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(Boston Herald)   Old and busted: Fans say baseball is too slow. New hotness: Owners voting on a new commissioner say baseball is too slow   (bostonherald.com) divider line 48
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2014-08-11 10:55:48 AM  
I would watch baseball again if they had a series of randomly placed land mines in the outfield.
/Carlin set the bar high
 
2014-08-11 11:22:36 AM  
Automate the strike zone.

Umpires make calls to lengthen each at-bat. Just by automating the strike zone I wouldn't be surprised if you shortened the games by 10-15 minutes on average.
 
2014-08-11 01:00:57 PM  
I was thinking about the commissioner search, and was thinking that if Tom Werner gets the gig, the other 28 teams might as well just go out of business because the ZOMG YANKEES RED SOX YANKEES RED SOX YANKEES RED SOX wankery will go through the stratosphere.
 
2014-08-11 01:08:29 PM  
 
2014-08-11 01:19:56 PM  

nmrsnr: Automate the strike zone.

Umpires make calls to lengthen each at-bat. Just by automating the strike zone I wouldn't be surprised if you shortened the games by 10-15 minutes on average.


I think the bigger thing would simply be to start enforcing the rules on time between pitches.  If they started calling balks on any pitcher who takes forever and a day to throw the ball, the game would probably speed up quite a bit.  Same thing with calling time for batters.  They don't need half a minute between every single pitch to adjust every piece of clothing they're wearing.
 
2014-08-11 01:20:41 PM  

nmrsnr: Automate the strike zone.

Umpires make calls to lengthen each at-bat. Just by automating the strike zone I wouldn't be surprised if you shortened the games by 10-15 minutes on average.



There are so many reasons to automate the strike zone.  But yes, doing so would shorten games as the zone would not tighten on 0-2 counts or expand on 3-0 counts.

You also need to set a hard limit on the number of times a catcher is allowed to visit the pitcher on the mound per inning.  Limit the number of infield conferences on the mound and actually enforce the pitch clock (yes there actually is one in the rule books but no one any attention to it.)
 
2014-08-11 01:21:25 PM  

NeoCortex42: nmrsnr: Automate the strike zone.

Umpires make calls to lengthen each at-bat. Just by automating the strike zone I wouldn't be surprised if you shortened the games by 10-15 minutes on average.

I think the bigger thing would simply be to start enforcing the rules on time between pitches.  If they started calling balks on any pitcher who takes forever and a day to throw the ball, the game would probably speed up quite a bit.  Same thing with calling time for batters.  They don't need half a minute between every single pitch to adjust every piece of clothing they're wearing.


this, this and double this!
 
2014-08-11 01:27:14 PM  

NeoCortex42: nmrsnr: Automate the strike zone.

Umpires make calls to lengthen each at-bat. Just by automating the strike zone I wouldn't be surprised if you shortened the games by 10-15 minutes on average.

I think the bigger thing would simply be to start enforcing the rules on time between pitches.  If they started calling balks on any pitcher who takes forever and a day to throw the ball, the game would probably speed up quite a bit.  Same thing with calling time for batters.  They don't need half a minute between every single pitch to adjust every piece of clothing they're wearing.


True, but 1) I really, really want an automated strike zone because having a pitch down the middle called a ball because the pitcher wanted it outside, or a ball 4 inches off the plate a strike because the catcher "framed it well" or the pitcher is "known for control" is unbelievably dumb, and 2) it wouldn't require the players to change anything they are doing, just the umpires, who, to my mind, are incidental to the sport.
 
2014-08-11 01:32:16 PM  

NeoCortex42: nmrsnr: Automate the strike zone.

Umpires make calls to lengthen each at-bat. Just by automating the strike zone I wouldn't be surprised if you shortened the games by 10-15 minutes on average.

I think the bigger thing would simply be to start enforcing the rules on time between pitches.  If they started calling balks on any pitcher who takes forever and a day to throw the ball, the game would probably speed up quite a bit.  Same thing with calling time for batters.  They don't need half a minute between every single pitch to adjust every piece of clothing they're wearing.


