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2014-08-11 02:35:36 AM  
Fox News derping about this visit in 3...2...1.
 
2014-08-11 03:58:20 AM  
Scary?

To me, having the worlds largest armed forces taking part in this sort of thing is a lot less scary than having them keep to themselves.
 
2014-08-11 06:58:34 AM  
RIMPAC

Oh, I thought RIMPAC was a males only Republican fundraising circle.
 
2014-08-11 07:12:34 AM  

mr_a: Scary?

To me, having the worlds largest armed forces taking part in this sort of thing is a lot less scary than having them keep to themselves.


Actually, it is a bit scary.

Traditionally the People's Liberation Army Navy* was a "brown water navy", meaning they were purely defensive and stuck to the waters in and around the PRC itself.  You couldn't even really call them much of a regional player on the sea.

Slowly but surely, they are working towards having a credible "blue water navy", one that is capable of extended operations hundreds or thousands of miles away from home.  And that is what is scary about it.  It's not so much an immediate threat, as they really aren't there yet and have a way to go, as it is a future one.


*Yes, that's what they call it.
 
2014-08-11 07:13:16 AM  

vernonFL: RIMPAC

Oh, I thought RIMPAC was a males only Republican fundraising circle.


Actually, it's a kaiju film.
 
2014-08-11 07:42:47 AM  
THANKS OBAMA!
 
2014-08-11 07:44:02 AM  
Slow your roll Bill O Reillymitter and RTFA.
 
2014-08-11 07:46:25 AM  

dittybopper: mr_a: Scary?

To me, having the worlds largest armed forces taking part in this sort of thing is a lot less scary than having them keep to themselves.

Actually, it is a bit scary.

Traditionally the People's Liberation Army Navy* was a "brown water navy", meaning they were purely defensive and stuck to the waters in and around the PRC itself.  You couldn't even really call them much of a regional player on the sea.

Slowly but surely, they are working towards having a credible "blue water navy", one that is capable of extended operations hundreds or thousands of miles away from home.  And that is what is scary about it.  It's not so much an immediate threat, as they really aren't there yet and have a way to go, as it is a future one.


*Yes, that's what they call it.


It's still not scary.
 
2014-08-11 07:47:37 AM  
A ship called Haikou
Just docked in San Diego.
Everyone panic!
 
2014-08-11 07:47:47 AM  
"Visitors were invited to cross the brow and tour the destroyer Haikou."

Is cross the brow like the Chinese dirty Sanchez? Because they should have put into San Fransisco if that's what they're into.
 
2014-08-11 07:49:15 AM  
cdn5.movieclips.com
 
2014-08-11 07:51:40 AM  
China, like every other wealthy nation, knows that having an actual war is very, very bad for the economy. No nation fights real wars anymore.
 
2014-08-11 07:53:00 AM  
I don't mind the docking, but jumping off the ship, swimming around it, then climbing back on board really confused me.
 
2014-08-11 07:53:20 AM  

mr_a: Scary?

To me, having the worlds largest armed forces taking part in this sort of thing is a lot less scary than having them keep to themselves.


this. seriously. they mean well.
 
2014-08-11 07:54:58 AM  
Farkers, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about war? He said war was too important to be left to the generals. When he said that, 100 years ago, he might have been right. But today, war is too important to be left to politicians. They have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for strategic thought. I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
 
2014-08-11 07:56:37 AM  
images3.static-bluray.com

/Too soon?
 
2014-08-11 08:01:21 AM  

mr_a: Scary?

To me, having the worlds largest armed forces taking part in this sort of thing is a lot less scary than having them keep to themselves.


img.fark.net
/not obscure
 
2014-08-11 08:05:03 AM  
Destroyer haikou
Docks on california beach
Hide small animals
 
2014-08-11 08:06:03 AM  
Nothing the Chinese navy has is as scary as the Engrish they used on that sign.
 
2014-08-11 08:06:33 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: dittybopper: mr_a: Scary?

