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2014-08-10 09:29:33 AM
Get the band back together?

/with John Goodman taking over for Sweetness
 
2014-08-10 09:48:07 AM
*shakes tiny fist*
 
2014-08-10 09:49:17 AM

OtherLittleGuy: Get the band back together?

/with John Goodman taking over for Sweetness


Also short Duck and Mr. Fabulous at this point.

\may the final Blues Brothers reunion take a few decades more at least
 
2014-08-10 11:37:43 AM

FriarReb98: OtherLittleGuy: Get the band back together?

/with John Goodman taking over for Sweetness

Also short Duck and Mr. Fabulous at this point.

\may the final Blues Brothers reunion take a few decades more at least


Duck died? I missed that I guess. Is guitar Murphy still alive?
 
2014-08-10 12:31:27 PM
Oh, wow; Cook County pulling a tax out of it's ass and asking for payment. What else is in the news?
 
2014-08-10 01:00:55 PM
SHOTY

/BEARS SUCK!!
/and swallow
 
2014-08-10 01:20:36 PM

SkylineRecords: Oh, wow; Cook County pulling a tax out of it's ass and asking for payment. What else is in the news?


The amusement tax isn't new.
 
2014-08-10 01:24:41 PM
Subby, you're a dumbass.  The Bears had the second best overall offense last year (behind only Denver) and were 5th overall in passing (YPG).

Now, if you want to take shots at the Bears defense, then you go right ahead.
 
2014-08-10 01:40:39 PM
I hear that guy in the Cook County Assessor's Office went on to big things

Big Things
 
2014-08-10 01:46:17 PM

Intelligent_Donkey: FriarReb98: OtherLittleGuy: Get the band back together?

/with John Goodman taking over for Sweetness

Also short Duck and Mr. Fabulous at this point.

\may the final Blues Brothers reunion take a few decades more at least

Duck died? I missed that I guess. Is guitar Murphy still alive?


He's in his 80s, but still kickin
 
2014-08-10 01:51:21 PM

lifeboat: Subby, you're a dumbass.  The Bears had the second best overall offense last year (behind only Denver) and were 5th overall in passing (YPG).

Now, if you want to take shots at the Bears defense, then you go right ahead.


Butbutbut EmoQB douchy don't caaaaaaare cuttyinpinktutu.jpeg what did I miss?

/seriously, aim right at last year's defense
//WAY more material there
 
2014-08-10 02:11:35 PM
Yes, you know what we need? More people white-knighting team owners charging ultra deluxe club box fees, but then turning around and saying that only a mere fraction of that cost should only be applied to the game...because they would otherwise sell out those boxes anyway if there want a game being played.
 
2014-08-10 02:56:06 PM
If I know the powers-that-be in Crook County, they'd tax everything that wasn't nailed down (and
most things that are nailed down as well).
 
2014-08-10 03:06:34 PM

snowshovel: Yes, you know what we need? More people white-knighting team owners charging ultra deluxe club box fees, but then turning around and saying that only a mere fraction of that cost should only be applied to the game...because they would otherwise sell out those boxes anyway if there want a game being played.


Ask


Li'l Robbie: If I know the powers-that-be in Crook County, they'd tax everything that wasn't nailed down (and
most things that are nailed down as well).


And ye shall receive
 
2014-08-10 03:22:58 PM

lifeboat: Subby, you're a dumbass.  The Bears had the second best overall offense last year (behind only Denver) and were 5th overall in passing (YPG).


Sure, but in fairness, the offense was performing its best with Josh McCown, who had nearly as many TD in less than half as many starts.
 
2014-08-10 03:43:06 PM

Li'l Robbie: If I know the powers-that-be in Crook County, they'd tax everything that wasn't nailed down (and
most things that are nailed down as well).


Don't forget the nail tax, it's for the chillens.
 
2014-08-10 04:33:01 PM
I hate Illinois Nazis.

//I bet when Rodgers' fumble was picked up and casually strolled into the end zone or when Cobb was wiiiddde open and caught the TD pass there was a steep tax on amusement in Chicago.
 
