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(Den of Geek (US))   Steven Moffat on celebrating the ten-year anniversary of Doctor Who's return: "We've only just done the 50th. After doing a huge fuss over 50 years of Doctor Who....I think it's time to aim forward. We're not planning that. Unless I'm lying"   (denofgeek.us) divider line 26
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2014-08-10 12:49:22 AM
Yeah, he lies
 
2014-08-10 01:26:48 AM
For anyone hankering for a good Master/Doctor story might I suggest this:

img4.wikia.nocookie.net

I'm not usually one for licensed works but that was a damn fine read.
 
2014-08-10 04:24:59 AM
It will be next season's Christmas Special, and feature Danny Pink getting killed doing math while munching on celery. Five, Six and River will return (with Eleven in tow so he can keep Twelve from making moves on his wife). It will be revealed that Clara is actually a Gallifreyan whose twelfth incarnation was an infant, and placed in a chameleon arch, storing her timelord self in her human mother's ring instead of a fob watch. At the end of the episode, she becomes Gallifreyan again. Old age almost immediately fells her and she regenerates into Sarah Jane, spending another season with Twelve before going off to set up the scenario in which she meets Three. This thirteenth incarnation dies permanently after meeting Four, Ten and Eleven again, but Clara echoes remain, providing ways of returning to the show Rose only wished she had.

/Shiat, it's probably about as good as the stuff Moff comes up with.
 
2014-08-10 04:37:17 AM

cretinbob: Yeah, he lies


For as much as Moffat can sometimes go off the rails without anybody else to rein him in, I absolutely love how much he keeps me guessing.

As far as the quality of his writing... like I said, he needs someone to rein him in.  Every Moffat script when he was working under RTD was absolute genius.  The first few eps of his tenure as head writer were phenomenal too.  It was only when he started really feeling in control that I think things took a turn.  Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of good stuff in there, but he just needs someone else writing with him who will say "no, really, that's a little too much," AND have the power to actually make him stop there.
 
2014-08-10 05:21:01 AM

fusillade762: For anyone hankering for a good Master/Doctor story might I suggest this:

img4.wikia.nocookie.net

I'm not usually one for licensed works but that was a damn fine read.



Alastair Reynolds wrote a Doctor Who novel, and under his own name? That's awesome.

I'm sure he was a fan of the show in his youth and wanted to write a story with his favorite Doctor.
If that guy is willing to write a Doctor Who book, they should have him write some episodes for the TV show.
 
2014-08-10 05:26:10 AM
Doctor Who would be great if it had decent production value and less preaching. Still looks like it was shot in the 70's.
 
2014-08-10 06:02:27 AM

robohobo: Doctor Who would be great if it had decent production value and less preaching. Still looks like it was shot in the 70's.


Yeah, that'll happen. Funny how those classic-series episodes look so like they came from decades ago. The video quality off your VHS tapes makes the whole show look so dated and shoddy, huh? Especially on a 12-inch black-and-white TV with a rotary channel dial and coax-to-UHF-antenna-lead adapter. Boy, you'd think that after all this time the quality would have improved.
 
2014-08-10 06:17:07 AM

Grotesk: robohobo: Doctor Who would be great if it had decent production value and less preaching. Still looks like it was shot in the 70's.

Yeah, that'll happen. Funny how those classic-series episodes look so like they came from decades ago. The video quality off your VHS tapes makes the whole show look so dated and shoddy, huh? Especially on a 12-inch black-and-white TV with a rotary channel dial and coax-to-UHF-antenna-lead adapter. Boy, you'd think that after all this time the quality would have improved.


Snark aside, current episode look tremendously bad. You'd think they could shift some cash from the dole to production. It really does look terrible. Fark, 1997 Buffy had better value.
 
2014-08-10 07:11:10 AM

yukichigai: For as much as Moffat can sometimes go off the rails without anybody else to rein him in, I absolutely love how much he keeps me guessing.