To me, having the worlds largest armed forces taking part in this sort of thing is a lot less scary than having them keep to themselves.

Actually, it is a bit scary.

Traditionally the People's Liberation Army Navy* was a "brown water navy", meaning they were purely defensive and stuck to the waters in and around the PRC itself.  You couldn't even really call them much of a regional player on the sea.

Slowly but surely, they are working towards having a credible "blue water navy", one that is capable of extended operations hundreds or thousands of miles away from home.  And that is what is scary about it.  It's not so much an immediate threat, as they really aren't there yet and have a way to go, as it is a future one.


*Yes, that's what they call it.

It's still not scary.


Until the most populous nation on Earth decides to flex its muscle.  Historically, that meant that countries bordering the PRC were in trouble, like Korea, Vietnam, and occasionally Russia.

Once they get the means to effectively project power, then it stops being a regional issue.

And don't forget that while they aren't communists anymore economically, they are still an authoritarian regime that doesn't respect human rights.
 
2014-08-11 08:06:40 AM  
I see someone beat me to the haikou...I mean.  Haiku.
 
2014-08-11 08:09:10 AM  
Where can i go to
Adopt and eat small animals
Destroyer haikou
 
2014-08-11 08:10:12 AM  
So,they sent their junk?
 
2014-08-11 08:11:11 AM  

dittybopper: Peter von Nostrand: dittybopper: mr_a: Scary?

To me, having the worlds largest armed forces taking part in this sort of thing is a lot less scary than having them keep to themselves.

Actually, it is a bit scary.

Traditionally the People's Liberation Army Navy* was a "brown water navy", meaning they were purely defensive and stuck to the waters in and around the PRC itself.  You couldn't even really call them much of a regional player on the sea.

Slowly but surely, they are working towards having a credible "blue water navy", one that is capable of extended operations hundreds or thousands of miles away from home.  And that is what is scary about it.  It's not so much an immediate threat, as they really aren't there yet and have a way to go, as it is a future one.


*Yes, that's what they call it.

It's still not scary.

Until the most populous nation on Earth decides to flex its muscle.  Historically, that meant that countries bordering the PRC were in trouble, like Korea, Vietnam, and occasionally Russia.

Once they get the means to effectively project power, then it stops being a regional issue.

And don't forget that while they aren't communists anymore economically, they are still an authoritarian regime that doesn't respect human rights.


Torture.  It's only bad when other people do it.
 
2014-08-11 08:11:48 AM  

T-Servo: mr_a: Scary?

To me, having the worlds largest armed forces taking part in this sort of thing is a lot less scary than having them keep to themselves.

[img.fark.net image 728x409]
/not obscure


Certainly not.
 
2014-08-11 08:12:10 AM  

skinink: Farkers, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about war? He said war was too important to be left to the generals. When he said that, 100 years ago, he might have been right. But today, war is too important to be left to politicians. They have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for strategic thought. I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.


Not sure if serious. You had me at Clemencau but then I was like WTF this dude is nuts....
 
2014-08-11 08:13:15 AM  

Forbidden Doughnut: Fox News derping about this visit in 3...2...1.


Bad photoshop of Obama bowing in surrender in ... 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...
 
2014-08-11 08:14:44 AM  
Quick! Hide the cokes!


/got nothing, need more coffee.
 
2014-08-11 08:14:45 AM  
The Russian and the Chinese governments hate each other.  They have had border conflicts, as recently as the 1970s, that were basically small little wars, involving massed infantry assaults, artillery bombardments, and hundreds of casualties.  They spend a lot of manpower, money, and time staring across the border at each other, waiting for the other one to try and move the flag.  America has traditionally played nice with the Chinese military whenever they really wanted to piss off the Russians.
 
2014-08-11 08:15:15 AM  

advex101: Torture.  It's only bad when other people do it.


It's bad when we do it too.

The difference between the US and the PRC?  We can talk about it openly, both in person and online, without risking getting thrown in the Laogai.
 
