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    More: Misc, Dostoyevsky, Will Self, Jean-Paul Sartre, social solidarity, Brothers Karamazov  
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2014-08-10 09:19:24 AM  
Whatever.
 
2014-08-10 09:20:43 AM  

Destructor: Whatever.


Meh.
 
2014-08-10 10:28:32 AM  

Son of Thunder: Destructor: Whatever.

Meh.

 
2014-08-10 10:30:00 AM  
But, Fark just taught me that they will be happy because they will never be disappointed? I'm guess I'm happy for them
 
2014-08-10 10:33:13 AM  
Man, that article was just one fallacy after another. A specious argument at best.
 
2014-08-10 10:33:18 AM  
At least it's an ethos.
 
2014-08-10 10:34:23 AM  
Anyone see right away that it was Aimee Mann's toe?

I was like - "Check it out  - that's Aimee Mann" and everybody else was "Nuh uh", but I was vindicated by IMDB.
 
2014-08-10 10:35:00 AM  
Too .. whatever ..
 
2014-08-10 10:36:15 AM  
Blegh
 
2014-08-10 10:38:47 AM  
Unlike the author, I believe in editors.
 
2014-08-10 10:38:55 AM  
Author deliberately conflates nihilism with Thelema. 'Do what thou wilt ' doesn't mean 'anything goes' asshole.
 
2014-08-10 10:41:36 AM  
I got as far as the first sentence:

"In Dostoevsky's great metaphysical whodunit, The Brothers Karamazov, the main philosophical point of the novel - inasmuch as it has one - comes early on."

Ooooh, "inasmuch as it has one," you must be really clever.
 
2014-08-10 10:42:19 AM  
If someone paid you $450M to be a nihilist when you were 22, would it change you?
 
2014-08-10 11:02:01 AM  
As we grow older, and perhaps take on the responsibility for other, putatively autonomous lives, we may find it hard to get them to tidy up their rooms if we've brought them up to believe that human existence is a series of fundamentally meaningless actes gratuits.

Clean your room because Jesus?

Say what you will about the tenets of atheism, but at least it's coherent.
 
2014-08-10 11:03:48 AM  
news.bbcimg.co.uk

Why the long face?
 
2014-08-10 11:16:59 AM  
Granted, I had a long night, but damn that made my head hurt. It's all good to be locquosious and verbose and have a broad vocabulary expressing a philosophical point. Damnit man. Try to actually say something.
I guess I'm not alone on this one.
 
2014-08-10 11:21:04 AM  
Soooooo...if you have kids you have to believe in god for life to have meaning? Or something?

Dafuq?

This gem was good for a laugh: "The problem with our contemporary secular beliefs is that they're either makeshift, or entered into unconsciously, simply as a necessary operating system for our busy and digitised lives."

That essentially means the exact opposite of what he thinks it means. Honestly, it may be literally impossible to make less sense. I could say "light is dark" and that would make more sense predicated on the idea that the absense and presence of the other is required for either to exist.

But 'secular beliefs are makeshift or unconscious'? That's just stupid.
 
2014-08-10 11:21:40 AM  

broken jebus: [news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x171]

Why the long face?


i.imgur.com
 
2014-08-10 11:24:50 AM  
media.salon.com
 
2014-08-10 11:34:33 AM  
Towing Jehovah!

/obscure?
 
2014-08-10 11:36:06 AM  
I Believe
Yes I believe
more i cannot say.
what more can i say?   -J Lennon.
 
2014-08-10 11:37:08 AM  

Linux_Yes: I Believe
Yes I believe
more i cannot say.
what more can i say?   -J Lennon.


#9 Dream
 
2014-08-10 11:39:30 AM  
Must be exhausting.
 
2014-08-10 11:53:20 AM  
Well, there's the law. For one. Then there's the extremely rational 'prisoner's dilemma' sense that you want to be treated fairly so others do it to you as well.
 
2014-08-10 12:08:02 PM  

Linux_Yes: I Believe
Yes I believe
more i cannot say.
what more can i say?   -J Lennon.


Relax. What is mind? No Matter.
What is Matter? Never Mind.
                                          -H. Simpson
 
2014-08-10 12:17:53 PM  
Having "no beliefs" is in it's self a belief, a belief that everyone else's beliefs are wrong or at least irrelevant.
 
2014-08-10 12:26:43 PM  
Only scanned TFA but seems they're talking about religion? Not caring about religion doesn't mean you don't care about anything, you farking tools.
 
2014-08-10 12:30:33 PM  
Over 1,000 words on nihilism, and Nietzsche doesn't even get a mention? Who pays this asshole to write?

Here is a brief summary of my beliefs on nihilism:

There is passive nihilism, is which we end up in a bad spot because we receive a belief system from outside of us, and when our experiences of reality fail to match up to it, we despair and assume that the world is meaningless. An example would be someone who loses their faith in God (a belief system handed to them by others).

Then there is active nihilism, in which a person confronts their inherited beliefs one-by-one and eliminates those that are not useful. This prevents the long, unintended slide into despair caused by passive nihilism, but requires a willingness to challenge the status quo that most lack.

I believe that it is our emotions alone that we can ultimately derive meaning from. Everything else are acts that support emotional contentment as a true end.
 
2014-08-10 12:45:09 PM  

broken jebus: [news.bbcimg.co.uk image 304x171]

Why the long face?


eil.com
 
2014-08-10 12:57:51 PM  

BlousyBrown: Linux_Yes: I Believe
Yes I believe
more i cannot say.
what more can i say?   -J Lennon.

