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(Hardball Talk)   So, how did Twins pitcher Trevor May's major league debut go? Don't ask   (hardballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line 45
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2014-08-10 11:19:14 PM
www.sportingcharts.com
Never found it.
 
2014-08-11 12:14:30 AM
Ouch

/hope you'll like New Britain, kid
 
2014-08-11 03:01:29 AM
Rookie has bad first outing. More at 11.

/how is this a thing?
 
2014-08-11 03:38:40 AM

inclemency: Rookie has bad first outing. More at 11.

/how is this a thing?


It's August in sports.
 
2014-08-11 04:54:30 AM

Principal Clarinet: [www.sportingcharts.com image 420x286]
Never found it.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-08-11 07:25:24 AM
I'm honestly surprised he only gave up four runs after all that.  It could have been much much worse.
 
2014-08-11 07:28:09 AM
Meat needs to work on his cliches.
 
2014-08-11 07:39:26 AM
Webster for the Red Sox had a similar outing against the Yankees a week or so ago. 2.2 innings, 6 walks, 4 runs all earned.
 
2014-08-11 07:47:24 AM
Still better than the tigers bullpen.
 
2014-08-11 08:04:00 AM
Dear god the twins suck
 
2014-08-11 08:21:35 AM
But hey look Twins fans, everything will be better in a year or two, just look at all these awesome young prospects we'll be bringing up. Why, you'll get a World Series, and the Pohlads won't have to spend a dime; everyone wins! Did you know? Target Field should be updated so we can compete with those big-market teams.
 
2014-08-11 08:29:35 AM
Beats getting beaned in your first big league game. Ask Adam Greenberg.
 
2014-08-11 09:05:48 AM

Oakenshield: But hey look Twins Cubs fans, everything will be better in a year or two, just look at all these awesome young prospects we'll be bringing up. Why, you'll get a World Series, and the Pohlads Ricketts won't have to spend a dime; everyone wins! Did you know? Target Wrigley Field should be updated so we can compete with those big-market teams.


Changed for another team in a similar situation.

/But seriously, Alcantra and Baez look legit right now.
//Of course, they have another guy who looked legit his rookie year in Chris Coghlan...
 
2014-08-11 09:45:12 AM

Oakenshield: But hey look Twins fans, everything will be better in a year or two, just look at all these awesome young prospects we'll be bringing up. Why, you'll get a World Series, and the Pohlads won't have to spend a dime; everyone wins! Did you know? Target Field should be updated so we can compete with those big-market teams.


At least Jim isn't looking to take a smaller payout for contracting than from selling the team.
 
2014-08-11 10:12:25 AM
Maybe he should change his name to Trevor Mays Hayes.

/juuust a bit outside
 
2014-08-11 10:45:36 AM
And Neal Huntington reaches for his phone...
 
2014-08-11 10:49:21 AM
Santana and Dozier have been bright spots this year.

/got nothing
 
2014-08-11 11:00:18 AM

inclemency: Rookie has bad first outing. More at 11.

/how is this a thing?


Go Fast Turn Left: I'm honestly surprised he only gave up four runs after all that.  It could have been much much worse.


^these
 
2014-08-11 11:28:33 AM

MNguy: Santana and Dozier have been bright spots this year.

/got nothing


This whole year was rendered pointless as soon as Sano went down. With no hope of seeing him or Buxton up this year, why even pay attention.
 
2014-08-11 11:31:27 AM
He got to play baseball in the big leagues. I'd say he had a pretty damn good day.

cdn.bleacherreport.net

Dr. Archibald "Moonlight" Graham: Well, you know I... I never got to bat in the major leagues. I would have liked to have had that chance. Just once. To stare down a big league pitcher. To stare him down, and just as he goes into his windup, wink. Make him think you know something he doesn't. That's what I wish for. Chance to squint at a sky so blue that it hurts your eyes just to look at it. To feel the tingling in your arm as you connect with the ball. To run the bases - stretch a double into a triple, and flop face-first into third, wrap your arms around the bag. That's my wish, Ray Kinsella. That's my wish. And is there enough magic out there in the moonlight to make this dream come true?
 
