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(The New York Times)   GOP's new slogan: "Yes We Can"   (nytimes.com) divider line 74
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2014-08-11 11:47:34 AM  
Come on, we've all seen enough horror movies to know that the mindless zombie killer fueled by naught but an insatiable lust for destruction and to punish sexy teenagers for rubbing their naughty bits together isn't REALLY dead the first time.
 
2014-08-11 12:00:53 PM  
I dread another round of the Federal Government being run by the Republicians. That'll mean us Democrats will be cleaning up another farking mess in the next few years.

/Democrats: Cleaning up GOP messes since 1932.
 
2014-08-11 12:07:22 PM  
and quick passage of measures, like approval of the Keystone XL pipeline and repeal of a medical equipment tax, to show they can govern.

That is what they're using as an example of "look how good we can govern!" Seriously?

This is the same country that put men on the moon. My, how we have fallen.
 
2014-08-11 12:28:02 PM  

AirForceVet: I dread another round of the Federal Government being run by the Republicians. That'll mean us Democrats will be cleaning up another farking mess in the next few years.

/Democrats: Cleaning up GOP messes since 1932.


Those messes were just like cleaning up after a weekend kegger.  This new round of assholes will create a mess that will require hazmat suits and people comfortable working with ample bodily fluids.
 
2014-08-11 12:40:48 PM  
No, you Potato.
 
2014-08-11 12:47:25 PM  
"I want to focus on the things that I think can actually get 60 votes in the Senate," said Senator John Barrasso of Wyoming, chairman of the Senate Republican Policy Committee.

Great!  Let's try finding things both sides can agree on for a change!

Even as they talk about pragmatic achievable solutions, though, Republicans also say they are likely to take an early symbolic vote on repeal of the health care law, which would face a certain veto by Mr. Obama.

Well ... don't strain yourself on the first day I guess?

Seriously, has "voted to repeal Obamacare" become some kind of mandatory achievement for Republicans?  Does a little icon pop up in the bottom right corner of the House of Representatives every time a new Congressman casts his first vote for repeal?
 
2014-08-11 12:54:47 PM  
Yes we can... show ourselves capable of sober and rational governance and to prove it the first thing we are gonna do is hold a symbolic vote to repeal the ACA knowing full well it will be vetoed?

Little wordy for a bumper sticker.

Also completely daft, of course.
 
2014-08-11 12:56:56 PM  
The Farm Bill
The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
The Violence Against Women Act
VA funding
Their own immigration reform bill

Yeah, I think we have ample evidence of GOP leadership.
 
2014-08-11 01:02:38 PM  
Because this has never been done before.


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2014-08-11 01:16:14 PM  
I tried to read it all, I really did. I was getting a little head-achy but still trying to force my way through when I ran into this:

"We believe the budget is the best opportunity to achieve policy goals and set an agenda that moves the debate toward the issues that favor us but also are important - government spending, government overreach and government incompetence," said Tim Phillips, president of Americans for Prosperity.

I'm only human.

So he's actually saying that the BUDGET is the place to set an agenda that favors his party. They're just not even trying to pretend to appear to be governing any more, are they?
 
2014-08-11 01:23:36 PM  

MrBallou: I tried to read it all, I really did. I was getting a little head-achy but still trying to force my way through when I ran into this:

"We believe the budget is the best opportunity to achieve policy goals and set an agenda that moves the debate toward the issues that favor us but also are important - government spending, government overreach and government incompetence," said Tim Phillips, president of Americans for Prosperity.

I'm only human.

So he's actually saying that the BUDGET is the place to set an agenda that favors his party. They're just not even trying to pretend to appear to be governing any more, are they?


I think they're just trying to redefine what "governing" is.

gov·ern (gvrn)
v. gov·erned, gov·ern·ing, gov·erns
v.tr.
1. To act like whiny crybabies until your party gets what they want.
(New Conservative Dictionary)
 
2014-08-11 01:24:25 PM  
Can what? Do the can-can? Trip on a can and fall on your can?
Cancel Weeds, the show about cannabis?

I'm going to need more details here,
 
2014-08-11 01:57:21 PM  
Can someone explain this line to me?

