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2014-08-11 03:00:56 PM  
Stewart may be a toolbag, but the fact is that Ward would be alive today if he had not gotten out of his car. Bet he won't make that mistake again...
 
2014-08-11 03:01:58 PM  
"knocking Ward out of the race. The young driver jumped out of his vehicle and, clad in a black racing suit, walked onto the track in an apparent effort to confront Stewart in his still-speeding car. "

not only got out of his car ... but walked out onto a race track
so road rage idiot got hit by a car while raging in traffic?

not really a story here
 
2014-08-11 03:05:07 PM  
pbs.twimg.com
 
2014-08-11 03:06:43 PM  
Here we go again
i49.tinypic.com
 
2014-08-11 03:14:49 PM  

Blues_X: [pbs.twimg.com image 600x637]


but come on now, what does know about it? Obviously with grainy cell phone video from half way across the track and eye witness reports from the paddock who didn't have clear lines of sight I can make a better call
 
2014-08-11 03:22:49 PM  
I haven't watched the video, and I don't intend to. No matter what happened, it doesn't have any effect on my life, so I have not formed any opinions except that it's a sad loss of a young life and anyone who witnessed it or was involved will likely be haunted by it forever.

What keeps me coming back to these threads (and reading coverage of it) is that I'm fascinated by the reactions. Many of those who saw the video (and even some eyewitnesses) have come to completely opposite (and seemingly absolute) conclusions as to what happened. I'd love to have the resources and know-how to conduct some sort of survey to see what factors (if any) lead people to one conclusion or the other. Does it correlate to previously held opinions of Stewart? Hardcore fans vs. casual or non-fans of racing? Political beliefs?
 
2014-08-11 03:24:19 PM  

skinnycatullus: Does it correlate to previously held opinions of Stewart?


I think so. He's not a well-loved driver, from what I've heard.


/I don't watch much NASCAR
 
2014-08-11 03:26:12 PM  
I couldn't bring myself to watch a snuff film, so I didn't click on any of the videos attached to stories about this today. While I was curious whether Stewart could possibly have looked like he meant to hit a man on foot, I didn't want to see that man's life ended.
 
2014-08-11 03:48:32 PM  

Blues_X: [pbs.twimg.com image 600x637]


looks at picture of winged sprint car ...
notices that the right side board on the wing come WAYYYYYY down ... kind of like a sunshade

clearly that partially to completely blocks your view on the side of the car 

ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERwHtuWmn2s - here is the only video of the crash (currently known)

0) it is night, it is a dirt farking track, asshole on the track is wearing a black race suit ... camouflage
1) 0:00 you watch an ASSHOLE walking on the track ... pointing like an asshole in rage  0:00
2) asshole walking on the track is approaching from the right side of passing cars ... in their blind spots
3) 0:05 asshole waits until two cars pass and then RUNS into the lower part of the track 0:05
4) pointing like a complete asshole
5) 0:07 asshole is narrowly missed by the #45 car who had to SWERVE out the way to avoid hitting asshole
6) 0:09 asshole is hit by the #14 car ...


Skipping ahead to .... 0:23, you can watch the race and crash ....
Asshole driver in crashed car gets out and commits suicide by running out onto the track.
Stay in car and live?
Run out into traffic, dodging multiple cars, and die.

yup darwin wins

watching the crash ... it is hard to see who is at fault ...
0:29 is before they have made contact
they are going through a turn, sliding as always, 14 on the inside and ahead, 13 on the outside and behind
meh, looks like a normal crash ... guy on the outside trying to pass in the blind spot of the inside driver ...


NOTE TO ASSHOLE STANDING IN THE ROAD:
cars will hit you
 
2014-08-11 03:56:37 PM  

skinnycatullus: I haven't watched the video, and I don't intend to. No matter what happened, it doesn't have any effect on my life, so I have not formed any opinions except that it's a sad loss of a young life and anyone who witnessed it or was involved will likely be haunted by it forever.

