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2014-08-10 12:20:52 PM
2 things really stink about this one:

1) almost 24hrs between the event and the press release.  Most every other incident around here has the police responding to the press within a few hours.  It almost seems like "lets get together and make sure our stories all match"

2) No dash cam, and they confiscated the phone of a girl that recorded the incident.
 
2014-08-10 12:29:07 PM
Was he living in St Louis while black? Cause that's probable cause to get shot by police right there
 
2014-08-10 12:31:33 PM
For resisting nothing?  According to TFA the guy jumped into the police car, assaulted the officer, and tried to take his gun before running away.  Assaulting an officer, attempting to take his gun, and then ignoring commands to stop should be enough for the officer to legally fire at you to prevent your escape.
 
2014-08-10 12:34:03 PM
He had no arms? How did he assault the cops and try to take the gun?
 
2014-08-10 12:39:59 PM

TuteTibiImperes: For resisting nothing?  According to TFA the guy jumped into the police car, assaulted the officer, and tried to take his gun before running away.  Assaulting an officer, attempting to take his gun, and then ignoring commands to stop should be enough for the officer to legally fire at you to prevent your escape.


If that's what happened.  You have to remember that these are cops we're talking about here.
 
2014-08-10 12:45:54 PM

Marcus Aurelius: TuteTibiImperes: For resisting nothing?  According to TFA the guy jumped into the police car, assaulted the officer, and tried to take his gun before running away.  Assaulting an officer, attempting to take his gun, and then ignoring commands to stop should be enough for the officer to legally fire at you to prevent your escape.

If that's what happened.  You have to remember that these are cops we're talking about here.


I'm more inclined to believe the story of the police than the friends and neighbors of the perp who are shouting 'kill the police'.
 
2014-08-10 12:48:35 PM

TuteTibiImperes: For resisting nothing?  According to TFA the guy jumped into the police car, assaulted the officer, and tried to take his gun before running away.  Assaulting an officer, attempting to take his gun, and then ignoring commands to stop should be enough for the officer to legally fire at you to prevent your escape.


Normally I'm pretty critical of the police when it comes to shooting unarmed people, but if these are the facts, this was not totally unwarranted.  You go for a cop's gun, and you pretty much forfeit your life.
 
2014-08-10 12:49:26 PM

Speaker2Animals: He had no arms? How did he assault the cops and try to take the gun?


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2014-08-10 12:52:22 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Marcus Aurelius: TuteTibiImperes: For resisting nothing?  According to TFA the guy jumped into the police car, assaulted the officer, and tried to take his gun before running away.  Assaulting an officer, attempting to take his gun, and then ignoring commands to stop should be enough for the officer to legally fire at you to prevent your escape.

If that's what happened.  You have to remember that these are cops we're talking about here.

I'm more inclined to believe the story of the police than the friends and neighbors of the perp who are shouting 'kill the police'.


If a cop told me the sky was blue, I'd have to go outside and check for myself.
 
2014-08-10 01:10:07 PM
 He said an autopsy was pending and that a toxicology test would take as long as six weeks to determine whether Brown had alcohol or drugs in his system.

It takes 6 weeks to get a pair of jetskiis to the coroner?  You'd think they'd have them on hand.
 
2014-08-10 01:38:28 PM

I_Am_Weasel: He said an autopsy was pending and that a toxicology test would take as long as six weeks to determine whether Brown had alcohol or drugs in his system.

It takes 6 weeks to get a pair of jetskiis to the coroner?  You'd think they'd have them on hand.


If they were trying to arrest me for DWI, they would have the results before I could get in touch with a lawyer.
 
2014-08-10 01:42:26 PM
obviously wasn't a well disciplined VC
 
2014-08-10 01:47:39 PM

TuteTibiImperes: For resisting nothing?  According to TFA the guy jumped into the police car, assaulted the officer, and tried to take his gun before running away.  Assaulting an officer, attempting to take his gun, and then ignoring commands to stop should be enough for the officer to legally fire at you to prevent your escape.


Fire at you to prevent your escape?  Of a person known to be unarmed?  Yeah, you're a little too authoritarian for my taste.
 
2014-08-10 01:48:31 PM
I see a blah protester so the victim must of been blah, guessing the cop was white too = outrage.
 
2014-08-10 01:50:08 PM

TuteTibiImperes: For resisting nothing?  According to TFA the guy jumped into the police car, assaulted the officer, and tried to take his gun before running away.  Assaulting an officer, attempting to take his gun, and then ignoring commands to stop should be enough for the officer to legally fire at you to prevent your escape.


