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(Ars Technica)   Not news: The NFL says if the TV Blackout rule is not renewed, NFL owners may go from barely scraping by to flat out broke in no time. Fark: NFL owners made $9B last year   (arstechnica.com ) divider line
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2014-08-09 04:41:41 PM  
and the worst part is guys who can't spell NFL wouldn't be able to make $2M/year.
 
2014-08-09 05:39:36 PM  
It's the least we can do for a Non-Profit entity like the NFL. They're not in it for the profit, but for the integrity of the game!! This is why we have to get rid of kickoffs and extend the regular season to 18-20 games. Not for the money, but for the integrity of the game!
 
2014-08-09 05:52:18 PM  
Not that I make it a point to defend billionaires, but still, how equitably was that $9 billion divided? If there are teams on the edge of fiscal insolvency while the rest are making money hand over fist there is still a case to be made for the blackout rules. Of course, any reasonably savvy person can beat the blackout with little effort, but that's not really the point.
 
2014-08-09 06:16:13 PM  
Meh. I have season tickets and it's been years since a Saints game was blacked out, anyway.
 
2014-08-09 06:21:07 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Not that I make it a point to defend billionaires, but still, how equitably was that $9 billion divided? If there are teams on the edge of fiscal insolvency while the rest are making money hand over fist there is still a case to be made for the blackout rules. Of course, any reasonably savvy person can beat the blackout with little effort, but that's not really the point.


Actually, the teams all share the TV revenue equally, IIRC. Licensing, too. The ticket revenue is split something like 60/40 between home and visitor.

The NFL is basically a communist organization that takes all money and redistributes it so all teams are equal. That's why community-owned Green Bay can compete while Jerruh Jones and Dan Snyder can't buy a championship.
 
2014-08-09 06:25:17 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Not that I make it a point to defend billionaires, but still, how equitably was that $9 billion divided? If there are teams on the edge of fiscal insolvency while the rest are making money hand over fist there is still a case to be made for the blackout rules. Of course, any reasonably savvy person can beat the blackout with little effort, but that's not really the point.


Free market will correct everything
 
2014-08-09 07:14:54 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: It's the least we can do for a Non-Profit entity like the NFL. They're not in it for the profit, but for the integrity of the game!! This is why we have to get rid of kickoffs and extend the regular season to 18-20 games. Not for the money, but for the integrity of the game!


The NFL is non-profit but it splits the revenue between the teams which are all for profit corporations so this is kind of a specious argument
 
2014-08-09 07:26:04 PM  
If a team's metro area kicked in a crap-ton of taxes to help build your stadium with all of the fancy luxury suites then all blackout rules should go away.
 
2014-08-09 07:27:29 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: HST's Dead Carcass: It's the least we can do for a Non-Profit entity like the NFL. They're not in it for the profit, but for the integrity of the game!! This is why we have to get rid of kickoffs and extend the regular season to 18-20 games. Not for the money, but for the integrity of the game!

The NFL is non-profit but it splits the revenue between the teams which are all for profit corporations so this is kind of a specious argument


They only give each team enough money to break even on their books, so the money never gets taxed. Any surplus stays with the non-proft NFL entity
 
2014-08-09 07:29:08 PM  
I'm waiting for the Sunday Ticket deal to expire. Wondering how much the NFL could bring in if it offered ala carte streaming and team-specific packages to fans directly.

They'd make more money than Directv pays them if they did it right.
 
2014-08-09 07:29:53 PM  
This rule screwed Detroit Lions fans for years (save the disparaging comments about the Lions and hear me out) - we had a shiny 80,000 seat stadium, the Silverdome, which sold out by Sunday.. but not by the Thursday 5pm deadline that was required by the blackout rule, and every station in southeast michigan would get blacked out from the game.

The rule never took into account the size of the stadium, so teams with smaller, 50~55,000 seat stadiums (the Lions always sold more than 60,000+ tickets by deadline) never got blacked out.

I'm glad they finally got out of the Silverdome, we haven't had any games blacked out since then, but the rule SUCKS. It should base the "sell out" on the average seating capacity, not on the local stadium size, as a cap on the required sales.

