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(Fox News)   The fight for Religious Freedom™ just ain't what it used to be   (foxnews.com) divider line 105
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2014-08-09 03:07:43 PM  
Fox News never mentioned who authored the SCOTUS opinion that is the crux of the change from the "liberal" origins of  Wisconsin v Yoderto one that focused on generally applicable laws of non discriminatory intent in Employment Division v Smithand the political and jurisprudential orientation of that author- the ultra conservative Justice Antonin Scalia's "textualism" which is the latest renaming of the "original intent" jurisprudence championed by several current Fox News legal pundits.  One might conclude that Fox News is revising history here.
 
2014-08-09 04:49:59 PM  
You might say its become... a rearguard action
 
2014-08-09 05:34:02 PM  
 It is common now for conservative pastors to vow they would go to jail rather than comply with a law they consider contrary to their beliefs

Can someone point me to a law/bill that threatens jail time for not officiating at a Gay Wedding?
 
2014-08-09 05:34:18 PM  
"We've gone from a moment a quarter century ago where it's small religious minorities who want to do their thing in private to very large religious minorities - Catholics and evangelicals and Mormons - who feel they're being oppressed by a hostile society,"

The manner in which you run your public accommodation business is not a private matter.  If you want it to be a private matter, switch to being a private club and charge members monthly dues to use your services.

It is common now for conservative pastors to vow they would go to jail rather than comply with a law they consider contrary to their beliefs.

When have conservative pastors been pressured to comply with anything?  No one has asked that churches be forced to perform gay marriages.  The only church that I know of that has been affected only got in trouble because it had property on a boardwalk that was tax-exempt because it was supposedly open to the entire public but they refused to allows gays to use it.  Or maybe the author is talking about the IRS not getting involved is some preacher gets on his high horse and starts a sermon on who to vote for.  Either way, it's a real simple response - you do not have a religious right to not pay taxes.

Also a real simple concept: if your religion requires you to be an asshole to people, then you need to find a better God.
 
2014-08-09 05:38:43 PM  

spongeboob: It is common now for conservative pastors to vow they would go to jail rather than comply with a law they consider contrary to their beliefs

Can someone point me to a law/bill that threatens jail time for not officiating at a Gay Wedding?


FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW:

That's all you need to know.
 
2014-08-09 05:42:08 PM  

spongeboob: It is common now for conservative pastors to vow they would go to jail rather than comply with a law they consider contrary to their beliefs

Can someone point me to a law/bill that threatens jail time for not officiating at a Gay Wedding?


Or perhaps where Jesus said gays were bad? It's been a long time since I read the bible, but I thought all the Gays R Bad stuff was in the Old Testament and the New Testament makes all that stuff obsolete.
 
2014-08-09 06:01:18 PM  
"Back then, the Catholic Church wasn't very often in the position of needing exemptions."

They still aren't.
 
2014-08-09 06:06:58 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: spongeboob: It is common now for conservative pastors to vow they would go to jail rather than comply with a law they consider contrary to their beliefs

Can someone point me to a law/bill that threatens jail time for not officiating at a Gay Wedding?

Or perhaps where Jesus said gays were bad? It's been a long time since I read the bible, but I thought all the Gays R Bad stuff was in the Old Testament and the New Testament makes all that stuff obsolete.


willfully ignorant ... what do you expect from blind obedience to a fantasy?
seriously
magic sky captain, eternal afterlife, gays going to hell, being force to marry gay people in your church
yup, these all are logically and factually the same

/SMDH
 
2014-08-09 06:17:13 PM  
In Iraq, Christian shrines are being blown up and Christians are being executed if they refuse to convert.
In China, the government is continuing long-standing policies to suppress the Christian faith.
In America, corporations are being forced to allow someone else to pay for birth control.

The fight for religious freedom marches on...
 
2014-08-09 06:19:07 PM  

Mentat: In Iraq, Christian shrines are being blown up and Christians are being executed if they refuse to convert.
In China, the government is continuing long-standing policies to suppress the Christian faith.
In America, corporations are being forced to allow someone else to pay for birth control.

The fight for religious freedom marches on...


nebula.wsimg.com
 
2014-08-09 06:31:21 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: spongeboob: It is common now for conservative pastors to vow they would go to jail rather than comply with a law they consider contrary to their beliefs

Can someone point me to a law/bill that threatens jail time for not officiating at a Gay Wedding?

Or perhaps where Jesus said gays were bad? It's been a long time since I read the bible, but I thought all the Gays R Bad stuff was in the Old Testament and the New Testament makes all that stuff obsolete.


Jesus never said homosexuality was bad. Moses and Paul did. However, as they were mortal and not of the Holy Trinity, they could have been mistaken.

Unless you take everything in the Bible literally.

Then you believe in slavery, shellfish are abominations, etc.
 
2014-08-09 06:37:39 PM  
Marine Todd can only deliver so many roundhouse kicks, dammit!
 
2014-08-09 07:07:40 PM  
FTFA: Comments are currently closed for this article

Thank you Fox News.
Thank you so very much.
 
2014-08-09 07:09:17 PM  
Truly there are no pressing issues today that could trump this.