I'll agree with that, but he lies.
At least I got official confirmation that Capaldi is 12, and 11's soliloquy about running out of regenerations, and the War Doctor counting etc was bullshiat. That was nice to get.
 
2014-08-10 07:42:12 AM

cretinbob: yukichigai: For as much as Moffat can sometimes go off the rails without anybody else to rein him in, I absolutely love how much he keeps me guessing.

I'll agree with that, but he lies.
At least I got official confirmation that Capaldi is 12, and 11's soliloquy about running out of regenerations, and the War Doctor counting etc was bullshiat. That was nice to get.


How was it bullshiat? The War Doctor counted as a REGENERATION, but not a Doctor (just for the simple reason that it is a pain to have to retroactively renumber 9 through 11). Since RTD did the stupid regeneration that didn't change the actor with 10, it kind of left Moffatt in a bind when Eccleston didn't want to come back for the 50th and he had to create a new Doctor to take his place in the story. He could either have ignored the extra regeneration with Tennant, but he chose to say fark it and reset the regeneration cycle so they don't have to worry about the count for another 30-40 years or so.

Since inserting the War Doctor makes a bit of a mess with the numbering, it just makes more sense to simply call Capaldi 12, since he is the 12th actor that fans will be able to think of as the Doctor for several years. Calling him the 13th or 14th would just add to the confusion already created by the behind the scenes stuff, just to accommodate the aspies in the fanbase.
 
2014-08-10 08:45:08 AM

yukichigai: cretinbob: Yeah, he lies

For as much as Moffat can sometimes go off the rails without anybody else to rein him in, I absolutely love how much he keeps me guessing.

As far as the quality of his writing... like I said, he needs someone to rein him in.  Every Moffat script when he was working under RTD was absolute genius.  The first few eps of his tenure as head writer were phenomenal too.  It was only when he started really feeling in control that I think things took a turn.  Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of good stuff in there, but he just needs someone else writing with him who will say "no, really, that's a little too much," AND have the power to actually make him stop there.


I hear people say that and really don't get it.  I thought the Matt Smith run was pretty terrific:  Season 5 in particular was a great arc, and I love the fact that there was a self-contained story arc that ran from Matt's first episode to his last.   Yes, not every story was great, but I thought the quality was higher than CE or DT's runs.

That said, I think Capaldi will be great.
 
2014-08-10 09:59:50 AM

Mad_Radhu: How was it bullshiat? The War Doctor counted as a REGENERATION, but not a Doctor (just for the simple reason that it is a pain to have to retroactively renumber 9 through 11). Since RTD did the stupid regeneration that didn't change the actor with 10, it kind of left Moffatt in a bind when Eccleston didn't want to come back for the 50th and he had to create a new Doctor to take his place in the story. He could either have ignored the extra regeneration with Tennant, but he chose to say fark it and reset the regeneration cycle so they don't have to worry about the count for another 30-40 years or so.

Since inserting the War Doctor makes a bit of a mess with the numbering, it just makes more sense to simply call Capaldi 12, since he is the 12th actor that fans will be able to think of as the Doctor for several years. Calling him the 13th or 14th would just add to the confusion already created by the behind the scenes stuff, just to accommodate the aspies in the fanbase.



The War Doctor was just a bad idea, period. It should have never been done. All the time I was watching the 50th Anniversary episode, I was thinking about how it would have been much better with Paul McGann as the 8th Doctor filling in the War Doctor's role. I have nothing against John Hurt, but casting him in that role was a huge mistake.

And then there's the part where Moffat brought Gallifrey back, but only kind of, sort of. The whole point of destroying the Doctor's home planet was to show the Doctor was faced with one huge crisis, an unimaginable tragedy he was unable to solve by time travel, hitting a conveniently placed button, or a half-assed plan that he thought of on the spot. All thru the new series, it was the tragedy that defined the character of the Doctor. He faced something much larger than himself, and lost.

And then he was able to bring his home planet back with time travel, hitting a conveniently placed button, and a half-assed plan that he thought of on the spot. And got a whole new series of regenerations on the spot without any sacrifice at all. It broke the narrative.
 
