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2014-08-10 12:53:49 PM  
Yeah, I don't get it. Shows you that "everyone deserves and equal chance" and "the free market" arguments they make are complete bullshiat. Only when it's convenient to them.
 
2014-08-10 12:58:43 PM  
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2014-08-10 12:59:03 PM  
Clever headline subby.
 
2014-08-10 01:54:35 PM  
The sun is taking our jerbs!
 
2014-08-10 02:37:54 PM  
The important thing is that they're sticking it to the libs.
 
2014-08-10 03:17:42 PM  
Coal will never go away as a source of energy in our lifetime. You'd think the mining industry would encourage solar or other sources to ensure their income lasts indefinitely.
 
2014-08-10 03:31:31 PM  
I can't wait for anti-enviromentalists to start rolling coal in their double wides.
 
2014-08-10 03:52:00 PM  

OregonVet: Coal will never go away as a source of energy in our lifetime. You'd think the mining industry would encourage solar or other sources to ensure their income lasts indefinitely.


pssh. They want all the profits as fast as they can get them, to hell with the future, the air, or the lives of the people mining it.
 
2014-08-10 03:56:12 PM  
I've taken a hard open minded look at solar. It just doesn't pencil out. It's way too expensive and power companies will only allow you to offset you electric bill with a 25 year ROI. It just doesn't make financial sense right now. It's DC power. It's great for boats, trucks, RV's..even a cabin in the woods. But it's not worth it to spend 30 grand and save 100 bucks a month.
 
2014-08-10 04:12:03 PM  

Spare Me: I've taken a hard open minded look at solar. It just doesn't pencil out. It's way too expensive and power companies will only allow you to offset you electric bill with a 25 year ROI. It just doesn't make financial sense right now. It's DC power. It's great for boats, trucks, RV's..even a cabin in the woods. But it's not worth it to spend 30 grand and save 100 bucks a month.


Your "hard open minded look" must have missed the option of leasing an array instead of buying.
 
2014-08-10 04:26:07 PM  

SilentStrider: OregonVet: Coal will never go away as a source of energy in our lifetime. You'd think the mining industry would encourage solar or other sources to ensure their income lasts indefinitely.

pssh. They want all the profits as fast as they can get them, to hell with the future, the air, or the lives of the people mining it.


Sure! They won't be around to deal with the consequences. It's all Somebody Else's Problem.
 
2014-08-10 04:27:18 PM  

BMulligan: The important thing is that they're sticking it to the libs.


^
 
2014-08-10 04:27:54 PM  

Yaw String: Spare Me: I've taken a hard open minded look at solar. It just doesn't pencil out. It's way too expensive and power companies will only allow you to offset you electric bill with a 25 year ROI. It just doesn't make financial sense right now. It's DC power. It's great for boats, trucks, RV's..even a cabin in the woods. But it's not worth it to spend 30 grand and save 100 bucks a month.

Your "hard open minded look" must have missed the option of leasing an array instead of buying.


Also, it's not perfect, so let's not have it at all. Never mind the consequences.

Politicians love coal, because campaign contributions. A lot of coal is mined by machines nowadays, so lost jobs really doesn't factor in with solar and wind.
 
2014-08-10 04:28:08 PM  

qorkfiend: SilentStrider: OregonVet: Coal will never go away as a source of energy in our lifetime. You'd think the mining industry would encourage solar or other sources to ensure their income lasts indefinitely.

pssh. They want all the profits as fast as they can get them, to hell with the future, the air, or the lives of the people mining it.

Sure! They won't be around to deal with the consequences. It's all Somebody Else's Problem.


Jesus is going to magic that shiat away for their grandkids.
 
2014-08-10 04:30:18 PM  
Power companies that have a vested interest in keeping out renewable energy pay off politicians to keep out solar? You don't say!
 
2014-08-10 04:33:08 PM  

Spare Me: I've taken a hard open minded look at solar. It just doesn't pencil out. It's way too expensive and power companies will only allow you to offset you electric bill with a 25 year ROI. It just doesn't make financial sense right now. It's DC power. It's great for boats, trucks, RV's..even a cabin in the woods. But it's not worth it to spend 30 grand and save 100 bucks a month.


You've taken a "hard look" but haven't heard of inverters?

Maybe you should hire someone more informed to take a hard look for you.
 
