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2014-08-10 12:21:29 AM
news.bbcimg.co.uk

Some Donetsk residents have been trying to secure their houses in case the conflict gets too close


What is that plastic sheeting going to accomplish? Is it bullet proof?
 
2014-08-10 03:00:34 AM
Gas proof? :(
 
2014-08-10 03:02:06 AM
Forget it man, cuz it's gone
 
2014-08-10 03:08:27 AM
tl;dr....
Ukraine: "We're winning. Let the people out and some food in before we tighten the noose"
SpetsnazFreedom-Loving Peaceful Ukrainian-Russian Friendship Committee: "We're losing. Quick. We need a ceasefire and nine or ten armored brigades or Russian spontaneous volunteers"
 
2014-08-10 03:29:49 AM

anuran: tl;dr....
Ukraine: "We're winning. Let the people out and some food in before we tighten the noose"
SpetsnazFreedom-Loving Peaceful Ukrainian-Russian Friendship Committee: "We're losing. Quick. We need a ceasefire and nine or ten armored brigades or Russian spontaneous volunteers"


All the ex-Spetsnaz are long gone back over the border, the head guy of the rebellion is now home-grown.  That's why the Ukrainian army has finally had progress, after the downing of the plane it was game over.
 
2014-08-10 03:38:25 AM
You misread the statements a bit.

"Meanwhile, pro-Russian separatists have called for a ceasefire in Donetsk to avert a "humanitarian catastrophe" does not mean "ah, we are losing, we need help!". It means "nice city of Donetsk you have here, Ukraine, with actual real people. It would be a pity if something is to happen with it, eh?"

As for the Russia, they aren't going to send anyone in, I think. Russia is perfectly okay with separatists losing as long as the fighting will cause enough harm to civilians living in the region so that the economy will be completely destroyed and the people will never forget the fighting.

And the people living there will blame Ukraine for that. Russian propaganda will take care of it; they are confident in it and rightly so. There are decades of economic struggle ahead for Ukraine, and guess who will be the representatives from Eastern Ukraine in Ukrainian parliament?

As for Poroshenko, he is very aware of this all and obviously is trying to diminish suffering of people of the region, but there is not much he can do. He can't starve defenders out, he can't send in food - that would not be taken lightly by the rest of Ukraine, "feeding traitors with our money". He can't let Russian help in - for obvious reasons, an Europeans aren't particularly in a hurry to feed millions of people in a warzone for free, eh?
 
2014-08-10 03:39:31 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: anuran: tl;dr....
Ukraine: "We're winning. Let the people out and some food in before we tighten the noose"
SpetsnazFreedom-Loving Peaceful Ukrainian-Russian Friendship Committee: "We're losing. Quick. We need a ceasefire and nine or ten armored brigades or Russian spontaneous volunteers"

All the ex-Spetsnaz are long gone back over the border, the head guy of the rebellion is now home-grown.  That's why the Ukrainian army has finally had progress, after the downing of the plane it was game over.


Yep. You kill over 100 civilians you are shiat out of luck. Russia finally realized that if they continued they would be even more screwed.
 
2014-08-10 03:47:05 AM
Thanks, Obama.
 
2014-08-10 03:48:50 AM
As for the pictures and plastic sheeting - you obviously haven't been in a warzone for a while. First of all, plastic sheeting is cheap, and if put on the inside, may protect the people inside the room from glass exploding in after a close detonation.

In the picture itself I think the window already has no glass, so plastic sheeting protects the room from the elements. It's actually quite common, to see broken windows replaced with plastic in a warzone. Cheaper, eh.
 
2014-08-10 04:47:20 AM
This week:
Rossiyskaya Gazeta (Russian government daily newspaper of record): Eat local food
img.lrytas.lt


2010:
PM Putin meets President Mevedev, brings Lithuanian bread from Russian Agricultural Exhibition Golden Autumn
 
2014-08-10 04:53:30 AM

fusillade762: [news.bbcimg.co.uk image 624x351]

Some Donetsk residents have been trying to secure their houses in case the conflict gets too close


What is that plastic sheeting going to accomplish? Is it bullet proof?


They are probably replacing glass with plastic, because in case of a nearby explosion it won't turn into razor sharp shrapnel flying through their living room.
 
2014-08-10 07:01:39 AM

Dansker: They are probably replacing glass with plastic, because in case of a nearby explosion it won't turn into razor sharp shrapnel flying through their living room.


This.
 
2014-08-10 07:06:44 AM
Buh...buh... World War III?
 
2014-08-10 07:17:13 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: the head guy of the rebellion is now home-grown.