That said, the blackout rule is a good example of an organization that hates its fans. The NFL front office feels like they can just pout, take their ball and go home. It misses the point of professional sports entirely. Of course, so many other rules instituted by the league front offices reinforce this idea, too.
 
2014-08-09 07:31:11 PM  

xaks: I'm waiting for the Sunday Ticket deal to expire. Wondering how much the NFL could bring in if it offered ala carte streaming and team-specific packages to fans directly.

They'd make more money than Directv pays them if they did it right.


It will be interesting. Last time DTV way overpaid because thats pretty much the only thing keeping the company afloat
 
2014-08-09 07:54:30 PM  

Lost Thought 00: xaks: I'm waiting for the Sunday Ticket deal to expire. Wondering how much the NFL could bring in if it offered ala carte streaming and team-specific packages to fans directly.

They'd make more money than Directv pays them if they did it right.

It will be interesting. Last time DTV way overpaid because thats pretty much the only thing keeping the company afloat


Since at&t bought dtv I'm wondering what in the original contract between dtv and the nfl would stop Sunday ticket from being on uverse
 
2014-08-09 07:54:39 PM  

Lost Thought 00: xaks: I'm waiting for the Sunday Ticket deal to expire. Wondering how much the NFL could bring in if it offered ala carte streaming and team-specific packages to fans directly.

They'd make more money than Directv pays them if they did it right.

It will be interesting. Last time DTV way overpaid because thats pretty much the only thing keeping the company afloat


Hell, they're giving it away this season. Given that you call and activate it.
 
2014-08-09 08:02:06 PM  

CyberKultist: Lost Thought 00: xaks: I'm waiting for the Sunday Ticket deal to expire. Wondering how much the NFL could bring in if it offered ala carte streaming and team-specific packages to fans directly.

They'd make more money than Directv pays them if they did it right.

It will be interesting. Last time DTV way overpaid because thats pretty much the only thing keeping the company afloat

Hell, they're giving it away this season. Given that you call and activate it.


Say huh?
 
2014-08-09 08:17:47 PM  

xaks: CyberKultist: Lost Thought 00: xaks: I'm waiting for the Sunday Ticket deal to expire. Wondering how much the NFL could bring in if it offered ala carte streaming and team-specific packages to fans directly.

They'd make more money than Directv pays them if they did it right.

It will be interesting. Last time DTV way overpaid because thats pretty much the only thing keeping the company afloat

Hell, they're giving it away this season. Given that you call and activate it.

Say huh?


See at least 2 ads a day for it. "NFL Sunday ticket. FREE FOR 2014 SEASON!" Well, haven't had one come up today, but yup.
 
2014-08-09 08:21:59 PM  
But I assume you have to have an existing Directv account or somesuch?
 
2014-08-09 08:24:29 PM  

Wadded Beef: If a team's metro area kicked in a crap-ton of taxes to help build your stadium with all of the fancy luxury suites then all blackout rules should go away.


This, the most.
 
2014-08-09 08:27:03 PM  

xaks: But I assume you have to have an existing Directv account or somesuch?


I'd figure so, yeah. Haven't done it myself.
 
2014-08-09 08:31:56 PM  

grinding_journalist: Wadded Beef: If a team's metro area kicked in a crap-ton of taxes to help build your stadium with all of the fancy luxury suites then all blackout rules should go away.

This, the most.


Agreed 100%
 
2014-08-09 08:36:01 PM  

xaks: grinding_journalist: Wadded Beef: If a team's metro area kicked in a crap-ton of taxes to help build your stadium with all of the fancy luxury suites then all blackout rules should go away.

This, the most.

Agreed 100%


They should just go away, it's a bullshiat rule anyway. I wonder how many stadiums / teams received 0 public dollars, whether it be stadium $$ or tax breaks? I will guess 0.
 
2014-08-09 08:36:49 PM  
They are starting to break of directv monopoly on it anyway.

 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000365728/article/directv-to-o ffe r-nfl-sunday-ticket-streaming-options  (warning: autoplay video).
 
