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2014-08-10 05:06:02 PM  
and it's over
 
2014-08-10 06:02:04 PM  
or until Hamas violates it. lol
 
2014-08-10 06:02:39 PM  
and it will work until someone sets off fireworks in celebration of the cease-fire...
 
2014-08-10 06:03:05 PM  
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2014-08-10 06:04:13 PM  
72 hours should be enough time for both sides to prepare for the next round.
 
2014-08-10 06:07:12 PM  
The only time Hamas agrees to a cease fire is when they need time to move more rockets up to the border.  Once that is done,it's business as usual, which for those terrorist bastards is "kill Jews"
 
Zel
2014-08-10 06:07:40 PM  
They're just reloading.

Disgracefully the USA is still sending weapons.
 
2014-08-10 06:09:43 PM  

Zel: They're just reloading.

Disgracefully the USA is still sending weapons.


Give Israel all they need and more.

They have a right to defend themselves.
 
2014-08-10 06:12:21 PM  

Truther: Zel: They're just reloading.

Disgracefully the USA is still sending weapons.

Give Israel all they need and more.

They have a right to defend themselves.


Especially when they're evicting Palestinians out of their homes so they can build more Settlements.

Both sides are assholes in this conflict.
 
2014-08-10 06:15:12 PM  
Sounds to me like Hamas wanted to take a "standing eight".
 
2014-08-10 06:16:14 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Truther: Zel: They're just reloading.

Disgracefully the USA is still sending weapons.

Give Israel all they need and more.

They have a right to defend themselves.

Especially when they're evicting Palestinians out of their homes so they can build more Settlements.

Both sides are assholes in this conflict.


Israel gave them nearly the entire gaza in a peace agreement.  To show their appreciation, the Palestinians fired more rockets at civilians.  Fark 'em.
 
2014-08-10 06:16:56 PM  
Finally, peace in the Middle East.
 
2014-08-10 06:17:32 PM  
Ceasefire gets agreed to. Israel abides. Hama's uses time to reload. Hama's breaks cease fire. Rinse. Repeat.
 
2014-08-10 06:17:58 PM  

OgreMagi: Mrtraveler01: Truther: Zel: They're just reloading.

Disgracefully the USA is still sending weapons.

Give Israel all they need and more.

They have a right to defend themselves.

Especially when they're evicting Palestinians out of their homes so they can build more Settlements.

Both sides are assholes in this conflict.

Israel gave them nearly the entire gaza in a peace agreement.  To show their appreciation, the Palestinians fired more rockets at civilians.  Fark 'em.


Israel still controlled the borders and what goods came in and out of Gaza. Not technically free but fair enough.

Even though the settlements are in the West Bank, Israel's handling of them has made it difficult for me to feel sorry for them.

I really do think they're both equally bad.
 
2014-08-10 06:17:59 PM  

Zel: They're just reloading.

Disgracefully the USA is still sending weapons.


That's true.
There is no where else in the universe that would sell weapons to the Jews!!!

/rolls eyes

Seriously, either a country can defend itself, or it cant.
The idea that you think that they cant, is ... childish at best.

Either it is a WAY and Israel can defend itself.
Or it is internal gang warfare and Israel can kill them.
Either way it is completely "legal", as much as there is little international law.
And the laws that exist are rarely enforced.
 
2014-08-10 06:22:30 PM  

Mrtraveler01: OgreMagi: Mrtraveler01: Truther: Zel: They're just reloading.

Disgracefully the USA is still sending weapons.

Give Israel all they need and more.

They have a right to defend themselves.

Especially when they're evicting Palestinians out of their homes so they can build more Settlements.

Both sides are assholes in this conflict.

Israel gave them nearly the entire gaza in a peace agreement.  To show their appreciation, the Palestinians fired more rockets at civilians.  Fark 'em.

Israel still controlled the borders and what goods came in and out of Gaza. Not technically free but fair enough.