I accept the deep deep concern expressed here.
 
2014-08-09 07:10:53 PM  

clancifer: spongeboob: It is common now for conservative pastors to vow they would go to jail rather than comply with a law they consider contrary to their beliefs

Can someone point me to a law/bill that threatens jail time for not officiating at a Gay Wedding?

FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW:

That's all you need to know.


That's some nice spin there Lou...
 
2014-08-09 07:10:53 PM  
The reason that the fight over religious exemptions has been transformed is because of a bill passed by Congress called the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. One thing people ignore about the Hobby Lobby ruling is that it was based in a statute and not in the Constitution.  RFRA was supported by both parties by large majorities. I think the Democrats are beginning to regret that now.
 
2014-08-09 07:12:43 PM  
oblig

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2014-08-09 07:13:59 PM  

neongoats: oblig

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Go back to watching cartoons.
 
2014-08-09 07:16:01 PM  
Not what it used to be?  Well, lynchings are down some.
 
2014-08-09 07:16:06 PM  

spongeboob: It is common now for conservative pastors to vow they would go to jail rather than comply with a law they consider contrary to their beliefs

Can someone point me to a law/bill that threatens jail time for not officiating at a Gay Wedding?


There isn't one but that won't stop them from feeling oppressed.
 
2014-08-09 07:18:42 PM  

SBinRR: FTFA: Comments are currently closed for this article

Thank you Fox News.
Thank you so very much.


They're being oppressed!
 
2014-08-09 07:19:25 PM  
The police still harass peyote gatherers.
 
2014-08-09 07:20:42 PM  

The_Forensicator: neongoats: oblig

[zackfordblogs.com image 350x262]

Go back to watching cartoons.


Sorry a ubiquitous pie chart pretty much crushes the Fox article "help we're being oppressed" theme.

Hint: not letting holly rollers systematically discriminate and oppress people they hate isn't "taking away religious freedom"
 
2014-08-09 07:29:01 PM  
Religious freedom is an oxymoron.
 
2014-08-09 07:34:04 PM  

The_Forensicator: clancifer: spongeboob: It is common now for conservative pastors to vow they would go to jail rather than comply with a law they consider contrary to their beliefs

Can someone point me to a law/bill that threatens jail time for not officiating at a Gay Wedding?

FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW:

That's all you need to know.

That's some nice spin there Lou...


I suppose you can point out a single example of a law which required a preacher to violate his beliefs or go to jail?
 
2014-08-09 07:41:12 PM  
"We know that conservatives will continue to market their prejudices under the guise of religious freedom," said the Rev. Nancy Wilson, head of the Metropolitan Community Churches, a denomination formed as a refuge for gay Christians.

Damned conservative Christians are just plain heartless.

Freedom of religion includes freedom from religion or it's no kind of freedom at all.
 
2014-08-09 07:42:05 PM  

The_Forensicator: neongoats: oblig

[zackfordblogs.com image 350x262]

Go back to watching cartoons.


Cartoons generally make more sense than Christianity.
 
2014-08-09 07:44:35 PM  

The_Forensicator: clancifer: spongeboob: It is common now for conservative pastors to vow they would go to jail rather than comply with a law they consider contrary to their beliefs

Can someone point me to a law/bill that threatens jail time for not officiating at a Gay Wedding?

FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW:

That's all you need to know.

That's some nice spin there Lou...


So which law was that again? Oh, wait, there is no law at all.
 
2014-08-09 07:46:22 PM  

The_Forensicator: neongoats: oblig

[zackfordblogs.com image 350x262]

Go back to watching cartoons.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-08-09 07:50:21 PM  

The_Forensicator: neongoats: oblig

[zackfordblogs.com image 350x262]

Go back to watching cartoons.


Yeah, go back to cartoons kid.  We're talking big boy stuff here ...  all powerful sky wizards
 
2014-08-09 07:51:44 PM  

spongeboob: It is common now for conservative pastors to vow they would go to jail rather than comply with a law they consider contrary to their beliefs

Can someone point me to a law/bill that threatens jail time for not officiating at a Gay Wedding?


I think it's a rider attached to the bill that builds a UN super highway between Mexico and Canada.
 
2014-08-09 07:53:10 PM  

Mentat: In America, corporations are being forced to allow someone else to pay for birth control.


It's called insurance, maybe you have heard of the concept?
 
2014-08-09 07:54:20 PM  

neongoats: oblig

[zackfordblogs.com image 350x262]


Pac-Man is oppressed?

cdn.motinetwork.net
 
2014-08-09 08:00:29 PM  

quatchi: The_Forensicator: neongoats: oblig

[zackfordblogs.com image 350x262]

Go back to watching cartoons.

Cartoons generally make more sense than Christianity.


img.fark.net
 
2014-08-09 08:06:49 PM  
sorry for the mspaint cropping fail.  netbook screen size hid the extra space
 
2014-08-09 08:08:39 PM  

quatchi: The_Forensicator: neongoats: oblig

[zackfordblogs.com image 350x262]

Go back to watching cartoons.

