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2014-08-11 11:50:57 AM  
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2014-08-11 12:46:28 PM  
Good.  Let them do their own fighting.
 
2014-08-11 12:48:08 PM  
Arming the Kurds?

No whey!

/I'll just have a seat over on that tuffet over there.
 
2014-08-11 12:57:11 PM  

quatchi: Arming the Kurds?

No whey!

/I'll just have a seat over on that tuffet over there.


This joke is cheesy.

/DANGEROUSLY cheesy
 
2014-08-11 01:11:41 PM  

vpb: Good.  Let them do their own fighting.


It works for me, plus the Kurds seem to like us, and if they do get their own autonomous state, we'll want to keep them as friends.  They also seem generally cool about Israel, so that's a plus.

There was an article a few days ago where one of the Kurdish commanders basically said 'you don't need to send your own people to fight for us, please just give us guns'.
 
2014-08-11 01:36:23 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: vpb: Good.  Let them do their own fighting.

It works for me, plus the Kurds seem to like us, and if they do get their own autonomous state, we'll want to keep them as friends.  They also seem generally cool about Israel, so that's a plus.

There was an article a few days ago where one of the Kurdish commanders basically said 'you don't need to send your own people to fight for us, please just give us guns'.


Everything I've seen leads me to believe that the Kurds just want to live prosperous lives.  None of that terrorism horse shiat, they just want to live in safety and peace.  If we can help them achieve that, great.
 
2014-08-11 01:42:09 PM  

nekom: TuteTibiImperes: vpb: Good.  Let them do their own fighting.

It works for me, plus the Kurds seem to like us, and if they do get their own autonomous state, we'll want to keep them as friends.  They also seem generally cool about Israel, so that's a plus.

There was an article a few days ago where one of the Kurdish commanders basically said 'you don't need to send your own people to fight for us, please just give us guns'.

Everything I've seen leads me to believe that the Kurds just want to live prosperous lives.  None of that terrorism horse shiat, they just want to live in safety and peace.  If we can help them achieve that, great.


So did the afghanis in the 80-s
 
2014-08-11 01:42:29 PM  
I'm pretty ok with this.

Well, as ok as I can be when it comes to fighting and bloodshed.
 
2014-08-11 01:43:15 PM  
Yeah, there is no way this could backfire when the Kurds use those weapons to create an autonomous state, creating a broader regional conflict as countries like Turkey and Iran that have Kurdish populations are drawn into the fighting.
 
2014-08-11 01:43:54 PM  
Don't worry, he'll fark this up too.   It's a presidential tradition
 
2014-08-11 01:43:56 PM  
Yay. New Kurdistan!
/Fark you Iraq
//Iran, fark you too
///Suck it Turkey. More like Jurkey amiright?
 
2014-08-11 01:44:29 PM  
You know, it's the damnedest thing.  But the Iraq Kurds seem to have managed a relatively stable multi-cultural democracy while the rest of Iraq is a dysfunctional shambles.    Yet when the US started nation-building the Iraqi Kurds in 1991 after the First Gulf war, they were no better off than the rest of Iraq proper was after the second.


I wonder what the difference in success of outcomes of the two national-building efforts could possibly have been
 
2014-08-11 01:44:53 PM  
They deserve to not get left twisting out in the wind again, but putting more weaponry out in that part of the world never seems to work out.

Like the man said:  "I'm not happy about it, but there it is."
 
2014-08-11 01:46:17 PM  

Yogimus: nekom: TuteTibiImperes: vpb: Good.  Let them do their own fighting.

It works for me, plus the Kurds seem to like us, and if they do get their own autonomous state, we'll want to keep them as friends.  They also seem generally cool about Israel, so that's a plus.

There was an article a few days ago where one of the Kurdish commanders basically said 'you don't need to send your own people to fight for us, please just give us guns'.

Everything I've seen leads me to believe that the Kurds just want to live prosperous lives.  None of that terrorism horse shiat, they just want to live in safety and peace.  If we can help them achieve that, great.

So did the afghanis in the 80-s


Yea, and arming the Afghans worked out pretty well.
 
2014-08-11 01:46:36 PM  

nekom: TuteTibiImperes: vpb: Good.  Let them do their own fighting.

It works for me, plus the Kurds seem to like us, and if they do get their own autonomous state, we'll want to keep them as friends.  They also seem generally cool about Israel, so that's a plus.

There was an article a few days ago where one of the Kurdish commanders basically said 'you don't need to send your own people to fight for us, please just give us guns'.

Everything I've seen leads me to believe that the Kurds just want to live prosperous lives.  None of that terrorism horse shiat, they just want to live in safety and peace.  If we can help them achieve that, great.