Even though the settlements are in the West Bank, Israel's handling of them has made it difficult for me to feel sorry for them.

I really do think they're both equally bad.


It's not the only border.  You seem to forget that the other countries bordering the Palestinians closed their borders because they also "got tired of their shiat".

Israel has a damn good reason to inspect everything passing through their border.  Hamas loves their rockets, and their demand for open borders is only to make it easier to get more rockets so they can try to kill more Jews.  Fortunately, Hamas seriously sucks at war and Israel is damn good at it.
 
2014-08-10 06:26:00 PM  

meintx2001: or until Hamas violates it. lol


Yeah lol. That's what Fox news said, so it's the truth.

Lol.
 
2014-08-10 06:27:35 PM  
Turn Gaza into a sea of glass. Then work outwards ..
 
2014-08-10 06:27:58 PM  
Oh, it's this thread again.
 
2014-08-10 06:29:59 PM  

OgreMagi: It's not the only border.  You seem to forget that the other countries bordering the Palestinians closed their borders because they also "got tired of their shiat".


The popular explanation there is that Israel actually controls those countries.
 
2014-08-10 06:31:25 PM  
Hamas celebrates 72 hr anniversary of cease fire, Israel smashes celebrations.
 
2014-08-10 06:36:22 PM  
Hamas places their rocket facilities and their other infrastructure next to and inside schools, hospitals, and civilian centers. Hamas' strategy is to get Palestinians killed, and then complain about it.

No one would tolerate rockets being fired into their cities. Hamas are terrorists. Fark Hamas.
 
2014-08-10 06:39:36 PM  
Until Israel claims rockets were fired, obviously.
 
2014-08-10 06:46:39 PM  
They're Muslim and their name starts with 'ham'.
Am I the only one who's suspicious about this? It's never mentioned in the MSM.
 
2014-08-10 06:50:34 PM  

Porous Horace: They're Muslim and their name starts with 'ham'.
Am I the only one who's suspicious about this? It's never mentioned in the MSM.


Obviously Obama secret-musliming the white house.
 
2014-08-10 06:53:44 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: Hamas places their rocket facilities and their other infrastructure next to and inside schools, hospitals, and civilian centers. Hamas' strategy is to get Palestinians killed, and then complain about it.

No one would tolerate rockets being fired into their cities. Hamas are terrorists. Fark Hamas.


strangely enough, you would ASSUME that the gazans would NOT WANT rockets in their houses and mosques and basements.

STRANGE that they dont stop Hamas from doing this.
 
2014-08-10 07:05:43 PM  

namatad: Kumana Wanalaia: Hamas places their rocket facilities and their other infrastructure next to and inside schools, hospitals, and civilian centers. Hamas' strategy is to get Palestinians killed, and then complain about it.

No one would tolerate rockets being fired into their cities. Hamas are terrorists. Fark Hamas.

strangely enough, you would ASSUME that the gazans would NOT WANT rockets in their houses and mosques and basements.

STRANGE that they dont stop Hamas from doing this.


Either they're too afraid of Hamas to stop them, or they agree with/encourage Hamas to do this...I guess the question is, does this mean that hamas is terrorizing their people? I'm not sure WHAT i think at this point.
 
2014-08-10 07:09:02 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Especially when they're evicting Palestinians out of their homes so they can build more Settlements


In Gaza? They dismantled Jewish settlements that had been there since before 1967, when they withdrew a few years back. I disagree with the settlement policies in the West Bank, but it's a separate issue. It's absurd to think that Israel should open its borders to Gaza. This would lead to far more Arab deaths, because they will swarm into Israel, try to kill us, and we will kill them. Of course, they will come wielding babies as shields.
 
2014-08-10 07:16:43 PM  

Kit Fister: namatad: Kumana Wanalaia: Hamas places their rocket facilities and their other infrastructure next to and inside schools, hospitals, and civilian centers. Hamas' strategy is to get Palestinians killed, and then complain about it.