What keeps me coming back to these threads (and reading coverage of it) is that I'm fascinated by the reactions. Many of those who saw the video (and even some eyewitnesses) have come to completely opposite (and seemingly absolute) conclusions as to what happened. I'd love to have the resources and know-how to conduct some sort of survey to see what factors (if any) lead people to one conclusion or the other. Does it correlate to previously held opinions of Stewart? Hardcore fans vs. casual or non-fans of racing? Political beliefs?


I am a liberal, casual NASCAR fan, and Tony Stewart is and has been my favorite driver for over 10 years.  Stewart has the capacity to throw tantrums at inopportune times. He is intensely disliked by many NASCAR fans because of his obnoxious temper.

But NOTHING I've seen over numerous races involving Stewart leads me to think, even for a second, that Stewart hit Ward intentionally, or was even trying to scare him. Controlling those sprint cars, especially on dirt tracks, is incredibly difficult to do.

What I see (and I have watched the video of Ward getting hit) is a fool getting out of his car, wearing a jet-black track suit, on a racetrack with barely any lighting, and walking out into the middle of traffic. Even on a caution (and the race was in caution), those things are still going like 35 MPH (from what I've read), so if you get hit, you're going to get hurt.

I am very sorry that Ward is dead, and I'm very sorry that Stewart's NASCAR career will at best be in shambles and at worst is over. An investigation may yet demonstrate that Stewart deliberately hit the kid, and if that happens I'll be devastated, knowing that my favorite driver threw it all away and killed a man in some idiotic display of racetrack machismo.

But at this time, I don't see it. Just my thoughts, which ultimately mean nothing.
 
2014-08-11 04:09:39 PM  

tnpir: and walking out into the middle of traffic.


If you watch it again ... you will see him ALMOST getting hit by the #45 car ,,, and 2 seconds later getting hit by the #14 car.  The cars were coming out of a turn when he got hit.

Maybe he could have waited? 
What do they say about people being in a rush or impatient?
 
2014-08-11 04:28:24 PM  

namatad: 5) 0:07 asshole is narrowly missed by the #45 car who had to SWERVE out the way to avoid hitting asshole


namatad: NOTE TO ASSHOLE STANDING IN THE ROAD:
cars will hit you



That's my thought, too.

I tried to find a "driver's point of view" shot from inside one of those cars, but couldn't find anything.

I think that they need to institute short-term bans (at least) on drivers who walk out into race traffic like that.
 
2014-08-11 04:41:59 PM  

Blues_X: namatad: 5) 0:07 asshole is narrowly missed by the #45 car who had to SWERVE out the way to avoid hitting asshole

namatad: NOTE TO ASSHOLE STANDING IN THE ROAD:
cars will hit you


That's my thought, too.

I tried to find a "driver's point of view" shot from inside one of those cars, but couldn't find anything.

I think that they need to institute short-term bans (at least) on drivers who walk out into race traffic like that.


I found a bunch of dash cams, but they really arent the same thing. Dash cams just have a constant POV.

And bans for road rage. Even if he got intentionally bumped/pushed into the wall, his road rage after the event endangered all the other drivers. 

Of course, none of that will happen.
 
2014-08-11 04:46:10 PM  

skinnycatullus: I haven't watched the video, and I don't intend to. No matter what happened, it doesn't have any effect on my life, so I have not formed any opinions except that it's a sad loss of a young life and anyone who witnessed it or was involved will likely be haunted by it forever.

What keeps me coming back to these threads (and reading coverage of it) is that I'm fascinated by the reactions. Many of those who saw the video (and even some eyewitnesses) have come to completely opposite (and seemingly absolute) conclusions as to what happened. I'd love to have the resources and know-how to conduct some sort of survey to see what factors (if any) lead people to one conclusion or the other. Does it correlate to previously held opinions of Stewart? Hardcore fans vs. casual or non-fans of racing? Political beliefs?


This (in regards to how this has been as polarizing to the public as the guilt or innocence of those such as George Zimmerman or Casey Anthony)

I've been an auto racing fan all my life. All the angry moments I've witnessed over the years and I just can't bring myself to the point where I can believe it was intentional, much less premeditated. What, TS wrecked him and then was so pissed, he still ran him down?