Jeez. Where's the fun in that?

Kurd alert!
 
2014-08-11 01:46:42 PM  

xanadian: quatchi: Arming the Kurds?

No whey!

/I'll just have a seat over on that tuffet over there.

This joke is cheesy.

/DANGEROUSLY cheesy


Out of everyone over their the Kurds seem like they will do some Gouda.
 
2014-08-11 01:47:35 PM  
Yogimus:
So did the afghanis in the 80-s

Exactly what I came in to say.  Arming groups that like us when they have nothing can easily turn into armed people who hate us when they get what they want.
 
2014-08-11 01:47:57 PM  
He's still got two years left in office, don't worry.
 
2014-08-11 01:48:02 PM  
It is amazing what sort of help you can get when you are sitting on top of a huge oil field.

Funny how that part never get mentioned in all of this
 
2014-08-11 01:48:09 PM  
I'd be hesitant about arming any side of a third-party struggle if there was a history of such arms being used against us at a later time.
 
2014-08-11 01:48:21 PM  
The Kurds are damn good at what they do and they do not like ISIL one bit. Unlike the Afghans who fought a system of Government they did not like, the Kurds have a long standing ethnic and cultural connection that is secular and not religious. Them turning into the Taliban is a very minimal threat. Instead they will be more than happy to kick ISIL ass out of what they consider their territory in Iraq. And guess what their territory contains? Oil, and lots of it. With proper support they could become a played in Middle East politics and one that the US could count on....if we don't fark them over.

It will be nice to see those ISIL pussies finally come up against a force that fights back. I've already seen and read some things that suggest the Kurds have wiped the floor with ISIL in a straight up fight.
 
2014-08-11 01:48:56 PM  
US begins arming the Kurds, making Obama the first US President to not completely fark them over


There's still time, Subby.
 
2014-08-11 01:48:57 PM  
FTFA: "The State Department sought to downplay the significance of the apparent shift in U.S. policy."

unmentioned - the policy has been to not piss off Turkey.

Is this a shift that since Turkey is not BFF with Israel it is ok to alienate Turkey?
 
2014-08-11 01:48:58 PM  

nunyadang: It is amazing what sort of help you can get when you are sitting on top of a huge oil field.

Funny how that part never get mentioned in all of this


That's only a factor when Republicans control the government.
 
2014-08-11 01:49:48 PM  

Weidbrewer: Yogimus:
So did the afghanis in the 80-s

Exactly what I came in to say.  Arming groups that like us when they have nothing can easily turn into armed people who hate us when they get what they want.


They have plenty they are sitting on huge oil reserves. Previous administrations have not armed them for fear of pissing off the Turks.

Like usual, this is not humanitarian, this is fiscal and political/
 
2014-08-11 01:50:07 PM  

trotsky: Unlike the Afghans who fought a system of Government they did not like,


That's a rather benign description of outright unilateral invasion by a foreign power.
 
2014-08-11 01:50:45 PM  

GoldSpider: nunyadang: It is amazing what sort of help you can get when you are sitting on top of a huge oil field.

Funny how that part never get mentioned in all of this

That's only a factor when Republicans control the government.


Do you believe that?
 
2014-08-11 01:50:54 PM  

xanadian: quatchi: Arming the Kurds?

No whey!

/I'll just have a seat over on that tuffet over there.

This joke is cheesy.

/DANGEROUSLY cheesy


image.cdn.ispot.tv
 
2014-08-11 01:51:07 PM  

Yogimus: nekom: TuteTibiImperes: vpb: Good.  Let them do their own fighting.

It works for me, plus the Kurds seem to like us, and if they do get their own autonomous state, we'll want to keep them as friends.  They also seem generally cool about Israel, so that's a plus.

There was an article a few days ago where one of the Kurdish commanders basically said 'you don't need to send your own people to fight for us, please just give us guns'.

Everything I've seen leads me to believe that the Kurds just want to live prosperous lives.  None of that terrorism horse shiat, they just want to live in safety and peace.  If we can help them achieve that, great.

So did the afghanis in the 80-s


A) They're called Afghans, not afghanis. B) The whole "we created Al Qaeda by arming the Afghans against the Russians, nyuk, nyuk" trope is a load of bullshiat. The Arab and other foreign fighters in Afghanistan were armed mainly by Saudi money, with some coming from Pakistan that the CIA gave them. The Afghans we directly supported were the Northern Alliance, and basically who's in charge of Afghanistan today. They were not the same people then, and still aren't.

Bonus from arming the Kurds is that it pisses off Tayyip Ergdogan, which is always nice.
 
2014-08-11 01:51:09 PM  
 
2014-08-11 01:51:22 PM  
So the food and water we airlifted them had more iron and fortified minerals than previously mentioned? Thought so.