Attempting to escape should be punishable by death? No evidence? No trial? No jury?

Sorry, but this was murder and fark the police.
 
2014-08-10 01:50:42 PM
Off-topic and not directly related to the linked article:

I'm a Mexican-American and got in with a "rough crowd" when I was a kid in Texas and later Compton. I don't have any experiences with foreign police forces, but it seems that American police are rather militarized but it also seems that American criminal organizations are overly violent/militarized as well compared to European and Asian criminal elements.

Are there are studies/facts & figures on this?
 
2014-08-10 01:51:09 PM

XveryYpettyZ: Fire at you to prevent your escape?  Of a person known to be unarmed?  Yeah, you're a little too authoritarian for my taste.


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2014-08-10 01:51:49 PM
Did he have a dog with him? Maybe they were aiming for the dog.
 
2014-08-10 01:52:16 PM
I'll wait for the official report while all the Trayvon supporters jump out of the woodwork. I'll never trust a police officer, but no one know what happened here yet.
 
2014-08-10 01:52:38 PM
Well he was resisting and did not follow the lawful orders of the police.  Therefore any death due to resisting arrest is their issue.  Don't agree with me, see this thread:

http://forums.officer.com/t194964/

Resisting arrest is resisting  arrest.

[For any mentally challenged  noobs in the crowd, this is sarcasm]
 
2014-08-10 01:53:51 PM
You know how not to get shot in the back of the head? Don't break the law.
 
2014-08-10 01:55:38 PM
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2014-08-10 01:56:05 PM

baconbeard: You know how not to get shot in the back of the head? Don't break the law.


What law did he break? Meaning - what was the original trouble here?
 
2014-08-10 01:56:18 PM
"Belmar did not indicate whether police think the shooting was justified."

Of course they do,  WTF have you been smoking Belmar?

"He said the results would be forwarded to St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Robert P. McCulloch, whose office would decide whether criminal charges were justified."

Well we have to work with these guys,  we can't have them mad at us,  no charges.

There needs to be attorneys at the state or federal level who look at these kind of things,  hopefully that would get these bums charged for wrong doing a bit more often.  Ya I know,  haha, right, never gonna happen.

"The officer who fired, whose name has not been disclosed, is now on administrative leave."

Everyone else gets named and shamed when the shiat hits the fan,  why not Officer Brickleberry here?
 
2014-08-10 01:56:33 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Marcus Aurelius: TuteTibiImperes: For resisting nothing?  According to TFA the guy jumped into the police car, assaulted the officer, and tried to take his gun before running away.  Assaulting an officer, attempting to take his gun, and then ignoring commands to stop should be enough for the officer to legally fire at you to prevent your escape.

If that's what happened.  You have to remember that these are cops we're talking about here.

I'm more inclined to believe the story of the police than the friends and neighbors of the perp who are shouting 'kill the police'.



Yea well there are clear levels regarding force response and this doesn't add up to discharging a firearm.  It would be one thing if the person was shot during a struggle but once he was running away there was no longer any immediate physical threat.  That's the difference between self-defense and murder.
 
2014-08-10 01:58:01 PM
They weren't chanting kill the police. It was no justice, no peace but reporters hear what they want to hear just like cops see what they want to see, no matter what the reality actually is.
 
2014-08-10 01:58:17 PM
Guy was a dangerous criminal who attacked the police and tried to take their guns.

Maybe how he died was extreme and unjust and the officers should be reprimanded for being heavy handed but the result is one more bad guy off the streets.
 
2014-08-10 01:59:41 PM
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2014-08-10 02:00:20 PM

XveryYpettyZ: Fire at you to prevent your escape? Of a person known to be unarmed? Yeah, you're a little too authoritarian for my taste.


For all the folks in the other day's "it's ok to taze an 8 year old with a knife", why was that NOT the appropriate response here? If he was running away with his hands in the air, how is he a BIGGER threat than an 8 year old, in proximity, with a deadly weapon? Taze his ass, cuff him, and prosecute.

Cmon, cop fellaters, this is your big chance to demonstrate why the police always make the right decision when applying force.
 
2014-08-10 02:00:26 PM

CleanAndPure: Guy was a dangerous criminal who attacked the police and tried to take their guns.

Maybe how he died was extreme and unjust and the officers should be reprimanded for being heavy handed but the result is one more bad guy off the streets.


I would prefer to see 12 men and women and a judge make that determination. Not John Q. Law. Not his job, see?
 