2014-08-11 11:49:16 AM
Tell you what... the Phillies will take back Trevor May if the Twins take back Ben Revere. Deal?
 
2014-08-11 12:10:24 PM
I remember watching Matt Garza's rookie debut for the Twins 8 years ago.  He got lit up like a pinball machine and turned out just fine.  Eventually.  Tell me how this kid is pitching after a few more games.
 
2014-08-11 12:14:32 PM
Ohhh Wild Thing!
You miss everything!
 
2014-08-11 12:23:10 PM

Joe_diGriz: Tell you what... the Phillies will take back Trevor May if the Twins take back Ben Revere. Deal?


.308 average and .987 fielding percentage....

/RBI's way off though
 
2014-08-11 12:29:32 PM
.. ball 8! ... ball 12!

One of the most painful sports spectacles I ever witnessed was Mark Wohlers in a 'rehab' tour in AAA Richmond.  The guy went from the Braves closer ace to a man who should have been legally barred from throwing objects before he killed someone.  Hit batters, passed balls, 4 pitch walks, bases loaded walks... all at 98+ mph.  I felt sorry for him, his catcher, and every batter that had to stand in front of it.  What a meltdown.

Mays... tough luck, kid.  Try wearing panties on the mound next time.
 
2014-08-11 12:35:14 PM

usttsdw: Still better than the tigers bullpen.


honey, no
 
2014-08-11 12:48:03 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: He got to play baseball in the big leagues. I'd say he had a pretty damn good day.

[cdn.bleacherreport.net image 350x198]

Dr. Archibald "Moonlight" Graham: Well, you know I... I never got to bat in the major leagues. I would have liked to have had that chance. Just once. To stare down a big league pitcher. To stare him down, and just as he goes into his windup, wink. Make him think you know something he doesn't. That's what I wish for. Chance to squint at a sky so blue that it hurts your eyes just to look at it. To feel the tingling in your arm as you connect with the ball. To run the bases - stretch a double into a triple, and flop face-first into third, wrap your arms around the bag. That's my wish, Ray Kinsella. That's my wish. And is there enough magic out there in the moonlight to make this dream come true?


One of the best one scene wonders ever
 
2014-08-11 12:56:22 PM

IlGreven: Oakenshield: But hey look Twins Cubs fans, everything will be better in a year or two, just look at all these awesome young prospects we'll be bringing up. Why, you'll get a World Series, and the Pohlads Ricketts won't have to spend a dime; everyone wins! Did you know? Target Wrigley Field should be updated so we can compete with those big-market teams.

Changed for another team in a similar situation.

/But seriously, Alcantra and Baez look legit right now.
//Of course, they have another guy who looked legit his rookie year in Chris Coghlan...


I think that was the joke.
 
2014-08-11 01:02:07 PM

soupafi: Dear god the twins suck


Red Sox have the same record, for the same reason.

/Red Sox fan
//can't win it all every year
 
2014-08-11 01:14:32 PM

Krustofsky: soupafi: Dear god the twins suck

Red Sox have the same record, for the same reason.

/Red Sox fan
//can't win it all every year


I live in Minnesota, and everyone here loves Mauer. But they can't see that he's terriable. Sure he won 3 batting titles, but he hasn't done shiat since. And he's always "hurt"
 
2014-08-11 01:33:24 PM

johnny_vegas: .308 average and .987 fielding percentage....

/RBI's way off though


And here's where traditional numbers suck horribly without context. His average is .308... and his OBP is .325. Which means that he rarely walks (a grand total of 10, which is BY FAR the lowest total of any full-time player on the Phillies with more than a handful of PAs). And he has no power whatsoever (SLG .366) - he has a total of 9 doubles. This despite being fast - he has a hard time stretching a single into a double. (This might also be due to the fact that most of his hits are just-past-the-infield singles.) And he can steal bases, but he's also a bad baserunner otherwise, so it kinda evens out.