You mean Igor Strelkov, Russian citizen from Moscow?
 
2014-08-10 07:20:51 AM

LewDux: This week:
Rossiyskaya Gazeta (Russian government daily newspaper of record): Eat local food
[img.lrytas.lt image 662x487]


2010:
PM Putin meets President Mevedev, brings Lithuanian bread from Russian Agricultural Exhibition Golden Autumn


wow. who knew pooty-poot had such a bichin' stereo?
that dude must really like to rock the dacha.
 
2014-08-10 07:30:39 AM

elvisaintdead: LewDux: This week:
Rossiyskaya Gazeta (Russian government daily newspaper of record): Eat local food
[img.lrytas.lt image 662x487]


2010:
PM Putin meets President Mevedev, brings Lithuanian bread from Russian Agricultural Exhibition Golden Autumn

wow. who knew pooty-poot had such a bichin' stereo?
that dude must really like to rock the dacha.


It was Medvedev's residence at the time. He's liberal one, probably listens to swing
 
2014-08-10 08:20:41 AM

elvisaintdead: LewDux: This week:
Rossiyskaya Gazeta (Russian government daily newspaper of record): Eat local food
[img.lrytas.lt image 662x487]


2010:
PM Putin meets President Mevedev, brings Lithuanian bread from Russian Agricultural Exhibition Golden Autumn

wow. who knew pooty-poot had such a bichin' stereo?
that dude must really like to rock the dacha.


And reel to reel, too.  They're the best.

/Putin kicks out the jams, motherfark!
 
2014-08-10 09:05:05 AM

Warchild: Dansker: They are probably replacing glass with plastic, because in case of a nearby explosion it won't turn into razor sharp shrapnel flying through their living room.

This.


Your username makes your "This" sound disturbingly poignant.
And thanks for TF!
 
2014-08-10 09:05:46 AM
Resident Dmitry Andronov said: "We're afraid of the Ukrainian army, which is firing on the city, and of the rebels... who are robbing and killing civilians."

You heard it straight from the system administrator, the "rebels" are Russian soldiers.  Further west, the real 15,000 Russians "stranded" in Bulgarian beach resorts could probably use offers of asylum since their own Russia is populated by Russian soldiers.
 
2014-08-10 09:59:27 AM

zimbomba63: elvisaintdead: LewDux: This week:
Rossiyskaya Gazeta (Russian government daily newspaper of record): Eat local food
[img.lrytas.lt image 662x487]


2010:
PM Putin meets President Mevedev, brings Lithuanian bread from Russian Agricultural Exhibition Golden Autumn

wow. who knew pooty-poot had such a bichin' stereo?
that dude must really like to rock the dacha.

And reel to reel, too.  They're the best.

/Putin kicks out the jams, motherfark!


Those Rooskies love the retro-technology!!
 
2014-08-10 10:07:11 AM

Snazzy1: zimbomba63: elvisaintdead: LewDux: This week:
Rossiyskaya Gazeta (Russian government daily newspaper of record): Eat local food
[img.lrytas.lt image 662x487]


2010:
PM Putin meets President Mevedev, brings Lithuanian bread from Russian Agricultural Exhibition Golden Autumn

wow. who knew pooty-poot had such a bichin' stereo?
that dude must really like to rock the dacha.

And reel to reel, too.  They're the best.

/Putin kicks out the jams, motherfark!

Those Rooskies love the retro-technology!!


In russia, 8 tracks you!

LewDux: It was Medvedev's residence at the time. He's liberal one, probably listens to swing


seeing those big-ass speakers (and the reel-to-reel) killed me.
you just know that room and building are really old and ornate and beautiful. literally built for royalty.

and then there's those technics speakers w/ the 17" woofers.....
 
2014-08-10 10:20:46 AM

LewDux: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: the head guy of the rebellion is now home-grown.

You mean Igor Strelkov, Russian citizen from Moscow?


Igor "Shooter"-kov is probably now Igor Ermperhapsiwasabittoohastykov.
 
2014-08-10 10:30:13 AM

elvisaintdead: Snazzy1: zimbomba63: elvisaintdead: LewDux: This week:
Rossiyskaya Gazeta (Russian government daily newspaper of record): Eat local food
[img.lrytas.lt image 662x487]


2010:
PM Putin meets President Mevedev, brings Lithuanian bread from Russian Agricultural Exhibition Golden Autumn

wow. who knew pooty-poot had such a bichin' stereo?
that dude must really like to rock the dacha.

And reel to reel, too.  They're the best.

/Putin kicks out the jams, motherfark!

Those Rooskies love the retro-technology!!