I can buy that he could have been trying to mud spray as he drove by and grossly miscalculated, but I still can't get to criminal negligence that can be proven, short of TS confessing it.

I'm not a fan of his, but I see it as a tragic accident and public opinion on both sides is heated and impassioned...and very interesting.
 
2014-08-11 04:53:33 PM  
Running the death video through the Benny Hillifier is highly recommended. That's all I have to say.
 
2014-08-11 04:56:37 PM  
FTFA:

Was three-time Nascar racing champion Tony Stewart responsible for the death of 20-year-old Kevin Ward Jr?

Hint: If a news story's lead or headline is a question, the answer to that question is "No."
 
2014-08-11 04:58:10 PM  
That poorly shot video of an event taking place on the other side of the track is in no way a smoking gun against Stewart. Why people keep claiming they heard Tony "revving" his engine is silly. There was a lot of cars between the video camera and the accident site way over there.
 
2014-08-11 04:58:14 PM  
Ban Racing!
 
2014-08-11 04:58:29 PM  

Blues_X: skinnycatullus: Does it correlate to previously held opinions of Stewart?

I think so. He's not a well-loved driver, from what I've heard.


/I don't watch much NASCAR


He was a heel, for many years.  When he started his own team and won his third title, he turned face.  Now I'm thinking he'll be a heel for quite a while.
 
2014-08-11 05:03:33 PM  
What if Tony Stewart is a much angrier person, and he's been able to hold it in check for the cameras up until now.

Maybe we just saw the real Tony, let out of the bag for just a moment.
 
2014-08-11 05:10:08 PM  
I'm gonna guess this Tyler Graves fellow is going to be apologizing in a week or so once the emotion drains out of him. Grief makes you say more stupid things than alcohol.
 
2014-08-11 05:12:50 PM  

airsupport: What if Tony Stewart is a much angrier person, and he's been able to hold it in check for the cameras up until now.

Maybe we just saw the real Tony, let out of the bag for just a moment.


What would he have to be angry about? He wasn't the one knocked out of the race.

Christ, do some people actually think that Tony Stewart would intentionally hit/kill a guy? Especially in front of thousands of witnesses and cameras?
 
2014-08-11 05:15:25 PM  
I don't have a horse car in this race, but as a non-fan casual observer, it's hard for me to say that Stewart is in no way responsible for hitting the kid. That being said, the kid is at least 80% culpable for walking down the track during a race. Of the remaining 20, there just doesn't seem to be a way to prove how much of it was Stewart. I'd bet he gets tried for manslaughter and gets off.
 
2014-08-11 05:15:46 PM  

scottydoesntknow: airsupport: What if Tony Stewart is a much angrier person, and he's been able to hold it in check for the cameras up until now.

Maybe we just saw the real Tony, let out of the bag for just a moment.

What would he have to be angry about? He wasn't the one knocked out of the race.

Christ, do some people actually think that Tony Stewart would intentionally hit/kill a guy? Especially in front of thousands of witnesses and cameras?


that seems to be what some people think.
 
2014-08-11 05:16:45 PM  
Enough of this crap. There's only one person to blame for Kevin Ward Jr's death, and that's Kevin Ward Jr.
 
2014-08-11 05:17:13 PM  

skinnycatullus: I haven't watched the video, and I don't intend to. No matter what happened, it doesn't have any effect on my life, so I have not formed any opinions except that it's a sad loss of a young life and anyone who witnessed it or was involved will likely be haunted by it forever.

What keeps me coming back to these threads (and reading coverage of it) is that I'm fascinated by the reactions. Many of those who saw the video (and even some eyewitnesses) have come to completely opposite (and seemingly absolute) conclusions as to what happened. I'd love to have the resources and know-how to conduct some sort of survey to see what factors (if any) lead people to one conclusion or the other. Does it correlate to previously held opinions of Stewart? Hardcore fans vs. casual or non-fans of racing? Political beliefs?