2014-08-10 04:33:45 PM  

Spare Me: I've taken a hard open minded look at solar. It just doesn't pencil out. It's way too expensive and power companies will only allow you to offset you electric bill with a 25 year ROI. It just doesn't make financial sense right now. It's DC power. It's great for boats, trucks, RV's..even a cabin in the woods. But it's not worth it to spend 30 grand and save 100 bucks a month.


That's partly because of the compromises and subsidies we've made to build the AC-based power transmission grid. When you put solar on your house, that power doesn't have to be transmitted through the overloaded substations, making them last longer. It shouldn't really even be on people's roofs; it should be on the top of flat buildings like offices and big stores where professionals can maintain a large installation.
 
2014-08-10 04:33:56 PM  

OregonVet: Coal will never go away as a source of energy in our lifetime. You'd think the mining industry would encourage solar or other sources to ensure their income lasts indefinitely.


Or, you know, invest in it.  It's not like plugging your ears and shouting is going to make solar go away.  It's only going to get cheaper and more popular.

On the other hand, investing in new energy tech never worked out.  Look at what happened to the people who went into oil drilling.  The whalers had the last laugh there!
 
2014-08-10 04:35:09 PM  

Spare Me: I've taken a hard open minded look at solar. It just doesn't pencil out. It's way too expensive and power companies will only allow you to offset you electric bill with a 25 year ROI. It just doesn't make financial sense right now...


I am pretty sure before the turn of the last century conservative sages were uttering the same premise about horseless carriages.

As a businessman it boggles my mind that big energy companies are not researching the hell out of alternative sources - but no doubt they have Market Basket vindictive level CEO's bossing world-class scientists on their payroll.
 
2014-08-10 04:35:49 PM  
I'm from the South and I can tell you the sun only shines for 1/2 the day.  What are we supposed to do for power after dark?
 
2014-08-10 04:35:58 PM  

MurphyMurphy: qorkfiend: SilentStrider: OregonVet: Coal will never go away as a source of energy in our lifetime. You'd think the mining industry would encourage solar or other sources to ensure their income lasts indefinitely.

pssh. They want all the profits as fast as they can get them, to hell with the future, the air, or the lives of the people mining it.

Sure! They won't be around to deal with the consequences. It's all Somebody Else's Problem.

Jesus is going to magic that shiat away for their grandkids.


Something like that. God promised Noah he wouldn't destroy the world again, so it's all good.
 
2014-08-10 04:36:18 PM  

Spare Me: I've taken a hard open minded look at solar. It just doesn't pencil out. It's way too expensive and power companies will only allow you to offset you electric bill with a 25 year ROI. It just doesn't make financial sense right now. It's DC power. It's great for boats, trucks, RV's..even a cabin in the woods. But it's not worth it to spend 30 grand and save 100 bucks a month.


I think you should review your numbers.  The fact is, fossil fuels only work on a financial basis because we so heavily socialize the costs they incur.

If the producer or end user had to pay the costs of dealing with their own waste products, the entire industry would grind to a halt immediately, even if you don't consider CO2 to be a waste material.
 
2014-08-10 04:37:23 PM  
Hell, why leave the dinner table to take a sh*t when you have a bowl right there?
 
2014-08-10 04:37:35 PM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: I'm from the South and I can tell you the sun only shines for 1/2 the day.  What are we supposed to do for power after dark?


Burning crosses provide a lot of light.
 
2014-08-10 04:38:06 PM  
We used to pay about $250 a month for electricity. Now we're paying $18 with solar. I can understand how an electric company needs to make sure that too many solar installations on the line don't mess up their systems. But it can be done.
 
2014-08-10 04:38:23 PM  

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: Spare Me: I've taken a hard open minded look at solar. It just doesn't pencil out. It's way too expensive and power companies will only allow you to offset you electric bill with a 25 year ROI. It just doesn't make financial sense right now...

I am pretty sure before the turn of the last century conservative sages were uttering the same premise about horseless carriages.

As a businessman it boggles my mind that big energy companies are not researching the hell out of alternative sources - but no doubt they have Market Basket vindictive level CEO's bossing world-class scientists on their payroll.


Same reason telecoms aren't investing in better networks.  It's easier to just pay off politicians to prevent competitors from entering the market.
 
2014-08-10 04:43:42 PM  
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2014-08-10 04:48:52 PM  
I'm pro-solar, but remember these utilities aren't used to dealing with the issues that come up from rooftop solar. . . and it messes up the economics too. Yeah new business models I know, just trying to look at it from their point of view.
 