Girls college softball has a clock.  The batter has 10 seconds to get in the box after which the pitcher has 10 seconds to throw the ball.  The game moves at a pretty good pace.
 
2014-08-11 01:36:22 PM  

Muta: NeoCortex42: nmrsnr: Automate the strike zone.

Umpires make calls to lengthen each at-bat. Just by automating the strike zone I wouldn't be surprised if you shortened the games by 10-15 minutes on average.

I think the bigger thing would simply be to start enforcing the rules on time between pitches.  If they started calling balks on any pitcher who takes forever and a day to throw the ball, the game would probably speed up quite a bit.  Same thing with calling time for batters.  They don't need half a minute between every single pitch to adjust every piece of clothing they're wearing.

Girls college softball has a clock.  The batter has 10 seconds to get in the box after which the pitcher has 10 seconds to throw the ball.  The game moves at a pretty good pace.


Baseball has one as well, but it is 12 seconds. As mentioned earlier, it's just not enforced.
 
2014-08-11 01:42:03 PM  

WinoRhino: Baseball has one as well, but it is 12 seconds. As mentioned earlier, it's just not enforced.


Post a shot clock then. Except you get 5 seconds as a batter to get in the box unless you're picking yourself up off the dirt, in which case you get 10. If you're not back in at 5 seconds, automatic strike. Then pitchers get 7 seconds (rest of the 12 seconds). If the pitch isn't on its way in 7 seconds, automatic ball.
 
2014-08-11 01:42:58 PM  
I don't think baseball is too slow, but it is too long.  Shorten the season to the end of august.  Make the playoffs start in September and be done by October.
 
2014-08-11 01:43:37 PM  
Increased pitching changes and tv delays are the big problem. I totally agree with enforcing the between-pitch time limit but I don't see that making a huge difference.
 
2014-08-11 01:48:09 PM  

Muta: NeoCortex42: nmrsnr: Automate the strike zone.

Umpires make calls to lengthen each at-bat. Just by automating the strike zone I wouldn't be surprised if you shortened the games by 10-15 minutes on average.

I think the bigger thing would simply be to start enforcing the rules on time between pitches.  If they started calling balks on any pitcher who takes forever and a day to throw the ball, the game would probably speed up quite a bit.  Same thing with calling time for batters.  They don't need half a minute between every single pitch to adjust every piece of clothing they're wearing.

Girls college softball has a clock.  The batter has 10 seconds to get in the box after which the pitcher has 10 seconds to throw the ball.  The game moves at a pretty good pace.


That is partially because softball is much more of a defense oriented game. It alao helps that there are no pick off plays or anything of that nature.

That said, they need to start enforcing 'tempo' rules in the minor leagues. Be strict and get those guys trained early. That way, you knock off the Nomar or Steve Traschel stuff before they are established vets.
 
2014-08-11 01:58:58 PM  

IAmRight: Post a shot clock then. Except you get 5 seconds as a batter to get in the box unless you're picking yourself up off the dirt, in which case you get 10. If you're not back in at 5 seconds, automatic strike. Then pitchers get 7 seconds (rest of the 12 seconds). If the pitch isn't on its way in 7 seconds, automatic ball.


I'm all for it!
 
2014-08-11 02:08:42 PM  
I haven't seen any suggestions here that will make the owners more money, therefore none will be considered. 3 game series to play in for the wildcard anyone? 2 more games for TV revenue and ticket sales.
 
2014-08-11 02:17:25 PM  
Baseball is not too slow. It is just one of those sports that you had to play in order to appreciate watching it, much like golf. I find myself wanting the games to be longer some of the time. The 6th inning is always there before you know it, and its sad to realize the game is 2/3 over.
 
2014-08-11 02:19:48 PM  

durty_nacho: Baseball is not too slow. It is just one of those sports that you had to play in order to appreciate watching it, much like golf. I find myself wanting the games to be longer some of the time. The 6th inning is always there before you know it, and its sad to realize the game is 2/3 over.