No one would tolerate rockets being fired into their cities. Hamas are terrorists. Fark Hamas.

strangely enough, you would ASSUME that the gazans would NOT WANT rockets in their houses and mosques and basements.

STRANGE that they dont stop Hamas from doing this.

Either they're too afraid of Hamas to stop them, or they agree with/encourage Hamas to do this...I guess the question is, does this mean that hamas is terrorizing their people? I'm not sure WHAT i think at this point.


it means more than one thing at the same time
1) they are afraid of hamas
2) they like hamas for things that hamas does good for them ... food, whatever
3) the believe the propaganda from their side - normal in all wars
4) they have next to nothing to lose - you hear interviews with Gazans talking about wanting anything but the status quo. dying is better than the hell they currently live in ...
5) they go straight to heaven and get unlimited virgins - brain washing is a wonderful thing
 
2014-08-10 07:23:36 PM  

namatad: Kit Fister: namatad: Kumana Wanalaia: Hamas places their rocket facilities and their other infrastructure next to and inside schools, hospitals, and civilian centers. Hamas' strategy is to get Palestinians killed, and then complain about it.

No one would tolerate rockets being fired into their cities. Hamas are terrorists. Fark Hamas.

strangely enough, you would ASSUME that the gazans would NOT WANT rockets in their houses and mosques and basements.

STRANGE that they dont stop Hamas from doing this.

Either they're too afraid of Hamas to stop them, or they agree with/encourage Hamas to do this...I guess the question is, does this mean that hamas is terrorizing their people? I'm not sure WHAT i think at this point.

it means more than one thing at the same time
1) they are afraid of hamas
2) they like hamas for things that hamas does good for them ... food, whatever
3) the believe the propaganda from their side - normal in all wars
4) they have next to nothing to lose - you hear interviews with Gazans talking about wanting anything but the status quo. dying is better than the hell they currently live in ...
5) they go straight to heaven and get unlimited virgins - brain washing is a wonderful thing


That's kinda what I figured. And, considering that Hamas is the only ones who are even tacitly on their side, it would make sense that they'd at least tolerate them.

I wonder what might happen if Israel offered unconditional peace, food, water, electricity, freedom, etc. to the people of Gaza if they agree to oust Hamas.
 
2014-08-10 07:30:51 PM  
Hamas will break in within a day.  They just love attacking Jews so much that they can't resist themselves.And who cares if they lose some more kids and women? fark them.
 
2014-08-10 07:38:33 PM  
The punchline being that they're all fighting over a patch of kitty litter. They don't even have oil. It would be cheaper for us to just give them Wisconsin to settle but they wouldn't take it because of some religious bullshiat
 
2014-08-10 07:41:51 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Turn Gaza into a sea of glass. Then work outwards ..


Unfortunately, that's how too many people seem to think.

Does anyone actually have a serious plan for peace?  I typically am pro-Israel, but it does seem like they've been a bit heavy handed here.  Even if you don't believe that all the Gaza residents who have been killed were really civilians as is claimed you have to admit that a lot of civilians have been killed and the devastation is intolerable.

Imagine if you through no fault of were own were born there and you didn't believe in firing rockets at Israel and yet you get the shiat bombed out of you anyway.

If I lived in Gaza, I'd probably want to fire rockets at Israel too even though I'd realize it would only piss them off and cause more destruction.

Since Hamas can't seem to stop firing rockets at Israel, maybe the best solution is occupation and restoration.  Send in the troops, but only have them act when confronted or when they find a cache of rockets or people firing them.  At the same time, rebuild hospitals, schools and housing so the thousands of people whose homes have been destroyed have some place to live at least.

I feel really naive suggesting that, but what else will solve the problem log term?
 
2014-08-10 07:48:09 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Truther: Zel: They're just reloading.

Disgracefully the USA is still sending weapons.

Give Israel all they need and more.

They have a right to defend themselves.

Especially when they're evicting Palestinians out of their homes so they can build more Settlements.

