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(Townhall)   "It takes a very specialized form of failure for a gun company to miss out on the President Obama-inspired run on guns, the "assault weapon" craze of the 2000s, and the proliferation of concealed carry in the 1990s, but that's exactly what" Colt did   (townhall.com ) divider line
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2014-08-11 05:03:54 PM  
Their marketing (to civilians) sucks. They're selling 100-yr old technology (their 1991 series, replacement for 1911s) for about $1000 per pistol. Better guns (SIG, S&W, etc) are out there for much less and perform better. They need to take a page from Harley-Davidson and learn how to market their old stuff to gun owners.

/Harley owner
//not a Colt owner
///slashies!
 
2014-08-11 05:30:37 PM  
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2014-08-11 05:32:20 PM  
Holy crap, a gun company going out of business in the US? And Colt at that?

I can't even what they did there.
 
2014-08-11 05:35:34 PM  
Colt charges more and produces less.  They seem to like it that way.
 
2014-08-11 05:38:02 PM  
I think the antics of the open carry people, especially the "Ima take my AK-47 to Chipotle's to stick it to Fartbongo" contingent, are probably souring more people on gun ownership than it's helping.

But, as noted above, it does seem like Colt is a particularly poorly run company.
 
2014-08-11 05:41:56 PM  

dj_bigbird: replacement for 1911s


There is no "replacement" for the 1911A1.  I bought mine from Springfield Armory.  Colt should have been selling them like hotcakes the past few years, but I have rarely seen a Colt on sale at a gun show, unless it's an antique.  But like you mentioned, their commercial marketing never recovered from the boycott.
 
2014-08-11 05:47:36 PM  
They marketed themselves as a premium gun company and then stopped making the iconic guns that made them that way. If they started making the King Cobra, Python, and Anaconda again right now at the same quality level as before they'd be swamped with buyers who want one but aren't willing to pay a few thousand for them. In fact, I'm a gun guy and I don't have a clue what they make now, so nondescript is their current lineup.
 
2014-08-11 05:54:02 PM  

dj_bigbird: They need to take a page from Harley-Davidson and learn how to market their old stuff to gun owners.


I'd buy a .45 Colt Dragoon.

/Or even better, .454 Casull. :>
 
2014-08-11 05:54:23 PM  
Colt's sell just fine, so long as you are talking about their out of production revolvers. Pythons, King Cobras, Troopers, and Detective Specials all command a heavy premium on the collector market.
 
2014-08-11 05:55:44 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: They marketed themselves as a premium gun company and then stopped making the iconic guns that made them that way. If they started making the King Cobra, Python, and Anaconda again right now at the same quality level as before they'd be swamped with buyers who want one but aren't willing to pay a few thousand for them. In fact, I'm a gun guy and I don't have a clue what they make now, so nondescript is their current lineup.


1911's, AR-15's, new model Mustangs, and New Single Action Army's. Basically, niche guns.
 
2014-08-11 06:17:14 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: They marketed themselves as a premium gun company and then stopped making the iconic guns that made them that way. If they started making the King Cobra, Python, and Anaconda again right now at the same quality level as before they'd be swamped with buyers who want one but aren't willing to pay a few thousand for them. In fact, I'm a gun guy and I don't have a clue what they make now, so nondescript is their current lineup.


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Celebrity endorsement is the key.
 
2014-08-11 06:32:26 PM  

BadReligion: Adolf Oliver Nipples: They marketed themselves as a premium gun company and then stopped making the iconic guns that made them that way. If they started making the King Cobra, Python, and Anaconda again right now at the same quality level as before they'd be swamped with buyers who want one but aren't willing to pay a few thousand for them. In fact, I'm a gun guy and I don't have a clue what they make now, so nondescript is their current lineup.

1911's, AR-15's, new model Mustangs, and New Single Action Army's. Basically, niche guns.


AR-15's and 1911's are hardly niche. That being said, other companies offer the same performance for those designs at a much less cost.
 
2014-08-11 06:33:06 PM  
I have a 1913 Colt .45 1911. Yep, built two years after the model began. 101 years old, still shoots great, although I use lower power ammo.

At some point, someone re-blued the finish. Bad for resell value, but made it a fun shooter rather than a show piece.
 