Relax. What is mind? No Matter.
What is Matter? Never Mind.
                                          -H. Simpson



Those who write on bathroom walls
roll their sh*t into little balls
and those who read these words of wit
eat those little balls of sh*t.

--U.S. Capital (House of Rep.) bathroom wall.
 
2014-08-10 01:17:46 PM  
I believe in original sin
And I believe what I believe in
Yes I believe in, I believe in
I believe in the web of fate
And I believe, I'm goin' to be late
So I'll be leavin', what I believe in
 
2014-08-10 01:38:05 PM  
I have no beliefs...

...other than the belief that this should never have been greenlighted.
 
2014-08-10 02:03:26 PM  
I feel like I should say something about this, but...eh...
 
2014-08-10 02:13:05 PM  
Taking Self's point a bit further:   Right now, we (as civilians) are not educated into a default belief structure or a default set of ethical guidelines.   By the time we become adults, we kind of know what's bad (e.g. enforcing religious beliefs on others, being inconsiderate, killing another person in most situations).     We argue on specific topics (gun rights, abortion, health care).   But there's no concept of what society as a should be working towards - or even a civil debate.

There seems to be a majority/societal agreement at this point that:

1.  No religion or that a single religion should be imposed on everyone
2.  There is no knowable universal set of truths that should be imposed on everyone
3.  Extreme centralization of political power is a bad thing

That's an extremely vague set of guidelines for us to lead our lives as individuals, as social groups, and as citizens and it seems that we're running on inertia and new law is devolving to the least common denominator - Capitalism first, with a mix of the latest popular sentiment on social issues.    I don't know what the result of that is, but it can't be good.
 
2014-08-10 02:21:34 PM  
So belief, religion, all human attempts to understand and find our place in the complex and strange world we find ourselves in, it's all a control mechanism to get your children to tidy up their rooms?

The author needs either more, or less drugs.
 
2014-08-10 02:29:25 PM  
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2014-08-10 02:56:25 PM  
Ahem... Atheism is a trait, not a total philosophical stance. So you get secular humanism, which is atheistic. Lenin and Mao tried an atheistic communism, but really they just elevated the head of state to that of god. I don't feel like saying anything else on this topic.
 
2014-08-10 05:18:40 PM  
But is it really true to say we have no beliefs? After all, if we truly believed nothing it would be difficult for us to operate in a world where everyone else behaves as if they did believe in something, that something being - by and large - the efficiency and reliability of the technologies we rely on for our daily life. When we push button A we very much expect B to happen, when we flick a light switch we anticipate the light going on. We may not understand the minutiae of wiring, but we know someone who does, so we've outsourced this particular belief - in domestic electricity - to someone qualified to hold it. It's the same with whole swathes of our existence - they depend upon beliefs that we hold on trust, rather than because we've personally empirically verified them. In an earlier era it would've been said that we had faith in electric lights.

wtf did I just read
 
2014-08-10 05:55:45 PM  

Summoner101: At least it's an ethos.


We're talking about nihilism, not National Socialism, here.  Try to keep up.
 
2014-08-10 05:58:09 PM  
Came for the Star Wars.  Thought this was about Darth Nihilist.  Leaving disappointed.
 
2014-08-10 06:20:12 PM  
FTA: The great believers in the wonder of the universe, as revealed to us by science, seem to have considerable difficulty in either galvanising us to social solidarity, or providing us with true solace. I've yet to hear of anyone going gently into that dark night on the basis that she or he is happily anticipating their dissolution into cosmic dust, nor do I witness multitudes assembling in order that they may sing the periodic table together, or recite prime numbers in plain chant. By contrast, religious beliefs continue to offer many people genuine succour....

I personally have gained a lot of comfort from Cosmos (both old and new) recently. Knowing that we are all star dust and that eventually the atoms that have come together to make me and everyone else will be a part of some else entirely in the future, makes me care greatly for all those around me a lot more than before. I know that we are all here for a brief moment in time and eventually we will all be gone. I will cease to be and that is a comfort too.
 
2014-08-10 06:27:22 PM  

Dangl1ng: I personally have gained a lot of comfort from Cosmos (both old and new) recently. Knowing that we are all star dust and that eventually the atoms that have come together to make me and everyone else will be a part of some else entirely in the future, makes me care greatly for all those around me a lot more than before. I know that we are all here for a brief moment in time and eventually we will all be gone. I will cease to be and that is a comfort too.


s2.quickmeme.com
 
2014-08-10 08:11:29 PM  
No one is as world-weary as the young.
 
2014-08-11 12:32:42 AM  
Those are an awful lot of grown-up words for a person who can't understand supply and demand.  The eternal life scenario isn't what makes people seek adventure. YOLO
 
2014-08-11 07:58:08 AM  

Linux_Yes: BlousyBrown: Linux_Yes: I Believe
Yes I believe
more i cannot say.
what more can i say?   -J Lennon.

Relax. What is mind? No Matter.
What is Matter? Never Mind.
                                          -H. Simpson


Those who write on bathroom walls
roll their sh*t into little balls
and those who read these words of wit
eat those little balls of sh*t.

--U.S. Capital (House of Rep.) bathroom wall.


I just want to believe that somewhere in the bathrooms of Congress is a sign that reads: "WARNING: Do Not Eat The Urinal Cakes."
 
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