"One measure that does not require 60 votes is a budget, which needs only to attract a majority and does not go to the president's desk."

The president doesn't have to sign a budget? Since when?
 
2014-08-11 02:02:10 PM  

mrshowrules: AirForceVet: I dread another round of the Federal Government being run by the Republicians. That'll mean us Democrats will be cleaning up another farking mess in the next few years.

/Democrats: Cleaning up GOP messes since 1932.

Those messes were just like cleaning up after a weekend kegger.  This new round of assholes will create a mess that will require hazmat suits and people comfortable working with ample bodily fluids.


ew
santorum everywhere
farking pigs
 
2014-08-11 02:04:07 PM  

MrBallou: I tried to read it all, I really did. I was getting a little head-achy but still trying to force my way through when I ran into this:

"We believe the budget is the best opportunity to achieve policy goals and set an agenda that moves the debate toward the issues that favor us but also are important - government spending, government overreach and government incompetence," said Tim Phillips, president of Americans for Prosperity.

I'm only human.

So he's actually saying that the BUDGET is the place to set an agenda that favors his party. They're just not even trying to pretend to appear to be governing any more, are they?


been a long time since they cared about anyone
 
2014-08-11 02:13:44 PM  

nmrsnr: Can someone explain this line to me?

"One measure that does not require 60 votes is a budget, which needs only to attract a majority and does not go to the president's desk."

The president doesn't have to sign a budget? Since when?


The President is the one that starts the budgetary process, via the OMB, not Congress.

Congress doesn't need the President for the budget proposal either. They can go with a budget of their own if they like. The budget does not require the President's signature, since it is a "concurrent resolution" and not a law.

So of course it makes perfect sense to use the budget as a hostage to eradicate laws that the GOP does not like.

But they're not terrorists. Stop calling them that.
 
2014-08-11 02:15:04 PM  

nmrsnr: Can someone explain this line to me?

"One measure that does not require 60 votes is a budget, which needs only to attract a majority and does not go to the president's desk."

The president doesn't have to sign a budget? Since when?


Since their "budget proposals" became nothing more than campaign literature. They don't even bring the damn phony things up for votes anymore. There's no intention of it ever going anywhere or being anything besides "messaging".
 
2014-08-11 02:57:54 PM  

AirForceVet: I dread another round of the Federal Government being run by the Republicians. That'll mean us Democrats will be cleaning up another farking mess in the next few years.

/Democrats: Cleaning up GOP messes since 1932.


No worries. A Federal Government run by the GOP this time around.... will be a dismantled and abolished government.  Won't be anything left to clean up.
 
2014-08-11 02:58:05 PM  

Lando Lincoln: nmrsnr: Can someone explain this line to me?

"One measure that does not require 60 votes is a budget, which needs only to attract a majority and does not go to the president's desk."

The president doesn't have to sign a budget? Since when?

The President is the one that starts the budgetary process, via the OMB, not Congress.

Congress doesn't need the President for the budget proposal either. They can go with a budget of their own if they like. The budget does not require the President's signature, since it is a "concurrent resolution" and not a law.

So of course it makes perfect sense to use the budget as a hostage to eradicate laws that the GOP does not like.

But they're not terrorists. Stop calling them that.


A continuing resolution is certainly a law and requires the signature of the President.
 
2014-08-11 02:59:06 PM  
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2014-08-11 02:59:09 PM  

SilentStrider: Can what? Do the can-can? Trip on a can and fall on your can?
Cancel Weeds, the show about cannabis?

I'm going to need more details here,


It's great fun for me when I get to ask some of these types what exactly their "freedom" is from - is it freedom from an 18th-century king? Freedom from protection from exploitation by profit-driven companies? Freedom from what exactly?

"Liberty" - from what exactly?

"United We Stand" - for what precisely are we standing?

Are all of these just verbal diarrhea with no actual meaning?

I also enjoyed a conversation I overheard yesterday that went "Say what you will about Bush, but you couldn't question his love of country." What does that mean? Someone who really, really loves the country is magically qualified to make complex, serious decisions about the country and the world? A complete moron is fine in the highest position in the country as long as he's blindly patriotic? Good grief, the stupid burns.
 