2014-08-11 06:35:09 PM  
So Colt is going out of business because teh libruls and unions. FFS.. the first half of that article made me believe that townhall might actually be capable of some interesting journalism and then BAM unions and libruls. Someone he failed to work in teh gheys.

Their guns are quality products (even if you do pay a premium for those ponies on the slide)

Probably because they're made by skilled American workers who are reasonably compensated and not made in some Yugoslavian shiathole with SPRINGFIELD ARMORY AMERICA BALD EAGLE M14 JUST LIKE YOU TOOK TO WAR IN VIETNAM marketing or some Norinco made in a chinese prison camp.
 
2014-08-11 06:37:54 PM  

Frank N Stein: BadReligion: Adolf Oliver Nipples: They marketed themselves as a premium gun company and then stopped making the iconic guns that made them that way. If they started making the King Cobra, Python, and Anaconda again right now at the same quality level as before they'd be swamped with buyers who want one but aren't willing to pay a few thousand for them. In fact, I'm a gun guy and I don't have a clue what they make now, so nondescript is their current lineup.

1911's, AR-15's, new model Mustangs, and New Single Action Army's. Basically, niche guns.

AR-15's and 1911's are hardly niche. That being said, other companies offer the same performance for those designs at a much less cost.


I own 2 of each, but most gun owners who have 1 or 2 firearms don't look at either model. They are more for enthusiasts and collectors.
 
2014-08-11 06:38:03 PM  
I think that article gave me schizophrenia.
 
2014-08-11 06:40:32 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: They marketed themselves as a premium gun company and then stopped making the iconic guns that made them that way. If they started making the King Cobra, Python, and Anaconda again right now at the same quality level as before they'd be swamped with buyers who want one but aren't willing to pay a few thousand for them. In fact, I'm a gun guy and I don't have a clue what they make now, so nondescript is their current lineup.


I don't think they'd be able to replicate the Colt Revolvers of old.  They all had some degree of hand-fitting, and their tooling is likely long-gone, as are the smiths who worked on those guns.  They'd have to come in at or under the price of S&W's performance center line of revolvers, and I don't think they're capable of that.

Most perplexing though is Colt's failure to make money off of their M4 Carbine deal with Uncle Sam.  They get just over $1,000 per rifle.  Given the MSRP for their LE6920, that's also what they likely wholesale their ARs for.  How they can be in financial trouble is completely beyond me, they should be clearing at least $200 per rifle.

Want a GI 1911?  RIA or any number of other imported Filipino guns cost half as much and are just as good (they're made on old Colt tooling, supposedly).  Want a more modern, tactical 1911?  Again, RIA, or Ruger, or Springfield, etc.  Want an old Cowboy gun?  Uberti and Rossi both make quality replicas at a significantly lower price.  Want an AR?  Their 6920 is decent, but for the same price you can build one of equal or greater quality down to the finest detail, or build two of "good-enough" quality and have money left over for spare mags and ammo.  The only thing you're getting with Colt that you don't get with other manufacturers is the roll-mark, and Colt basically makes you pay double.
 
2014-08-11 06:42:28 PM  
I had thought that Colt had become defunct several years ago. I am actually surprised to learn that they are currently still operating.
 
2014-08-11 06:42:33 PM  
Love my early 90s dsII .38 special. Stainless, 3 inch barrel, perfect fit in the hand. I feel like Jubal Early when I describe it. It just feels like a solid, perfectly engineered specimen of its type.
 
2014-08-11 06:43:33 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: They marketed themselves as a premium gun company and then stopped making the iconic guns that made them that way. If they started making the King Cobra, Python, and Anaconda again right now at the same quality level as before they'd be swamped with buyers who want one but aren't willing to pay a few thousand for them. In fact, I'm a gun guy and I don't have a clue what they make now, so nondescript is their current lineup.


If you're using your gun to overcompensate for a small penis, maybe you can be a bit more subtle about it.
 
2014-08-11 06:44:14 PM  

Dimensio: I had thought that Colt had become defunct several years ago. I am actually surprised to learn that they are currently still operating.


They do make no frills 1911's that cost the same as optioned out models from Sig or Kimber, so there is that.
 
2014-08-11 06:49:09 PM  

BMFPitt: If you're using your gun to overcompensate for a small penis, maybe you can be a bit more subtle about it.