Cartoons generally make more sense than Christianity.


www.givinguponperfect.com
 
2014-08-09 08:09:05 PM  

Karac: I suppose you can point out a single example of a law which required a preacher to violate his beliefs or go to jail?


It depends on how twisted your sense of religion you have.   You can go to jail for stoning adulterers.   You can be put in jail for contempt for failing to obey many other laws.
 
2014-08-09 08:23:40 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: You might say its become... a rearguard action


Get your mind off my ass o_o
 
2014-08-09 08:25:38 PM  
stan unusual: Fox News never mentioned who authored the SCOTUS opinion that is the crux of the change from the "liberal" origins of  Wisconsin v Yoderto one that focused on generally applicable laws of non discriminatory intent in Employment Division v Smithand the political and jurisprudential orientation of that author- the ultra conservative Justice Antonin Scalia's "textualism" which is the latest renaming of the "original intent" jurisprudence championed by several current Fox News legal pundits.  One might conclude that Fox News is revising history here.

Or one might note that this analysis was written by the Associated Press, not Fox.
 
2014-08-09 08:40:04 PM  

AirForceVet: HST's Dead Carcass: spongeboob: It is common now for conservative pastors to vow they would go to jail rather than comply with a law they consider contrary to their beliefs

Can someone point me to a law/bill that threatens jail time for not officiating at a Gay Wedding?

Or perhaps where Jesus said gays were bad? It's been a long time since I read the bible, but I thought all the Gays R Bad stuff was in the Old Testament and the New Testament makes all that stuff obsolete.

Jesus never said homosexuality was bad. Moses and Paul did. However, as they were mortal and not of the Holy Trinity, they could have been mistaken.

Unless you take everything in the Bible literally.

Then you believe in slavery, shellfish are abominations, etc.


I believe at the time Jesus was kicking around, male homosexuality wasn't that big of a deal, unless you were on the bottom. Romans didn't issue disgust at the openly gay emporer who displayed his boy toy, they were disgusted that he referred to himself as the boys queen and dressed in a lady like fashion. It's not surprising that Jesus never made mention of it.
 
2014-08-09 08:53:08 PM  

fusillade762: quatchi: The_Forensicator: neongoats: oblig

[zackfordblogs.com image 350x262]

Go back to watching cartoons.

Cartoons generally make more sense than Christianity.

[www.givinguponperfect.com image 555x262]


Drawn Together Veggies Tales is Best Veggie Tale!

img1.wikia.nocookie.net

/I seriously love that episode.
 
2014-08-09 08:53:53 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: sorry for the mspaint cropping fail.  netbook screen size hid the extra space


Why does Jesus look like he's tripping balls?
 
2014-08-09 08:55:40 PM  

Zeppelininthesky: The_Forensicator: clancifer: spongeboob: It is common now for conservative pastors to vow they would go to jail rather than comply with a law they consider contrary to their beliefs

Can someone point me to a law/bill that threatens jail time for not officiating at a Gay Wedding?

FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW:

That's all you need to know.

That's some nice spin there Lou...

So which law was that again? Oh, wait, there is no law at all.


But if there WAS, then they totally WOULD, so then they'd be oppressed, and it would be just like the Romans and the Christians all over again, see?
 
2014-08-09 09:03:50 PM  

Pincy: Mentat: In America, corporations are being forced to allow someone else to pay for birth control.

It's called insurance, maybe you have heard of the concept?


i1282.photobucket.com
 
2014-08-09 09:17:20 PM  

quatchi: fusillade762: quatchi: The_Forensicator: neongoats: oblig

[zackfordblogs.com image 350x262]

Go back to watching cartoons.

Cartoons generally make more sense than Christianity.

[www.givinguponperfect.com image 555x262]

Drawn Together Veggies Tales is Best Veggie Tale!



/I seriously love that episode.


The show was funny. The Drawn Together movie sucked balls
 
2014-08-09 09:17:46 PM  
Comments are currentlyclosed for this article


No shiat.
 
2014-08-09 09:18:30 PM  

Mentat: In Iraq, Christian shrines are being blown up and Christians are being executed if they refuse to convert.
In China, the government is continuing long-standing policies to suppress the Christian faith.
In America, corporations are being forced to allow someone else to pay for birth control.

The fight for religious freedom marches on...


Freedom to be like you? That's a stupid freedom.
 
2014-08-09 09:26:13 PM  

The_Forensicator: Truly there are no pressing issues today that could trump this. I accept the deep deep concern expressed here.

The_Forensicator:  That's some nice spin there Lou...

The_Forensicator: Go back to watching cartoons.


Talking without speaking isn't so great a virtue as you seem to imagine.
 
2014-08-09 09:35:34 PM  

worlddan: The reason that the fight over religious exemptions has been transformed is because of a bill passed by Congress called the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. One thing people ignore about the Hobby Lobby ruling is that it was based in a statute and not in the Constitution.  RFRA was supported by both parties by large majorities. I think the Democrats are beginning to regret that now.


You're right - the Democrats should have predicted that SCOTUS would radically misconstrue the legislative text.
 
2014-08-09 09:39:48 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: MaudlinMutantMollusk: You might say its become... a rearguard action

Get your mind off my ass o_o


Butt...butt... dat ass
 
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