Does this mean that once the Kurds help squash the new caliphate that they will declare independence? British owned BP won't like that very much.
 
2014-08-11 01:51:37 PM  
"Here are some extracts from Barack Obamas letter to Condoleezza Rice from 2007:

"I am writing out of concern for Iraq's Christian and other non-Muslims religious minorities, including Catholic Chaldeans, Syriac Ortodocx, Assyrian, Armenian and Protestant Christians, as well as smaller Yezidi and Sabean Mandean communities. I know that the fate of these communities was the subject of a recent letter to you from the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom.

These communities appear to be targeted by Sunni, shiite and Kurdish militants. The U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees reports that Christians, now less than 4 percent of Iraq's population, make up 40 percent of its refugees. And according to the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom, "violence against members of Iraq's Christian community occurs throughout the country, and the Commission has raised particular concern about reports from Baghdad, Mosul, Basra, and the northern Kurdish regions."



Seems like the Kurds were not armed previously for a reason.    They were among the oppressors.

Surely the Kurds will use those weapons against ISIS,   but there is no guarantee the will use them to help protect minorities.

Better be careful what weapons you choose to arm them with.
 
2014-08-11 01:51:46 PM  
So when do we bomb Turkey?
 
2014-08-11 01:52:03 PM  

nunyadang: Weidbrewer: Yogimus:
So did the afghanis in the 80-s

Exactly what I came in to say.  Arming groups that like us when they have nothing can easily turn into armed people who hate us when they get what they want.

They have plenty they are sitting on huge oil reserves. Previous administrations have not armed them for fear of pissing off the Turks.

Like usual, this is not humanitarian, this is fiscal and political/


I have to wonder if the Turks said "Hmm, Kurds that want their own state with the bulk of it in Iraq, or ISIS that will turn its gaze on our largely secular democracy eventually....  We'll take our chances with armed Kurds."
 
2014-08-11 01:52:30 PM  
Hey US government, I bet there is oil underneath my house. Please pay me and give me weapons to defend myself. I pinky-swear I'll never turn on you.
 
2014-08-11 01:53:02 PM  

Weidbrewer: Yogimus:
So did the afghanis in the 80-s

Exactly what I came in to say.  Arming groups that like us when they have nothing can easily turn into armed people who hate us when they get what they want.


The Kurds are already armed; they have a longstanding militia called the persh merga. We're just arming them better, so they can kill those Islamic State scumbags more easily.
 
2014-08-11 01:53:15 PM  
Reaction from Turkey strangely absent.
 
2014-08-11 01:53:35 PM  

HairBolus: Is this a shift that since Turkey is not BFF with Israel it is ok to alienate Turkey?



The political situation in Turkey is a bit of a shiatstorm surrounding Erdogan and his attempts to tighten his grip on power.  Between his conflict with secular and leftist groups, the media, and even conflicts with members of his own party (Gulenists who's leader, oddly enough, lives in the US and quite possibly orchestrated a corruption bushwhacking that netted several of Erdogan's allies).

At this point Turkey isn't what I'd call a reliable ally.
 
2014-08-11 01:54:24 PM  

GoldSpider: nunyadang: It is amazing what sort of help you can get when you are sitting on top of a huge oil field.

Funny how that part never get mentioned in all of this

That's only a factor when Republicans control the government.


And the US is currently the world's largest oil producer. If oil were a factor we would be trying to shut down the competition, not get is started.
 
2014-08-11 01:54:27 PM  

trotsky: The Kurds are damn good at what they do and they do not like ISIL one bit. Unlike the Afghans who fought a system of Government they did not like, the Kurds have a long standing ethnic and cultural connection that is secular and not religious. Them turning into the Taliban is a very minimal threat. Instead they will be more than happy to kick ISIL ass out of what they consider their territory in Iraq. And guess what their territory contains? Oil, and lots of it. With proper support they could become a played in Middle East politics and one that the US could count on....if we don't fark them over.

It will be nice to see those ISIL pussies finally come up against a force that fights back. I've already seen and read some things that suggest the Kurds have wiped the floor with ISIL in a straight up fight.


They have. When the Peshmerga have arms, ISIS gets their asses handed to them on a platter. The Peshmerga's biggest threat is when they were low on or out of ammo. Now that the US is arming them and providing air support, ISIS is going to get beat like a government mule (BAH GAWD KING). Peshmerga are fearless and loyal, and Iraqi Kurds love the USA for implementing the no-fly zone over northern Iraq. Peshmerga are also really well trained and every single Kurd is considered a fighter, even the elderly. They don't fark around. Peshmerga is even roughly translated as "those who face death". They also seem to be pretty ethical and treat prisoners humanely (at least, so far).