In russia, 8 tracks you!

LewDux: It was Medvedev's residence at the time. He's liberal one, probably listens to swing

seeing those big-ass speakers (and the reel-to-reel) killed me.
you just know that room and building are really old and ornate and beautiful. literally built for royalty.

and then there's those technics speakers w/ the 17" woofers.....


Not kidding: reel to reel > LP > CD
 
2014-08-10 10:50:35 AM
Pass me the Tatar sauce ..
 
2014-08-10 11:37:50 AM

zimbomba63: Not kidding: reel to reel > LP > CD


You might be a hipster if...

So, no.  For sound quality CD stomps the other two.  SACD or DVD-A is somewhat better than CD, but you probably can't hear the difference.

And reel to reel suffers from the same problems cassette tape has.  The only tape-based format worth even bothering with at all was DAT, and that's kind of pointless now.

And no, your 19th century technology record player isn't better than CD either, it's far worse.
 
2014-08-10 11:50:13 AM

DarkVader: zimbomba63: Not kidding: reel to reel > LP > CD

You might be a hipster if...

So, no.  For sound quality CD stomps the other two. SACD or DVD-A is somewhat better than CD, but you probably can't hear the difference.

And reel to reel suffers from the same problems cassette tape has.  The only tape-based format worth even bothering with at all was DAT, and that's kind of pointless now.

And no, your 19th century technology record player isn't better than CD either, it's far worse.


1) Will be 64 Tuesday, so too old to be a hipster.  All my equipment is old and the albums were bought in the 60"s, 70's and 80's.

2) That's not the way I hear it or understand it.
 
2014-08-10 11:58:09 AM

zimbomba63: DarkVader: zimbomba63: Not kidding: reel to reel > LP > CD

You might be a hipster if...

So, no.  For sound quality CD stomps the other two. SACD or DVD-A is somewhat better than CD, but you probably can't hear the difference.

And reel to reel suffers from the same problems cassette tape has.  The only tape-based format worth even bothering with at all was DAT, and that's kind of pointless now.

And no, your 19th century technology record player isn't better than CD either, it's far worse.

1) Will be 64 Tuesday, so too old to be a hipster.  All my equipment is old and the albums were bought in the 60"s, 70's and 80's.

2) That's not the way I hear it or understand it.


You might be interested in this:

Cleaning a vinyl record with wood glue
 
2014-08-10 12:32:53 PM

tgambitg: zimbomba63: DarkVader: zimbomba63: Not kidding: reel to reel > LP > CD

You might be a hipster if...

So, no.  For sound quality CD stomps the other two. SACD or DVD-A is somewhat better than CD, but you probably can't hear the difference.

And reel to reel suffers from the same problems cassette tape has.  The only tape-based format worth even bothering with at all was DAT, and that's kind of pointless now.

And no, your 19th century technology record player isn't better than CD either, it's far worse.

1) Will be 64 Tuesday, so too old to be a hipster.  All my equipment is old and the albums were bought in the 60"s, 70's and 80's.

2) That's not the way I hear it or understand it.

You might be interested in this:

Cleaning a vinyl record with wood glue


Thanks for the info!  I've never heard of this method and have multiple milk crates of albums needing cleaning.  I hope wood glue comes in 5 gallon buckets ;)
 
TWX
2014-08-10 12:40:37 PM

zimbomba63: tgambitg: zimbomba63: DarkVader: zimbomba63: Not kidding: reel to reel > LP > CD

You might be a hipster if...

So, no.  For sound quality CD stomps the other two. SACD or DVD-A is somewhat better than CD, but you probably can't hear the difference.

And reel to reel suffers from the same problems cassette tape has.  The only tape-based format worth even bothering with at all was DAT, and that's kind of pointless now.

And no, your 19th century technology record player isn't better than CD either, it's far worse.

1) Will be 64 Tuesday, so too old to be a hipster.  All my equipment is old and the albums were bought in the 60"s, 70's and 80's.

2) That's not the way I hear it or understand it.

You might be interested in this:

Cleaning a vinyl record with wood glue

Thanks for the info!  I've never heard of this method and have multiple milk crates of albums needing cleaning.  I hope wood glue comes in 5 gallon buckets ;)


It does, for mass-manufacturing and mass-carpentry purposes, but you're probably better off buying a case of smaller units so it doesn't go bad after being open for too long.