You don't need to have played baseball to know that watching every batter adjust his batting gloves for 30 seconds between pitches is boring as shiat.
 
2014-08-11 02:20:14 PM  
 
2014-08-11 02:20:37 PM  
Two words to make baseball more exciting:  land mines.
 
2014-08-11 02:22:57 PM  

WinoRhino: Muta: NeoCortex42: nmrsnr: Automate the strike zone.

Umpires make calls to lengthen each at-bat. Just by automating the strike zone I wouldn't be surprised if you shortened the games by 10-15 minutes on average.

I think the bigger thing would simply be to start enforcing the rules on time between pitches.  If they started calling balks on any pitcher who takes forever and a day to throw the ball, the game would probably speed up quite a bit.  Same thing with calling time for batters.  They don't need half a minute between every single pitch to adjust every piece of clothing they're wearing.

Girls college softball has a clock.  The batter has 10 seconds to get in the box after which the pitcher has 10 seconds to throw the ball.  The game moves at a pretty good pace.

Baseball has one as well, but it is 12 seconds. As mentioned earlier, it's just not enforced.


Doesn't the unenforced 12 second rule only apply when no one is on base?  Granted, no one is on base much of the game so even enforcing the 12 second rule would move things along.
 
2014-08-11 02:22:59 PM  

durty_nacho: It is just one of those sports that you had to play in order to appreciate watching it,


No, it's just one of those sports that requires you to not be aware of alternatives in order to enjoy watching it.

/it's nice to be at the park on a  sunny day, but it being a baseball game is pretty irrelevant to what makes it enjoyable
//except that if it were another sport you might be inclined to pay attention instead of just enjoying the day
 
2014-08-11 02:25:31 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: You don't need to have played baseball to know that watching every batter adjust his batting gloves for 30 seconds between pitches is boring as shiat.


I dunno, I don't find it boring but I always attributed it to the fact that I played, so I can appreciate what a batter is doing to get comfortable for each pitch.

It takes an insane amount of concentration to think about everything happening on the bases, where the fielders have shifted between pitches, what the pitcher is thinking about the current count which will dictate what type of pitch you *think* you might receive. All of these scenarios are different for every pitch, so if a batter takes 10 seconds to get his head right, it's alright by me.
 
2014-08-11 02:27:46 PM  
In fact, that is probably the reason they take so long, because they have to run through a bunch of scenarios and analyze the game for every single pitch. So they buy some time and adjust their gloves and try and stay in rhythm while they scout out the defense and base runners.
 
2014-08-11 02:36:36 PM  

durty_nacho: In fact, that is probably the reason they take so long, because they have to run through a bunch of scenarios and analyze the game for every single pitch. So they buy some time and adjust their gloves and try and stay in rhythm while they scout out the defense and base runners.


How is this generation of players different in that regard from the many generations who came before them and managed to hit the ball without first going through a 22-step OCD routine between pitches?
 
2014-08-11 02:48:54 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: How is this generation of players different in that regard from the many generations who came before them and managed to hit the ball without first going through a 22-step OCD routine between pitches?


I don't think your average batter has an extreme OCD routine. Some do, but most are able to do what they need within 7-10 seconds. For people to believe that a batters between pitch routine is contributing to games being unnecessarily long, and as a result, boring, they must think that the average batters routine of 7-10 seconds is too long. I just wanted to throw out there that in my opinion, those routines are extremely necessary in order for the batter to have any chance at success. I don't think you could change the game enough to eliminate them without hurting offense.
 
2014-08-11 02:53:23 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: durty_nacho: In fact, that is probably the reason they take so long, because they have to run through a bunch of scenarios and analyze the game for every single pitch. So they buy some time and adjust their gloves and try and stay in rhythm while they scout out the defense and base runners.

How is this generation of players different in that regard from the many generations who came before them and managed to hit the ball without first going through a 22-step OCD routine between pitches?


B/c only the good players used to do it, now everybody, even the 31 year old rookie, has to do it.
 