2014-08-10 02:01:51 PM

CleanAndPure: Guy was a dangerous criminal who attacked the police and tried to take their guns.

Maybe how he died was extreme and unjust and the officers should be reprimanded for being heavy handed but the result is one more bad guy off the streets.


Funny, because the article says he was a clean cut kid getting ready to attend college.  I must have missed the part where he was convicted of something.

Besides being blah, of course.  He was terribly guilty of that, and had ample opportunity to change his ways.
 
2014-08-10 02:01:56 PM

CleanAndPure: Guy was a dangerous criminal who attacked the police and tried to take their guns.

Maybe how he died was extreme and unjust and the officers should be reprimanded for being heavy handed but the result is one more bad guy off the streets.


Really? How do you know he was a dangerous criminal? Maybe we read two completely different articles.
 
2014-08-10 02:02:06 PM
'He was a good kid. He didn't live around here, he came to visit me,' Mike Brown's grandmother told KMOV.
'He was spending the summer with me, and they did that to him with no reason.'


Yep isn't that what everyone says? Nice people don't run from the cops and fight with them. A cop just doesn't draw his weapon and fire unless you give him a damn good reason too.
 
2014-08-10 02:02:33 PM

CleanAndPure: Guy was a dangerous criminal who attacked the police and tried to take their guns.

Maybe how he died was extreme and unjust and the officers should be reprimanded for being heavy handed but the result is one more bad guy off the streets.


Ah, yes. The good old authoritarian standbys of "the ends justify the means" and "well he was obviously guilty of something, therefore execution without trial is an appropriate punishment".

You guys don't believe in "rule of law" much, do you?
 
2014-08-10 02:03:19 PM

Meireles16: They weren't chanting kill the police. It was no justice, no peace but reporters hear what they want to hear just like cops see what they want to see, no matter what the reality actually is.


I used to live about 5 miles from where the shooting happened. Those areas were majority white, where police were expected to "make an example" as part of their jobs. The demographics have changed significantly, but the attitude of a lot of the police have not. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it were actually "kill the police".
 
2014-08-10 02:05:53 PM

hungryhungryhorus: Yea well there are clear levels regarding force response and this doesn't add up to discharging a firearm.  It would be one thing if the person was shot during a struggle but once he was running away there was no longer any immediate physical threat.



I think expecting him to calm down that quickly and act rationally after his life was threatened is unrealistic.

That's probably one of the traits the cops should be selecting for, though.
 
2014-08-10 02:05:53 PM

Marcus Aurelius: CleanAndPure: Guy was a dangerous criminal who attacked the police and tried to take their guns.

Maybe how he died was extreme and unjust and the officers should be reprimanded for being heavy handed but the result is one more bad guy off the streets.

Funny, because the article says he was a clean cut kid getting ready to attend college.  I must have missed the part where he was convicted of something.

Besides being blah, of course.  He was terribly guilty of that, and had ample opportunity to change his ways.


He was starting with the man in the mirror.
 
2014-08-10 02:05:55 PM
Hmm... according to Stand Your Ground advocates, and other NRA zealots... this kind of thing is okay.  I mean, if you can shoot a trespasser dead with no consequences, why can't a police offer shoot someone who is running from them?
 
2014-08-10 02:07:21 PM

Misconduc: 'He was a good kid. He didn't live around here, he came to visit me,' Mike Brown's grandmother told KMOV.
'He was spending the summer with me, and they did that to him with no reason.'

Yep isn't that what everyone says? Nice people don't run from the cops and fight with them. A cop just doesn't draw his weapon and fire unless you give him a damn good reason too.


I was a trained federal LEO and they made it very clear; you don't use deadly force on an unarmed fleeing person, be they a known criminal or otherwise. This officer made a terrible decision to shoot this kid as he ran away.
 
2014-08-10 02:08:54 PM

grinding_journalist: XveryYpettyZ: Fire at you to prevent your escape? Of a person known to be unarmed? Yeah, you're a little too authoritarian for my taste.

For all the folks in the other day's "it's ok to taze an 8 year old with a knife", why was that NOT the appropriate response here? If he was running away with his hands in the air, how is he a BIGGER threat than an 8 year old, in proximity, with a deadly weapon? Taze his ass, cuff him, and prosecute.

Cmon, cop fellaters, this is your big chance to demonstrate why the police always make the right decision when applying force.


Why are you quoting me like I had an opinion about the 8 year old?  I wasn't in that thread and didn't read that article.
 