Both sides are assholes in this conflict.


The Arabs have a nice country to the east , it's called Jordan. Have the IDF move every one in gaza south to Sinai. The build more settlements. We need to clean out Florida and New Jersey
 
2014-08-10 07:50:20 PM  

namatad: Kumana Wanalaia: Hamas places their rocket facilities and their other infrastructure next to and inside schools, hospitals, and civilian centers. Hamas' strategy is to get Palestinians killed, and then complain about it.

No one would tolerate rockets being fired into their cities. Hamas are terrorists. Fark Hamas.

strangely enough, you would ASSUME that the gazans would NOT WANT rockets in their houses and mosques and basements.

STRANGE that they dont stop Hamas from doing this.


Not really, considering how welcome dissent and criticism of the government are in Gaza.
 
2014-08-10 08:01:04 PM  
Multiple media outlets report that Hamas's offensive tunnel network - now known to have been composed of over forty attack tunnels dug underneath Israel's border with the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip - was set to be activated during the Jewish High Holidays (September 24th) as a mass terror attack.

The attack was meant to generate as many as ten thousand casualties, men, women and particularly children and hundreds of captives.  Explosives were particularly placed underneath kindergartens to make certain that these "institutions" would be the first struck, even before anything else.

The IDF recently published the below map showing that tunnels were created in pairs, to empty out on both sides of nearby communities.  The known cost of the infrastructure - each tunnel costs upward of some $1 million - clearly shows that Hamas was planning a coordinated mega-attack.  It must be understood that use of even one tunnel would inevitably trigger Israeli retaliation against the entire network.

Revelations regarding the planned tunnel attack magnitude played a decisive role in the Israeli government's rejection of a ceasefire proposed late Friday by Secretary of State John Kerry.

Unbelievably, Kerry actually proposed in his latest "cease-fire proposal" - none of which have been honored by Hamas so far - that Israel refrains from degrading remaining attack tunnels.  This mind-boggling concept would necessarily be rejected by any sane government, of any country.

Israeli security sources, citing information acquired in interrogations of captured brigands, described a scenario under which hundreds of heavily armed Hamas fighters would have spilled out into Israel in the dead of night and within 10 minutes been positioned to infiltrate essentially all Israeli communities surrounding the Gaza Strip.  Waiting then in hiding until schools and kindergartens were occupied, the terrorists would then attempt to kill the children first, and then kill and kidnap as many Israelis as possible.  The plot was set to take place during Jewish New Year, on September 24.

"It's like the Underground, the Metro, or the Subway," Israeli military spokesman Lt. Col. Peter Lerner said.  "These tunnels are all connected.  I would describe it as Lower Gaza."
Israeli Economy Minister Naftali Bennett said, "A whole city of terror tunnels has been found.  Without the ground operation, we would have woken up one day to an Israeli 9/11."  Except, the actual objective was to be five times 9/11.
 
2014-08-10 08:08:18 PM  

Kit Fister: That's kinda what I figured. And, considering that Hamas is the only ones who are even tacitly on their side, it would make sense that they'd at least tolerate them.

I wonder what might happen if Israel offered unconditional peace, food, water, electricity, freedom, etc. to the people of Gaza if they agree to oust Hamas.


It would be interesting to see what the Gazans would have to say about that.
Except ... palestinians want the right of return. Something that they will never, ever get. ever.
Is that just the leadership or does it include a large fraction of the Gazans.

it would be interesting to see a survey.
which is almost impossible to get done.  if they are terrified of Hamas, there is no way to easily measure the "truth" of their answers.

At what point do the Gazans unconditionally surrender?
Allowing and supporting an Israeli occupation to oust Hamas and the rest of the terrorists.

Imagine if they did surrender? Israel would be responsible for their wellbeing ... at least in part.
The mind set is quite foreign to most westerners. 
Few people alive in the west have lived during a war and suffered from one end or the other.

Hmmmmm might be an interesting discussion to have with my day. He was only a kid ... but still.
 