Oh and in the cities they take over, the Peshmerga are distributing wanted posters containing pictures of people they saw celebrating with ISIS fighters. They really, really don't fark around, but hopefully this doesn't lead to badness.
 
2014-08-11 01:55:40 PM  

nekom: TuteTibiImperes: vpb: Good.  Let them do their own fighting.

It works for me, plus the Kurds seem to like us, and if they do get their own autonomous state, we'll want to keep them as friends.  They also seem generally cool about Israel, so that's a plus.

There was an article a few days ago where one of the Kurdish commanders basically said 'you don't need to send your own people to fight for us, please just give us guns'.

Everything I've seen leads me to believe that the Kurds just want to live prosperous lives.  None of that terrorism horse shiat, they just want to live in safety and peace.  If we can help them achieve that, great.


This is because the Kurds aren't a religious sect, but an ethnic one, and a loosely ethnic one at that.  They have figured out a way for several religions (multiple flavors of Judiasm, Christianity, Islam, and Mysticism) to co-exist peacefully amongst themselves.  This is a big reason their neighbors (Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Syria) all hate them.  They aren't into the whole "my Islam is the only true Islam and all others must die" mentality.  They also respect Israel because they see them as another group in the general area that just wants their area of land and to be left alone.
 
2014-08-11 01:55:49 PM  

xanadian: quatchi: Arming the Kurds?

No whey!

/I'll just have a seat over on that tuffet over there.

This joke is cheesy.

/DANGEROUSLY cheesy


Should we just let  them tuffet out?
 
2014-08-11 01:56:01 PM  
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Poutine's day of wrath has arrived!
 
2014-08-11 01:56:16 PM  
Because Arming groups in other countries has always worked out well for us.

I'm sure nothing could possibly go wrong here.

thanks obama, bang up job chief.
 
2014-08-11 01:56:42 PM  
Netanyahu is just chortling with joy.

He gonna have a landing strip in an independent Kurdistan to bomb Iran from.

The Kurds, unlike the US, will let Israel use their facilities to attack Iran. The Kurds have been attacking Iranian infrastructure with help from Israel and the US for over a decade.

Enjoy your war in Iran. It's gonna be a doozy. And most likely it will go nuclear thanks to the French and guys like Mordechai Vanunu.
 
2014-08-11 01:56:51 PM  
How did that work out for the Contras, again?
 
2014-08-11 01:56:53 PM  
So now that we are siding with them, does that mean that we can start putting this to use?
 
2014-08-11 01:57:07 PM  
Perhaps we should start developing technology that hides a self destruct mechanism within our weapons, so this way, when we arm a certain group, and they inevitably turn on us, we can just push a button and claim plausible deniability.

Not saying the Kurds will turn on us, just saying, "in case". History hasn't always been kind to us.
 
2014-08-11 01:57:19 PM  

Lifeless: So when do we bomb Turkey?


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2014-08-11 01:57:20 PM  

LazyMedia: Yogimus: nekom: TuteTibiImperes: vpb: Good.  Let them do their own fighting.

It works for me, plus the Kurds seem to like us, and if they do get their own autonomous state, we'll want to keep them as friends.  They also seem generally cool about Israel, so that's a plus.

There was an article a few days ago where one of the Kurdish commanders basically said 'you don't need to send your own people to fight for us, please just give us guns'.

Everything I've seen leads me to believe that the Kurds just want to live prosperous lives.  None of that terrorism horse shiat, they just want to live in safety and peace.  If we can help them achieve that, great.

So did the afghanis in the 80-s

A) They're called Afghans, not afghanis. B) The whole "we created Al Qaeda by arming the Afghans against the Russians, nyuk, nyuk" trope is a load of bullshiat. The Arab and other foreign fighters in Afghanistan were armed mainly by Saudi money, with some coming from Pakistan that the CIA gave them. The Afghans we directly supported were the Northern Alliance, and basically who's in charge of Afghanistan today. They were not the same people then, and still aren't.

Bonus from arming the Kurds is that it pisses off Tayyip Ergdogan, which is always nice.


This. Anyone who said we created the Taliban or Al Qaeda doesn't know what the fark they are talking about. Taliban was formed well after the Soviets left. When the Soviets left, it created a power vacuum, which ended up with local warlords running things. One warlord was a dick and held little boys as sex slaves. Mullah Omar rounded up a posse, freed the boys and killed the warlord, which made them get popular. They kept expanding and voila, the Taliban was formed. US lack of support after the Soviets left didn't help, but they didn't arm and create them at all. Same goes for Al Qaeda; OBL never got US support or weapons (he didn't need them; he was loaded and had Saudi connections).
 
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