That took longer than I thought it would. Thanks for stepping up and being that guy.
 
2014-08-11 06:50:20 PM  
Damn union thugs, took down another fine American company.
 
2014-08-11 06:55:10 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: I have a 1913 Colt .45 1911. Yep, built two years after the model began. 101 years old, still shoots great, although I use lower power ammo.

At some point, someone re-blued the finish. Bad for resell value, but made it a fun shooter rather than a show piece.


Sits to pee, too.
 
2014-08-11 06:55:18 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: their commercial marketing never recovered from the boycott.


What boycott?  Are you thinking of when Smith & Wesson was driven towards bankruptcy after compromising with the Clinton Administration?
 
2014-08-11 06:56:43 PM  
Colt's AR-15s are expensive and lackluster. Their 1911s are overhyped, over-priced pieces of crap. They don't bother marketing much to the public, and they ahve a very long history of basically telling the civilians to go fark themselves.

They had great revolvers back in the day, but even those had mechanical issues and were fairly sensitive to mechanical parts showing wear and getting loose.

They recently produced a run of 1911s for the USMC, a supposedly-beefed-up 1911. Looks great, except the dust cover, a monolithic chunk of steel with a channel cut in it, cracks. I'm sorry, but exactly what do you have to fark up that a piece of machined steel that's not a stress-bearing part and not interacting with any component of the firing mechanism, and is a good .25" thick, freaking cracks?

Sorry, Colt, but Springfield, Kimber, Dan Wesson, Rock Island, and so on ate your lunch a long time ago. Glad to see you're trying so hard to remain irrelevant though.
 
2014-08-11 06:59:18 PM  
Overcharge and fail to innovate, what the hell did they expect?
Every customer you piss off isn't going to sing your praises when law enforcement or military contracts come round.
 
2014-08-11 06:59:37 PM  

BadReligion: Colt's sell just fine, so long as you are talking about their out of production revolvers. Pythons, King Cobras, Troopers, and Detective Specials all command a heavy premium on the collector market.


There is literally no damn way I'm spending $2800 on a goddamn revolver that is out of production, has nearly no goddamn spare parts, and has technical issues. I'd rather buy a Smith and Wesson. Sure, not as pretty, but at least I can get parts for it.
 
2014-08-11 07:00:03 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: shower_in_my_socks: I have a 1913 Colt .45 1911. Yep, built two years after the model began. 101 years old, still shoots great, although I use lower power ammo.

At some point, someone re-blued the finish. Bad for resell value, but made it a fun shooter rather than a show piece.

Sits to pee, too.


I don't know what that's supposed to mean. It's an old gun and I would rather not f*ck it up by shooting it.
 
2014-08-11 07:01:19 PM  

Kit Fister: BadReligion: Colt's sell just fine, so long as you are talking about their out of production revolvers. Pythons, King Cobras, Troopers, and Detective Specials all command a heavy premium on the collector market.

There is literally no damn way I'm spending $2800 on a goddamn revolver that is out of production, has nearly no goddamn spare parts, and has technical issues. I'd rather buy a Smith and Wesson. Sure, not as pretty, but at least I can get parts for it.


There is a local guy selling a nice looking 4" nickel Python for $1500. I am seriously considering it.
 
2014-08-11 07:03:32 PM  

BadReligion: There is a local guy selling a nice looking 4" nickel Python for $1500. I am seriously considering it.


Take a look at it before you plunk down that cash. i bought one for $1500, and promptly sold it. The reason is because the pieces that control the timing of the cylinder wear down, and so unless you cock it with a fair amount of force, the cylinder doesn't line up with the forcing cone, which, if it's only a small amount, leads to lead shaving. If it's severe, the gun won't go off, or it can do some pretty serious damage.
 
2014-08-11 07:04:15 PM  

mrmopar5287: Marcus Aurelius: their commercial marketing never recovered from the boycott.

What boycott?  Are you thinking of when Smith & Wesson was driven towards bankruptcy after compromising with the Clinton Administration?


That hit Colt too.
 
2014-08-11 07:06:40 PM  

Kit Fister: BadReligion: There is a local guy selling a nice looking 4" nickel Python for $1500. I am seriously considering it.