2014-08-10 04:50:50 PM  

MurphyMurphy: Jesus is going to magic that shiat away for their grandkids.


Whaddaya talking about? Jesus is coming back soon and then everybody will be in Heaven... at least those who deserve to be there.

Enjoy Hell, libtard. That's what you REALLY mean by global warming.
 
2014-08-10 04:56:48 PM  

BMulligan: The important thing is that they're sticking it to the libs.


And we're done here
 
2014-08-10 04:57:27 PM  
If we subsidized solar the way to subsidize coal and oil it would pencil out.  All major energy sectors are subject to price manipulation it's just a matter of what horse we chose to put our money on.  Let's not allow the status quo to stop us from doing something that is better for us by essentially every other metric.
 
2014-08-10 05:11:04 PM  

GleeUnit: one of Ripley's Bad Guys: Spare Me: I've taken a hard open minded look at solar. It just doesn't pencil out. It's way too expensive and power companies will only allow you to offset you electric bill with a 25 year ROI. It just doesn't make financial sense right now...

I am pretty sure before the turn of the last century conservative sages were uttering the same premise about horseless carriages.

As a businessman it boggles my mind that big energy companies are not researching the hell out of alternative sources - but no doubt they have Market Basket vindictive level CEO's bossing world-class scientists on their payroll.

Same reason telecoms aren't investing in better networks.  It's easier to just pay off politicians to prevent competitors from entering the market.


Bingo. In the age of the lobbyist and unlimited campaign spending, nobody needs to compete on the strength of their product or service.

Defense contractors are the greatest example. Most can't hock their garbage on the open market, so they created their own captive market segment.
 
2014-08-10 05:22:42 PM  
Don't include Texas in the South.

Austin used to have a powerful subsidy to installing solar, somethings like 2/3 or 4/5 the cost and maybe up to $25,000 or so. You did need a newer roof so not everyone qualified. And if you wanted to have battery storage of your juice, that was your dime.

One local weatherman figures that in a few years he'll have paid for his new system, and will be realizing a profit from selling power back. With an electric bill of $0.89 for the month he may be right.

Wind power is actually capable of much more generation although less predictable. And for Florida, tidal power may be incredible.
 
2014-08-10 05:27:06 PM  

BitwiseShift: Don't include Texas in the South.

Austin used to have a powerful subsidy to installing solar, somethings like 2/3 or 4/5 the cost and maybe up to $25,000 or so. You did need a newer roof so not everyone qualified. And if you wanted to have battery storage of your juice, that was your dime.

One local weatherman figures that in a few years he'll have paid for his new system, and will be realizing a profit from selling power back. With an electric bill of $0.89 for the month he may be right.

Wind power is actually capable of much more generation although less predictable. And for Florida, tidal power may be incredible.


Yes, but that means energy companies will either have to spend some of their immense profits on new business models, or allow new companies to compete with them. Both options mean that energy executives make a little less money in the short term, and thus, both are completely unacceptable.

Besides, the greedy farks will be dead before they truly see the consequences of their greed, so why should they give a fark?
 
2014-08-10 05:39:40 PM  
This is why transmission lines should be socialized.
 
2014-08-10 05:48:00 PM  
That'll show those stupid libs that want a world to live on.
 
2014-08-10 05:48:12 PM  

qorkfiend: SilentStrider: OregonVet: Coal will never go away as a source of energy in our lifetime. You'd think the mining industry would encourage solar or other sources to ensure their income lasts indefinitely.

pssh. They want all the profits as fast as they can get them, to hell with the future, the air, or the lives of the people mining it.

Sure! They won't be around to deal with the consequences. It's all Somebody Else's Problem.


Finally, someone has thought of the children
 
2014-08-10 05:57:18 PM  
The Southern Company, not mentioned in the article, I'm sure is holding up solar in a big way. IIRC they provide the majority of the power for the southern states. Georgia Power, Gulf Power, Alabama Power, Mississippi Power....All part of Southern Company.

Here in Georgia they tried floating a monthly fee for those that had installed solar panels. Essentially discouraging consumers from installing them by taking away the energy savings.

Fark them right in the pooper. Unfortunately that is who I have to get my power from. Farking utility companies and their legal monopolies.
 
2014-08-10 06:01:09 PM  

ragekage: Yeah, I don't get it. Shows you that "everyone deserves and equal chance" and "the free market" arguments they make are complete bullshiat. Only when it's convenient to them.