/pretty sure that wood glue is aerobic in nature
 
2014-08-10 02:21:53 PM
A thread about Putin turned into a woodworking thread.
Can't figure out a smart thing to say.
/will just shutup then
 
2014-08-10 02:23:44 PM
I've got it!  These are my two favorite subjects!
/hate putin, love woodworking
 
2014-08-10 02:32:56 PM

fusillade762: [news.bbcimg.co.uk image 624x351]

Some Donetsk residents have been trying to secure their houses in case the conflict gets too close


What is that plastic sheeting going to accomplish? Is it bullet proof?


Vapor barrier. It gets covered with that corrugated crap they are putting up in the next window over.
 
2014-08-10 02:34:45 PM

BorisSimon: I've got it!  These are my two favorite subjects!
/hate putin, love woodworking


What about the audiophile stuff?  That's important, too.
 
2014-08-10 02:37:44 PM

BorisSimon: A thread about Putin turned into a woodworking thread.


So, typical  far-(right/left) Putin-related discussion?
 
2014-08-10 02:46:29 PM

Grahor: You misread the statements a bit.

"Meanwhile, pro-Russian separatists have called for a ceasefire in Donetsk to avert a "humanitarian catastrophe" does not mean "ah, we are losing, we need help!". It means "nice city of Donetsk you have here, Ukraine, with actual real people. It would be a pity if something is to happen with it, eh?"

As for the Russia, they aren't going to send anyone in, I think. Russia is perfectly okay with separatists losing as long as the fighting will cause enough harm to civilians living in the region so that the economy will be completely destroyed and the people will never forget the fighting.

And the people living there will blame Ukraine for that. Russian propaganda will take care of it; they are confident in it and rightly so. There are decades of economic struggle ahead for Ukraine, and guess who will be the representatives from Eastern Ukraine in Ukrainian parliament?

As for Poroshenko, he is very aware of this all and obviously is trying to diminish suffering of people of the region, but there is not much he can do. He can't starve defenders out, he can't send in food - that would not be taken lightly by the rest of Ukraine, "feeding traitors with our money". He can't let Russian help in - for obvious reasons, an Europeans aren't particularly in a hurry to feed millions of people in a warzone for free, eh?


I'd like to think that Europeans, of all people, would remember the long-term benefits of feeding millions of people and rebuilding economies in the aftermath of a war.
 
2014-08-10 03:47:19 PM

zimbomba63: BorisSimon: I've got it!  These are my two favorite subjects!
/hate putin, love woodworking

What about the audiophile stuff?  That's important, too.


Yes, I was an audiophile long time ago, had  some of the top of the line ( at the time) equipment, but since got married it all went away. Wife and hi-end audio usually don't get along; Magnaplanars are too big, ams/preamps also take up too much room and too hot, air cushion tonearm is too fragile to even breathe on, etc. Wife was not aloud to use any of it. And too expensive overall. So, only Putin and woodworking left to fill the void.
 
2014-08-10 03:53:29 PM

brimed03: I'd like to think that Europeans, of all people, would remember the long-term benefits of feeding millions of people and rebuilding economies in the aftermath of a war.


Well, in theory, the will is there, but in practice - the money aren't. Also, it is necessary to consider the logistics and the problem of corruption in Ukraine.
 
2014-08-10 04:35:02 PM

DarkVader: zimbomba63: Not kidding: reel to reel > LP > CD

You might be a hipster if...

So, no.  For sound quality CD stomps the other two.  SACD or DVD-A is somewhat better than CD, but you probably can't hear the difference.

And reel to reel suffers from the same problems cassette tape has.  The only tape-based format worth even bothering with at all was DAT, and that's kind of pointless now.

And no, your 19th century technology record player isn't better than CD either, it's far worse.


If it's decent quality vinyl, it should have better sound quality then CD only for the first 2-3 plays.  And that's only if you have a a great hi-fi.  Most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference if they're not paying attention, and difference negligible anyways.  I listen to my music on various media, but for me it's the music, not the format that matters.
 
2014-08-11 05:32:35 AM

Grahor: brimed03: I'd like to think that Europeans, of all people, would remember the long-term benefits of feeding millions of people and rebuilding economies in the aftermath of a war.

Well, in theory, the will is there, but in practice - the money aren't. Also, it is necessary to consider the logistics and the problem of corruption in Ukraine.


Was the money "there" for the Marshall Plan? Seriously question; I know WWII was a huge economic boon for the US, but in the immediate aftermath of the war, before we had several years to stir the tanks, I imagine we were a little low on ready cash. War tends to be a drain, at least in the immediate short-term.

Logistics had to have been worse back then. No way could Ukraine already be as bad as a bombed-out, population-depleted Europe.

I agree with you that corruption is a formidable problem... but again, I would think that was a problem back then too.

Dunno, your thoughts? Or anyone else?
 
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