I imagine both the prosecuting and defense attorneys would be intensely interested in the answer to your questions, too, should this turn into a jury trial
 
2014-08-11 05:17:45 PM  
scottydoesntknow:Christ, do some people actually think that Tony Stewart would intentionally hit/kill a guy?

(casual observer/nonfan disclaimer) No, but the revving seemed deliberate either as a flex of sorts or a scare tactic whatnot. I don't think he intended to hit him but I don't think he intended to swerve out of the way either.
 
2014-08-11 05:22:32 PM  

factoryconnection: I couldn't bring myself to watch a snuff film, so I didn't click on any of the videos attached to stories about this today. While I was curious whether Stewart could possibly have looked like he meant to hit a man on foot, I didn't want to see that man's life ended.


I watched it because one account I read said that he flew 50m. I think that writer meant 50ft, which would still be exaggerated.

/my mind has apparently been desensitized by video games, because I didn't "feel" when I saw the man get killed.
//still will not make a habit of watching snuff films.
///I agree with the people saying it was an accident, but the video can't prove intent; only Tony's words can.
 
2014-08-11 05:23:28 PM  
Once a dog gets the taste for blood, will it bite again. It may be time to put Tony down.
 
2014-08-11 05:23:46 PM  

This Looks Fun: scottydoesntknow:Christ, do some people actually think that Tony Stewart would intentionally hit/kill a guy?

(casual observer/nonfan disclaimer) No, but the revving seemed deliberate either as a flex of sorts or a scare tactic whatnot. I don't think he intended to hit him but I don't think he intended to swerve out of the way either.


Have they determined if that revving noise was from Stewart's car? It wasn't a professional video with professional sound capturing. It was a cheap video on the other side of the track with other cars passing right next to it.
 
2014-08-11 05:24:01 PM  
We will never know, for sure.

Only one person knows what was or wasn't visible from within the #14 car that night.  Only one person knows the intent of the driver of the #14 car that night.  That person also has the most to lose from the outcome of the investigation.

As I said on social media Sunday, I think one of two things happened:

    1. Tony couldn't see the kid until the #45 moved, and by then it was too late to miss him, no matter how hard he tried.

or

     2. Tony wanted to throw a little mud on the kid, and (due to the dark conditions and dark clothing Ward was wearing) misjudged his distance.

Either of these could be true, and I honestly hope it was #1.  But we will never know, because no one in their right mind would tell you that they were trying to do what's described in #2.

I honestly don't think it was intentional in any way, but accidents do happen, especially in those types of conditions.  I say that as someone who doesn't particularly like or dislike Tony Stewart.

The bottom line is, the kid is dead, and his family (and Tony) will have to live with that fact, no matter which (if either) of the above statements is true.
 
2014-08-11 05:24:11 PM  
My thing is simply the throttle as he's running him over. That seemed from a spectator's view as a tad bit much.
 
2014-08-11 05:25:51 PM  

This Looks Fun: I'd bet he gets tried for manslaughter and gets off.


You think Tony Stewart gets off on being tried for manslaughter?
 
2014-08-11 05:29:25 PM  
Clearly Darwined.
 
2014-08-11 05:29:59 PM  
I'm really interested in seeing what the Ward family has to say in all this.  Right now they're asking for time to grieve and I hope the media respects that.  But they have to have some feelings on this and their take is going to be very important in the court of public opinion.

This is sad.  I don't think Stewart tried to kill someone, but I still can't get past the idea that he was in some ways at least partially negligent, despite Ward getting out of the car like that.
 
2014-08-11 05:30:26 PM  
Will Tony Stewart have to paint a notch on the side of his car like a WWII fighter plane?
 
2014-08-11 05:31:18 PM  
I'm sure this thread will finally cause a break through on this topic.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go spend the next hour arguing in the Israel/Palestine debate thread
 
2014-08-11 05:37:03 PM  
In even crazier motor sports fatality news... The guy suspected of stealing Michael Schumachers medical files hanged himself in his jail cell the other day.