2014-08-11 03:01:11 PM  

menschenfresser: I also enjoyed a conversation I overheard yesterday that went "Say what you will about Bush, but you couldn't question his love of country." What does that mean? Someone who really, really loves the country is magically qualified to make complex, serious decisions about the country and the world? A complete moron is fine in the highest position in the country as long as he's blindly patriotic? Good grief, the stupid burns.


I neglected to mention that the point of the speaker saying this was to imply that president Obama doesn't love the country. He had no evidence to base that on; it was just put forth as fact without anything to support it.
 
2014-08-11 03:01:21 PM  
Piss the entire planet off simultaneously? I don't doubt it.
 
2014-08-11 03:02:38 PM  

Lando Lincoln: The budget does not require the President's signature, since it is a "concurrent resolution" and not a law.


Incorrect. The concurrent resolution you refer to is the budget resolution, which is basically a blueprint for the actual appropriations bills. The appropriations bills themselves are laws and are subject to a Presidential veto.
 
2014-08-11 03:03:42 PM  

quatchi: Yes we can... show ourselves capable of sober and rational governance and to prove it the first thing we are gonna do is hold a symbolic vote to repeal the ACA knowing full well it will be vetoed?

Little wordy for a bumper sticker.

Also completely daft, of course.


Yes please vote to repeal the ACA and take away health insurance from the millions of American's who now have it and allow insurance companies to deny coverage for pre-existing conditions. My bet is you will only see the other end of Pennsylvania Ave. when Hillary (or whomever runs as the Democrat) invites you to state dinners.
 
2014-08-11 03:04:49 PM  

menschenfresser: menschenfresser: I also enjoyed a conversation I overheard yesterday that went "Say what you will about Bush, but you couldn't question his love of country." What does that mean? Someone who really, really loves the country is magically qualified to make complex, serious decisions about the country and the world? A complete moron is fine in the highest position in the country as long as he's blindly patriotic? Good grief, the stupid burns.

I neglected to mention that the point of the speaker saying this was to imply that president Obama doesn't love the country. He had no evidence to base that on; it was just put forth as fact without anything to support it.


Fox News tells him that every day, that's all the proof he needs.
 
2014-08-11 03:13:03 PM  

max_pooper: Lando Lincoln: nmrsnr: Can someone explain this line to me?

"One measure that does not require 60 votes is a budget, which needs only to attract a majority and does not go to the president's desk."

The president doesn't have to sign a budget? Since when?

The President is the one that starts the budgetary process, via the OMB, not Congress.

Congress doesn't need the President for the budget proposal either. They can go with a budget of their own if they like. The budget does not require the President's signature, since it is a "concurrent resolution" and not a law.

So of course it makes perfect sense to use the budget as a hostage to eradicate laws that the GOP does not like.

But they're not terrorists. Stop calling them that.

A continuing resolution is certainly a law and requires the signature of the President.


https://www.senate.gov/reference/reference_index_subjects/Budget_vrd .h tm 
No, he said "concurrent resolution", not "continuing resolution".
Either way, to explain to those confused. A congressional budget is a meaningless document that basically similar to setting up congressional house rules. Its a outline of the entire yearly budget. The Senate budget is similar. They then create a "Budget Resolution" which is passed by the house and senate. Then, they pass individual appropriate bills for each agency. These appropriation bills must conform to the budget resolution and are open for limited debate and they are what is signed by the president. If a budget isn't passed or if all appropriation bills aren't passed by Oct 1st, a continuing resolution is passed that covers all appropriations that haven't been passed yet (and that and appropriation bills must be signed by the president)
 
2014-08-11 03:14:26 PM  
FTFA:

"Because we have been in the minority, some people are used to saying no. We need to find something we can say yes to, something that advances our agenda."


HEY ASSHOLES YOU HAVE CONTROLLED THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES SINCE 2010.  YOU'VE SPENT THE LAST 4 YEARS PRETENDING THAT YOU HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY TO GOVERN THE COUNTRY.
 
2014-08-11 03:16:49 PM  
So they're ditching Joe the Plumber in favor of Bob the Builder?