2014-08-10 05:45:02 PM

IAmRight: lifeboat: Subby, you're a dumbass.  The Bears had the second best overall offense last year (behind only Denver) and were 5th overall in passing (YPG).

Sure, but in fairness, the offense was performing its best with Josh McCown, who had nearly as many TD in less than half as many starts.


This. McCown also had a 13-1 TD-int ratio. You could argue Cutler wasn't even the best QB on the team.

/Andy Dalton of the NFC.
 
2014-08-10 05:59:22 PM

Wadded Beef: IAmRight: lifeboat: Subby, you're a dumbass.  The Bears had the second best overall offense last year (behind only Denver) and were 5th overall in passing (YPG).

Sure, but in fairness, the offense was performing its best with Josh McCown, who had nearly as many TD in less than half as many starts.

This. McCown also had a 13-1 TD-int ratio. You could argue Cutler wasn't even the best QB on the team.

/Andy Dalton of the NFC.


No arguments here - those numbers don't lie.  In terms of QBR (yeah, yeah, I know), McCown was #1 overall last year.  But Cutler was #8 and to suggest that Cutler is some terrible QB is tiresome and inaccurate.

I guess I just don't get the Cutler hate in Chicago, especially since he's the best QB Chicago's had since forever.
 
2014-08-10 06:41:14 PM

lifeboat: I guess I just don't get the Cutler hate in Chicago, especially since he's the best QB Chicago's had since forever.


I don't think anyone in Chicago hates him.

Most of us making fun of him just think he's overrated. "Well, he's really good if you give him the best wideouts in the league, a good running back, a solid coach, and a good offensive line!"

/that goes for any mediocre QB - not sure why we have to pretend Cutler is good
 
2014-08-10 06:58:54 PM

lifeboat: Wadded Beef: IAmRight: lifeboat: Subby, you're a dumbass.  The Bears had the second best overall offense last year (behind only Denver) and were 5th overall in passing (YPG).

Sure, but in fairness, the offense was performing its best with Josh McCown, who had nearly as many TD in less than half as many starts.

This. McCown also had a 13-1 TD-int ratio. You could argue Cutler wasn't even the best QB on the team.

/Andy Dalton of the NFC.

No arguments here - those numbers don't lie.  In terms of QBR (yeah, yeah, I know), McCown was #1 overall last year.  But Cutler was #8 and to suggest that Cutler is some terrible QB is tiresome and inaccurate.

I guess I just don't get the Cutler hate in Chicago, especially since he's the best QB Chicago's had since forever.


True, Chicago has had a dry spell behind center, but the Dalton comment isn't my own as career passer ratings for both Cutler and Dalton are very similar and both have about the same number of playoff appearances (which is a team stat, I know).  I'm guessing the Cutler hate in Chicago is because he's not elite in a league filled with elite QBs(?).
 
2014-08-10 07:17:19 PM

IAmRight: I don't think anyone in Chicago hates him.


There is a ton of hate here in Chicago for Cutler.  I hear it all day, every day - from friends, from co-workers, from sports radio callers, from the sports radio hosts themselves  (Mully and Hanley, I'm looking at you).  Hell, Brian frickin' Urlacher threw Jay under the bus before the man even landed at O'Hare, ferchrissakes. It's bizarre to me, but Chicago fans really have a habit of eating their young when it comes to QBs, and it doesn't make any sense because it's not like they're longing for the days of when they had a Brady, or a Manning, or a Marino.  Chicago's had...  Jim McMahon?  Sid Luckman?

I hate to say it, but I really think people just hate the way he looks and the way he carries himself - on and off the field (the endless emo jokes).  I personally don't care about any of that and I find it odd that people do.  He's the best QB I've seen in this town, McCown's stint notwithstanding. :)
 
2014-08-10 08:13:17 PM

Intelligent_Donkey: FriarReb98: OtherLittleGuy: Get the band back together?

/with John Goodman taking over for Sweetness

Also short Duck and Mr. Fabulous at this point.

