
Let's check the scoreboard, shall we?

HOME  Lockheed Martin: 1       VISITORS  Lockheed Martin: 1

/those are in bajillions
 
2014-08-11 09:08:40 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Jack Lambert's Missing Teeth: Gyrfalcon: So?

Is subby's point that we shouldn't have destroyed them because they used to be ours? Or what?

Maybe he meant we shouldn't have sold them to future enemies. But that would have hurt the bottom line, so that's too dumb to even consider.

When you discover a foolproof way to know who our future enemies will be in advance of them becoming our future enemies, be sure to bottle it. You'll make a fortune.


Probably regions that have been extremist and volatile their entire existence shouldn't be given weapons, ever.

Just my rule of thumb for me, bro.
 
2014-08-11 09:09:13 PM  
I'm sure someone has said
"TOLD YOU SO"
already,
so ...
 
2014-08-11 09:11:38 PM  
It's funny how times change. During the Civil War it was all the rage to engage in verbal attacks against arms manufacturers (among others) for what was labeled "War Profiteering." Now, most Americans hear the phrase "War Profiteering" and think one of two things: (a) job security or (b) hey my 401(k) will go up.
 
2014-08-11 09:12:14 PM  
Perhaps congress should stop accepting bribes/kickbacks from weapons manufacturers.
 
2014-08-11 09:15:59 PM  

fusillade762: [images.huffingtonpost.com image 850x637]

To be fair it would be kinda hard to find people to bomb who AREN'T using American weapons.


USA! USA! USA!
 
2014-08-11 09:18:00 PM  

skinink: Yuri Orlov: "The reason I'll be released is the same reason you think I'll be convicted. I *do* rub shoulders with some of the most vile, sadistic men calling themselves leaders today. But some of these men are the enemies of *your* enemies. And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss - the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year - sometimes it's embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can't be seen supplying. So. You call me evil, but unfortunately for you, I'm a necessary evil."
[elkarneclausen.files.wordpress.com image 850x356]


One of the very few movies in the last 10-15 years that starred Nicolas Cage where both his character and the film itself didn't actually suck.
 
2014-08-11 09:19:01 PM  

Killer Cars: One of the very few movies in the last 10-15 years that starred Nicolas Cage where both his character and the film itself didn't actually suck.


Man, I don't get all the hate for Nicolas Cage. He's alright, isn't he? I thought we all loved him when he said "Put the bunny back in the box."
 
2014-08-11 09:21:00 PM  
How is this any different from the way we bombed Iraq-owned US-manufactured weapons during the first Gulf War?
 
2014-08-11 09:21:57 PM  

eldoobie: It's a neocon's dream come true!


"Simultaneously, influential neoconservative U.S. officials Cheney and deputy defence secretary Paul Wolfowitz co-authored a hair-brained plan to re-engineer the region through the sectarian partition of Iraq into three autonomous cantons for Sunnis, Kurds and shiites."

In retrospect, that might have been a good idea.

However, they also co-authored the plan to go into Iraq with a small fraction of the number of troops needed to maintain order.
 
2014-08-11 09:22:32 PM  
And now we're arming the Kurds with American weapons to fight ISIS who possess American weapons.
/one day we will regret arming Kurdish rebels
 
2014-08-11 09:22:39 PM  

spamdog: Man, I don't get all the hate for Nicolas Cage. He's alright, isn't he? I thought we all loved him when he said "Put the bunny back in the box."


It's more pity than hate. He was perfectly cool, if weird as all hell, during the 80s and up through early-mid 2000s. Then the hefty tax bill came and he was forced to just take any goddamn role like his culturally defining character in the infamous "Space Ass".
 
2014-08-11 09:25:22 PM  
It's not just ironic; it's a symbol of how disastrous the last 15 years of US Iraq policy have been, how circuitous and self-perpetuating the violence, that we are now bombing our own guns. Welcome to American grand strategy in the Middle East.

I love how everyone's reverse timeline of "disastrous Iraq/Middle East policy" seems to end just short of an administration or policy they happen to support. The fact is that at some point the people in those countries have to take responsibility for themselves. Western influence is just one of many factors, but it's a convenient scapegoat for Islamists and navel-gazing Western self-haters alike. That region has been farked up for millennia, so stop acting like it was some paradise until the evil British, French and Americans came along and farked everything up. The entire region (looking at you too, Israel), is populated by a bunch of people whose mindsets are stuck in the 6th century and each want to use their own arbitrary date in the past to identify they way things "should" be. Every chance they have for a fresh start, they blow it in favor of a bullshiat desire to avenge a real or perceived slight from some other group in the area. Germany and Japan managed to learn their lessons and are now two of the top economies in the world. Take a farking hint.

Are we culpable? Yes, along with dozens of other players. Are we to blame? No. The only lesson here is to disengage and tell them all to fark themselves. We'd save a ton of blood and money and the region would be no less farked up than it always has been. Seriously. Fark the Israelis, fark the Iraqis, fark the Saudis, fark the Syrians, fark the Iranians, fark the Algerians, fark the Palestinians, fark the Egyptians, fark them all.

/Rant over. I'm just totally done with these farkwads.
 