2014-08-10 02:10:01 PM

grinding_journalist: For all the folks in the other day's "it's ok to taze an 8 year old with a knife", why was that NOT the appropriate response here? If he was running away with his hands in the air, how is he a BIGGER threat than an 8 year old, in proximity, with a deadly weapon? Taze his ass, cuff him, and prosecute.


Because, if he was running away, this was murder and not a lawful use of force.

Tennessee v. Garner was quite specific: Fleeing from a cop is not reason for summary execution.
 
2014-08-10 02:10:13 PM

MAJ Ethanolic: TuteTibiImperes: For resisting nothing?  According to TFA the guy jumped into the police car, assaulted the officer, and tried to take his gun before running away.  Assaulting an officer, attempting to take his gun, and then ignoring commands to stop should be enough for the officer to legally fire at you to prevent your escape.

Normally I'm pretty critical of the police when it comes to shooting unarmed people, but if these are the facts, this was not totally unwarranted.  You go for a cop's gun, and you pretty much forfeit your life.


There should be recorded evidence before something like this should happen.
 
2014-08-10 02:11:52 PM
Hmmmm.....

So the dead kid was "Walking While Black" down a fairly busy street.  Ossifer Asshole decided to check papers and it went south from there?

Not Mississippi in 1955, but St. Louis in 2014?

Not looking good.
 
2014-08-10 02:12:11 PM

ZeroPly: Meireles16: They weren't chanting kill the police. It was no justice, no peace but reporters hear what they want to hear just like cops see what they want to see, no matter what the reality actually is.

I used to live about 5 miles from where the shooting happened. Those areas were majority white, where police were expected to "make an example" as part of their jobs. The demographics have changed significantly, but the attitude of a lot of the police have not. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it were actually "kill the police".


Interesting. I'm just going off my twitter feed where it seems like what eyewitnesses say they saw and what the press is reporting is much different. With a young black man as victim, I tend to lean towards the eyewitnesses. I am from SoCal which has obviously had its own issues with bad cops, are the cops in St. Louis known for this type of thuggery?
 
2014-08-10 02:12:39 PM
Can't blame someone for running away from the cops. It's pretty obvious your dead if they catch you, may as well take your chances.
 
SH
2014-08-10 02:13:01 PM
Looks like the Cincinnati cops from the early 2000's took refuge in St. Louis.
 
2014-08-10 02:13:03 PM

Enlightened Liberal: Off-topic and not directly related to the linked article:

I'm a Mexican-American and got in with a "rough crowd" when I was a kid in Texas and later Compton. I don't have any experiences with foreign police forces, but it seems that American police are rather militarized but it also seems that American criminal organizations are overly violent/militarized as well compared to European and Asian criminal elements.

Are there are studies/facts & figures on this?


Mexican American or White Hispanic, we need to know these things before we know if you can trusted.
 
2014-08-10 02:14:45 PM

TuteTibiImperes: For resisting nothing?  According to TFA the guy jumped into the police car, assaulted the officer, and tried to take his gun before running away.  Assaulting an officer, attempting to take his gun, and then ignoring commands to stop should be enough for the officer to legally fire at you to prevent your escape.


Is an unarmed person running away an immediate threat to others? No. It is not justified to shoot him.
 
2014-08-10 02:16:46 PM

MAJ Ethanolic: You go for a cop's gun, and you pretty much forfeit your life.


Face to face, maybe. To the back of the head while you're running away from an obviously unsuccessful (alleged) attempt, nope.


phenn: TuteTibiImperes:

For resisting nothing?  According to TFA the guy jumped into the police car, assaulted the officer, and tried to take his gun before running away.


Uh-huh. Likely story. Again, if this was "struggling over the gun while resisting arrest" I might believe it, but jumping into a police car to rob a cop of his gun?


[TuteTibiImperes:]

 Assaulting an officer, attempting to take his gun, and then ignoring commands to stop should be enough for the officer to legally fire at you to prevent your escape.


[phenn:]
Attempting to escape should be punishable by death? No evidence? No trial? No jury?

Sorry, but this was murder and fark the police.


Agreed.


Misconduc: A cop just doesn't draw his weapon and fire unless you give him a damn good reason too.


Yup. The perp should have picked white parents.


qorkfiend: You guys don't believe in "rule of law" much, do you?


For you and me the rule of law can result in instant death. For the police it's optional.
 
2014-08-10 02:16:53 PM

SH: Looks like the Cincinnati cops from the early 2000's took refuge in St. Louis.


Suburb of Ferguson /= St. Louis
 
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