He also takes bad routes to balls in the outfield, and frequently misplays a bunch of them. (Although with few "real" errors, given that outfielders pretty much need to have the ball clank off their glove for an error.) And when he does play it right, it doesn't matter, because he has perhaps the weakest arm in the majors; runners on second have no fear whatsoever that they'll be thrown out at home (or even possibly at 3B) on a ball hit past shallow center.
 
2014-08-11 02:01:05 PM
Sounds like he pitched about as well as Lincecum and Buehrle yesterday.  That's some pretty solid company.
 
2014-08-11 02:09:06 PM

Joe_diGriz: johnny_vegas: .308 average and .987 fielding percentage....

/RBI's way off though

And here's where traditional numbers suck horribly without context. His average is .308... and his OBP is .325. Which means that he rarely walks (a grand total of 10, which is BY FAR the lowest total of any full-time player on the Phillies with more than a handful of PAs). And he has no power whatsoever (SLG .366) - he has a total of 9 doubles. This despite being fast - he has a hard time stretching a single into a double. (This might also be due to the fact that most of his hits are just-past-the-infield singles.) And he can steal bases, but he's also a bad baserunner otherwise, so it kinda evens out.

He also takes bad routes to balls in the outfield, and frequently misplays a bunch of them. (Although with few "real" errors, given that outfielders pretty much need to have the ball clank off their glove for an error.) And when he does play it right, it doesn't matter, because he has perhaps the weakest arm in the majors; runners on second have no fear whatsoever that they'll be thrown out at home (or even possibly at 3B) on a ball hit past shallow center.


the issue was with the comparison not the stats
 
2014-08-11 02:15:29 PM

johnny_vegas: Joe_diGriz: johnny_vegas: .308 average and .987 fielding percentage....

/RBI's way off though

And here's where traditional numbers suck horribly without context. His average is .308... and his OBP is .325. Which means that he rarely walks (a grand total of 10, which is BY FAR the lowest total of any full-time player on the Phillies with more than a handful of PAs). And he has no power whatsoever (SLG .366) - he has a total of 9 doubles. This despite being fast - he has a hard time stretching a single into a double. (This might also be due to the fact that most of his hits are just-past-the-infield singles.) And he can steal bases, but he's also a bad baserunner otherwise, so it kinda evens out.

He also takes bad routes to balls in the outfield, and frequently misplays a bunch of them. (Although with few "real" errors, given that outfielders pretty much need to have the ball clank off their glove for an error.) And when he does play it right, it doesn't matter, because he has perhaps the weakest arm in the majors; runners on second have no fear whatsoever that they'll be thrown out at home (or even possibly at 3B) on a ball hit past shallow center.

the issue was with the comparison not the stats


ok my post didn't make sense
 
2014-08-11 02:35:18 PM

inclemency: Rookie has bad first outing. More at 11.

/how is this a thing?


Let's go live to Rick Ankiel for a reaction:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KDZX525CSvw
 
2014-08-11 02:36:11 PM
In 2014 there are still people who cite batting average, fielding percentage and RBIs to show a player's value?
 
2014-08-11 03:31:39 PM

Super Chronic: In 2014 there are still people who cite batting average, fielding percentage and RBIs to show a player's value?


relative to a pitcher who just allowed 4 runs and seven walks in two innings?  absolutely
 
2014-08-11 03:56:02 PM

dascott: .. ball 8! ... ball 12!

One of the most painful sports spectacles I ever witnessed was Mark Wohlers in a 'rehab' tour in AAA Richmond.  The guy went from the Braves closer ace to a man who should have been legally barred from throwing objects before he killed someone.  Hit batters, passed balls, 4 pitch walks, bases loaded walks... all at 98+ mph.  I felt sorry for him, his catcher, and every batter that had to stand in front of it.  What a meltdown.

Mays... tough luck, kid.  Try wearing panties on the mound next time.