2014-08-10 10:13:20 AM

yukichigai: For as much as Moffat can sometimes go off the rails without anybody else to rein him in, I absolutely love how much he keeps me guessing.


It's okay.  I'm pretty sure Moffat keeps Moffat guessing, too.
 
2014-08-10 10:20:29 AM
The BBC could just rebroadcast the whole Chris Eccleston season...that would be cool
 
2014-08-10 12:45:30 PM
Enjoying this: Serious Whovian geekery prevails. Looking forward to Capaldi.
 
2014-08-10 01:50:52 PM
Re-watching the X-Files makes me realize how similar Dana Scully's role is to a Doctor Who companion and how she would've she would have been. Think of what a series ending that would be. Mulder and Scully investigate the appearance of an old English police box and a strange man with incredible powers of self-healing in San Francisco. After an adventure involving the total public exposure of a conspiracy where the government was creating an army of half-human/half-machines in a project led by a cigarette-smoking man who turns out to be a long time enemy of the Doctor.

In the end Mulder finally finds peace when the trio discovers his sister and rescues her just before she is turned into one of these cyber-humans. Upon entering the TARDIS Mulder says "Actually I always thought it would be bigger than this on the inside". Scully realizes that the truth is really out there and upon the Doctor's invitation she says a tearful farewell to Mulder and the final scene is the light of the TARDIS flickering in Mulder's face and the familiar sound of the TARDIS taking of as tears of happiness trickle down Fox's cheeks as he holds tightly to his sister.
 
2014-08-10 02:16:09 PM

yukichigai: cretinbob: Yeah, he lies

For as much as Moffat can sometimes go off the rails without anybody else to rein him in, I absolutely love how much he keeps me guessing.

As far as the quality of his writing... like I said, he needs someone to rein him in.  Every Moffat script when he was working under RTD was absolute genius.  The first few eps of his tenure as head writer were phenomenal too.  It was only when he started really feeling in control that I think things took a turn.  Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of good stuff in there, but he just needs someone else writing with him who will say "no, really, that's a little too much," AND have the power to actually make him stop there.


Seems to me he's really good at writing the characters and characterization, but when it comes to plots he could give two daleks - because it's all timey wimey nonsense anyways.
 
2014-08-10 02:25:25 PM

dramatools: It will be next season's Christmas Special, and feature Danny Pink getting killed doing math while munching on celery. Five, Six and River will return (with Eleven in tow so he can keep Twelve from making moves on his wife). It will be revealed that Clara is actually a Gallifreyan whose twelfth incarnation was an infant, and placed in a chameleon arch, storing her timelord self in her human mother's ring instead of a fob watch. At the end of the episode, she becomes Gallifreyan again. Old age almost immediately fells her and she regenerates into Sarah Jane, spending another season with Twelve before going off to set up the scenario in which she meets Three. This thirteenth incarnation dies permanently after meeting Four, Ten and Eleven again, but Clara echoes remain, providing ways of returning to the show Rose only wished she had.

/Shiat, it's probably about as good as the stuff Moff comes up with.


Jesus, my head hurts now following that. Which is to say it was brilliant.
 
2014-08-10 02:45:36 PM

dennysgod: The BBC could just rebroadcast the whole Chris Eccleston season...that would be cool


it's available on Amazon Prime streaming if you missed it.
 
2014-08-10 03:05:52 PM

dennysgod: The BBC could just rebroadcast the whole Chris Eccleston season...that would NOT be cool


Seriously.  That season was shiat.  The writing was awful, the production was awful.  The acting was worse.  If I hadn't have known that it got better after that, I wouldn't have continued watching.
 
2014-08-10 03:39:15 PM

bborchar: dennysgod: The BBC could just rebroadcast the whole Chris Eccleston season...that would NOT be cool

Seriously.  That season was shiat.  The writing was awful, the production was awful.  The acting was worse.  If I hadn't have known that it got better after that, I wouldn't have continued watching.