This whole business with Stewart is a mess. It will be an interesting soap opera for a long time.
 
2014-08-11 05:39:04 PM  
99sportster:  Tony wanted to throw a little mud on the kid

I keep seeing people bring this up, and I fully admit that my knowledge of this version of racing and the vehicles involved are basically nil, but...

That really sounds like an ignorant theory, given the video evidence and what I've read from people about the way those vehicles handle.
 
2014-08-11 05:39:46 PM  
The dead kid was mad at Stewart not the other way around, right? I really doubt Stewart wanted to murder him regardless.
 
2014-08-11 05:42:03 PM  
Asshole with an axe to grind wants to bypass the entire investigative and judicial processes and condemn another man for life because feelings.  Pictures at eleven.
 
2014-08-11 05:44:38 PM  
Tyler Graves, a sprint-car racer and friend of Ward's, was quoted in the Sporting News:
"I know Tony could see him. I know how you can see out of these cars. When Tony got close to him, he hit the throttle. When you hit a throttle on a sprint car, the car sets sideways."


Regardless of whether or not the guy should have been walking on the track, I have to say that there is no way that a professional driver like this would not know what would happen in a sprint car if he gunned it in a turn on a dirt track. It's like the main thing ABOUT sprint car racing. Doesn't necessarily mean that I think he did it on purpose, just that he doesn't really have plausible deniability. It's not like he's 16 year old Bo Jenkins from inner city Philly who had never seen a sprint car before.
 
2014-08-11 05:47:43 PM  

skrame: /my mind has apparently been desensitized by video games, because I didn't "feel" when I saw the man get killed.


I think the fact that he's being reckless and obnoxious on his way to death by misadventure makes him seem less sympathetic than he might otherwise. Sort of like that Korean video of the angry dude ramming the elevator doors and falling to his death.
 
2014-08-11 05:47:49 PM  
Why even argue about it?  He's rich and famous, so it was an accident and that's the end of it.
 
2014-08-11 05:48:43 PM  
He could have backed over him a few times and the conversation would play out the same way. People are more concerned about the sport than Stewart and Pancake.
 
2014-08-11 05:49:00 PM  

skinnycatullus: I haven't watched the video, and I don't intend to. No matter what happened, it doesn't have any effect on my life, so I have not formed any opinions except that it's a sad loss of a young life and anyone who witnessed it or was involved will likely be haunted by it forever.

What keeps me coming back to these threads (and reading coverage of it) is that I'm fascinated by the reactions. Many of those who saw the video (and even some eyewitnesses) have come to completely opposite (and seemingly absolute) conclusions as to what happened. I'd love to have the resources and know-how to conduct some sort of survey to see what factors (if any) lead people to one conclusion or the other. Does it correlate to previously held opinions of Stewart? Hardcore fans vs. casual or non-fans of racing? Political beliefs?


Nah, it only correlates to the person's inability to admit they're wrong.  They form an opinion off the bat, and are then told if you stray from that opinion even in the face of evidence, you're a flip-flopper who can't be trusted.  So they defend their belief even in the face of evidence, even to the point of violence themselves.
 
2014-08-11 05:49:17 PM  
Also, based on the video (I'm assuming it's still just the one angle), Ward seemed to be clearly and intently trying to get into the path of Stewart's car.
 
2014-08-11 05:51:55 PM  

user437: Anybody who is seriously suggesting that Tony intentionally hit him is pants on head dumb.


hey, hey. You're getting in the way of a good ol pitch forking.

He didn't kill him on purpose. Maybe, he was trying to scare him to death but not kill him. Prank gone wrong. It sucks.

Involuntary Manslaughter???
 
2014-08-11 05:54:04 PM  
Never saw him. There's an article from Car and Driver a few years ago where some sports car type goes to Smiley Sitton's driving school in Texas to learn to race a winged Sprint Car. Some of you 'Experts' need to read it. It contains the line :

'I'd never driven a car of any type that seemed intent on killing me the moent I got in it'.
 
2014-08-11 05:54:57 PM  
Holy shiat his story won't die
 
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