2014-08-10 08:09:55 PM  
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Would an Israeli Middle East be so bad?
 
2014-08-10 08:13:09 PM  

OgreMagi: It's not the only border. You seem to forget that the other countries bordering the Palestinians closed their borders because they also "got tired of their shiat".


There's only one other country.

OgreMagi: Israel has a damn good reason to inspect everything passing through their border. Hamas loves their rockets, and their demand for open borders is only to make it easier to get more rockets so they can try to kill more Jews. Fortunately, Hamas seriously sucks at war and Israel is damn good at it.


It's not that Hamas sucks at war, it's that they don't have the kind of money high tech war needs, nor could they keep Israel from bombing the stuff if they did get some.

namatad: strangely enough, you would ASSUME that the gazans would NOT WANT rockets in their houses and mosques and basements.

STRANGE that they dont stop Hamas from doing this.


1)  The majority support continued conflict even if they get a peace treaty.

2)  It's the price of accepting Hamas aid.

gfid: Does anyone actually have a serious plan for peace? I typically am pro-Israel, but it does seem like they've been a bit heavy handed here. Even if you don't believe that all the Gaza residents who have been killed were really civilians as is claimed you have to admit that a lot of civilians have been killed and the devastation is intolerable.


Of course a lot of civilians have been killed--mostly human shields.  (And many of the rest are actually due to Hamas misfires.)
 
2014-08-10 08:16:01 PM  

namatad: Kit Fister: That's kinda what I figured. And, considering that Hamas is the only ones who are even tacitly on their side, it would make sense that they'd at least tolerate them.

I wonder what might happen if Israel offered unconditional peace, food, water, electricity, freedom, etc. to the people of Gaza if they agree to oust Hamas.

It would be interesting to see what the Gazans would have to say about that.
Except ... palestinians want the right of return. Something that they will never, ever get. ever.
Is that just the leadership or does it include a large fraction of the Gazans.

it would be interesting to see a survey.
which is almost impossible to get done.  if they are terrified of Hamas, there is no way to easily measure the "truth" of their answers.

At what point do the Gazans unconditionally surrender?
Allowing and supporting an Israeli occupation to oust Hamas and the rest of the terrorists.

Imagine if they did surrender? Israel would be responsible for their wellbeing ... at least in part.
The mind set is quite foreign to most westerners. 
Few people alive in the west have lived during a war and suffered from one end or the other.

Hmmmmm might be an interesting discussion to have with my day. He was only a kid ... but still.


i think if the Palestinians agreed to stop shelling Israel, ousted and all but agreed to stone anyone associated with Hamas to death on site, and showed a willingness to help support and defend Israel in a mutually beneficial arrangement, then I suppose it would be pretty darn tough for the Israelis, who if I remember reading right are pretty damn tired of the violence themselves, their leadership notwithstanding, to say "nah, we'd rather keep blowing shiat up and slaughtering you, but thanks for the offer."

Oh well, it's a pipe dream since I doubt the rank and file Gazans right now have the stones to stand up and tell Hamas to go pound sand or even to try and work out an arrangement with Israel that hamas wasn't involved in/dictating.
 
2014-08-10 08:20:05 PM  

BigNumber12: OgreMagi: It's not the only border.  You seem to forget that the other countries bordering the Palestinians closed their borders because they also "got tired of their shiat".

The popular explanation there is that Israel actually controls those countries.


Actually for quite a while those border walls were held by Israeli forces.

Then they pulled out and (temporarily bribed) Egyptian forces held the wall.

Then a hole got blown in the wall and Egyptians said, "hey you guys can't cross," but did nothing to actually stop Palestinians from leaving.

The only thing Egypt did was kind of discourage people from smuggling guns back in, because it would be bad politically to be "arming palestinians."  Because they don't actually give a shiat.

Tangential: American-manufactured guns have a tendency to get smuggled south to Mexico.  There is an interesting parallel and an amusing double-standard to these "rivers of iron."
 