It was a bit of a struggle at times, but to say Father's Day, The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, Dalek, and The Parting of the ways was "shiat" is an asinine statement.  I would take any of those episodes over any of the last season of Matt Smith's run, which had one or two watchable episodes, at most.
 
2014-08-10 04:06:03 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: bborchar: dennysgod: The BBC could just rebroadcast the whole Chris Eccleston season...that would NOT be cool

Seriously.  That season was shiat.  The writing was awful, the production was awful.  The acting was worse.  If I hadn't have known that it got better after that, I wouldn't have continued watching.

It was a bit of a struggle at times, but to say Father's Day, The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, Dalek, and The Parting of the ways was "shiat" is an asinine statement.  I would take any of those episodes over any of the last season of Matt Smith's run, which had one or two watchable episodes, at most.


The Empty Child and The Doctor Dances were good. The rest grated on my nerves.

And of course you would, because you come into every Doctor Who thread to complain about Moffat.
 
2014-08-10 04:12:47 PM

Mad_Radhu: Calling him the 13th or 14th would just add to the confusion already created by the behind the scenes stuff, just to accommodate the aspies in the fanbase.


He was still The Doctor because in the end he ended up not making the decision that made the others shun him. Counting out Capaldi should be 14, even though he called himself 13.

But yes, you are right, it's easier to call him 12.

//the real number of Dcotors is infinite
 
2014-08-11 03:02:23 AM

cretinbob: Mad_Radhu: Calling him the 13th or 14th would just add to the confusion already created by the behind the scenes stuff, just to accommodate the aspies in the fanbase.

He was still The Doctor because in the end he ended up not making the decision that made the others shun him. Counting out Capaldi should be 14, even though he called himself 13.

But yes, you are right, it's easier to call him 12.

//the real number of Dcotors is infinite


As Moffat pointed out (to much shrill, insane shrieking from the anti-Moffat crowd) numbering The Doctor is not canon.  He doesn't call himself "The Nth Doctor", he's just The Doctor.

Capaldi could be the 200th regeneration, he'd still be "The 12th Doctor".

/I think Moffat's just getting a kick out of saying stuff the Moffat-haters can deliberately misconstrue now
//I wish they'd just stop watching the show, rather than spewing their constant hate over everything
 
2014-08-11 04:32:17 AM

if_i_really_have_to: He doesn't call himself "The Nth Doctor", he's just The Doctor.


Except in The Lodger, he head butts Craig in a sort of mind-melt to explain about regenerations and the TARDIS and gestures at his own face and calls it "Eleventh." So there's that.

DOCTOR: Right. Only way. I'm going to show you something, but shush. Really, shush. Oh, I am going to regret this. Okay, right. First, general background.
(The Doctor head butts Craig.)
CRAIG: Argh.
(There is a very rapid montage.)
CRAIG: Oh.
DOCTOR: Ow.
CRAIG: You're a
DOCTOR: Yes.
CRAIG: From
DOCTOR: Shush.
CRAIG: You've got a Tardis.
DOCTOR: Yes. Shush. Eleventh. Right. Okay, specific detail.
(source)
 
2014-08-11 08:43:24 AM

if_i_really_have_to: As Moffat pointed out (to much shrill, insane shrieking from the anti-Moffat crowd) numbering The Doctor is not canon. He doesn't call himself "The Nth Doctor", he's just The Doctor.

Capaldi could be the 200th regeneration, he'd still be "The 12th Doctor".

/I think Moffat's just getting a kick out of saying stuff the Moffat-haters can deliberately misconstrue now


Except for an interview in DWM, where he said that he thought the War Doctor should not be counted and therefore gave the specific number, which was integral to the "mystery" of Matt Smith's regeneration.  Frankly, the whole "numbers" thing is tiresome, but let's avoid pretending that Moffat doesn't just make random, nonsensical shiat up, both in his interviews and in his shows.
 
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