Take a look at it before you plunk down that cash. i bought one for $1500, and promptly sold it. The reason is because the pieces that control the timing of the cylinder wear down, and so unless you cock it with a fair amount of force, the cylinder doesn't line up with the forcing cone, which, if it's only a small amount, leads to lead shaving. If it's severe, the gun won't go off, or it can do some pretty serious damage.


Thanks, I will take a close look.
 
2014-08-11 07:08:14 PM  

BadReligion: Kit Fister: BadReligion: There is a local guy selling a nice looking 4" nickel Python for $1500. I am seriously considering it.

Take a look at it before you plunk down that cash. i bought one for $1500, and promptly sold it. The reason is because the pieces that control the timing of the cylinder wear down, and so unless you cock it with a fair amount of force, the cylinder doesn't line up with the forcing cone, which, if it's only a small amount, leads to lead shaving. If it's severe, the gun won't go off, or it can do some pretty serious damage.

Thanks, I will take a close look.


Also, when I went looking, the one place that had the parts to fix it wanted close to another $100 for a couple of $20 parts. So, yeah.
 
2014-08-11 07:10:15 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: More_Like_A_Stain: shower_in_my_socks: I have a 1913 Colt .45 1911. Yep, built two years after the model began. 101 years old, still shoots great, although I use lower power ammo.

At some point, someone re-blued the finish. Bad for resell value, but made it a fun shooter rather than a show piece.

Sits to pee, too.

I don't know what that's supposed to mean. It's an old gun and I would rather not f*ck it up by shooting it.


He's calling you a pussy because you aren't all MURKICA! and wrecking your guns with too powerful ammo.
 
2014-08-11 07:11:00 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: BMFPitt: (highlights gun names that are also colloquially used as synonyms for male genitalia)

If you're using your gun to overcompensate for a small penis, maybe you can be a bit more subtle about it.

That took longer than I thought it would. Thanks for stepping up and being that guy.


Look who missed the joke because he was too busy getting indignant. Thanks for stepping up and being that guy.
 
2014-08-11 07:14:35 PM  

Dan the Schman: Adolf Oliver Nipples: BMFPitt: (highlights gun names that are also colloquially used as synonyms for male genitalia)

If you're using your gun to overcompensate for a small penis, maybe you can be a bit more subtle about it.

That took longer than I thought it would. Thanks for stepping up and being that guy.

Look who missed the joke because he was too busy getting indignant. Thanks for stepping up and being that guy.


I didn't miss the joke. Jokes are funny. That was not.
 
2014-08-11 07:15:52 PM  

Kit Fister: BadReligion: There is a local guy selling a nice looking 4" nickel Python for $1500. I am seriously considering it.

Take a look at it before you plunk down that cash. i bought one for $1500, and promptly sold it. The reason is because the pieces that control the timing of the cylinder wear down, and so unless you cock it with a fair amount of force, the cylinder doesn't line up with the forcing cone, which, if it's only a small amount, leads to lead shaving. If it's severe, the gun won't go off, or it can do some pretty serious damage.


I have a S&W 686 Plus 6" in stainless with the combat grips.  My son in law had to outdo me and get one in .44 Magnum.  I would take either one over either Colt.
 
2014-08-11 07:16:08 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: shower_in_my_socks: I have a 1913 Colt .45 1911. Yep, built two years after the model began. 101 years old, still shoots great, although I use lower power ammo.

At some point, someone re-blued the finish. Bad for resell value, but made it a fun shooter rather than a show piece.

Sits to pee, too.


My .45 was specifically built to handle +P ammo.
An M1911 from 1913 was not.
 
2014-08-11 07:17:45 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: dj_bigbird: replacement for 1911s

There is no "replacement" for the 1911A1.  I bought mine from Springfield Armory.  Colt should have been selling them like hotcakes the past few years, but I have rarely seen a Colt on sale at a gun show, unless it's an antique.  But like you mentioned, their commercial marketing never recovered from the boycott.


The closest I've ever seen to a possible replacement for the 1911-A1 is the Para Ordinance 14.45. In essence, it's a 1911 with a double stacked mag.

/ it's comparatively priced with the Springfield 1911-A1
 
2014-08-11 07:17:46 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: More_Like_A_Stain: shower_in_my_socks: I have a 1913 Colt .45 1911. Yep, built two years after the model began. 101 years old, still shoots great, although I use lower power ammo.