2014-08-10 08:20:12 PM  

Kit Fister: namatad: Kumana Wanalaia: Hamas places their rocket facilities and their other infrastructure next to and inside schools, hospitals, and civilian centers. Hamas' strategy is to get Palestinians killed, and then complain about it.

No one would tolerate rockets being fired into their cities. Hamas are terrorists. Fark Hamas.

strangely enough, you would ASSUME that the gazans would NOT WANT rockets in their houses and mosques and basements.

STRANGE that they dont stop Hamas from doing this.

Either they're too afraid of Hamas to stop them, or they agree with/encourage Hamas to do this...I guess the question is, does this mean that hamas is terrorizing their people? I'm not sure WHAT i think at this point.


They are raised to believe that if they die in the blast they will get an automatic ticket to heaven. They run INTO the buildings to die. Sick ain't it?
 
2014-08-10 08:25:29 PM  
Loren: OgreMagi: It's not the only border. You seem to forget that the other countries bordering the Palestinians closed their borders because they also "got tired of their shiat".

There's only one other country.

For Gaza there is only one other country. The West Bank has Jordan and the Golan Heights has Syria and neither one of those countries wants to deal with them either.
 
2014-08-10 08:33:29 PM  

RedVentrue: They are raised to believe that if they die in the blast they will get an automatic ticket to heaven. They run INTO the buildings to die. Sick ain't it?


yeah. Although, to be fair, I've told some old buddies that if I were allowed, I'd go over and fight Isis if no one else will. Might get killed, but dying in battle is a sure-fire ticket to valhalla, and it sure does beat dying an old man in a bed shiatting himself and half blind.
 
2014-08-10 08:42:36 PM  
Nope, it will last until the final second, then hamas will start firing derp rockets again, and Israel will shoot back, actually hitting something, giving the derpy Jihadists a chance to film dead people and say how terrible Israel is for killing people. Repeat, ad naseum.
 
2014-08-10 09:13:40 PM  

Kit Fister: namatad: Kit Fister: That's kinda what I figured. And, considering that Hamas is the only ones who are even tacitly on their side, it would make sense that they'd at least tolerate them.

I wonder what might happen if Israel offered unconditional peace, food, water, electricity, freedom, etc. to the people of Gaza if they agree to oust Hamas.

It would be interesting to see what the Gazans would have to say about that.
Except ... palestinians want the right of return. Something that they will never, ever get. ever.
Is that just the leadership or does it include a large fraction of the Gazans.

it would be interesting to see a survey.
which is almost impossible to get done.  if they are terrified of Hamas, there is no way to easily measure the "truth" of their answers.

At what point do the Gazans unconditionally surrender?
Allowing and supporting an Israeli occupation to oust Hamas and the rest of the terrorists.

Imagine if they did surrender? Israel would be responsible for their wellbeing ... at least in part.
The mind set is quite foreign to most westerners. 
Few people alive in the west have lived during a war and suffered from one end or the other.

Hmmmmm might be an interesting discussion to have with my day. He was only a kid ... but still.

i think if the Palestinians agreed to stop shelling Israel, ousted and all but agreed to stone anyone associated with Hamas to death on site, and showed a willingness to help support and defend Israel in a mutually beneficial arrangement, then I suppose it would be pretty darn tough for the Israelis, who if I remember reading right are pretty damn tired of the violence themselves, their leadership notwithstanding, to say "nah, we'd rather keep blowing shiat up and slaughtering you, but thanks for the offer."

Oh well, it's a pipe dream since I doubt the rank and file Gazans right now have the stones to stand up and tell Hamas to go pound sand or even to try and work out an arrangement with Israel that hamas wasn't invol ...


It would make for an INTERESTING peace offer.

1) we will provide a marshall plan - help rebuild everything, 51% isr / 49% gaza ownership. stocks going as a share to every citizen. which would/could then be the basis of starting their own stock market.  make the shares vest over time. you get 10 shares, each one vest per year, no selling early or the stock is destroyed.  VESTED OWNERSHIP changed how people think about things.