\may the final Blues Brothers reunion take a few decades more at least

Duck died? I missed that I guess. Is guitar Murphy still alive?


Duck passed in 2012.  Matt "Guitar" Murphy is still alive and kicking, and he is still the oldest living Blues Brother, as he has been since day 1.
 
2014-08-10 09:57:45 PM

lifeboat: Wadded Beef: IAmRight: lifeboat: Subby, you're a dumbass.  The Bears had the second best overall offense last year (behind only Denver) and were 5th overall in passing (YPG).

Sure, but in fairness, the offense was performing its best with Josh McCown, who had nearly as many TD in less than half as many starts.

This. McCown also had a 13-1 TD-int ratio. You could argue Cutler wasn't even the best QB on the team.

/Andy Dalton of the NFC.

No arguments here - those numbers don't lie.  In terms of QBR (yeah, yeah, I know), McCown was #1 overall last year.  But Cutler was #8 and to suggest that Cutler is some terrible QB is tiresome and inaccurate.

I guess I just don't get the Cutler hate in Chicago, especially since he's the best QB Chicago's had since forever.




Most of the hate Ive seen is from outside of Chicago, really. And again, it's very very Romo-ish...where the QB gets a lot of the blame, even though when you lose a game qfter putting up 45 points, maybe you should be complaining about your historically bad defense.
 
2014-08-10 10:28:11 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Get the band back together?

/with John Goodman taking over for Sweetness


Blues Brothers 2000 never happened.
 
2014-08-10 10:46:44 PM
$4 million for amusement tax? Okay. BTW, here is a counter bill for $4 million, the cost of putting down some decent got-damn turf.
 
2014-08-10 11:21:11 PM

snowshovel: Most of the hate Ive seen is from outside of Chicago, really. And again, it's very very Romo-ish...where the QB gets a lot of the blame, even though when you lose a game qfter putting up 45 points, maybe you should be complaining about your historically bad defense.


We now live in a world where Romo is clutch and Jay Cutler is not emo?
 
2014-08-11 08:28:21 AM

italie: $4 million for amusement tax? Okay. BTW, here is a counter bill for $4 million, the cost of putting down some decent got-damn turf.


OMG THIS!! Your field makes Heinz Field look like Wimbeldon
 
2014-08-11 08:35:20 AM
Apparently the county started charging after watching Jay Cutler try to move the offense

In that case, wouldn't they be fined for loitering?
 
2014-08-11 08:48:28 AM
How much did the taxpayers pay to renovate Soldier Field?
 
2014-08-11 09:09:37 AM

eagles95: italie: $4 million for amusement tax? Okay. BTW, here is a counter bill for $4 million, the cost of putting down some decent got-damn turf.

OMG THIS!! Your field makes Heinz Field look like Wimbeldon


Soldier field is owned by the park district not the Bears. I don't think they don't pay for re-sodding the field. Though who know. Maybe they agree split it which is BS because the park district uses it for concerts and stuff which is what tears it up.


lifeboat: I guess I just don't get the Cutler hate in Chicago, especially since he's the best QB Chicago's had since forever.


I don't think most actual fans hate him here. It's mostly the casual fans regurgitating what they've hear. They pretend to hate him because they think they're supposed to but probably couldn't give you an actual explanation as to why if you asked them. They'd all just go "Because OMG EMO!"
 
2014-08-11 09:17:05 AM
Are there seriously people in here saying McCown is a better QB? This might be the dumbest thread ever.
 
2014-08-11 09:30:39 AM
profootballmock.com

Jay keeping in classy in Chi-town
 
2014-08-11 10:48:24 AM

SlagginOff: Are there seriously people in here saying McCown is a better QB? This might be the dumbest thread ever.


Yes, people are saying that the guy who couldn't put up more than 20 points against a terrible Minnesota defense (ranked 31st) and ended up losing to that same terrible Minnesota team (McCown) was a better QB than Jay Cutler. I end up listening to them all the time at work and from my one football-stupid friend.