Free market and power companies?

The terms are mutually exclusive here. There is zero choice in who you get your power from. Either get it from XYZ company, or get no power at all.

But I guess it's convenient to blame a free market, no matter how wrong you are.
 
2014-08-10 06:19:04 PM  

RadiomanATL: ragekage: Yeah, I don't get it. Shows you that "everyone deserves and equal chance" and "the free market" arguments they make are complete bullshiat. Only when it's convenient to them.

Free market and power companies?

The terms are mutually exclusive here. There is zero choice in who you get your power from. Either get it from XYZ company, or get no power at all.

But I guess it's convenient to blame a free market, no matter how wrong you are.


If you could make your own power with a solar panel, then there could be more of a market.  But what do you know ... power companies pass laws making it hard in the Red States.
 
2014-08-10 06:21:21 PM  

BitwiseShift: Don't include Texas in the South.


Yup -- backwards state in a lot of respects, but damned if they didn't jump big time into wind turbines. Take a drive through West Texas on I-40 or I-10 and you'll see enormous arrays of them.
 
2014-08-10 06:42:30 PM  

qorkfiend: Something like that. God promised Noah he wouldn't destroy the world by flooding it again, so it's all good.


FTFY. Won't be flood, but fire next time.
 
2014-08-10 06:43:51 PM  

Yaw String: Spare Me: I've taken a hard open minded look at solar. It just doesn't pencil out. It's way too expensive and power companies will only allow you to offset you electric bill with a 25 year ROI. It just doesn't make financial sense right now. It's DC power. It's great for boats, trucks, RV's..even a cabin in the woods. But it's not worth it to spend 30 grand and save 100 bucks a month.

Your "hard open minded look" must have missed the option of leasing an array instead of buying.


Care to share your spreadsheets on that?
 
2014-08-10 06:53:38 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Hell, why leave the dinner table to take a sh*t when you have a bowl right there?


Sorry to RSVP so late, but I won't be able to make it to your dinner party. Like, ever.

/*hurk*
 
2014-08-10 06:53:42 PM  

ragekage: Yeah, I don't get it. Shows you that "everyone deserves and equal chance" and "the free market" arguments they make are complete bullshiat. Only when it's convenient to them.


If anything, this is an example of government being the problem.
 
2014-08-10 07:03:24 PM  

At the risk of feeding a troll...: This is why transmission lines should be socialized.


I would agree (Dog knows they need some serious work).  I think that most power companies would agree too.

Money in the power industry comes from generation, not transmission.  That is why the incentive isn't there for good interconnects.
 
2014-08-10 07:13:42 PM  

Skyrmion: ragekage: Yeah, I don't get it. Shows you that "everyone deserves and equal chance" and "the free market" arguments they make are complete bullshiat. Only when it's convenient to them.

If anything, this is an example of government being the problem.


Yeah, that's my point. The governments in question like to espouse those views, and then lo and behold.

It's like when my old boss used to say "I have an open door policy, tell me anything, even if you disagree with me." The addendum "when it's convenient to me and/or you agree with me" is always missing.
 
2014-08-10 07:18:20 PM  

Spare Me: I've taken a hard open minded look at solar. It just doesn't pencil out. It's way too expensive and power companies will only allow you to offset you electric bill with a 25 year ROI. It just doesn't make financial sense right now. It's DC power. It's great for boats, trucks, RV's..even a cabin in the woods. But it's not worth it to spend 30 grand and save 100 bucks a month.


My parents had their solar panels paid off in 5 years of electrical production and reduced the monthly power bills to typically 20-30 pound a month. That is northern frigging England. That place as north as Alaska.

Germany has also had massive success with it.

So of course it makes no sense to have solar power in the south of the US.
 
2014-08-10 07:22:32 PM  

OrionXVI: Money in the power industry comes from generation, not transmission.  That is why the incentive isn't there for good interconnects.


What part of "millions of people will die, and money will not protect anyone" is not good enough incentive to change?
 
2014-08-10 07:24:39 PM  

BMulligan: The important thing is that they're sticking it to the libs.


Shockingly, even my right-wing, Fox News-watching cousin-in-laws in Connecticut are installing solar panels on their house.

I guess the looked at the state and federal incentives, did the math, decided they liked money, and went for it.

But I think they are more of the "lower my taxes, let me keep all my money" wing of the Republican Party. I don't think they care much about social issues or energy/environmental policy except insofar as it affects their taxes.
 
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