2014-08-09 08:50:43 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: They are starting to break of directv monopoly on it anyway.

 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000365728/article/directv-to-o ffe r-nfl-sunday-ticket-streaming-options  (warning: autoplay video).


I'm eligible (probably because I'm in an apartment with a no dish policy).  However their cheapest streaming package is $200.  No.  I can get NHL Gamecenter for $50 less and I get 66 more games.  It's too bad too, I bought Madden 25 JUST for the Sunday Ticket promo (literally returned the game the next day after activating the promo code).  Quality is good, and now-adays anything that's on national TV (not available for Sunday Ticket) is going to be streamed on that networks website, so you always have a streaming option.  But no way is it $200 for 16 games good.
 
2014-08-09 08:52:23 PM  
Yeah.  I don't see me paying $200 or more for NFL streaming.

Throw together a combo package for NFL, NCAAF and NCAAB for $200/year and I might bite...
 
2014-08-09 09:05:10 PM  
Instead of making billions and billions of dollars, the NFL is only making billions of dollars.
 
2014-08-09 09:15:34 PM  

mr_a: and the worst part is guys who can't spell NFL wouldn't be able to make $2M/year.


Why do you hate dyslexics?
 
2014-08-09 09:28:37 PM  
$200 might be the per person regular season attendance cost between a nosebleed ticket, parking, a few beers and some nachos, depending on the team.

Versus sitting at home with your own cold beer at $1/beer, a bathroom that doesn't have a trough in it, and you can see better.
 
2014-08-09 09:29:52 PM  
Anybody wanna watch pre-season foo ball with me?
It's Browns-Lions, so we know who loses. Audience.

Johnny Hype is on the field.
 
2014-08-09 09:31:04 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: $200 might be the per person regular season attendance cost between a nosebleed ticket, parking, a few beers and some nachos, depending on the team.

Versus sitting at home with your own cold beer at $1/beer, a bathroom that doesn't have a trough in it, and you can see better.


Yup. Also, don't forget to factor in the TIME you waste before and after the game with getting in and out, waiting in line, the security, traffic congestion, etc etc

At this point, unless you're talking about one of the iconic stadia (Lambeau, Arrowhead, what have you) I could only justify one or two games a year regardless of the cost
 
2014-08-09 09:33:03 PM  

bionicjoe: Anybody wanna watch pre-season foo ball with me?
It's Browns-Lions, so we know who loses. Audience.

Johnny Hype is on the field.


I'm watching the Packers-Tits myself. Monsoon "Get the ARK" rain for most of it so far, full clownshoes fumbleroos and missed tackles and dropped passes galore on both teams.

GB up 7-6 at the half, and the Tits lost a lineman to an ankle already, carted in to the locker room.
 
2014-08-09 09:44:40 PM  

bionicjoe: Anybody wanna watch pre-season foo ball with me?
It's Browns-Lions, so we know who loses. Audience.

Johnny Hype is on the field.


Just switched it off, tbh. The constant JF talk was getting old, and it seems like the Texans are already in full suck mode. Had good hopes for that one after Watt started the game with a sack too...
 
2014-08-09 09:46:02 PM  

bionicjoe: Anybody wanna watch pre-season foo ball with me?
It's Browns-Lions, so we know who loses. Audience.

Johnny Hype is on the field.


I've been watching the stream, but it's the Browns home broadcast.  They were slobbering Johnny's knob from before he was even on the field.  It's amazing how delusional homers can be.
 
2014-08-09 09:56:12 PM  
Well, to be fair, the Browns have been a sub-par team for quite some time. I can't blame them for hype/hope on a QB pick.

Yes, his is overblown, but this is the Browns we're talking about
 
2014-08-09 09:57:06 PM  

xaks: Well, to be fair, the Browns have been a sub-par team for quite some time. I can't blame them for hype/hope on a QB pick.

Yes, his is overblown, but this is the Browns we're talking about


Even when the Lions got Stafford, I don't think Detroit fans or commentators were that delusional though.
 
2014-08-09 10:03:04 PM  
Dude.