The ranks of those defenses that McCown put of those OUTSTANDING numbers, all middle of the pack or outright terrible: Pack Cowboys and Vikings I think were all 25 or lower, Redskins were 22nd. Rams might have been 19th.
Redskins, Packers,Rams, Cowboys, and Vikings. And then the Ravens (9th) If McCown didn't have the monster 4 TD game against a Cowboys team that straight up quit in the Chicago winter his numbers would have been absolutely pedestrian and forgetable. Under McCown the team struggled to score more than 20 points a game. (aside from the Cowboys game, of course.)
/200 yards and a TD 200 yards and a TD 200 yards 2 TDs and an INT sort of lines across the board.
 
2014-08-11 11:46:48 AM

lifeboat: IAmRight: I don't think anyone in Chicago hates him.

There is a ton of hate here in Chicago for Cutler.  I hear it all day, every day - from friends, from co-workers, from sports radio callers, from the sports radio hosts themselves  (Mully and Hanley, I'm looking at you).  Hell, Brian frickin' Urlacher threw Jay under the bus before the man even landed at O'Hare, ferchrissakes. It's bizarre to me, but Chicago fans really have a habit of eating their young when it comes to QBs, and it doesn't make any sense because it's not like they're longing for the days of when they had a Brady, or a Manning, or a Marino.  Chicago's had...  Jim McMahon?  Sid Luckman?

I hate to say it, but I really think people just hate the way he looks and the way he carries himself - on and off the field (the endless emo jokes).  I personally don't care about any of that and I find it odd that people do.  He's the best QB I've seen in this town, McCown's stint notwithstanding. :)


^This

As a Bears fan, I feel relatively good with his on field performance, he tends to make some bad decisions that are counterbalanced by his strong arm and top receiving corp (throw it up and let Jeffery/Marshall pull it down). However, the way he carries himself just irks me. Putting aside his personality, he is the best QB the bears have had in a long time (probably better than McMahon IMO).
 
2014-08-11 11:49:17 AM
fearnoweebles.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-08-11 11:56:05 AM
I heard the Bears actually owed 2 million, but they sent Chris Conte to tackle the problem and now they owe 4 million.
 
2014-08-11 12:07:02 PM

abhorrent1: I don't think most actual fans hate him here. It's mostly the casual fans regurgitating what they've hear. They pretend to hate him because they think they're supposed to but probably couldn't give you an actual explanation as to why if you asked them. They'd all just go "Because OMG EMO!"


I don't think most fans hate him either, but I don't agree about the casual fans and the "emo" reputation. Casual fans are less liekly to even know that side of him; they just know that the Bears didn't make the playoffs because of the damn Packers again, so it's probably the quarterback's fault.
 
2014-08-11 12:14:48 PM

SharkaPult: The ranks of those defenses that McCown put of those OUTSTANDING numbers, all middle of the pack or outright terrible: Pack Cowboys and Vikings I think were all 25 or lower, Redskins were 22nd. Rams might have been 19th.
Redskins, Packers,Rams, Cowboys, and Vikings. And then the Ravens (9th) If McCown didn't have the monster 4 TD game against a Cowboys team that straight up quit in the Chicago winter his numbers would have been absolutely pedestrian and forgetable. Under McCown the team struggled to score more than 20 points a game. (aside from the Cowboys game, of course.)
/200 yards and a TD 200 yards and a TD 200 yards 2 TDs and an INT sort of lines across the board.


So all Cutler needs to look good is a great WR corps, good offensive line, good running backs, solid defense, AND to go against bad defenses.

Chicago's fanbase in regard to QBs is a good example of lowered expectations.

snowshovel: And again, it's very very Romo-ish...where the QB gets a lot of the blame, even though when you lose a game qfter putting up 45 points,


I remember in Denver it was always the defense's fault. Sure, they often gave up 30+ in losses, but the offense was also regularly scoring 10 or fewer points. Can't blame only the defense when you can't manage a couple touchdowns behind the best line in the league and with Brandon Marshall.
 
2014-08-11 12:17:03 PM
skrame:  liekly

What is this? I don't even know.
 