2014-08-11 08:15:16 AM  
Oh great.  No wonder my coke tastes funny now.
 
2014-08-11 08:15:51 AM  

berylman: skinink: Farkers, do you recall what Clemenceau once said about war? He said war was too important to be left to the generals. When he said that, 100 years ago, he might have been right. But today, war is too important to be left to politicians. They have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for strategic thought. I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

Not sure if serious. You had me at Clemencau but then I was like WTF this dude is nuts....


It's from Dr. Strangelove.
 
2014-08-11 08:15:57 AM  

RadiomanATL: Quick! Hide the cokes!


/got nothing, need more coffee.


Gah!  I'm slow today.
 
2014-08-11 08:16:26 AM  

Mad Scientist: Oh great.  No wonder my coke tastes funny now.


i know, right?
 
2014-08-11 08:19:27 AM  

dittybopper: Peter von Nostrand: dittybopper: mr_a: Scary?

To me, having the worlds largest armed forces taking part in this sort of thing is a lot less scary than having them keep to themselves.

Actually, it is a bit scary.

Traditionally the People's Liberation Army Navy* was a "brown water navy", meaning they were purely defensive and stuck to the waters in and around the PRC itself.  You couldn't even really call them much of a regional player on the sea.

Slowly but surely, they are working towards having a credible "blue water navy", one that is capable of extended operations hundreds or thousands of miles away from home.  And that is what is scary about it.  It's not so much an immediate threat, as they really aren't there yet and have a way to go, as it is a future one.


*Yes, that's what they call it.

It's still not scary.

Until the most populous nation on Earth decides to flex its muscle.  Historically, that meant that countries bordering the PRC were in trouble, like Korea, Vietnam, and occasionally Russia.

Once they get the means to effectively project power, then it stops being a regional issue.

And don't forget that while they aren't communists anymore economically, they are still an authoritarian regime that doesn't respect human rights.


China isn't really a threat right now. Here's why

images.forbes.com

As for human rights China will probably do what they did with the environment, put off making any progress until they can't any longer and then progress ten times faster than anybody in the west thought they could. China is growing out of the pit the Mao dug for them and so far they have done a pretty decent job of it.  Are they perfect? no.  Are they improving? Yes.
 
2014-08-11 08:20:55 AM  

dittybopper: It's from Dr. Strangelove.


Ah k, feel much better now. It had me worried that one person could expound such madness so quickly.
 
2014-08-11 08:25:35 AM  
Was just reading some wiki articles on the chinese destroyer; and some of its equipment. LOL It appears someone is a funny man "State of the art" equipment, unlike "american or russian junk". Whoever wrote those articles must be the propaganda minister for best korea.
 
2014-08-11 08:28:42 AM  

dittybopper: Actually, it is a bit scary.



Forget the boats.  The submarines still deliver the most firepower, worldwide.
 
2014-08-11 08:31:43 AM  
China's in cahoots with the local coolies!  Time to purge everyone that's a 1/4th or more Asian.  Indians and Polynesians also count, because Mongols are thick as thieves.
 
2014-08-11 08:32:37 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: China, like every other wealthy nation, knows that having an actual war is very, very bad for the economy. No nation fights real wars anymore.


That's what William Angell said in 1909.
 
2014-08-11 08:32:38 AM  

dittybopper: mr_a: Scary?

To me, having the worlds largest armed forces taking part in this sort of thing is a lot less scary than having them keep to themselves.

Actually, it is a bit scary.

Traditionally the People's Liberation Army Navy* was a "brown water navy", meaning they were purely defensive and stuck to the waters in and around the PRC itself.  You couldn't even really call them much of a regional player on the sea.

Slowly but surely, they are working towards having a credible "blue water navy", one that is capable of extended operations hundreds or thousands of miles away from home.  And that is what is scary about it.  It's not so much an immediate threat, as they really aren't there yet and have a way to go, as it is a future one.