In Ken Kaiser's book Planet of the Umps, he tells a story about calling guys out just so no one got killed by a young Nolan Ryan.

/Article unrelated
 
2014-08-11 03:57:42 PM

Super Chronic: In 2014 there are still people who cite batting average, fielding percentage and RBIs to show a player's value?


Nope. We rely solely on the WAR stat.
 
2014-08-11 03:59:45 PM

johnny_vegas: Super Chronic: In 2014 there are still people who cite batting average, fielding percentage and RBIs to show a player's value?

relative to a pitcher who just allowed 4 runs and seven walks in two innings?  absolutely


Imagine a world where there were better ways, then imagine a super highway of tubes that would bring those numbers right to your fingers, now open your eyes and realize you live in that world right now.
 
2014-08-11 04:45:21 PM

soupafi: Krustofsky: soupafi: Dear god the twins suck

Red Sox have the same record, for the same reason.

/Red Sox fan
//can't win it all every year

I live in Minnesota, and everyone here loves Mauer. But they can't see that he's terriable. Sure he won 3 batting titles, but he hasn't done shiat since. And he's always "hurt"


He's also untradeable. That might be the reason. Or that carrying a team isn't as easy in MLB as it is in the NFL.
 
2014-08-11 04:46:33 PM

roc6783: johnny_vegas: Super Chronic: In 2014 there are still people who cite batting average, fielding percentage and RBIs to show a player's value?

relative to a pitcher who just allowed 4 runs and seven walks in two innings?  absolutely

Imagine a world where there were better ways, then imagine a super highway of tubes that would bring those numbers right to your fingers, now open your eyes and realize you live in that world right now.


yes, yes i know Moneyball is your god
 
2014-08-11 05:03:51 PM

dascott: .. ball 8! ... ball 12!

One of the most painful sports spectacles I ever witnessed was Mark Wohlers in a 'rehab' tour in AAA Richmond.  The guy went from the Braves closer ace to a man who should have been legally barred from throwing objects before he killed someone.  Hit batters, passed balls, 4 pitch walks, bases loaded walks... all at 98+ mph.  I felt sorry for him, his catcher, and every batter that had to stand in front of it.  What a meltdown.

Mays... tough luck, kid.  Try wearing panties on the mound next time.


Oh yeah...Steve Dalkowski disease.
 
2014-08-11 05:10:57 PM

johnny_vegas: roc6783: johnny_vegas: Super Chronic: In 2014 there are still people who cite batting average, fielding percentage and RBIs to show a player's value?

relative to a pitcher who just allowed 4 runs and seven walks in two innings?  absolutely

Imagine a world where there were better ways, then imagine a super highway of tubes that would bring those numbers right to your fingers, now open your eyes and realize you live in that world right now.

yes, yes i know Moneyball is your god


Nope, just use OPS (or OBP and SLG if you want to compare 2 columns instead of 1) and it is better than BA to compare how well guys are doing at the plate.

Errors are pretty meaningless unless a player has a stupidly high number. I still don't know which metrics are really better than which for defense.
 
2014-08-11 05:24:17 PM

roc6783: johnny_vegas: roc6783: johnny_vegas: Super Chronic: In 2014 there are still people who cite batting average, fielding percentage and RBIs to show a player's value?

relative to a pitcher who just allowed 4 runs and seven walks in two innings?  absolutely

Imagine a world where there were better ways, then imagine a super highway of tubes that would bring those numbers right to your fingers, now open your eyes and realize you live in that world right now.

yes, yes i know Moneyball is your god

Nope, just use OPS (or OBP and SLG if you want to compare 2 columns instead of 1) and it is better than BA to compare how well guys are doing at the plate.

Errors are pretty meaningless unless a player has a stupidly high number. I still don't know which metrics are really better than which for defense.


Forgot RBI, try OPS with runners in scoring position. For comparison, Jonathan Lucroy - .902, Ben Revere - .668, Carlos Gomez for a positional comparison - .846
 
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