2014-08-11 01:14:26 PM

IAmRight: SharkaPult: The ranks of those defenses that McCown put of those OUTSTANDING numbers, all middle of the pack or outright terrible: Pack Cowboys and Vikings I think were all 25 or lower, Redskins were 22nd. Rams might have been 19th.
Redskins, Packers,Rams, Cowboys, and Vikings. And then the Ravens (9th) If McCown didn't have the monster 4 TD game against a Cowboys team that straight up quit in the Chicago winter his numbers would have been absolutely pedestrian and forgetable. Under McCown the team struggled to score more than 20 points a game. (aside from the Cowboys game, of course.)
/200 yards and a TD 200 yards and a TD 200 yards 2 TDs and an INT sort of lines across the board.


So all Cutler needs to look good is a great WR corps, good offensive line, good running backs, solid defense, AND to go against bad defenses.

Chicago's fanbase in regard to QBs is a good example of lowered expectations.


Way to tilt at a windmill. What I was saying was McCown had (your words now...) "a great WR corps, good offensive line, good running backs, solid defense, AND to go against bad defenses " (And no one thought the Bears had anything close to a solid defense last year, and if you did think that I do believe that would be the stupidest thing written on the sports tab, possibly ever) and guess what? He was completely pedestrian.
Nothing special, certainly worse than Cutler, and there's a reason he's fighting for a starting job in the QB hell known as Tampa. He couldn't put up more than 20 points against Minnesota (!!!) last year. Cutler's numbers were better across the rest of the season and against far better competition.
People here in Chi-town remember the absolute curbstomping against a bad Cowboys defense and think that is what McCown did for 5 games. I however seem to remember the "20 point wall" that the Bears couldn't seem to break with McCown, how stupidly out of place the offense looked in St Louis and the 2 OT games against really bad teams (Vikes and Ravens).
You can continue hating Cutler and knee-jerking. It is after all kind of what you do around here.

You are correct. McCown was the second coming of Breesus to Chicago. The Bears are WAY closer to winning the Super Bowl with McCown instead of Cutler. After McCown wasn't re-signed by the Bears teams like the Jets, Oakland, St Louis, Miami, Buffalo, Houston, Minnesota, and Cleveland all scrambled to sign him to replace the back-ups they had starting.
Oh Wait. Right. They didn't. Its like the rest of the league said "Wow that guy is basically exactly the same as our guy except older and without as much talent." There's a reason McCown has been on like 9 different teams. Its not because he's great.

TL/DR:
Cutler AT BEST places somewhere between 14th and 8th best QB in the league.
McCown is in the low 30s or 40s right now. Seriously.
 
2014-08-11 01:28:33 PM
spielbergfanclub.com
 
2014-08-11 01:38:30 PM

SharkaPult: (And no one thought the Bears had anything close to a solid defense last year, and if you did think that I do believe that would be the stupidest thing written on the sports tab, possibly ever) and guess what?


No no, that's one of the criteria for Cutler to win. You'll note that they didn't make the playoffs last year.

I'm saying that McCown performed about as well as Cutler and McCown's an extremely replaceable backup QB around the league.

SharkaPult: Cutler's numbers were better across the rest of the season and against far better competition.


If by "better" you mean worse YPA, worse passer rating, worse TD percentage, worse completion percentage, worse interception percentage, worse...well, everything. Now yes, you might attribute that to the crappy Ds.

/no one said McCown is great. But he can provide 95% of what Cutler provides and he's, in comparison, free. And I've never heard someone pretend he's a franchise QB
 
2014-08-11 08:54:09 PM

abhorrent1: eagles95: italie: $4 million for amusement tax? Okay. BTW, here is a counter bill for $4 million, the cost of putting down some decent got-damn turf.

OMG THIS!! Your field makes Heinz Field look like Wimbeldon

Soldier field is owned by the park district not the Bears. I don't think they don't pay for re-sodding the field. Though who know. Maybe they agree split it which is BS because the park district uses it for concerts and stuff which is what tears it up.


Yeah, kinda the point of the comment. The bears need to grow a pair and say fark-you to the county and throw down a real surface.
 
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