2) they agree to complete disarmament in exchange, israel will defend their borders

3) they agree to actively assist with finding all Hamas supporters. Treat hamas as prsioners of war, until there is an official, unconditional surrender of Hamas, including Hamas in hiding. Keep the POWS until then.  Perfect make work jobs for Gazans. Reward them for good work, demote them for bad work.

4) peace ???

5) Offer them complete separation and statehood from West Bank and Israel, their very own little country.
OR
Complete reintegration into Israel, as a member state of the Israeli Federation. full rights as citizens, etc.
OR 
status quo 

(strange, that seems to be the vote in puerto rico these days)
 
2014-08-10 09:24:10 PM  

TheBigJerk: Actually for quite a while those border walls were held by Israeli forces.


Yes, I'm familiar with the Philadelphi route. Controlled by Egypt since 2005.

TheBigJerk: Then they pulled out and (temporarily bribed) Egyptian forces held the wall.


Yes, this is what I was talking about. People only seem to hold Israel responsible for its actions - never an Arab group. Israel can apply political pressure to Egypt, but they don't farking control them - Egypt is a powerful country, run by actual adults, and is responsible for their own decisions. It seems to be incomprehensible to some people that Egypt wants Gazans contained just as badly as Israel does. Even the Hamas-sympathetic Muslim Brotherhood government did very little to change that while they were in power.

TheBigJerk: Then a hole got blown in the wall and Egyptians said, "hey you guys can't cross," but did nothing to actually stop Palestinians from leaving.


Like what? Machine gunning thousands of Gazans? They were faced with a flood of hundreds of thousands of people, and they did everything they could do to respond and reseal the border without creating a humanitarian crisis - sending in additional police, preventing Gazans from traveling any further than Arish, and blocking and repairing the border as quickly as they could.

I think you vastly underestimate what a problem Gaza actually is for Egypt, and the extent to which they certainly do "give a shiat."
 
2014-08-10 09:42:46 PM  

gfid: Since Hamas can't seem to stop firing rockets at Israel, maybe the best solution is occupation and restoration.  Send in the troops, but only have them act when confronted or when they find a cache of rockets or people firing them.  At the same time, rebuild hospitals, schools and housing so the thousands of people whose homes have been destroyed have some place to live at least.


Hamas's very survival depends on its never allowing Gazans to see Israel as any sort of provider. Occupation troops would be met with bullets every minute they spent in Gaza, and those construction projects would be attacked and sabotaged before they ever got an inch into the ground. Hamas has been very clear that "it's us, or nothing."
 
2014-08-10 09:44:34 PM  
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2014-08-10 09:47:00 PM  

Mrtraveler01: OgreMagi: Mrtraveler01: Truther: Zel: They're just reloading.

Disgracefully the USA is still sending weapons.

Give Israel all they need and more.

They have a right to defend themselves.

Especially when they're evicting Palestinians out of their homes so they can build more Settlements.

Both sides are assholes in this conflict.

Israel gave them nearly the entire gaza in a peace agreement.  To show their appreciation, the Palestinians fired more rockets at civilians.  Fark 'em.

Israel still controlled the borders and what goods came in and out of Gaza. Not technically free but fair enough.

Even though the settlements are in the West Bank, Israel's handling of them has made it difficult for me to feel sorry for them.

I really do think they're both equally bad.


Which settlements?  I've read that the ones past the 1967 borders Israel doesn't want either.  Because the PA and Hamas keep talking about them, Israel doesn't feel it can totally abandon them without it being in a treaty (giving up something for nothing in negotiations is dumb after all).  That's why Israel is slow as hell approving permits for them.  The real problem is that the Palestinian governments also call any Jewish building in Jerusalem settlements too.  Israel isn't signing up to give away any parts of Jerusalem and are going to allow building there.
 
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