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2014-08-11 03:17:04 PM  

MindStalker: No, he said "concurrent resolution", not "continuing resolution".


BTW, this is why you often hear, "The Senate hasn't passed a budget in X year". Because the House has to first pass a budget, and the senate would need to pass that. That would have required the Senate to essentially vote Yes on the Ryan budget.
 
2014-08-11 03:21:05 PM  
you know, if the republicans in congress actually represent their home town's dictates and act when the constituency is alarmed (lets just hypothesize), good god, it must be hard to lead.

Here's a looking-at-it-sideways question, "How would YOU herd the population of a small town in Oklahoma into the 21st century? With iPads?"

ihasasadnow
 
2014-08-11 03:23:10 PM  
FTA: "We need to change our mentality," said Senator John Cornyn of Texas, the No. 2 Senate Republican. "Because we have been in the minority, some people are used to saying no. We need to find something we can say yes to, something that advances our agenda."

Have they run this by Speaker of the House Ted Cruz yet?
 
2014-08-11 03:23:49 PM  
Subs left out the rest of the slogan: Yes We Can Destroy The Middle Class
 
2014-08-11 03:25:28 PM  

Karac: "I want to focus on the things that I think can actually get 60 votes in the Senate," said Senator John Barrasso of Wyoming, chairman of the Senate Republican Policy Committee.

Great!  Let's try finding things both sides can agree on for a change!

Even as they talk about pragmatic achievable solutions, though, Republicans also say they are likely to take an early symbolic vote on repeal of the health care law, which would face a certain veto by Mr. Obama.

Well ... don't strain yourself on the first day I guess?

Seriously, has "voted to repeal Obamacare" become some kind of mandatory achievement for Republicans?  Does a little icon pop up in the bottom right corner of the House of Representatives every time a new Congressman casts his first vote for repeal?


It's one of those cumulative achievements.  You get one when you vote to repeal Obamacare, another at 10 votes, and another at 50 votes.  At 100 votes you get a special potato mount.
 
2014-08-11 03:27:32 PM  
All I can say is, with the economy at least showing some strength the past few months, my wife & I were planning on making at least 1 major purchase before the end of the year.

However, if the Republicans take control of the Senate and keep the House by a wide enough margin, I doubt we'll be making any purchases other than necessities until 2016.  I expect at least a couple of shutdowns or fiscal cliff bullshiat if they control the House & Senate, sadly.  Which could very well put both of our jobs at risk.  They don't give a shiat about governing, they only care about new and interesting ways to fark over the average citizen to benefit themselves and their benefactors.
 
2014-08-11 03:30:51 PM  

sobriquet by any other name: you know, if the republicans in congress actually represent their home town's dictates and act when the constituency is alarmed (lets just hypothesize), good god, it must be hard to lead.

Here's a looking-at-it-sideways question, "How would YOU herd the population of a small town in Oklahoma into the 21st century? With iPads?"

ihasasadnow


Republicans need some serious tough love for their constituents.

"Look, you guys are really, really misinformed or uninformed about a lot of stuff. Fox News is telling you guys lies on a daily basis, and it's not helping anybody but their own ratings. Rush Limbaugh is full of crap too. Ann Coulter and all of the other authors are just there to fleece you out of your money. We as a party need to stop trying to invent facts in a desperate bid to alter reality to something that suits our fancy. That's just no way to govern effectively."

Dare to dream that Republican politicians would actually say this to their constituents.
 
2014-08-11 03:30:54 PM  
Foregone conclusion that they will extend their majority in the house.  Better than even odds they take the senate and the white house.  Democrats have alienated a lot of voters that these past few years and it is going to bite them in the ass for the near future.
 
2014-08-11 03:31:13 PM  

Karac: Seriously, has "voted to repeal Obamacare" become some kind of mandatory achievement for Republicans? Does a little icon pop up in the bottom right corner of the House of Representatives every time a new Congressman casts his first vote for repeal?


Yes, it has.  In January 2013, they held a vote just so the freshmen Congressmen could claim they voted to repeal it.
 