2014-08-11 02:55:45 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: durty_nacho: In fact, that is probably the reason they take so long, because they have to run through a bunch of scenarios and analyze the game for every single pitch. So they buy some time and adjust their gloves and try and stay in rhythm while they scout out the defense and base runners.

How is this generation of players different in that regard from the many generations who came before them and managed to hit the ball without first going through a 22-step OCD routine between pitches?


Most of them aren't hyped on greenies?
 
2014-08-11 03:47:36 PM  

durty_nacho: In fact, that is probably the reason they take so long, because they have to run through a bunch of scenarios and analyze the game for every single pitch. So they buy some time and adjust their gloves and try and stay in rhythm while they scout out the defense and base runners.


lol @ thinking that there's anywhere near that level of thinking going on.

Good lord, imagine what basketball players must go through with people constantly moving around and defenses changing in front of them on the fly.
 
2014-08-11 03:57:24 PM  

IAmRight: durty_nacho: In fact, that is probably the reason they take so long, because they have to run through a bunch of scenarios and analyze the game for every single pitch. So they buy some time and adjust their gloves and try and stay in rhythm while they scout out the defense and base runners.

lol @ thinking that there's anywhere near that level of thinking going on.

Good lord, imagine what basketball players must go through with people constantly moving around and defenses changing in front of them on the fly.


Yeah, but did you PLAY baseball?   Because unless you PLAYED baseball, you really don't get it.
 
2014-08-11 04:02:18 PM  
NeoCortex42: Same thing with calling time for batters. They don't need half a minute between every single pitch to adjust every piece of clothing they're wearing.

"What's that?" said Jim Thome for his entire career. Step out of the box > adjust each glove > tap his shoes > tug on the gloves again > adjust his testicles > tug on his sleeve > wave the bat a few times > repeat as needed.

yequalsy; Increased pitching changes and tv delays are the big problem. I totally agree with enforcing the between-pitch time limit but I don't see that making a huge difference.

THIS x infinity. When I go to a game, the game just stops dead waiting for the TV people to indicate the commercials have ended. Pitching changes are deadly. Last Angels game I went to, Jered Weaver left in the 7th with a 6-1 lead, the game was moving along at a nice clip. Then the Angels crap bullpen took over and there was three pitchers used to get the last 6 outs; the Twins also had an in-game pitching change. Per the stats, the game ended up lasting 3:17.

IAmRight: //except that if it were another sport you might be inclined to pay attention instead of just enjoying the day

Then why does a sport that has 11-12 minutes of "action", the NFL, take over three hours to play? It's just sooooo much fun to watch a bunch of morbidly obese lineman stand there sucking for air and everyone else just standing around. The few times I went to an NFL game, it was boring as hell. I hear that NFL thingy is pretty popular in the United States.

/In favor of an automated strike zone, otherwise leave the umps alone
 
2014-08-11 04:07:30 PM  

IAmRight: lol @ thinking that there's anywhere near that level of thinking going on.


There is absolutely that level of thinking going on. Most people that didn't play baseball don't realize how much strategy there really is in the game. And the strategy can completely change from one pitch to the next. A 2-0 count with a runner on first is very different from a 0-2 count and a runner on first.
 
2014-08-11 04:12:37 PM  

Henry Holland: yequalsy; Increased pitching changes and tv delays are the big problem


Pitching changes are another thing that can't really be changed without affecting the game negatively, especially in the National League. How you manage your bullpen is the difference between a championship year and a below .500 year. If there is any chance you can win the game, you will know exactly which pitcher has the stuff to go up against a particular batter and you will use them at the right time, taken into account how many baserunners there are, which bases they are on, how the batter in question has hit on that day as well as over the last few games. Make a mistake here and that is the difference between a three-run shot and a relief pitcher striking out the side. That is why you often see a new pitcher for every batter in the later innings.
 
2014-08-11 04:12:57 PM  
Home runs get 6 points

Batted balls that hit the wall get 4 points

Two batters on the field at the same time. Why not?

Eliminate 2 bases

Replace the strike zone with three wood stakes

Flatter bats for easier hits

Only 2 innings
 
2014-08-11 04:23:01 PM  

Henry Holland: The few times I went to an NFL game, it was boring as hell.