At some point, someone re-blued the finish. Bad for resell value, but made it a fun shooter rather than a show piece.

Sits to pee, too.

My .45 was specifically built to handle +P ammo.
An M1911 from 1913 was not.


.45? More like Fuddyfive
 
2014-08-11 07:18:37 PM  

iheartscotch: Marcus Aurelius: dj_bigbird: replacement for 1911s

There is no "replacement" for the 1911A1.  I bought mine from Springfield Armory.  Colt should have been selling them like hotcakes the past few years, but I have rarely seen a Colt on sale at a gun show, unless it's an antique.  But like you mentioned, their commercial marketing never recovered from the boycott.

The closest I've ever seen to a possible replacement for the 1911-A1 is the Para Ordinance 14.45. In essence, it's a 1911 with a double stacked mag.

/ it's comparatively priced with the Springfield 1911-A1


Double stacked 1911's always look like an abomination.
 
2014-08-11 07:19:19 PM  
Realizing the full potential of crony-capitalism, the entrepreneur almost went broke entertaining politicians, generals, and frontiersmen. He was, undoubtedly, the Solyndra lobbyist of his day.

Oh cool, this is one of those alternate universe web pages.  Do they say anything about Bill Ayers helping to cover up the Koran verse on Obama's wedding ring?
 
2014-08-11 07:21:02 PM  
img1.fark.net  => NGTRTFA.  Is there a non-derp article?
 
2014-08-11 07:21:31 PM  

iheartscotch: with a double stacked mag


My daughters like the 1911 because the in-line mag leaves a much smaller bulge under their jackets.
 
2014-08-11 07:21:52 PM  
How exactly did Obama inspire a run on guns?
 
2014-08-11 07:22:07 PM  
So because Colt glanced at "Smart-Gun" technology, and had government contracts.. they're the bad guys? Colt are a bunch of gun hating traitors with big Gubment contracts, just like General Atomics Systems who makes the Predator drone, or Lockheed Martin who makes everything else. Burn them at the stake for supporting the government that Obama was eventually put in charge of as President. Damn his time machine.

But how am I supposed to have time to boycott Colt, while also boycotting Smith & Wesson for their infernal gun locks, as well as boycotting Ruger for Clinton-era laws that have expired? Am I only supposed to buy Glocks?
 
2014-08-11 07:22:34 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: mrmopar5287: Marcus Aurelius: their commercial marketing never recovered from the boycott.

What boycott?  Are you thinking of when Smith & Wesson was driven towards bankruptcy after compromising with the Clinton Administration?

That hit Colt too.


I was not aware of that.  I was never into firearms at that time so I don't have any recollection of gun policy or attempts at gun control any earlier than about the 2000 Presidential Election.  I read Paul Jarrett's book recounting the negotiations that GLOCK went through with the Clinton DOJ people only to bail at the end and give a press conference where they did a quick 180 after S&W had surrendered and compromised.  Not long after Clinton was out of office did S&W change up some management and entirely renege on that agreement, but the damage was done.

How did Colt get burned?  Were they dipping their toes in the water to participate?  Seems to be so considering the stuff in the article about their support for federal gun permits and GPS locator technology.
 
2014-08-11 07:24:36 PM  

iheartscotch: Para Ordinance 14.45


I'll have to check one of those out.  Thanks!
 
2014-08-11 07:24:42 PM  

Frank N Stein: iheartscotch: Marcus Aurelius: dj_bigbird: replacement for 1911s

There is no "replacement" for the 1911A1.  I bought mine from Springfield Armory.  Colt should have been selling them like hotcakes the past few years, but I have rarely seen a Colt on sale at a gun show, unless it's an antique.  But like you mentioned, their commercial marketing never recovered from the boycott.

The closest I've ever seen to a possible replacement for the 1911-A1 is the Para Ordinance 14.45. In essence, it's a 1911 with a double stacked mag.

/ it's comparatively priced with the Springfield 1911-A1

Double stacked 1911's always look like an abomination.


It's not terrible looking. I haven't been able to find a range with one to rent, so I don't really know how it handles; but, it feels perfect. I don't know if you've ever held a gun that feels like an extension of your hand; that's what I mean by perfect.

/ granted, I also think the FN-FNP .45 feels perfect
 
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