2014-08-11 09:26:16 PM  

DubyaHater: And now we're arming the Kurds with American weapons to fight ISIS who possess American weapons.
/one day we will regret arming Kurdish rebels


s13.postimg.org
 
2014-08-11 09:26:17 PM  

DubyaHater: And now we're arming the Kurds with American weapons to fight ISIS who possess American weapons.
/one day we will regret arming Kurdish rebels


That will be the day the Kurdish Republic attacks our NATO ally, Turkey.
 
2014-08-11 09:32:07 PM  

xanadian: Son of Thunder: Unless you're Michael Dorn, then it's "whepons".

Hweapons.

/hwil hweaton


Did you just say "hweaton?"
 
2014-08-11 09:32:48 PM  
The Assyrians and other minority groups will all be asking for weapons this week in Washington.

Is the administration going to say no, now that they are offering some small arms to the Kurds ??


/cash
//check
///charge
 
2014-08-11 09:33:47 PM  
A toast... Here's to blowing our own shiat up.

/ salut
 
2014-08-11 09:34:57 PM  
I, for one, am glad we helped the rebels in Syria, which were partially ISIS. Yay Obama! Yay Hillary! Yay reset button!
 
2014-08-11 09:35:47 PM  
The Defense Industry's Circle of Life
 
2014-08-11 09:36:10 PM  

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: It's not just ironic; it's a symbol of how disastrous the last 15 years of US Iraq policy have been, how circuitous and self-perpetuating the violence, that we are now bombing our own guns. Welcome to American grand strategy in the Middle East.

I love how everyone's reverse timeline of "disastrous Iraq/Middle East policy" seems to end just short of an administration or policy they happen to support. The fact is that at some point the people in those countries have to take responsibility for themselves. Western influence is just one of many factors, but it's a convenient scapegoat for Islamists and navel-gazing Western self-haters alike. That region has been farked up for millennia, so stop acting like it was some paradise until the evil British, French and Americans came along and farked everything up. The entire region (looking at you too, Israel), is populated by a bunch of people whose mindsets are stuck in the 6th century and each want to use their own arbitrary date in the past to identify they way things "should" be. Every chance they have for a fresh start, they blow it in favor of a bullshiat desire to avenge a real or perceived slight from some other group in the area. Germany and Japan managed to learn their lessons and are now two of the top economies in the world. Take a farking hint.

Are we culpable? Yes, along with dozens of other players. Are we to blame? No. The only lesson here is to disengage and tell them all to fark themselves. We'd save a ton of blood and money and the region would be no less farked up than it always has been. Seriously. Fark the Israelis, fark the Iraqis, fark the Saudis, fark the Syrians, fark the Iranians, fark the Algerians, fark the Palestinians, fark the Egyptians, fark them all.

/Rant over. I'm just totally done with these farkwads.


Testify Brother.


That being said.  The core problem of the Iraqi army was the disenfranchisement of the republican guard office corps.  They were an experienced and well trained leadership core that could have formed the backbone of a national army... Yes the problem being is most where hardliners and there was a legitimate question as to if they would launch a coup...

Then again there were enough years involved before ISIS came around that an inclusive government of the 3 main ethinic groups in the country could have resulted in an army that would have stopped them.

Or if we kept 250k troops in Iraq we could have stopped them too.
 
2014-08-11 09:43:24 PM  

jaytkay: eldoobie: It's a neocon's dream come true!

"Simultaneously, influential neoconservative U.S. officials Cheney and deputy defence secretary Paul Wolfowitz co-authored a hair-brained plan to re-engineer the region through the sectarian partition of Iraq into three autonomous cantons for Sunnis, Kurds and shiites."

In retrospect, that might have been a good idea.

However, they also co-authored the plan to go into Iraq with a small fraction of the number of troops needed to maintain order.


If we were able to maintain order, then there would be no reason to partition Iraq.  So it's all proceeding according to plan.
 
2014-08-11 09:45:14 PM  
The US bombing its own guns perfectly sums up America's total failure in Iraq

If you ignore the fact that we did exactly the same thing in 1991 and 2004.  We sold a shiat ton of weapons to Sadam and he used them along with everything else he could get his hands on. Let ISIS take over Iraq and then go back in and kill all the farktards again and see if the next regime is more cooperative after seeing what happens when you kick out the Americans. The aphorism about being doomed to repeat history you don't learn has far more dire consequences for some than others.
 
2014-08-11 09:45:57 PM  

LaurenAguilera: Gyrfalcon: Jack Lambert's Missing Teeth: Gyrfalcon: So?

Is subby's point that we shouldn't have destroyed them because they used to be ours? Or what?

Maybe he meant we shouldn't have sold them to future enemies. But that would have hurt the bottom line, so that's too dumb to even consider.

When you discover a foolproof way to know who our future enemies will be in advance of them becoming our future enemies, be sure to bottle it. You'll make a fortune.

Probably regions that have been extremist and volatile their entire existence shouldn't be given weapons, ever.

Just my rule of thumb for me, bro.


That would be any of them.

I'm not saying it's a bad policy, just that it's not really practical except in hindsight.
 
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