It's basically been made for TV - it's become quite clear that the goal isn't for you to enjoy it at the stadium.

durty_nacho: Make a mistake here and that is the difference between a three-run shot and a relief pitcher striking out the side. That is why you often see a new pitcher for every batter in the later innings.


Maybe you should get pitchers that are good enough to get multiple people out.

Man, you WAYYYY overthink baseball. I get it, it's because you played, unlike...oh, damn near every kid in America.
 
2014-08-11 04:25:02 PM  

durty_nacho: A 2-0 count with a runner on first is very different from a 0-2 count and a runner on first.


Wow, "slightly expand your strike zone" is some next-level sh*t man. How do they keep that in their head? And you say the runner has to probably be ready to go on the swing with an 0-2 count? HOLY SH*T HOW DO THEY KEEP IT ALL STRAIGHT IT MUST REQUIRE AN INSANE AMOUNT OF CONCENTRATION TO ASSIMILATE FACTS AT A BLISTERING RATE OF ONE PER 30 SECONDS!
 
2014-08-11 04:28:09 PM  
durty_nacho: Pitching changes are another thing that can't really be changed without affecting the game negatively

Oh, I agree, that still doesn't mean they can't be a real drag on a game. I took three friends who don't like baseball much to a Dodger game (it helped that my boss gifted me 4 tickets by the visiting dugout) and they couldn't believe how much time the guy next to me and I spent talking about strategy.

Not much to do about the pitching changes unless the days of Nolan Ryan pitching 20+ complete games a year comes back.
 
2014-08-11 04:34:36 PM  

IAmRight: Wow, "slightly expand your strike zone" is some next-level sh*t man. How do they keep that in their head? And you say the runner has to probably be ready to go on the swing with an 0-2 count? HOLY SH*T HOW DO THEY KEEP IT ALL STRAIGHT IT MUST REQUIRE AN INSANE AMOUNT OF CONCENTRATION TO ASSIMILATE FACTS AT A BLISTERING RATE OF ONE PER 30 SECONDS!


It's not that simple. For the pitcher, he knows he is up in the count at 0-2 so he can now throw some junk and try to get the batter to hit into a double play instead of pound the strike zone, but he doesn't have to. The batter knows this but he can't be sure, so now he isn't just thinking strike anymore. The infield shifts to set up a double play because they know the pitcher is likely to throw junk and any contact will be weak, and the runner has to run at delivery rather than contact to try and beat the double play. This means a bigger lead, introducing a possible pick off or pitch out to try and catch the runner at 2nd. To me that is a lot of changes in strategy because none of that is happening, at least not intentionally, on a 2-0 count.
 
2014-08-11 04:37:04 PM  
Throw in the runners and batter taking signals from base coaches, and 7-10 seconds to gather yourself and figure out what you are going to do based on what you are seeing is a impressively small amount of time.
 
2014-08-11 05:02:20 PM  

Tax Boy: Home runs get 6 points

Batted balls that hit the wall get 4 points

Two batters on the field at the same time. Why not?

Eliminate 2 bases

Replace the strike zone with three wood stakes

Flatter bats for easier hits

Only 2 innings


...but those changes only make the game longer!
 
2014-08-11 05:54:35 PM  

durty_nacho: It's not that simple. For the pitcher, he knows he is up in the count at 0-2 so he can now throw some junk and try to get the batter to hit into a double play instead of pound the strike zone, but he doesn't have to. The batter knows this but he can't be sure, so now he isn't just thinking strike anymore. The infield shifts to set up a double play because they know the pitcher is likely to throw junk and any contact will be weak, and the runner has to run at delivery rather than contact to try and beat the double play.


Those are all simple. A football play must blow your f*cking mind.
 
2014-08-11 06:29:19 PM  

nmrsnr: NeoCortex42: nmrsnr: Automate the strike zone.

Umpires make calls to lengthen each at-bat. Just by automating the strike zone I wouldn't be surprised if you shortened the games by 10-15 minutes on average.