CLEVELAND.

Those poor fans have earned some slack, IMHO.

www.rantsports.com
 
2014-08-09 10:07:11 PM  

xaks: Dude.

CLEVELAND.

Those poor fans have earned some slack, IMHO.

[www.rantsports.com image 640x360]


You didn't post the newest one...

dailysnark.com
 
2014-08-09 10:12:13 PM  
Well, TECHNICALLY Hoyer is still the starter, so....

*technically correct is best correct!
 
2014-08-10 12:30:37 AM  

xaks: TheGreatGazoo: $200 might be the per person regular season attendance cost between a nosebleed ticket, parking, a few beers and some nachos, depending on the team.

Versus sitting at home with your own cold beer at $1/beer, a bathroom that doesn't have a trough in it, and you can see better.

Yup. Also, don't forget to factor in the TIME you waste before and after the game with getting in and out, waiting in line, the security, traffic congestion, etc etc

At this point, unless you're talking about one of the iconic stadia (Lambeau, Arrowhead, what have you) I could only justify one or two games a year regardless of the cost


Some of us just like being at a stadium though. And I know, I've made a point of going to games in Regina in November.
 
2014-08-10 05:39:07 AM  
Yeahhhh.  About that.  I'm going to need you to run some numbers for me.   5000 tickets and 5000 ten dollar beers and 2500 parking spots.... vs   twenty 30 second ads at $100,000 a piece.

/yes pulling those numbers out of my ass.
 
2014-08-10 08:49:43 AM  

xaks: TheGreatGazoo: $200 might be the per person regular season attendance cost between a nosebleed ticket, parking, a few beers and some nachos, depending on the team.

Versus sitting at home with your own cold beer at $1/beer, a bathroom that doesn't have a trough in it, and you can see better.

Yup. Also, don't forget to factor in the TIME you waste before and after the game with getting in and out, waiting in line, the security, traffic congestion, etc etc

At this point, unless you're talking about one of the iconic stadia (Lambeau, Arrowhead, what have you) I could only justify one or two games a year regardless of the cost


I went to a CFL game last night ... the Stampeders hosted Ottawa.  It was a beautiful summer evening, I parked for $10 at the nearby university, I paid $38 for my "nosebleed" seat that had a fine view of the whole field (there really isn't a bad seat in the house in a 36,000 seat stadium).  A bratwurst and beer was $14.  The Stamps won handily.

Yeah, the CFL is a minor league, yeah the game didn't have the big-time atmosphere NFL games have ... but man what a great August evening.  I'm not a baseball fan, but if I was I think I would enjoy attending AAA games more than MLB ones.
 
2014-08-10 09:06:14 AM  
So, if I read what the NFL is saying, they are basically claiming they are a public utility....
 
2014-08-10 09:31:47 AM  

xaks: I'm waiting for the Sunday Ticket deal to expire. Wondering how much the NFL could bring in if it offered ala carte streaming and team-specific packages to fans directly.

They'd make more money than Directv pays them if they did it right.



how about fark NO.

stream quality is pure shiat already, imagine with everyone on the block doing it .

I'll stick with high quality video/audio thanks.
 
2014-08-10 11:00:27 AM  

zippolight2002: bionicjoe: Anybody wanna watch pre-season foo ball with me?
It's Browns-Lions, so we know who loses. Audience.

Johnny Hype is on the field.

I've been watching the stream, but it's the Browns home broadcast.  They were slobbering Johnny's knob from before he was even on the field.  It's amazing how delusional homers can be.


I feel the exact same way about the gentlemen on the MSG Network.
 
2014-08-10 12:58:25 PM  
So you say you needed the blackout rule but you still charge exorbitant ST prices?  Yeah, fark you NFL.  Drop the blackout rule.
 
2014-08-10 04:33:04 PM  
What's amazing to me is that prior to the blackout rule being adopted in 1972, all home games were blacked out. FFS, the black out rule was actually an improvement. The problem is that it is now a 40+ year old rule that doesn't reflect the insane TV revenue that the NFL receives.
 
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