2014-08-11 03:34:38 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: Foregone conclusion that they will extend their majority in the house.  Better than even odds they take the senate and the white house.  Democrats have alienated a lot of voters that these past few years and it is going to bite them in the ass for the near future.


Better than even odds on the Senate, yes.

Better than even odds on the White House, lol.
 
2014-08-11 03:34:40 PM  
+1, subby.
 
2014-08-11 03:36:17 PM  

foo monkey: Karac: Seriously, has "voted to repeal Obamacare" become some kind of mandatory achievement for Republicans? Does a little icon pop up in the bottom right corner of the House of Representatives every time a new Congressman casts his first vote for repeal?

Yes, it has.  In January 2013, they held a vote just so the freshmen Congressmen could claim they voted to repeal it.


It's like in the mob when you get arrested for the first time and don't rat anybody out. It's a rite of passage.

demonsresume.files.wordpress.com
"Hey, you voted to repeal Obamacare for the first time! Congrats, kid!"

 
2014-08-11 03:40:24 PM  

nmrsnr: Can someone explain this line to me?

"One measure that does not require 60 votes is a budget, which needs only to attract a majority and does not go to the president's desk."

The president doesn't have to sign a budget? Since when?


There's a law which says the budget has to be passed.
That law has no penalties for non-compliance.
It also doesn't mean that the budget in question is binding.

foo monkey: Karac: Seriously, has "voted to repeal Obamacare" become some kind of mandatory achievement for Republicans? Does a little icon pop up in the bottom right corner of the House of Representatives every time a new Congressman casts his first vote for repeal?

Yes, it has.  In January 2013, they held a vote just so the freshmen Congressmen could claim they voted to repeal it.


I wonder what the first year that bit of theater doesn't go into production will be?  Or at least which year with a Republican controlled Congress will be the first.
 
2014-08-11 03:43:31 PM  

sobriquet by any other name: you know, if the republicans in congress actually represent their home town's dictates and act when the constituency is alarmed (lets just hypothesize), good god, it must be hard to lead.

Here's a looking-at-it-sideways question, "How would YOU herd the population of a small town in Oklahoma into the 21st century? With iPads?"

ihasasadnow


Democracy:  The art of finding leaders to manage the people, while pretending that the people are still in charge.
 
2014-08-11 03:46:32 PM  
The fark do the Republicans need majorities for? We've seen what they can do without them.
 
2014-08-11 03:48:08 PM  
Si se puede?
 
2014-08-11 03:48:38 PM  
At the same time, they are warning Republican members who have chafed at their minority status for years that simply holding the majority is no guarantee that they can get all they want.

Wait... I'm pretty sure they've been saying the exact opposite about the Dems in the 2009-10 term, that the Dems either did or should have gotten everything they wanted because they held both houses.
 
2014-08-11 04:04:14 PM  

sendtodave: sobriquet by any other name: you know, if the republicans in congress actually represent their home town's dictates and act when the constituency is alarmed (lets just hypothesize), good god, it must be hard to lead.

Here's a looking-at-it-sideways question, "How would YOU herd the population of a small town in Oklahoma into the 21st century? With iPads?"

ihasasadnow


Democracy:  The art of finding leaders to manage the people, while pretending that the people are still in charge.


bravo! if you can contain this paradox in your day to day life, step up and claim your prize*

*free diners and golf vacations, maybe a free renovation or two
 
2014-08-11 04:09:51 PM  
My prediction: They pass a "budget" that's utter bullshiat, filled with stuff that would utterly destroy the economy then try to impeach Obama when he veto's it.

My real prediction: Just like the last election filtered out the noise of the right-wing media machine and Obama crushed Romney in what was supposed to be a tight race, the idiots pick up way fewer seats in the House and fail to win the Senate. Their "motivated base" is going to be far less motivated by the establishment candidates that are winning the primaries than the Tea Party assholes that they wanted to vote for.

/maybe I'm just optimistic
//maybe delusional
///I like my world, it's a happier place
 
2014-08-11 04:10:55 PM  
I moused over the link and thought it said "eyeing control of bath houses," which made a lot of sense for the GOP.
 
2014-08-11 04:12:26 PM  
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