*Yes, that's what they call it.


They won't. The two military budgets aren't even comparable. The US can stop spending money on their navy for the next several decades and will still blow whatever the Chinese can field out of the water after that time. They also lack the numerous military bases and allies all over the globe like the US, which hurts their force projection.

And that is what is scary about it.

It's always entertaining reading from Americans how scary some foreign military is when it spends far less money, have not invaded another country in like half a century and have no plans to do. Meanwhile the US averages a major war every decade and drop bombs on countries like you would hand out candy on Halloween. The rest of the world is scared of the US and their military is to protect themselves from the US than anything else. Stop pretending it's the other way around.
 
2014-08-11 08:32:48 AM  

Hoarseman: "Visitors were invited to cross the brow and tour the destroyer Haikou."

Is cross the brow like the Chinese dirty Sanchez? Because they should have put into San Fransisco if that's what they're into.


Really the invitation for brow crossing was just for the Catholics who might feel the need to invoke protection at the thought that everyone was having, "Holy shiat!  Chinese warships parked next to our Aegis guided missile destroyers at San Diego Naval Base!?"
 
2014-08-11 08:34:47 AM  

mr_a: Scary?

To me, having the worlds largest armed forces taking part in this sort of thing is a lot less scary than having them keep to themselves.


With the strict rules set on the exercise I'm sure the US has a chance of winning. Or they'll just cry foul.

I remember a story about a shared exercise in which the US army cried foul because the "enemy" was hiding 200 meters in front of the location they were *supposed* to be and the US soldiers got their asses whooped. The idiots simply walked around like it was a stroll in the park without considering that battle situations tend to change and that informations from briefings aren't absolute in the real world.

Foul was cried and the scenario restarted. With the "enemy" exactly where they were supposed to be and doing exactly what they were supposed to do the US won.
 
2014-08-11 08:39:13 AM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: The Russian and the Chinese governments hate each other.  They have had border conflicts, as recently as the 1970s, that were basically small little wars, involving massed infantry assaults, artillery bombardments, and hundreds of casualties.  They spend a lot of manpower, money, and time staring across the border at each other, waiting for the other one to try and move the flag.  America has traditionally played nice with the Chinese military whenever they really wanted to piss off the Russians.


Interesting:
The last RIMPAC Russia participated.  This year they weren't invited for some reason and, instead, the Chinese took their spot at the table.

Nothing like letting ganging up on Russia when they're being big meanies.
 
2014-08-11 08:39:59 AM  

Hoarseman: "Visitors were invited to cross the brow and tour the destroyer Haikou."

Is cross the brow like the Chinese dirty Sanchez? Because they should have put into San Fransisco if that's what they're into.


Oh, and just in case you thought "brow" was some sort of typo, think "gangplank".
 
2014-08-11 08:40:21 AM  

Fallout Boy: The rest of the world is scared of the US and their military is to protect themselves from the US than anything else. Stop pretending it's the other way around.


Well. There is is.

The stupidest thing I'll read all day.
 
2014-08-11 08:40:28 AM  

Fallout Boy: The rest of the world is scared of the US and their military is to protect themselves from the US than anything else. Stop pretending it's the other way around.


Well. There it is.

The stupidest thing I'll read all day.
 
2014-08-11 08:43:04 AM  
Wonder if there will be a warning sign at the beach next to the gate.....
I'll be there later today and will check it out.

for those that don't get the joke, it is an off leash dog beach.
 
2014-08-11 08:43:12 AM  

hardinparamedic: Fallout Boy: The rest of the world is scared of the US and their military is to protect themselves from the US than anything else. Stop pretending it's the other way around.

Well. There it is.

The stupidest thing I'll read all day.


Twice?
 
2014-08-11 08:46:38 AM  
Buddy of mine just returned from RIMPAC and said the O's got a little nervous when they realized the Russians were anchored nearby, observing. One RA wanted to board them, and could have, were they not in International waters. That would've gone gloriously well.
 
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