I think the bigger thing would simply be to start enforcing the rules on time between pitches.  If they started calling balks on any pitcher who takes forever and a day to throw the ball, the game would probably speed up quite a bit.  Same thing with calling time for batters.  They don't need half a minute between every single pitch to adjust every piece of clothing they're wearing.

True, but 1) I really, really want an automated strike zone because having a pitch down the middle called a ball because the pitcher wanted it outside, or a ball 4 inches off the plate a strike because the catcher "framed it well" or the pitcher is "known for control" is unbelievably dumb, and 2) it wouldn't require the players to change anything they are doing, just the umpires, who, to my mind, are incidental to the sport.


The umpires' percentage of getting the calls wrong is just as much part of the game as the batter misinterpreting the pitch and is struck out looking.  If a batter doesn't swing on full count, it's because he is expecting a ball.  If he thinks it will be close, the ball will be sent foul.  Umpires aren't given that many opportunities to mess up, so letting the human umpire make the much faster call is better time wise than waiting to see what the machine decides.  A machine that could still be hacked to stretch out the at-bat.  Making the pitchers stop fooling around all day will make me happy.
 
2014-08-11 08:13:41 PM  

IAmRight: Those are all simple. A football play must blow your f*cking mind.


It does, and there is no harder athletic job in my opinion that a NFL quarterback, or a NFL OC and DC. That is why they get 40 seconds in between plays, plus three timeouts per half. Everyone else on a football team only has to worry about one job within one play at a time. They don't have to see big picture. The quarterback, OC and DC get reserved time to figure out their approach, every single play. So I say let the batter have his damn 10 seconds.
 
2014-08-11 08:44:46 PM  

durty_nacho: That is why they get 40 seconds in between plays, plus three timeouts per half. Everyone else on a football team only has to worry about one job within one play at a time.


How about NBA and NHL players, which can do all that without timeouts?

/and no, most other positions have more than one thing to worry about within a play
 
2014-08-11 11:10:06 PM  
Golf is too slow! Make them run between holes! Put them on the clock! When they hold up those blades of grass and check the wind? It's nonsense! Everybody knows it's nonsense! They know it's nonsense! They do it for camera time!

If they take too long, Have Terry Tate run out of the bushes and cold-cock their asses.

Here's an idea. Make one out of every four balls out of C4. "I think he's using a nine iron. BLAM! Oooh that had to hurt."

Then I'd watch.
 
2014-08-12 07:07:27 AM  
 
2014-08-12 07:23:05 AM  

Solid Muldoon: Golf is too slow! Make them run between holes! Put them on the clock! When they hold up those blades of grass and check the wind? It's nonsense! Everybody knows it's nonsense! They know it's nonsense! They do it for camera time!

If they take too long, Have Terry Tate run out of the bushes and cold-cock their asses.

Here's an idea. Make one out of every four balls out of C4. "I think he's using a nine iron. BLAM! Oooh that had to hurt."

Then I'd watch.


Golf doesn't pretend it isn't slow.
 
2014-08-12 12:06:56 PM  

NeoCortex42: I think the bigger thing would simply be to start enforcing the rules on time between pitches.  If they started calling balks on any pitcher who takes forever and a day to throw the ball, the game would probably speed up quite a bit.  Same thing with calling time for batters.  They don't need half a minute between every single pitch to adjust every piece of clothing they're wearing.


Agreed.

The pitcher keeps checking the runner. The batter keeps calling time and stepping out. Both are trying to psyche each other out. For the batters, telling them they have to stay in the box and be ready to go unless their ass was in the dirt on the previous play would help. No need to adjust your gloves, princess, get your ass in there and get to work. For the pitchers, give them a nice short time span between receiving the ball and doing something with it... no more than 10 seconds, preferably less. Maybe even a limit on throwing over to a base to check the runner... you've checked the runner 2x this batter, that's it. Now you have to go to the plate until somebody else comes up. I know that's probably over draconian, but it's time for these guys to grow a pair and actually try to pitch instead of delaying the inevitable.
 
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